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YingYeung
06/27/2007 08:43 PM (UTC)
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QueenSindel(TheBitch) Wrote:
Chrome, First of all, I said... "What about the Kitana we see outside of the bios?" And second of all, you always disagree with me no matter what the subject is, so... yeah. Enough.

YingYeung, I can respect your opinions, but I bet Sindel is not the most to-be-feared female. Why do you think she is?


Her scream can decapitate you.
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mkflegend
06/27/2007 09:14 PM (UTC)
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Nitara after learning more about her is also one of the strongest IMO right now, not saying she's the most but definitely up there.
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XiahouDun84
06/27/2007 09:43 PM (UTC)
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QueenSindel(TheBitch) Wrote:
XiahouDun84 Wrote:
It's really no more of an assumption than your insistance that Kitana is fragile and delicate because of how (you think)she looks in certain pictures.

It's not really an assumtion. Tons of people see Kitana the way I do: an archetypical princess of flowery beauty. I'm not the only one that has agreed with this, so don't single me out. She's had millions of chances to prove herself as a strong woman from the movies, to the cartoon, to the MK4 endings, MKSM, and MKD Konquest and 90% of the time her personality is always the same thing... soft and flowery. Yeah, she can fight, but her personality is always the same antiquated, weak, boring thing, and you never admit it cuz you care only about her leadership skills and MK2 history. What about the Kitana we see outside of the bios!!?

And tons of people don't see Kitana as "flowery." Tons of people base their views of Kitana on what's presented to us in the games...a strong, hardened warrior.

How in the hell is she "soft" and "flowery" in her/Mileena's MK4 Gold endings...in which she's yelling and screaming at Mileena? How is she "soft" and "flowery" in Kung Lao's ending...in which she's asserting herself as a leader with Goro and the Shokan? In Konquest...let me ask, how did Kitana act any different than how Jade and Sindel acted when you ran into them? And Shaolin Monks...there was a lot wrong with how Kitana was in MK:SM...but acting "flowery" wasn't one of them. Let me ask...do you understand what was wrong with Kitana in MK:SM...or did you skim through one of my posts complaining about it and assume I meant she was portrayed as too "flowery?"

If you think Kitana is a "typical flowery princess" based on MK4, Konquest, and MK:SM...then your definition of what makes a character "flowery" is either extremely selective or very broad.

The problem you and anyone else who accuses Kitana of being soft is that you can't let go of her lackluster portrayal in the movies and cartoons. And that's fucking stupid because the movies and wrong and fucked up a lot of characters from Jade to Ermac to Ermac to Shao Kahn and so on. The movies flat out ignored crucial parts of Kitana's backstory...so of course she isn't going to be portrayed accurately.
Kitana in the movies =/= Kitana in the games. And Kitana in the games is the one that matters.

"What about Kitana outside the bios?"
Do you not understand the concept of characterization? The bios are and always have been our primary source for info on the characters and their personalities. YOU might look at a picture of Kitana and think she doesn't look as tough as someone else...but if the information describing who and what Kitana is says she's a hardened warrior, then that's what she is.
This would be like if I showed you a picture of Kevin from Sin City, then explained he was a psychopathic cannibal...then you saying I'm wrong because he doesn't look like one.

How in the hell does that make any sense? Have you never heard the cliche "looks are deceiving?" Sindel looks evil and insane...does that mean she is? Rain looks honorable and heroic...he isn't. Bo' Rai Cho looks like a flat slob...yet he is a martial arts master.

The few times we've had cinema scenes haven't showed Kitana to be any weaker or softer than any other character. The only time I can kind of see Kitana as acting too nice is in Liu Kang's MK4 ending. That's it. You just refuse to see past the word "princess." Either that, or you can't accept subtletly.

And you accuse me of being bias and in denial?
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QueenSindel(TheBitch)
06/29/2007 12:40 AM (UTC)
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XiahouDun84 Wrote:
The problem you and anyone else who accuses Kitana of being soft is that you can't let go of her lackluster portrayal in the movies and cartoons.

Why the movies, toons, Konquest, etc. are important is because we actually get to see the characters' personality. We see it. We can hear them, watch their gestures, etc. It shows us their demeanor. And like I said, her demeanor is the same little thing most of the time. When she's not fighting, she's being a flower. Most of her depictions attest to that.

This would be like if I showed you a picture of Kevin from Sin City, then explained he was a psychopathic cannibal...then you saying I'm wrong because he doesn't look like one.

I see what you mean, but I guess I just don't fall for a few paragraphs of text very easily. Kevin, I can see in the movie, but Kitana's attitude, since her "personality" comes mostly from those paragraphs we call bios/endings, has to be mostly imagined when we don't see it played out before our eyes.

You really think you know characters like Fujin, Jade, and Nitara? We've only scratched the surface. In the bios, Kitana is a strong warrior, but why does Midway depict her as soft-spoken and damsel-ish most of the time through actresses and pictures? Maybe because the creators have established that demeanor for her! It's no assumption.

You just refuse to see past the word "princess."

You know what other title is weak and soft besides princess? ...Schoolgirl, yet Gogo Yubari is a bad-ass fighter with a killer attitude who's a whole lot more transcendent than Kitana, who exacerbates the jokeness of the "princess" title by having the attitude typical of one.

And you accuse me of being bias and in denial?

Did I ever stop?
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sheeva_man702
07/01/2007 06:42 AM (UTC)
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strongest overall-----SHEEVA (duh)

2.nitara (vampire, duh!)
3.sonya
4.kira
5.khameleon
6.jade
7.kitana
8.mileena
9.frost
10.sindel
11.tanya
12.ashrah
13.sareena
14.li mei
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07/01/2007 07:57 AM (UTC)
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QueenSindel(TheBitch) Wrote:
Chrome, First of all, I said... "What about the Kitana we see outside of the bios?" And second of all, you always disagree with me no matter what the subject is, so... yeah. Enough.
Fresh out of reasonable opposing reasons?
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annilation
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I feel so alone, gonna end up a Big ole pile of them bones.

08/20/2007 07:44 PM (UTC)
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tanya because of her mkd ending
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normthedude
08/22/2007 06:33 PM (UTC)
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1 SONYA BLADE
2 KITANA
3 JADE
4 MILLENA
5 SINDEL
6 SHEEVA
7 TANYA
8 LEI MEI
9 KIRA
10 ASHRAH
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08/22/2007 09:24 PM (UTC)
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Asking which woman is the "strongest" is a very vague question that can be answered in many different ways.

If you're talking pure muscle and force then it'll have to be Sheeva. Shokans are already regarded as creatures of brute force, and I doubt very much that there is much of a difference between the males and the females. One punch of Sheeva's could equal that of five MK girls put together. That's not to say she can't be defeated by another female: the other female would just have to be incredibly quick and intelligent to escape Sheeva's devastating attacks and land her own.

Most Savage in their fighting would go to Mileena. Being the monstrous female that she is, I would think she'd be most "wild" in her fighting than her sister Kitana. Maybe it's just me, but I can't picture someone like Mileena being overly calculating or "sneaky" in battle. I think she'd go right in for the kill, Sais going everywhere.

Agility and Swiftness would have to go to Kitana and Jade. Assassins for Khan for the longest time. They would have to have been very successful in their craft for Khan to keep them for so long. We all know how self-serving the emperor is, and he wouldn't have put up with them if they weren't some damn good assassins. And of course, to truly be a flawless assassin, one needs to use strategy and agility in battle.

In terms of persistance, long endurance, pure toughness, it's Sonya hands-down. She was able to her own in the tournament as the only Earth female (and most likely only female, period). Not only that, but Sonya has tracked down every living member of the Black Dragon, and still stands. This shows how strong her will is, how she will never surrender or give up on her goals, and how unafraid she is to jump right into battle, regardless of whether or not the odds are against her. One of the most admirable MK fighters, and probably the most admirable female of MK.

The female who most utilizes cunning to defeat her foes would fall between Nitara and Tanya.I would consider Frost as well, but 1) she never DID attain her goal (or at least couldn't foresee the dangers of doing so) and 2) She wasn't able to fool Sonya, no matter how good of an actress she was (and also was willing to fight her even though it could blow her cover). Both Nitara and Tanya fooled others so that their battles, in the end, would be either unecessary or that much easier.

Strongest in terms of special powers/abilities would be Sindel. I think she's the female who has been most endowed with abilities that the other girls just don't have. From her Banshee Scream, to her ability to fly, to her profound knowledge shown in MK: D, she's got the most going for her in terms of the extraordinary.

Most strategizing/slick in an actual fight... hmm, I think there could be quite a few candidates for this aspect of "strongest" female, but I think Sonya also takes this one just because I instantly think of her fight with Kano. She had actually feigned defeat in order to lure him in, only to Leg-Grab him from the top of the skyscraper and send him crashing down. Sonya played Kano's overconfidence to end the battle, which gives her the title of trickiest bitch in MK, lol.

Ashrah takes the cake for most spiritually-strong. She relies heavily on her spirituality, trying endlessly to purify herself of her sinful origins through the process of slaying tainted souls. I just get that "light" vibe from both her character and her storyline.

I think these are the "top" females, even though I probably named almost everyone of them grin.
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Corndog125nalald
08/26/2007 03:51 PM (UTC)
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Well let me see, I really think Sonya could beat Kitana, but I’m not shore if she could beat Sheeva. I’m shore she could beat Frost, Ashera, le mei, and many of the other girls. But I think one of the freaks would have to win this one.

So if it comes down to Nitara and Sheeva. . . I think Sheeva would most likely win
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08/26/2007 10:37 PM (UTC)
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Strongest physically? It should be Sheeva, who is more bombastically powerful and intimidating than a furious four-armed shokan?
Gameplay-wise, IMO it's Sindel, especially in MK3. Booy, I can beat the holly macarony-shit out of everyone in the row just using her motherfucking scream plus combo ! Yeah, it's a bit cheap, but if the character already has the powers, why not use them to their best potential !grin
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queve
08/27/2007 02:24 PM (UTC)
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Well said Leo!!!

You know, Sonya is a lot stronguer then some people think. wink
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09/01/2007 02:38 AM (UTC)
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1) Kira! She is one of the strongest women in MK history. grin
2) Li Mei
3) Jade
4) Mileena
5) Nitara
6) Frost
7) Sareena
8) Sonya
9) Kitana
10) Sindel
11) Khameleon
12) Ashrah
13) Sheeva
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Femme-Fatale
09/04/2007 06:47 AM (UTC)
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Although Kitana is my favorite character. I really believe Jade can actually defeat Kitana in battle. People keep mentioning that kitana was an assassin for thousands of years but you have to remember, so was Jade and Mileena.
Sheeva because she's a shokanor what ever u call kintaro or goro
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