Demo Impressions?
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03/18/2011 08:22 AM EDT
Damn... and people think Scorpion's rapid mid-combo teleporting needs patched. LOL. At least that made sense and is (somewhat) difficult to pull off consistently. This is just unavoidably easy.
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03/19/2011 01:12 PM EDT
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On Cage, has anyone seen this supposed infinite string? I haven't played the demo, but I'm wondering if someone can give insight on this.

Cage Infinite String?


Nothing much to say; the jab string keeps the opponent in blockstun indefinitely. If they don't block, then they will get infinite. If you do it correctly, only a breaker can get out of it. I'm okay with with infinites being in fighting games, but some types are just unacceptable and this is one of them. Thank god, the demo is just an earlier version.


A breaker cannot break that. They don't function the same way they did in DCU, You have to be in what the game considers a combo to use a breaker, the game does not recognize this as a combo.

Lets just pray Check and the tourney boys caught this and it didn't make it into the final build.


I thought that it could. Meh, whatevers, it's still stupid regardless and definitely needs to be remove.
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03/19/2011 01:44 PM EDT
Scorpion's X-Ray suffers from Sindel MKD Throw Syndrome. If it lands, you can get a free hit on Scorpion. The move is actually punishable even if it hits!

Cage's Shadow Kick and Sub's Slide can get him. I haven't tried out Mileena but I think her Roll can get him too.
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03/19/2011 05:51 PM EDT
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Scorpion's X-Ray suffers from Sindel MKD Throw Syndrome. If it lands, you can get a free hit on Scorpion. The move is actually punishable even if it hits!

Cage's Shadow Kick and Sub's Slide can get him. I haven't tried out Mileena but I think her Roll can get him too.


Interesting--I hadn't noticed/tested that. Well that's what I'm going to do now...thanks for the info.
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03/20/2011 01:51 AM EDT
I find Cage to be the best in the demo. He has a fast jab, nice low pokes, and a nice projectile to catch jumpers. I find his flipkick is great for closing distance cuz that's where Cage can go to work because it has a high recovery time I find as soon as the flipkick lands i can near-instantly block.


The demo feels awesome and I'm definitely picking it up when it comes out. It gets pretty awkward when you have those moments where the pace slows down for both you guys to just block each others' attacks but once it picks up...It's pretty high paced
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03/20/2011 02:06 AM EDT
My demo tier list:

1. Scorp
2. Cage
3. Subby
4. Mileena

though it could be:

1. Cage
2. Scorp
3. Mileena
4. Subby

I don't know. The first two tiers are interchangeable and the last two tiers are as well. At least that is how I feel.


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03/20/2011 03:15 AM EDT
Desk got his hands on the demo and didn't break it! That's incredible considering he's already making ground breaking infinites in MvC3. Besides Cage's inexcusable BP of Doom the game seems to work.

Just fix how the bar fills up and the random damage scaling and we've got one bona fide fighter here
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03/20/2011 07:43 AM EDT
blackl0tus Wrote:
My demo tier list:

1. Scorp
2. Cage
3. Subby
4. Mileena



For me it's:

1. Johnny Cage (fast as hell, massive damage dealing X-ray)
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2/3. Sub-Zero (normal ground freeze almost useless)
2/3. Scorpion (I find his X-ray the easiest to block, easy to punish his blocked teleport)
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4. Mileena (easy to punish when her roll and teleport get blocked, neck bite does little damage unless it is followed by b+2 which is a very slow move)


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Has anyone else experienced any glitches with the X-rays?

I encountered 2 so far:

1- Mileena's X-ray connected a few times even though I totally missed the opponent and ended up behind them)

2- Sub-Zero's X-ray totally misses if it is executed when standing close to the frozen opponent


Also, I don't think it is a glitch, but Scorpion's X-ray looks kinda stupid when it catches a jumping opponent.

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03/20/2011 08:51 AM EDT
Wait you can hit Scorpion out of his X-ray even AFTER it connects? LOL I've never seen that or had that happen yet! I'm sure my brother would have punched me out of it if he could have with how he was hitting those buttons out of frustration because I kept catching him with it! Must see this!! lol. Confirm or deconfirm... lol
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03/20/2011 12:47 PM EDT
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Wait you can hit Scorpion out of his X-ray even AFTER it connects? LOL I've never seen that or had that happen yet! I'm sure my brother would have punched me out of it if he could have with how he was hitting those buttons out of frustration because I kept catching him with it!

Must see this!! lol. Confirm or deconfirm... lol


Yeah it's ridiculous. After the move lands and Scorpion stomps the fuck out of your chest he'll stand still for a couple of frames allowing you to get in a charging move. My brother was holding block the entire time to show me he couldn't do anything to stop me from punishing Scorp after he landed a friggin X-Ray! Thats inexcusable.

Also what are everyone's thoughts on Mileena? Has anyone played around with her at all?
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03/20/2011 01:14 PM EDT
And is it me or does mileena's x-ray have priority over everything? I was playing an expert ladder as Cage against Mileena and I hit her with a shadow kick just as she used her X-Ray and even though it looked as if i should've hit first, she hits first.
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03/21/2011 03:09 AM EDT
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Wait you can hit Scorpion out of his X-ray even AFTER it connects? LOL I've never seen that or had that happen yet! I'm sure my brother would have punched me out of it if he could have with how he was hitting those buttons out of frustration because I kept catching him with it!

Must see this!! lol. Confirm or deconfirm... lol


Yeah it's ridiculous. After the move lands and Scorpion stomps the fuck out of your chest he'll stand still for a couple of frames allowing you to get in a charging move. My brother was holding block the entire time to show me he couldn't do anything to stop me from punishing Scorp after he landed a friggin X-Ray! Thats inexcusable.

Also what are everyone's thoughts on Mileena? Has anyone played around with her at all?


Ooooooh. So you can't knock him OUT of it and cancel his x-ray before it does all of its damage to you but you CAN get a quick retaliation Wake-Up attack in against him for a little payback! Still kinda blows and needs fixed but not as bad as I thought since you can't combo after most wake-up attack moves.

On a side note I do like that you seem to gain bar from doing wake-ups, escapes, first strikes, and other little bonuses so it isn't just gain from doing specials or taking damage.

Btw, since Scorpion's Airthrow counts as a special you can build a little special bar if you need just a little more if your opponent is far away by jumping and hitting the throw button! I suspect Jax and others with Airthrows will also be able to use this little extra advantage.
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03/22/2011 12:52 AM EDT
Getting a lot better with Sub-Zero. Some of these combos just look so flashy. I did an Ice Clond, then did Sub's EX Slide to knock my opponent into the clone, freezing them and setting up a juggle. Its so awesome haha
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03/22/2011 07:42 AM EDT
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Getting a lot better with Sub-Zero. Some of these combos just look so flashy. I did an Ice Clond, then did Sub's EX Slide to knock my opponent into the clone, freezing them and setting up a juggle. Its so awesome haha


Hahaha.. Dude that is freaking SWEET. I would love to see that done in the middle of a fight and actually catch someone in that! They would be like "I can't believe I just fell for that... what the hell.." Adding Insult to Injury for the win! Also: I tried doing Cage's Shadow Kick to punish Scorpion mid (well almost post) X-ray like you said but couldn't get it to work! What's the timing on it exactly? Not that I had more than one opportunity to try I was playing on Expert over and over again for awhile and he rarely attempted his x-ray on me and even when he did I almost instinctively defended it because Scorpion is my main so I know how much he telegraphs every move he has and can usually defend him. He does manage to catch me off guard often though as my defensive game is overall pretty weak and my timing for shit BLOWS. lol.
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03/22/2011 02:14 PM EDT
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Getting a lot better with Sub-Zero. Some of these combos just look so flashy. I did an Ice Clond, then did Sub's EX Slide to knock my opponent into the clone, freezing them and setting up a juggle. Its so awesome haha


That's a cool combo!

As for Mileena, I'm finally starting to regularly pull off her sai projectile after the teleport kick. Her x-ray does indeed seem to be of high priority. From what I've played so far, her specials get blocked more often when I try to do them mid-combo against standing opponents.

I love playing with Sub-Zero, especially trying to pull off his slide at the end of the combo while the opponent is falling back.

Also, I love playing with Cage against Scorpion, it's so easy to counter Scorpion's x-ray with Johnny's. The feeling is awesome. I still have to practice and get better with executing a follow up combo after Johnny's x-ray.

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03/23/2011 01:47 AM EDT
You gotta do the Shadow Kick as soon as you get control of Cage again. Scorpion will still be in a cinematic "frozen" state where the player can't block or anything.
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03/23/2011 04:45 AM EDT
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You gotta do the Shadow Kick as soon as you get control of Cage again. Scorpion will still be in a cinematic "frozen" state where the player can't block or anything.


Okay so after Scorpion flips away and stands there for a sec, I start trying to retaliate with some long distance covering move like Shadow Kick, Sub-Zero Slide, Mileena Roll, or Scorpion's teleport?
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03/23/2011 04:28 PM EDT
Pretty much
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03/26/2011 01:25 PM EDT
Is anyone else struggling with Scorpion's enhanced spear mid-combo?

I don't have any difficulties pulling off that move as a solo move or to start a combo, but in the middle of the combo it just doesn't come off. I can pull off all the other enhanced moves mid-combo ~95% of the time, but Scorpion's spear never comes off.

What about you guys?

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03/26/2011 09:39 PM EDT
Hmmm... apparently Johnny has air frames in his forward BK(4), I did not know this. I guess he does leave the ground for a bit.
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03/26/2011 10:13 PM EDT
SubMan799 Wrote:
Scorpion's X-Ray suffers from Sindel MKD Throw Syndrome. If it lands, you can get a free hit on Scorpion. The move is actually punishable even if it hits!

Cage's Shadow Kick and Sub's Slide can get him. I haven't tried out Mileena but I think her Roll can get him too.


Wow, never knew that lol. I always asumed that my friend was just not blocking when I do the slide after his x ray. He even questioned me as to how I was doing that to him.
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03/29/2011 05:42 AM EDT
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Is anyone else struggling with Scorpion's enhanced spear mid-combo?

I don't have any difficulties pulling off that move as a solo move or to start a combo, but in the middle of the combo it just doesn't come off. I can pull off all the other enhanced moves mid-combo ~95% of the time, but Scorpion's spear never comes off.

What about you guys?


I have that problem I just assumed I wasn't very good at timing the simultaneous button + trigger due to my abysmal coordination. Good to know at least ONE other person has the issue and it isn't just that everyone else can do it but I totally suck or something. lol.
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03/29/2011 07:39 PM EDT
Bloodfang Wrote:
Nephrite Wrote:
Is anyone else struggling with Scorpion's enhanced spear mid-combo?
I don't have any difficulties pulling off that move as a solo move or to start a combo, but in the middle of the combo it just doesn't come off. I can pull off all the other enhanced moves mid-combo ~95% of the time, but Scorpion's spear never comes off.
What about you guys?


I have that problem I just assumed I wasn't very good at timing the simultaneous button + trigger due to my abysmal coordination. Good to know at least ONE other person has the issue and it isn't just that everyone else can do it but I totally suck or something. lol.


I think that move is a bit off. Not sure how to say it in English... It doesn't work as it should because I just cannot pull it off mid-combo while I can all the other enhanced moves...

Maybe it's the demo thing, they said they tweaked lots of stuff post-demo...

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04/05/2011 11:30 AM EDT
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Bloodfang Wrote:
Nephrite Wrote:
Is anyone else struggling with Scorpion's enhanced spear mid-combo?
I don't have any difficulties pulling off that move as a solo move or to start a combo, but in the middle of the combo it just doesn't come off. I can pull off all the other enhanced moves mid-combo ~95% of the time, but Scorpion's spear never comes off.
What about you guys?


I have that problem I just assumed I wasn't very good at timing the simultaneous button + trigger due to my abysmal coordination. Good to know at least ONE other person has the issue and it isn't just that everyone else can do it but I totally suck or something. lol.


I think that move is a bit off. Not sure how to say it in English... It doesn't work as it should because I just cannot pull it off mid-combo while I can all the other enhanced moves...

Maybe it's the demo thing, they said they tweaked lots of stuff post-demo...


It's not like he NEEDS to do the move mid-combo he's brutal enough if he catches you in a combo as is. LOL. IMO the purpose of the ES Spear is to start a combo if you are having issues with a projectile spammer because he can't get knocked out of his ES Spear so the projectile "trade" shifts to his advantage big time. That's the only time I use the move is if I am having issues landing a normal spear because of getting knocked out of it. Sink that bad boy in and make 'em cry. lol.
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04/05/2011 03:25 PM EDT
Bloodfang Wrote:
It's not like he NEEDS to do the move mid-combo he's brutal enough if he catches you in a combo as is. LOL. IMO the purpose of the ES Spear is to start a combo...


I agree with that, but there's just no reason why he shouldn't be able to do it mid-combo too. I'm the kind of player that doesn't always go for the highest damage dealing combos. I like to mix it up so that it looks more fun, even if it's not most effective. I'm not crazy about winning, I just like to have fun. wink

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