Is the game balanced?
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05/08/2011 12:37 AM EDT
I main Mileena and she has retarded easy combos so she seems very capablesmile

As for balance i mean a large number of viable characters, many fighting games have huge rosters but maybe only 20% are viable characters. This game seems to have a very large number in terms of characters that are capable of competing, i'd say near 75% of the cast at this point are capable of competing at the highest level. Baraka, Sheeva, seem to be the most hindered/less viable characters, but even they aren't useless like some games bottom tiers are.
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05/08/2011 12:39 AM EDT
Other then Raiden... Yea

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05/08/2011 12:44 AM EDT
Baraka sucks.
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05/08/2011 12:48 AM EDT
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I main Mileena and she has retarded easy combos so she seems very capablesmile

As for balance i mean a large number of viable characters, many fighting games have huge rosters but maybe only 20% are viable characters. This game seems to have a very large number in terms of characters that are capable of competing, i'd say near 75% of the cast at this point are capable of competing at the highest level. Baraka, Sheeva, seem to be the most hindered/less viable characters, but even they aren't useless like some games bottom tiers are.


Mileena's combos are easy to do but they're high risk. She's very very punishable.

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05/08/2011 12:57 AM EDT
iHeartXenomorphs Wrote:Coincidentally I use Sheeva & Baraka in tag ladder alot and they make a food team.


Food team? As in they get eaten by other people? Odd.

I'm surprised that bosses even came up in this topic...
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05/08/2011 01:05 AM EDT
It was a typo you jerk.


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05/08/2011 01:10 AM EDT
Baraka need's a serious speed boost on his blade spark special. Both the start up and recovery animations are painfully slow
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05/08/2011 01:12 AM EDT
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iHeartXenomorphs Wrote:Coincidentally I use Sheeva & Baraka in tag ladder alot and they make a food team.


Food team? As in they get eaten by other people? Odd.

I'm surprised that bosses even came up in this topic...


Probably because the bosses can be frustratingly cheap.

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05/08/2011 01:13 AM EDT
Shao Kahn can block unblockable moves :(
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05/08/2011 01:18 AM EDT
bosses having 52% x-rays is the most infuriating thing of all.

anywho, I think this game seems to be like soul calibur 2 in a lot of sences, which is have about:

5-6 top/high tiers,
everyone else mid tier,
2-3 low tiers.
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05/08/2011 01:23 AM EDT
Balanced? In some way.
Given that there are characters that are spammable, but that Block button does wonders against them.

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05/08/2011 04:20 AM EDT
Why the hell are some of you people bringing up bosses? They have NOTHING AT ALL to do with the balancing of the games characters.

Personally I think Raidens push and Kung Lao's hat throws could use a couple more frames, maybe Strykers guns as well.
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05/08/2011 05:22 AM EDT
I agree with you Sursion, Sheeva is too slow. She has a few quick comboopeners, but compare her low punch/kick combo to Liu Kangs.... Owned ._.

Other than that, her jump is so easy to land when playing online :) Even her stomp.
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05/08/2011 07:13 AM EDT
i would say that baraka is certainly a low-tier character. anybody using just about any other character can pretty much destroy him.

my personal tier-list:

HIGH:
- raiden
- ermac
- kung lao
- nightwolf
- smoke
- noob? easily spammable.

LOW:
- baraka
- cyber-sub
- quan chi
- sheeva
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05/08/2011 12:05 PM EDT
Reptile is not OP.. his combos are difficult.. Pulling off a 45% Njp combo is difficult.

Ermac by far has the easiest high damage combos in the game. Kung is tough because his hat spin is not so easy to punish off block.

Bak to reptile he also has a very slow dash speed. and the force balls are slow and take time to get off. Have not seen a lot of smoke other than turtle spamming so IDK.

its impossible to make every fighter completely balanced without making them exactly the same.

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05/08/2011 03:02 PM EDT
this game is balanced.
I dont know about any impossible/near impossible matchups but im sure there are. This is a fighting game. Favors towards a charackter in matchups will always excist. That doesnt mean you cant win!

I kinda want to see some good videos of a good sonya jade and Sindel players. I havent seen any footage of these chrackters and dont know if they are any good.

1# Kung Lao. He has a 1 frame shine Just like fox in melee.

So yeah its balanced.
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05/08/2011 05:51 PM EDT
lol melee is balanced amongst the7 top tiers, but overall melee is really unbalanced, when 19 characters are at huge disadvantages against said 7 characters.

MK9 still needs time to develope, but so far doesn't seem to lend itself to being broken. Definatly no Hilde from SC4 yet.
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RE: Is the game balanced?
05/08/2011 05:59 PM EDT
Need more online playtime to answer this question, but since PSN is down I'll have to wait.

I can say with all certainty, Raiden and Kung Lao are overpowered.
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05/08/2011 06:19 PM EDT
Online is not a basis to judge whether a character is balanced or not, its offline tournaments that matter like evo. Online adds the varible of lag and better connection making some characters better/worse. Smoke will seem broken online because the lag from being able to block, makes his teleport punch seem cheap/broken. Offline smoke may not be as good because blocking on reaction becomes possible.

Online means nothing, its about offline play that i am concerned with.
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RE: Is the game balanced?
05/08/2011 07:01 PM EDT
Playing as Quan Chi online, I'm 18-1 vs. Kung Lao and 23-3 vs. Raiden.
Offline, I have never lost to a Raiden player as Mileena (over 30 matches). Most of these opponents are pretty good with Kung/Raiden. They are not overpowered. They have plenty of exploits, and are punishable if you are solid with your character.
My next challenge is to make a beast out of Baraka, this games current punching bag.
Honestly, I'm surprised by how viable each character I've played as is so far.

Don't pay any attention to tier lists, or broken/nerfed/overpowered debates. Pick a fighter, learn them inside and out, and you will kick ass.
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05/08/2011 07:40 PM EDT
GodlyShinnok Wrote:
The game is pretty balanced, the only shit character is Baraka.


m0s3pH Wrote:
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He isn't shit.



Ugh.


When you compare him to the rest of the cast and think of matchups, he definitely is. His best attacks are of the defensive variety (Blade Spin and Chop Chop being anti-airs), his projectile is painfully slow, no teleport, poor damage output, the list of indictments go on with Baraka..


PurpleRainNinja Wrote:
Baraka, Sheeva, seem to be the most hindered/less viable characters


ZeroSymbolic7188 Wrote:
Baraka sucks.


spineripper Wrote:
Baraka need's a serious speed boost on his blade spark special. Both the start up and recovery animations are painfully slow


jagro Wrote:
i would say that baraka is certainly a low-tier character. anybody using just about any other character can pretty much destroy him.


swindle Wrote:
My next challenge is to make a beast out of Baraka, this games current punching bag.


He has this
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RE: Is the game balanced?
05/08/2011 07:55 PM EDT
Can't put much stock into a practice-level corner "combo". He has more potential than that.
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05/08/2011 08:45 PM EDT
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He has this


That's also a broken combo and an infinite. The video was just meant to show what kind of damage it does with the X-Ray. Something like that will get patched.

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05/09/2011 09:32 AM EDT
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Why the hell are some of you people bringing up bosses? They have NOTHING AT ALL to do with the balancing of the games characters.

Personally I think Raidens push and Kung Lao's hat throws could use a couple more frames, maybe Strykers guns as well.


Agree 100% Bosses, if anything, SHOULD be over-powered.

Agree 200% with Raiden's push coming out way too fast. Lao's spin actually worse than his hat to me.

Overall though this game is very balanced and it will hopefully only get better.
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RE: Is the game balanced?
05/09/2011 12:23 PM EDT
Balanced relative to what?

On the whole compared to other fighting games yes it is relatively balanced but that does not mean it is the most balanced game there is.

They have done a good job considering the amount of chracters in the game.
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