Frost of nowhere near Sub-Zero. Anyone who thinks this obviously has no idea what they are talking about.

You might as well say I have no idea what I'm talking about and not beat around the bush.

No, I'm talking about the Cyrax guy.


Wait wait wait, you think Frost is better than Sub-Zero? Oh dear..

Did I say she was better? Nope. As far as specials yeah, but overall she's not. No matter how much it hurts me good old subby is high-tier and poor Frost is low-tier..

I'd put Dairou over any character off-line even Sareena.The thing that makes Sareena so good online is her (almost) safe f,f+1.It's very hard to fight a character that has such a high and fast priority mid juggle starter that is virtually safe online due to lag.It's the closest thing to BRC's f+3 in MK:D that MK:A has in terms of covering distance.However,let someone block your f,f+1 off-line and you'll see how you can't even move for a few seconds.You can't even jump back or parry cancel.

As for Scorpion,and with all due respect to Jade-OWN,Karate,Mr.S,and Riu,unless Check is using him,don't judge him.Check knows how to deal with turtlers;he knows how to make you duck (and just judging the last time from our matches,I NEVER recall you ducking on Scorpion because of the fear of eating his f+1).Check uses his lows (b+3 and f+3,b+3) properly.He knows how to mix it up very well so that the lows become a threat.I just wish he'd fix his modem so that you,he,and I could have non-laggy and very competitive fights.I'm sure his Scorpion would give your Sareena a run for your money.

And as for Dairou,you need to play him patiently.Your main goal should be to let me whiff my wep. d+2 or first stance u+4,and then quickly come in for a 50/50 mix up (throw or mid attack OR mid attack or low).Of course you take risks doing that but sometimes it's better than to rush foolishly and eat a d+2 every time.

thanks dave, and sort of thanks versa

Well, one of the main reasons I said Dai is better than Scorp is because you beat Check your last 2 series. I assumed you used all Dai and he used all Scorpion.

Regardless of who is using Scorpion, Dairou is harder to beat. Check is the best Scorpion and we all know this, but I'd rather fight his Scorpion anyday than fight your Dairou. Why? Because Dairou is more dominant and harder to adapt to. That is my opinion, though, and I'm fine with you having Scorpion 2 and Dai 3. It's not a big difference.

The spin is awesome for Kabal but Movado's free throws I believe make up for him not having a stun move like Kabal's spin and lets not forget the powerup.Obviously you all know that they took Kabal's FT's away from MK:D and gave them to Movado, unless you parry/guess well there's easy victories with Mavado in that respect.I love that 50/50 mix up with Movado and Kabal.It owns..

Also, I want to add something to dairou that wasn't mentioned concerning something basic.Nothing fancy but VERY helpful, I've been doing this the past month+ or so.

At least this works online, not sure about offline since I don't play anyone offline but I'll test it against the CP if I get the chance.

His 3 in weapon stance is anti-air, it works EVERY time online no matter who I'm playing and they jump kick me or attempt to jump kick me or any attack from the air, it has priority over an air attack(not air cancels or mid air combos) air attacks such as jump kicks. I've found it to be very useful and makes opponents think twice before jumping towards you.It takes them out totally.Just a little basic tip in general.

MKF,I'll try that wep. stance 3 but make sure you stick to wep. d+2.

That's Dairou's best anti-air move.First stance,u+4 is also great.But ever since Check told me about wep. d+2 I really haven't used anything else besides it.

Wep. d+2 is the safest upper cut of its kind in this game.It does 16% of damage I think and kills jumpers/jumping kicks 85%+ of the time.It also knocks your opponent far away for more TS Drop/Fireball/Teleport/wep. d+2 mix ups.

But I'll try your shit.I can always use more anti-air attacks.

dave didnt beat me the last 2 series, hes beaten me one or 2 series since mka came out, and it wasnt all dai scorp

last series with dave was around 30-18 me and the series before that was 25-20 me

the lag is also much worse for me than it is for him, therefore making it meaningless to talk about scores regardless, its just as bad as you and i chris. im lucky i get 2 stars with someone in florida

dave and i also rarely play, he doesnt like the connection, but makes an exception to me because he realizes its bad for me too.

in closing, if dave wants to play scorp vs dai once again, i will have no problem beating him once again. i think a better matchup would be my dai vs his scorp, considering it has been one sided favoring me so far

so if i had to choose between dai and scorp the 2 situations, ill say dai beats scorp, but it all depends on how good the player is against dairou, same could be said about every other character in the game. hell, my frost almost beat his dai..... even when i used shinnok, sub, kabal, tanya, etc.. scorpion wouldnt even be the person i choose against dai anyway. most of the times ive played daves dai with scorp was because he asked me to, it wasnt like i had been practicing scorp or even playing online, he asks me once a month, and i still manage to beat him. like i said, its just about the character you are facing, not using.

anyway, u can throw dai all day, hes really not hard to beat, hes safe yes, but not when u throw his ass off every counter, lets hope that changes in mk 8

I have a question felluz. Wonderin if any of you guys can help me. Is it good/safe to shoot Frost's ground freeze while Dairou is doing his TS Drop? Sometimes it reaches him before he can block low or jump, but then other times my opponent can avoid it. I've tested it on numerous Dairou users and was successful and unseccessful at the same time.

Let me know how it works out for you, so far it's helped me a lot.

But I want to try your uppercut, I usually don't uppercut much (since the 3D MK's) but I do here and there.But since you said it's great anti-air, I'll try that out.

Worst that can happen is you trade hits, right?

Damn, so Check is really good in this game I bet.Sucks that I don't have PS2 online or you don't have xbox live.

Scorpion is awesome up close, IMO one of the best in the game.I would think Dairou owns the distance game against him, but close game...I don't know lol.I'd like to see Dairou pound scorp in that situation.HIs F+1 is so safe and fast it's insane.

BTW, I tried reptile lol...man does he suck LMAO...maybey him and I weren't meant to be.His invisibility kicks ass but he leaves a lot to be desired IMO.He's got some slick weapon moves that are neat I thought but I only tried and gave up on him after a week or so lol.

Isn't Reptile's style safe? Pao Chui or whatever. It seems that all those kicks hit mid area. Possibly you can use it for 50/50s.

the lag is also much worse for me than it is for him, therefore making it meaningless to talk about scores regardless, its just as bad as you and i chris. im lucky i get 2 stars with someone in florida

Dude,we have talked about this on AIM on numerous occasions.I really don't want to get into this bull shit with anyone so I wanna make it clear to all...

0-2 star matches are mostly pointless as you said.You can complain all day how you jump and my TS Drop still hits you,how my (Scorp's) f+1 hits from half screen away,etc.

I can complain all day how your jump kick cancels give ridiculous advantages...so ridiculous that JK cancel,TS Drop was guaranteed,how all of your moves are safe,etc.

What does all this lead to?Nothing.

Although laggy,I still want to play you sometimes.Ironically,you know we lag as well and you still want to play.Thus,if you (or anyone else for that matter) are going to complain all day about lag,then don't ask for matches.I don't know how simpler I can put it.

Besides,you need to fix your modem.2 stars for two people who live in the same state?That definitely doesn't sound right to me.Fix your modem when you get the chance to,and I assure you I will ask you for more matches very frequently,and Versa will probably do the same.

MKF ~ Reppy is a good mid tier in this game. his 4,3 gives a free throw. he dashes foward real fast in 1st stance. the dash foward is a good tool dash foward and throw real quick, dash foward and 4,3. go invisable and it makes it harder to defend. add in his clip he ends up being a pretty decent 50/50 character.

his weapon ..... umm no.


About Kabal, i still say he's better then mavado. his weapon up+2 againist walls gives a free throw. i say the dash makes him better. how often does mavado get to use his big combos?? just from my play, only time i used them is when my foe jumps and i use 4 as a anti air then 114 again.

then u will get told u again dave

anything i can do with my connection you can do too. safety included, its the additional nonsense of your scorpion f1 covering the whole screen or unjumpable ts drop due to ss lock glitch, you cant really argue that, understand? when something is worse for someone, its worse, theres no debating it.

do i bitch about lag? no i dont, i bitched about you catching me off guard and using characters i wasnt ready for or expecting, you do that alot. if u didnt the scores would be much unprettier. ive dealt ur with insane priority over moves since mkd when ur f2 escrima would have priority over my f3 bo, just dont work that way, sorry dude. and that was when we had 3 stars it has nothing to do with lag i can tell u that, you tell me to fix modem, maybe you should fix yours since its worse for me 75-90% of the time?


fixing my modem wont do anything as ive said, its worse for me than it is you or versa, you can both deny it all day, i just dont care, i just play and say if you really care, dont play me then. mka aint worth it.

to bitch about jk cancels was the dumbest thing u could of brought up, u know damn well u can do that too. if you can glitch throw me you can jkc me. period

i wont get into the whole stars thing cuz im sure its going to be the same when i get cable this week... regardless i dont ask you for games 90% of the time, you ask me, so dont worry about me asking you or versa for them. im contempt with my skill level for one more mk game.

Playoffs????

Knock it off you two, this really could be settled on aim instead of publicly...
peace

Horray, Check playing the victim and acting like it's not incredibly laggy for us. What else is new?

Nakm, Frost sucks. You're not going to beat Dairou at a high level with her. Learn someone better. I'm not saying drop her as your main. Sub-Zero wasn't that good in MKD, but was still my main. I did, however, learn how to play top tier characters at a high level to be able to compete with people who's main were also top tier(IE: Dave). You should do the same.

Yeah, I agree man.His first style does seem to dash/or move forward rather quickly, I don't know lol.His style isn't my style I guess lol.I also never used Kang in MK:D with that style so perhaps that's apart of it, I'm not used to Pao what ever lol.Can't remember the name at this point in time.

His weapon seemed ok, some slick moves nothing special though.I remember playing this one guy online, perhaps it was lag?But he kept turtling and using a certain spin with Rep's weapon...seemed very safe.But yeah, definitely not the best weapon or near it if you ask me overall.

Kabal I use more then Mavado for sure, It's tough for me to decide who's better although I'm leaning towards Kabal, he lost some power with losing that style from MK:D and losing his FT's that mavado now has but still, I believe Kabal is badass none the less and a beast.His 50/50 is still nice.

I'll check out Sareena. See if she's actually THAT good. Tanya is the only high-tier character I play. It'd be nice to at least know how to play 2 or 3 high-tier characters at a decent level instead of just one. Thanks anyways VERSA.

She's the best in the game.

I use her weapon too much. I need to practice on throwing her knives at machine gun speed. LOL.

Just recently started playing MKA again.

If anyone wants to play online [ PS2 ] or share/discuss strategies feel free to IM me at Darkest Cobra [ AIM ].

Got my ass kicked by Nakm today.

There's many dimensions to playing Sareena properly. Being in weapon 90% of the time is definitely one of them, though. Her first stance is useless outside of juggles and random 1,b+3s for people who can't block high,lows.