Nah, Man. That's just online spammers in general. I've seen good smokes and spammy smokes, same goes for Noob. It all just depends on how they play them.

Out of all the cheesers online, Smoke is the easiest. He has no low mix up combos, his moves are highly punishable, the smoke bomb can be blocked high or low and does zero damage on block

Smoke might be easy to use, but he's also one of the easiest to beat as well.


If you use Kitana, she can spam bust like nobody else's business. Also, a word of advice, Smoke's teleport beats cheese consistently as does Raiden's teleport among others, I wouldn't recommend employing any strategies you see from cheesers online.

Spam if you want, it's a legit strategy, but if you do it you will lose to anyone half way decent.

Better advise would be to play against stronger players, because they know more tatics and thus play more creatively.

Spam Kitana fans all you want, I will just low fireball under them and murder you with midscreen shenanigans,



UMAD?

That was the point I was making, don't rely on it exclusively, especially when as you said, any half decent player can beat it.

Kitana is great up close and far away, if he/she chooses to limit themselves by only using fan zoning, that will be to their detriment. It's what most Kitana players online do, then you get in close and they've got nothing it's pretty sad, Kitana is not that hard to use, fairly easy to me.


oh and lol @ that sindel, so random.

Is it bad that my Sindel is all zoning?

I'm going to pretend there's some value in this thread and move it to the gameplay forum.

Nope.

My Jax (and Kenshi) eats spammy Smokes for breakfast. :)

Spamming Noob Saibots are a different story, however. I tend to use Kratos, Shang Tsung, or Kenshi against the spam-tastic Noob Saibots.

I play as Noob Saibot only against Kung Lao players, because I hate KL players who use him for easy wins, I unfortunately cannot tell if my opponent is using him for an easy win, or if they're using him because they like him.

Winning with Noob is not easy. All he has are his shadow clones. Also, Smoke, for the most part, is easy as hell to beat. He can "spam" his smoke bombs all day, it won't do anything. Then, if that's not working, he'll probably throw out a random teleport, which, as long as you block it, is punishable with a full combo.

I think a bigger issue is KL's, only-punishable-with-D+1-teleport. The one where he kicks you with one leg lol. All his other teleports can be punished with an uppercut. I played with this guy today who abused the hell out of this. He was cool though.

No, but I'm just saying, having a wide plethora of options at your disposal can take an average character and make them deadly.


If people get around your zoning, you're in serious trouble and that's the same thing with people who know combos, but cannot counter zoning, it's great on paper, but their combos are uselss if they cannot get in and do some damage.

The OP uses Kitana though, all I said was Kitana is great up close and with zoning and if people can only use Kitana from afar, they're limiting themselves.

The attitude for most is, whatever works to win and I have no opinion on the matter, if you like to play Sindel that way, do so, she's more zone reliant anyway; however, Kitana is much more well rounded and can be used as such.

To OP: If you really wanna spam projectiles, I suggest Kabal. No other character can fire their projectiles as fast as he can, plus he has a low projectile too. Just saying...


As for Sindel, you can now link her normal scream after:

2, 2 - scream
4, 4 - 1 - scream (tricky)
b1, 2 - dash in - 3, 1 -scream
b3, f2 - scream (tricky)

You can link her enhanced scream after 2, 2, 1 (last hit hits low).


She still sucks imo as her normals are slow and the recovery on her normal and low projectiles is pretty big.

That. My Kabal blows up any purely zoning Sindel. Once I get in close, they choke and have no idea what to do. The ones that zone then actually use her rushdown abilities (which are better than she's given credit for) are the ones I have trouble with.

I basically play her with a forest of fireballs at full screen, then I try to read how they want to advance on me. Uppercut if they jump. Jump in Kick-throw if they standing block, jump in-punch combo ending in a push back if they crouch block.

Hopefully when they do finally get in I have a breaker and we start all over :D

Works pretty good.

But then there's Mileena.... I hate Mileena.

Mileena and Cyrax are the characters that give me a very hard time.

Mileena shuts down all zoning and I do mean all, I feel so limited when I fight Mileena and I don't rely heavily on zoning and also if someone picks Cyrax, I will never lob a projectile at them, trading that for one of his nets, which can lead into his 40+ combos is not an exchange I'm keen on making. The constant bomb trap attempts and net, make me feel like I'm playing a Sonic game and Dr. Robotnic won't stop trolling lol, his bomb traps are managable, but it still racks my brain.


The most annoying people to fight for me are Noob, Mileena, Kratos, dat damn beat all parry, his cousin Quan Chi( for him to be low tier, I'd rather fight Kabal than to fight him lmao).

Raiden isn't that bad, if his teleport didn't turn every fight into a guessing game that is never in your favor, especially with lag and stupid zero start up on thunder dive and that bloody teleport

I agree about Mileena, she's very hard to fight against. You just never know what's coming next. Funny thing though, when I play with Kitana I struggle against Mileena players, but when I play with Mileena I struggle against Kitana players lol.

BUT, my biggest nightmare to fight against is Reptile, by far. I freakin' hate his projectiles and his elbow dash madness! Aaaaaaaaaaaa!

Noob Saibot is tricky, it's all about being patient, which I'm often not lol. I'm handling Kano better these days. Could be because they nerfed his upball, but it could also be because I learned to play the character on a decent level, which helps.

And Kabal... Well, let's just say I'm lucky that all the online REO wannabes are no where near his level.

What do you do to throw Mileena off her game? Im totally cluesless against her because that telekick beats everything, but if you block it, she just gets to walk up and do whatever she wants. How do you control the fight or at least fight for controll vs mileena?

How does Quan Chi annoy you when you're fighting against him? just curious.

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I hate quan to.

Mileena is a tough match up for Kitana, very fitting heh. She makes you hesitant to trade projectiles with her. I think if you get in close, Kitana might have a sliver of an advantage, but just barely.

Reptile is pretty difficult to deal with, so glad that dash got nerfed and then the people doing the dash 10 times before you get up when you do delayed wake up I'm just like....wow lol I'm not getting up, please kindly calm down my good sir.

I don't even want to discuss how much rage I've gotten from playing Noob, the dude makes me lose my patience and I have a decent amount especially now that his shadow charge hits ovehead, a total nightmare, Stryker and Sheeva don't have a whole lot of reliable means of getting in on him and projectile trading isn't the best of ideas, Sheeva's tele stomp might work once or twice on them, but they'll eventually up knee you out of it. I can consistently beat Noob players(actual good ones) with Kitana, that instant air fan, square wave, and for some reason I can do her combos easier than I can Stryker's and Sheeva's and I use them more lol. It's still a hard match up though.


I like Kano quite a bit too, but I'm not a fan of fighting him because you can never jump in on him or really reliably trade projectiles with him. He's much more manageable now, but I'd say he provides a pretty interesting challenge.



Act lik you're going to rush her down everytime you knock her down so she can do one of her punishable wake ups and I always poke the living hell out of her (which sounds really bad saying out loud lol), but she sets it up so you cannot jump at her or you're eating a big combos, cannot turtle too much or you're eating an overhead (I always punish those with an uppercut btw).

Also, you can punish the tele-kick, even if the Mileena player throws sais after it with an uppercut, just gotta time it right.

You cannot truly control a Mileena fight, you just have to let Mileena have the air of controlling the fight, let her make the first move only and deal with her accordingly, this is not to say don't use offense, but I've only beaten good Mileena players by letting them take the lead, she's too tricky to go in there willy nilly with rush down and has too reliable of anti-zoning tools for that, in either case, you'd be eating a pretty hearty combo.

I have had to fight so many Mileenas in the PSN tournaments we have at MKO, it helped a lot, but Mileena is still one of the most taxing fights ever.




I'm talking about above intermediate Quan Chis, the majority online, who do the teleport stomp aren't a problem for me, but to answer your question,
his mix ups are ridiculous, some look like they hit high, but hit low and vice versa, his combo damage and trance are hard to deal with at times.

His trance can drain meter, his teleport stomp means say good bye to jumping at him or in on him + he can direct its movement for a more sure fired hit.


But it's mainly how confusing his combo string are, the other stuff helps make him a real pain for me though.


lmao pretty much summed up my post better and more articulately than I could.

I never thought I'd say this, but for this game, Quan Chi annoys me to no end not only gameplay wise, but story wise too ugh! I used to really like him as a character, I tried him out this game too, highly irritating , but he's a great trickster I suppose.

Block low, then block high, beats every chain he has.

The problem when fighting Mileena is that it's very difficult to outzone her, her tele kick is fast, tracks you even when in the air, can be cancelled into sai, and doesn't have ground recovery. Her EX tele kick is totally safe.
Her roll is fast, unparriable, and can't be punished on whiff.
One jump in punch means 35%+ combo if connected, if not then you eat a throw.
You can't try to combo her because there's a high probability you will fail so you can only damage her with pokes and uppercuts.

Now Cyrax, he is worse than Mileena imo. His net covers a lot of space, comes out fast, and has little recovery time, if you try a jump in punch on him you eat a net which most of the time means 50%+ damage.
Then you have the bombs which come out fast, have little recovery time, are unblockable and they pop you up! If you try to jump a bomb you eat an air throw, his air throw can be done in the ground and doesn't have any recovery time.
His bomb traps are too much, if someone really know how to set up one, you're done.
His teleport has invincibility frames, I mean what the hell?
His 2, 1, 2 string is safe, last attack is overhead and has pushback, if you try to jip after that string, guess what? NET!
After the patch his saw is an overhead, smh.
Oh and he also has a frame trap, in case you give him too much trouble lol.

Cyrax is damn near broken.

Oh and I forgot his command throw, which is not as useful as before but still hard to counter it. And I thought Kung Lao was op lmao.