xD

I agree with stuff said in the video and it makes me mad too that the bugs are not getting fixed as fast. With Ed and the team basing off whats worked on first by how many tweets thay get about a certain topic annoys me.
To me if there are bugs that should be fixed and feedback that should be noted, other stuff like DLC can wait. Whats the point of having extras and being able to enjoy them if there are glitches and what not preventing that.
I know NRS is doing the best they can and I'm not blaming them fully or sayinb they're totally responsible.
By the way, was Tom Brady a tester for this game?, and since he has direct contact with them, why didn't he tell them about all the problems about the game even after his short time there?

They cant just fix it in 2 secs its a long process, and there is gonna be another hotfix so we will see watsup

I know things take time and i'd i'm happy to wait. Hopefully things do get fixed.

Yeah, but the general issue and complaint here is that they aren't getting it done in time for a major tournament, and if it doesn't get fixed before the tournament, the game will lose a lot of it's cred.

If there is something I wouldn't say about Tom Brady is that he sucks at this game... In fact his gameplay is the best things I've seen so far while I wait to go home on July so I can play the game, not to mention his guides at testyourmight... Maybe you're good, but Saying that you would get easy money competing against players like Tom Brady and others (not saying all of them, but there are a lot of incredible players on the tournaments) seems too conceited IMO.

Hopefully Ed and the team were sent this video. This would probably be the killing blow to their reputation if they don't deliver before EVO.

Man after MK4-MKDC their reputation is already blown. This might be their last ditch effort to save it.

There are so many things wrong with this statement on so many different levels that I don't even know where to begin. I was about to agree with you too . . .

(And FYI, all men have "breasts" and can get breast cancer. It is rare, but it does happen.)

Everyone is passionate about something or I would hope so at least. It could be theater, opera, football or comics. I can't fault someone for being passionate about something they care about, even if a majority of us might consider it "just a game."

Now the way he went about it might warrant a little discussion, but at the end of the day it seems that what he's saying is spot on. I'm not a tournament level player (heck I'm terrible) but a lot of his complaints sound valid to me.

@Temp,
I don't know how you came to the conclusion that because I understand what it takes to develop a video game I don't care about balance or tournament standards. You think that just because I'm not furious stabbing my Ed Boon voodoo doll like the rest of you I'm some apologist who has no problem with infinites and glitches.

I AM a tournament player. I HAVE TRAVELED to tournaments. I have committed time and money in the pursuit of getting better. I have picked up and put down games because their balance is fucking terrible.

I will not for a moment defend the notion that MK is without problems. I will not defend for a moment the idea that NRS still has a lot to learn (I'm a Sheeva player, I fuckin know). But what I will defend is the notion that somehow whining on stream about the developers not caring and being unprofessional is productive or intelligent.

Maybe you don't understand that just because its tournament season and they want a tournament quality game that doesn't mean they can just patch it every fifteen minutes because Johnny Top Tier has a beef with Sonya's block stun. You think that's how it works? You think Capcom is sweating bullets because Evo and SBO are coming up and Yun is the elephant in the room?

The developers have proposed to fix it, they've patched it 4 times already FOUR, they've posted patch notes each time, they've shown up at tournaments and shook hands and talked shit with the players, what more can they do? Do you need to see what line of code they are working on today? Do you need to see budget and projection spreadsheets to understand their time tables? Do you need to read through their contract with Microsoft and Sony for hosting? Do you need a webcam outside the company bathroom so you can see how much time Paulo and John are wasting taking shits instead of working on their horribly flawed and apparently unplayable game?

What do you think NRS is? Six guys in a dark conference room watching streams and twitters and message board, thumbing their noses and saying "we could be fixing the game, but fuck it. This is fun to watch."

Every MK9 Tourney thus far has been full of guys who knows just as much about whats wrong with the game and they still pay their money, sit down and play the fucking game for keeps. People have been Cyrax bomb trapping, Kung Lao spinning, and Raiden tele-superman-bullshitting at WNF since literally the day after release. Hell, at PDP Michaelangelo made a killing with Kabal block traps and they still called it hype. The entire legacy MK scene is playing the game (LiJoe, Crazy, REO, etc), JWongg and the SF4 brigade are playing the game, Japan is playing the fucking game. You think the scene is going to "die" because a few whiny babies put down their controllers and go home?

The game is certainly fucked up, but it is not that bad. And to be as small and have a shitty track record as they do, NRS are WAY ahead of the game in terms of trying to please the fans. You know what Ono said when people told him Yun and Yang were too strong? "Yeah, we deliberately made some of the characters better than others, sorry."

Tom Brady made this phone call FROM a tourney that was playing on a patch released that was literally pushed out THE DAY BEFORE so players could play a fixed game. They had Hec on hand. And he says they don't care and they're unprofessional?

Wouldn't it be interesting if a player discovered a new infinite, kept it secret, and won a paying tournament because of it?

lol i love it how NRS gives us this great game with tons of content but since there are a few minor gameplay issues and bugs all of the MK community and their mothers wanna call NRS stupid or incompetent. LOL! They said they are releasing a hotfix later jesus christ god the MK community is so annoying NRS makes a minor fuckup once and now it's SCREW YOU NRS!

fenix just owned this thread mine as well close it

Oh man. So much to respond to. Before proceeding, just remember guys: this stuff is not meant to be taken personally. This is just another day at MKO.


No, the scene isn't destroyed because the game isn't flawless. I wouldn't even say the game is destroyed if it isn't patched by Evo.

However, the game will die if tournament players pass it up because of unreasonable disadvantages. I was responding to Fenix's solution, which was:


That's not you approach the issue. If a game isn't working: complain. Whine. In the end, it's all communication. NRS made some bad decisions, and Brady called some of them out. How harsh he was or should have been is NOT the issue here.


What is this game if not an opportunity to show they can make a passable tournament-capable fighter? Again: they should have given the game proper exposure instead of hiding VERY BASIC elements behind smoke and mirrors. No one forced them to withhold half the cast until April, and no one forced them to pass up numerous convention opportunities.

I don't know where you got this impression that I already condemned this game as a broken fighter. My message to NRS was simple: communicate with the fans better, and next time, TEST THE GAME PROPERLY.


And they're creating problems too. Again: why in the name of burning orphans did Smoke's OTG need to be nerfed? They've done some good, but they've also already created arbitrary changes which are harming the game.

Again: this is not a final verdict. This is us telling NRS "What the fuck, dude?" It has to be said.


No one can say Capcom is doing nothing. They patched infinites, they nerfed Sentinel, and they even started adding additional (even if useless) content to make up for the bare-bones story mode. They're even guilty of the same unjust nerfs: There was nothing wrong with C. America's infinite and Sentinel didn't need to be nerfed that badly.

But I'm not here to defend Capcom. They've done stupid shit too.


And that's good. No one's arguing otherwise.

But that's now. What about all the shit they didn't do before the game came out? Seth Killian of Capcom practically lived on the Unity forums up until MvC3's release, and Vice President of Capcom USA Sven has been doing video blogs where he answers live chat questions.

You seem to think I'm attacking NRS's patching methods when really, I've been attacking the testing methods. Brady and Aris are undeniably right about one thing: block infinites should have never seen the light of day.


I didn't say that.


Well, they ARE paying cash to participate in the tournaments. There would be no scene without those guys: they have a right to be angry. This goes back to Fenix's post: when you say it was they're fault for spending money to compete in a broken game, you're saying they should have been smart enough not to support the MK scene.

But that's backwards! The scene will die without them, and you people are pissing on their sacrifices! Of course they feel betrayed. How would you feel if you bought a plain ticket to enter a tournament with paid registration only to get there and hear, "oh, you participated in a tournament with block infinites? What an idiot! At least MK is fun an accessible, though."

Tom Brady and Aris, even if not all their points are solid, had a right to be angry. NRS did a huge disservice by not testing this game properly, and they ended up sabotaging their tournament players.


Didn't say that.


Well, if you mean properly test the damn thing, then yes, they had a "lack of success."


Didn't say any of that.


To summarize, I have two primary points here.

A) Brady and Aris had a right to be angry.

B) NRS didn't test this game properly.

Neither of those are an issue of faith. And no, I'm not going anywhere. Why would I spend my evening endlessly copy and pasting quotes if I didn't already love the franchise?


Agreed so far.


It got the dialogue going. What would have better? A tweet? A personal email? No. This got the conversation out in the open, and NRS was defended as well as attacked. NRS are grown men; they can take the heat. It's up to them to decide whether Brady was justified in his comments, but the important thing is that issue is out in the open and more importantly, multiple perspectives were placed on the table.


If they had just tested the damn game properly in the first place, we wouldn't be having this conversation.

I'm not naive: I understand a glitch-free game is not possible. Infinites happen. It's the nature of the beast. But there were measures they could have taken to but didn't due to out-dated marketing and lack of exposure. This game should have seen fan play, and not just at conventions. Shoryuken.com got to play the shit out of MvsC3 before it came out in private booths away from the public demoing. They had access to most of the cast, too. This is the stuff that needs to be rectified. I'm not going to pretend I know how long patches take to process. I'm talking about things that could have been done but simply weren't.

And because it wasn't done, I'll reiterate: Brady had a right to be angry.


Sure. NOW they're patching. Remember when everyone said they were worried that NRS was so confident in their patching system that they wouldn't focus enough resources on testing the game? Well guess what the fuck happened. Here we are now waiting for Evo and hoping we have a working game by then.

It should not have come to this. I'm glad they're patching. I don't hate NRS, and I know they care about us. But we whine with purpose. I don't want this to happen twice.


No, that would be their marketing department.


There's no distinction, dude. You think Brady is the only one who's upset about the infinites? Wong and Floe aren't immune to block infinites. Everyone's force to gamble against this shit, and if they all used your logic, then the scene would indeed die.

I'm grateful that those can travel and spend the money are doing so. Just because someone has decided to continue to support the scene despite the game's problems doesn't mean they have to be happy when they lose to nonsense disadvantages.

Brady got the dialogue out in the open, which is exactly where it needed to be.


Well, there's two different debates here:
1) Was Brady's statement wrong?

2) Was Brady wrong for making his statements?

Brady was incorrect about the professionalism comments, but I'm not going to say he shouldn't have voiced it. Ski covered all those bases anyway in NRS's defense.

And holy shit, I think that covers all the comments. I'm going to get drunk now.

This sort of thing doesn't get a dialogue going and its not constructive. This sort of thing makes scrubs draw lines in the sand and pretend they have an understanding of whats going on.

NRS has said numerous times they want a tourney quality game and they need our help. They want youtubes, they want tweets, they want emails. But do they want top players putting them on blast on streams calling them incompetent and incapable of making a game? Would that really "inspire" you to get back to your desk and work?

Thankfully, they are good sports and yes, they can take the heat. But that doesn't make it okay. At what point do we have to start being adults and accepting we can't have everything our way?