OK, this is the last I post on the matter because I was quoted but I really don't want to go off topic.

It bothers me when people feel the need to diminish other fans fave characters just because their own favorite didn't shine as much or whatever.

Both Kitana and Sonya are awesome, so, no need for bitterness.



True.



Whether you like it or not: Yes, it is canon buddy.

It happened. It was shown. It was portrayed. It is official. It is not assumptions.

Canon.

I don't understand how you can choose to decide that "this is not canon" but other stuff like Kitana's victories are so "super" and "canon".

Its the way it is. Facts.



I'll just quote myself again:

"Sonya's 'Its Kombat Time!' against the 4 Edenian Females proves that this is the point the creators wanted to make with Sonya's victories in Story mode. Even Mileena says something like: 'You Earth females have so much to learn about Kombat' to what Sonya replies something like 'We'll see about that'. The point is very clear even though Challenge Tower is obviously not canon."

You are fooling yourself when you say it was just "to take space and for entertainment" (quite conveniently, I might add).

No matter what you choose to believe, I'm not debating rumors or assumptions. We are talking facts.

If Kitana or Sindel had defeated Shao Kahn story mode (as she rightfully should have) I'd be defending that CANON and REAL moment because I feel they deserve it and can accomplish that. I wouldn't be here going all "it was just for entertainment".

Johnny is now descendent of a powerful god-like race. Should I choose to believe this to be canon? or not? Sounds silly doesn't it?

It is what it is. We were given facts in this game and while it might not have been the brightest game for Kitana, it was certainly worse for other characters who barely got scenes/roles in storymode.



1) Sonya VS Raiden is canon.

2) Raiden obviously didn't fight as he could have or else she'd been defeated. We all know that. He obviously didn't want to hurt her terribly. Still, she held her guard.

3) It is quite biased of you how you choose to determinate that Sonya VS Kitana+Jade / Raiden is not real or canon, yet, you talk of "the princess defeating" Shang Tsung as something super great, super real, and super canon, when it is super obvious that he didn't fight her as he could have.

So, why is it canon and real for Kitana to have those victories but not Sonya?

Are you pulling a Mileena saying "Earth females don't know anything about Kombat"? 'Cause the NRS team made it pretty clear that Sonya is way up there along side the 10,000 years old assassins in power.

Look at Tsung's smirk and at his attitdue when "she defeats him".

All Shang Tsung did was play with Kitana and he humiliated her horribly in front of Shao Kahn. He would have tamed her if he wanted to, but, the humiliation was a lot worse (specially 'cause it resulted in Kahn sentencing her to her death).

That fight is just as canon and just as real as the Sonya VS Raiden. Sorry.



Lol. That proves nothing.

It only tells me the obvious that everyone else can guess: that they really wanted to massacre Kitana the most because her death at the hands of Sindel is the most dramatic because of their story and connection. Same with Jade's.

Kitana only lasted that much because she's her daughter. What else are you trying to see? It would have been even more cheap had Kitana gone like Stryker or Sub-Zero.

Its got nothing to do with super power considering she got owned (a lot) throughout story mode and Sub-Zero went off in a second, Jax with a heel, and Stryker with a punch and I don't even remember the others.



A lot more than you are obviously willing to give her credit for.

She survived for more reasons than just being a favorite of Ed's and the NRS team (who have commented on her many times before) and popular with the fans.

And I'm a happy Sonya fan.

perfectly stated, thank you.

@Queve...

"It bothers me when people feel the need to diminish other fans fave characters"
-werent you the one diminishing Kitana, saying Sonya completely "owned" her in this new story line?

About the "Canon" battles in story mode...
-All I'm saying is that we cannot take em seriously because they dont make any sense!
Sonya defeated Kitana, but Johnny defeated Sonya, BUT Kitana defeated Johnny!
-And I guess your kinda right about the Shang Stung vs Kitana fight, maybe Kahn ordered him not too kill her. However, that also applies to the Raiden vs Sonya fight, hes a thunder god and was clearly attacked by the stubburn (which I love btw) Sonya, and did not defend himself or fight back....
Although in my opinion the STung vs Princess battle makes more sense, because Shang is a heartless foo, and would have no remorse killing Kitana at the spot, non like Raiden.....


I too am DONE with this argument lol. Lets just agree to disagree..
Why are we even talking about Sonya, this is a Kitana thread, dam you Sonya fanclub! lol

At the end of the day.....

-Sonya Blade is fukin Badass, and I really enjoyed her presense in the story mode. She made me laught more than once and I really enjoyed her chapter.

-Kitana is my baby, and eventho she wasnt given complete justice (just like many other characters), she still played a huge role in this new MK. NRS better find a creative non ZOMBIE! way to bring back the only Princess of Edenia.

btw I mean no disrespect my friend, I'm just a very passionate MK fan, just like you.

Sonya survived as survivor is her key ability. Her entire existence is based off of the tragedy of being a soldier who has lost her comrades. It's happened with her partner, it's happened with her partner, and now this. Sonya is the emotional leader of the crew, believe it or not, and actually is one of the smartest leaders of the team. In fact, Sonya is the best leader. Dead serious. Who knew that Frost was no good? Sonya. Who didn't trust Tanya? Sonya. Who is the person who got Kenshi and Cyrax to join the Special Forces? Sonya.

Liu Kang and Kung Lao, though powerful warriors they be, are not very good at being team players. They mostly relate to each other, or in Liu's case, Kitana. Sonya loves and hates everyone equally, making her the biggest team player. And the thing is, Johnny has always been that way too. Look at Armageddon.


So if anyone is bound to bring heroes together, dead or alive, it's those two. Plus, Johnny being saved from death only to die again is a bit redundant.

Petrcech: I love you.

So:



Sorry, but how was my response diminishing?

I never said Kitana sucks or that she's trash. As a matter of fact, I expressed my support for her character.

Sonya did totally own Kitana. She defeated her in Kombat. I was stating a fact in response to a user who was overreacting with a bitter post.

Go back and read again.



Again, go back and read the previous posts. Sonya was brought up bitterly by an angry Kitana fan.

Up until then there was no "Sonya fanclub" posting anything on the matter.

Lets be fair, please, and don't blame the wrong crowd.




Absolutely.



Wow!

I couldn't have said that better myself. Wonderfully put.

It's a nice contrast to her bitchy self in Defenders of the Realm. Then again, everyone in DotR were SUPREME ASSHOLES, Stryker included.

I loved how DotR gave Stryker a short BS backstory of how he was in love with some chick, and then he got caught in the issues of the MK world, and then she went with some of other guy. Heh. Right.

But you know Stryker....
If you change your mind....
I'm the first in line!
Honey I'm still free.
Take a chance on me...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=he53q1WaKL8

This explanation for Kitana's victory over Shang Tsung reads as an empty inference. "He would have tamed her if he wanted to?" Eh, how do you know that, exactly? The only canonical restriction on the fight was on Kitana. She needed to keep Tsung alive to present his crimes to Shao Kahn, as she promised to do before battle.

I think making those sorts of inferences leads us into fanfiction territory. After all, I could say that Kitana and Jade lost to Sonya because they pigged out at a fabulous Outworld barbecue moments before the battle. This, of course, would be an empty inference, and it does nothing but needlessly diminish Sonya's fighting skill.

Please don't do the same to Kitana. :)

Okay, tamed was the wrong word.

Shang Tsung could have beat the absolute shit out of Kitana and stuffed her body in a fridge. Still, having her face the humiliation is a far funnier fate.

Yes, he could have. As I stated before, story mode proves that any fighter has the potential to defeat any other fighter.

But you are assigning motives to a character by making an inference based on what you would like to see or what you think is funny. It is just as plausible to suggest that Kitana was on her A-game, especially infuriated and full of adrenaline after discovering Mileena that she defeated Shang Tsung single-handedly.

And that probably Tsung counted on her not killing him and bringing him to Kahn. He did not fight as if -let us say- facing Liu Kang. Why would he? And Kitana didn't really have a motive to kill him, but to find out the meaning of what the fuck is wrong with the people here, the purple Kuchisake-onna wannabe included.

And basically he and Troll Chi once already wiped the floor with the general Kitana - Bo'rai Cho'ed Kung Lao team in DA, if I recall events correctly.

That is, not to say that she cannot pose a sufficient threat. Every last one fighter does to all the others.

My point exactly. At the end of the day, we're left with fan speculations as to why a certain fighter won or lost in story mode. Certain speculations are more plausible than others, and we can debate the merits of each interpretation on their own. But I hold that it's still speculation to suggest Tsung *wanted* Kitana to defeat him and incur injuries for the sake of a big "lol u mad?" moment. If Tsung wanted to bring her to Kahn, that could have been accomplished by knocking her out. He failed to knock her out, whether by his own volition or because Kitana proved the superior fighter that day.

Also, Tsung and Kitana never fought in DA. I believe Tsung killed Kung Lao, and Troll Chi killed Kitana.

I always wondered why Kitana fought Quan Chi in MKDA. Like Raiden where the fuck were you?

Anyway yeah, I wouldn't put too much emphasis on the story mode fights. A lot of them were ridiculous. Didn't Stryker beat Kintaro? Yeah calling bullshit.

Also did anyone else find it odd that no one killed Reptile, Baraka, and Sheeva?

/OTCSB

Although Kitana is a blast to play as, her special move, "pretty legs" special is very underwhelming, I thought for a while I was just doing a kick combo, her original pretty kicks special was so much better.

I dunno, I think the Pretty Kicks look better now, it's definitely more believable looking than that floaty waist-twisting-back-and-forth-like-an-action-figure bike kick it was in Deadly Alliance.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who thought her DA-Pretty Kick looked like someone filming action figures in stop motion.

I think NRS is trying to get rid of oldie characters instead they want someone new with cool style/fight/move.

This should end this ridiculous "who's better than who" argument. Trying to cite these Story Mode fights as factual evidence is just flat out inaccurate. A point you conveniently ignored Queve.

You realize we're talking about who brought us Mokap, Meat, and Chameleon among others, right?

I agree they do look more realistic, but they don't come off as a special move to me, they look like a normal combo move to me, the pretty kicks as odd as they may look just seemed more impressive.

There's not necessarily any rule that says a special move has to look magical. Look at Scorpion's leg trip thing, or Jax's grapples, or all the air throws. And the line between normal move and special move keeps blurring more and more as they add more moves and unique combos to each character.

I like the new Pretty Kick much better. It looks way better and much more natural. I just like how in MK Armageddon it was 4 kicks, left right left right or right left right left, I cant remember. I wish the basic Pretty Kick was 4 kicks in this game too. But it has to be enhanced to be 4 kicks.

Just a minor complaint to Kitana's almost perfection of a gameplay style.

Im also disappointed that she doesnt have the Pixie Dust. But at least its in her Xray. The new Square Wave kinda replaces her teleport anyway.

I can't really understand where people are coming from whenever someone complains "I wish this move was still just a special move", when for instance they put Kitana's teleport in her X-Ray, Sonya's bike kick in her's, and Johnny's Shadow Uppercut in the enhanced Flipkick and Breaker. They're still in the game, the character still does them, it's not like they've lost any of their superpowers or whatever, they simply didn't NEED to be a regular move too because then shit gets repetitive.

A move doesn't have to look magical to be a special move, all I'm saying is that its underwhelming. Kano and Jax's command grabs I like a lot and they are impressive, they actually feel like special moves to me,

I just think special moves should be something more distinct from regular moves, like for example, Sonya's leg grab isn't a magical special, but I'd say its a much more impacting attack thank Sonya doing a kick combo and it is very distinct and more fitting for a special move.

I don't see it as that big of an issue though anyway, her enhanced version is much bettter and more along the lines of what I'd expect to see from it.

My only complaint regarding Kitana's gameplay is that her X-ray is glitched (at least online).

Basically, if you do the X-ray and get hit by a projectile (before she teleports) she'll stay frozen in place and you can't move, can't block, can't do anything except wait for your opponent to hit you. Not to mention that your entire super meter gets drained and the X-ray does only about 8% damage (that first projectile hit) instead of 31%.

This cost me a match last night. I wouldn't have gotten as mad if I hadn't been playing some jerk who likes to post $hit in the chat room.


I can't believe they release a gameplay patch and do not patch Kitana's and Cage's X-ray. Bravo...

Does everyone still hate Kitana's alternate costume? I used to not like it at all, but it grew on me and now I love it and almost always use her alternate now. Still use the primary too though.

I don't know about everyone else but I personally still hate it. And her primary. I can't wait for the retro to be released. I'm not really a huge fan of that look either but I much rather it to the costumes she was given.