Until you start making some sense I will answer your question =/

salbeinit Wrote: in the bio of rai sais that he was on the lin kuei with sub-zero,but what the hell was he doing on the earth?.

According to the instruction manuals on UMK3 and MKT:

UMK3 STORY:
Born of Kitana's former world of Edenia, Rain was smuggled away from the realm as a small child shortly after Shao Kahn's take over. Thousands of years later he resurfaced. His allegiance belonging to Kahn, he chose to betray his homeland rather than suffer at the hands of Kahn's extermination Squads.


MKT STORY:
Rain is an assassin working freelance. He was once a member of the Lin Kuei along with Sub-Zero, but left the clan under mysterious curcumstances. years later, Rain is found working for Shao Kahn as an assassin in the Outworld. Born a human, he finds himself questioning his loyalty towards Kahn after watching the invasion of Earth.

I really don't know what to believe. But seeing how MKT came after UMK3 (making MKT the more updated version of the storyline) I guess he was with the LK. You can actually tie the two story lines together and it would still make sense. But who the hell knows besides the MK Team? Just something to ask on the next chat with Ed Boon.

Why, so he can bullshit his way out of another mess up?

balkcsiaboot Wrote: Just something to ask on the next chat with Ed Boon.

MaRcElunbeatable Wrote: Until you start making some sense I will answer your question =/ salbeinit Wrote: in the bio of rai sais that he was on the lin kuei with sub-zero,but what the hell was he doing on the earth?.

You sure got some balls saying that to him Marcel, seeing as how you yourself are barely STARTING to write COMPLETELY coherent posts.

And Salbeinit, what BS wrote is right on the money.

Unfortunately, what Niko wrote is right as well

balkcsiaboot Wrote: According to the instruction manuals on UMK3 and MKT: UMK3 STORY: Born of Kitana's former world of Edenia, Rain was smuggled away from the realm as a small child shortly after Shao Kahn's take over. Thousands of years later he resurfaced. His allegiance belonging to Kahn, he chose to betray his homeland rather than suffer at the hands of Kahn's extermination Squads. MKT STORY: Rain is an assassin working freelance. He was once a member of the Lin Kuei along with Sub-Zero, but left the clan under mysterious curcumstances. years later, Rain is found working for Shao Kahn as an assassin in the Outworld. Born a human, he finds himself questioning his loyalty towards Kahn after watching the invasion of Earth. I really don't know what to believe. But seeing how MKT came after UMK3 (making MKT the more updated version of the storyline) I guess he was with the LK. You can actually tie the two story lines together and it would still make sense. But who the hell knows besides the MK Team? Just something to ask on the next chat with Ed Boon.

his psx mkt bio is the same as the umk3 bio. the mkt n64 is the only bio that said he was a member of the lin kuei.

some peices do connect, and then some dont.
i can see how he was born in edenia and then was smuggled as a child because in mkm thats how it explaines how warriors are chosen at birth.
but then in his umk3 bio it says hes edenian..him mkt says hes human. i know hes technically "human" but they make it sound like he was born on earth and is pissed at kahn for invading...hard to tell, lol.

Must you criticize my post/s all the time?

MKSECRETS Wrote: You sure got some balls saying that to him Marcel, seeing as how you yourself are barely STARTING to write COMPLETELY coherent posts.

Just to clear it all up, the official story is about him being taken out of Edenia,his Lin Kuei storyline is invalid and wrong. MKT was originally supposed to have Tremor as a character and the Lin Kuei story was supposed to be given to him but they never took out the story when they took out Tremor, and they just put it with Rain in the manuals. If you need further proof, just look at the ingame bio, Rain's bio will be the one that says he was smuggled out of Edenia.

That's interesting...if its true.

subzero961 Wrote: Just to clear it all up, the official story is about him being taken out of Edenia,his Lin Kuei storyline is invalid and wrong. MKT was originally supposed to have Tremor as a character and the Lin Kuei story was supposed to be given to him but they never took out the story when they took out Tremor, and they just put it with Rain in the manuals. If you need further proof, just look at the ingame bio, Rain's bio will be the one that says he was smuggled out of Edenia.

MKT was originally supposed to have Tremor as a character


Do you have any proof of this? I followed MKT's development as far back as when it wasn't even called MKT and I never saw a mention of Tremor. Tremor didn't even debut until years later in MKSF. Plus that story doesn't even match Tremor's.

Tremor was apart of the Black Dragon clan, Kano's clan I believe.

Where are you people getting his UMK3 story from? He wasn't even a real character in that game. You couldn't pplay as him or play against him. He was just a joke in demo for the game.

If he does have any real story then the only place it would be is in MKT. I would go with whatever it says in that as there is nothing else written about him anywhere, certainly not in connection with UMK3.

Rain was in UMK3; he made it onto the Genesis and SNES versions of the game. Maybe he was supposed to be a secret character in the other UMK3 versions, but they didn't have time to put him in and give him his own attacks.

rain wasnt suppose to be in any original versions of umk3 (arcade and saturn). the only reason he was in the snes and genesis versions was because of mkt (plus they took out sheeva and animalities and added the brutalities from mkt) lol they even left the menu kodes from mk3 pretty much untouched. they wanted most of the mkt fighters to have a story. (except for the ones who really wasnt suppose to be there or suppose to have one. and as far as the booklet goes, never trust them. they usually print something wrong in them. lol i remember an mk book that had the wrong ninja pic for ermac (i forget which version's booklet it was). i only go by whats in the game's bios

oh and i forgot to mention that sega got the exclusive rights for the arcade port of umk3, thats why the playstation and n64 didnt get it. thats part of the reason why mkt even existed. umk3 had to be different from the saturn version because of the exclusive deal so they altered it by doin the things i mentioned above.

inviladnoobwarrior Wrote: oh and i forgot to mention that sega got the exclusive rights for the arcade port of umk3, thats why the playstation and n64 didnt get it. thats part of the reason why mkt even existed. umk3 had to be different from the saturn version because of the exclusive deal so they altered it by doin the things i mentioned above.

Where did all this info come from? I remember reports in mags that just said that there was no UMK3 for PSX because they had MK3 and were planning MKT already. Saturn got UMK3 because making games for Saturn tended to take so much longer then other systems so they would either have a really late MK3 or a right on time UMK3 (and consequently a really late MKT).

inviladnoobwarrior Wrote: (plus they took out sheeva and animalities and added the brutalities from mkt) bios

lol yeah, and they even left the code for sheeva in UMK3 for SNES. If you did random select in tournament battle eventually you'd get a question mark and you'd play as a character made of a couple of tiny dots with all of Sheeva's moves who was insanely fast because it was just Sheeva sans graphics. I always got a kick out of that.

Where did all this info come from?


I'm almost positive it's true. As far as I know(and I followed MKT's release extensively) they never said that it was made to bypass Sega's contract for UMK3 out right...but it's pretty obvious that was the case.

Sony got a deal with Midway to publish MK3 for PSX and have it released before the others and for it to be the only version for the 32/64 bit consoles for a certain ammount of time. We know this is true. It was all over the press and Sony made a pretty big deal about it. They originally wanted it for the PSX's US launch but it was delayed. It ended up coming out about a month before the 16 bit ports.

BTW, Sony's hands on involvement with MK3(as publisher) is why the PSX port has different box art and had different print ads than the 16 bit ports.


For a while it was heavily rumored UMK3 would come to PSX via an expansion pack. Nothing was annouced, but it was in all the rumor sections from the press.


Right after MK3 came out for home systems Sega annouced they had UMK3 exclusive for Saturn. Like with MK3, it was only for a certain amount of time(6 months).


That's when info about what would later become MKT started coming in. It had the working title of "MK 3 Plus" for a really long time. I believe the first unveiling of it with images and the name "MK Trilogy" was at E3 96.


So basically MKT came into existance right after Sega made the deal. I seriously doubt that is a coincidence.



I don't know how I can prove it to you though, except to say check any old mags you have. It was a pretty hot topic back then so you should be able to find some of what I said in them. Also, you could do an advanced groups google search for newsgroups postings around that time(try like december 1995 through May 1996). A lot of it is misinformation, but you'll probably see a lot of people talking about it.

all of what i said and what you said is true. but dream you are right about 1 thing, the saturn was hard to program for. i wont elaborate on it but what sakura said about the exclusiveness of mk3 for playstation and umk3 being exclusive for the saturn thing is true. and as for mkt, thats true as well. midway didnt wanna leave out the n64 (and later the ps1, cause at first mkt was gonna just come out on n64) cause of the number of people who owned those systems. the n64 was a hard system to program for as well, but not as hard as the saturn. thats why mkt for the saturn ended up coming out a year later than the other versions. the only company who really appreciated the saturn was capcom, seeing as it was the only system at the time that could handle all of their 2d games, even if it needed alittle boost (the 1meg ram cart for marvel super heroes and the 4meg ram cart for the 2 vs games). if it wasnt for the exclusive deals floating around for those systems then mkt might not have even existed.....

I have no proof, I know where I heard it from though. If any of you remember fatsatan's MK Outworld site from awhile back, (not up anymore that Im aware of) he had that listed as a miscallenous info on Tremor, and I think anyone who knew fatsatan can say he is a pretty legit guy, he didnt go around just saying stuff, but yeah that is where I heard it from.

Sakura Wrote: MKT was originally supposed to have Tremor as a character Do you have any proof of this? I followed MKT's development as far back as when it wasn't even called MKT and I never saw a mention of Tremor. Tremor didn't even debut until years later in MKSF. Plus that story doesn't even match Tremor's.

MaRcElunbeatable Wrote: Until you start making some sense I will answer your question =/

Well that was uh...ironically stupid.


As for the matter at hand, in MKDA, Konquest mode mentions Rain being in Edenia working for the princess (I think so, anyway), so I take it that his Edenia bio is the official one.

Saturn was only hard to program in 3D. It was basically a 2D machine that they jammed some slightly crap 3D into. It was hard to do 3D because it wasn't in the original design spec.

thats partially true as well. but it was also hard to program in 2D because at the time none of the programmers could get it done right because of the 3 processors inside the saturn. thats part of the reason why most companies didnt wanna make that many games for it. 3D was harder to program for than 2D tho.

Sega wouldn't share the Saturn programming engine with any 3rd party software developpers.

inviladnoobwarrior Wrote: thats partially true as well. but it was also hard to program in 2D because at the time none of the programmers could get it done right because of the 3 processors inside the saturn. thats part of the reason why most companies didnt wanna make that many games for it. 3D was harder to program for than 2D tho.

Zentile Wrote: Well that was uh...ironically stupid.

Well that was uh...pointless.