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Well thanks to a stupid show called Mortal Kombat Conquest there are, oh fuck if I know... maybe 6 or 7 stupid Sub-Zero the Uber Leetnor 6th, and Sub-Zero the Master of Ice the Original in MKC. Fucking stupid show.

According to the games there are two like Satan said.

balkcsiaboot Wrote: Well thanks to a stupid show called Mortal Kombat Conquest there are, oh fuck if I know... maybe 6 or 7 stupid Sub-Zero the Uber Leetnor 6th, and Sub-Zero the Master of Ice the Original in MKC. Fucking stupid show. According to the games there are two like Satan said.

which episode of conquest was this said? i have most of them. i always heard that the "6 sub-zeros" came about cause someone had written some mk stories on their site and it spread..but i dont know.

but yea, there are only 2 sub-zero's.

Well if there ARE only two sub-zeros, the fact that MKC is lying bull shit still remains. I don't see how Sub-Zero could have lived that long until the MK1 game and still look that young and be 32 according to the official comic.

well was the mk1 subzero ever in another MK?

balkcsiaboot Wrote: Well if there ARE only two sub-zeros, the fact that MKC is lying bull shit still remains. I don't see how Sub-Zero could have lived that long until the MK1 game and still look that young and be 32 according to the official comic.

Generally when I have seen discussions of storyline here, the game is the only reliable source. No comics, no movies, good lord no shows. I honestly think thats the best way to see the story, so thats why I also believe, 2 sub zeros and it isnt that big of a stretch to believe.

BlackSaibot, MKC and the games do not connect, so Sub-Zero from MKC didn't ''stay young till the mk comic''. According to the series, Sub-Zero was the descendant of some generation of people with powers or something. He was also ageless for some reason, so I take it they meant he was the same from the MK Movie, though they defenetly did not match at all (the way they fought, etc).
In the games, there are only two sub-zeroes. In the movies/series, there are aparantly three or two.

There have been 3 in the game.

There is the one that participated in the first tournament and was killed by Scorpion.

There is the younger brother who is in II and then unmasks and is in 3, 4 and DA.

And then there is the "Classic Sub-Zero" in UMK3, Advance and MKT. It is NOT the older brother back from the dead. People always say it is but it is NOT. His ending specifically says that everyone thought it was but it turns out to be someone else, someone long dead who will return. He didn't return and they never revealed who it was. So whatever.

ColdBlooded Wrote: well was the mk1 subzero ever in another MK?

I'm not sure, but it may have been him in MK Mythologies.

Too many

Subzero in MK trilogy is the original. Every Character from MK1 - MK3 are in the trilogy.

Sakura Wrote: There have been 3 in the game. There is the one that participated in the first tournament and was killed by Scorpion. There is the younger brother who is in II and then unmasks and is in 3, 4 and DA. And then there is the "Classic Sub-Zero" in UMK3, Advance and MKT. It is NOT the older brother back from the dead. People always say it is but it is NOT. His ending specifically says that everyone thought it was but it turns out to be someone else, someone long dead who will return. He didn't return and they never revealed who it was. So whatever.

3???

there have only been 2.

the orginal sub-zero appeared in mkmsz and mk1. he was killed and his brother rplaced him in mk2-present.

the "classic" sub that you speak of is the mk2 (younger) sub-zero. read the mkt book...it says classic sub-zero(mkII)

everyone bitched about sub being unmasked and wanted him to look like he did in mk2, so, in umk3/mkt they added classic sub-zero...and not only that, it allowed for more characters.

his story was told that way to make the character seem interesting...and so that the other sub character(unmasked) didnt share the same storyline.

Subzero_5th Wrote: Subzero in MK trilogy is the original. Every Character from MK1 - MK3 are in the trilogy.

nope.

the "classic" sub that you speak of is the mk2 (younger) sub-zero. read the mkt book...it says classic sub-zero(mkII)


No, it isn't. Ignore the booklet. The booklet just reprints Sub's MK II bio word for word. Read his ending. It's not the same guy and it's not the older brother. It's someone else long missing.


"Having been killed in the first tournament, Sub-Zero somehow seems to have emerged to win the third tournament. However, upon removing his mask
both the Outworld and the Earth-born warriors are shocked to discover the true identity of this warrior. A warrior who has long been missing from a previous Mortal Kombat, and one who will return in the fourth tournament."


There it is.


In the N64 version of MKT both UMK3 Sub's have their stories mixed up. He has the unmasked's intro story, but the "Classic Sub-Zero" ending. Makes no sense.

Sakura Wrote: No, it isn't. Ignore the booklet. The booklet just reprints Sub's MK II bio word for word. Read his ending. It's not the same guy and it's not the older brother. It's someone else long missing. "Having been killed in the first tournament, Sub-Zero somehow seems to have emerged to win the third tournament. However, upon removing his mask both the Outworld and the Earth-born warriors are shocked to discover the true identity of this warrior. A warrior who has long been missing from a previous Mortal Kombat, and one who will return in the fourth tournament." There it is. In the N64 version of MKT both UMK3 Sub's have their stories mixed up. He has the unmasked's intro story, but the "Classic Sub-Zero" ending. Makes no sense.

i never said anything about the booklet..i said BOOK..all the mkt giudes say classic sub-zero (mkII) which is why he has his mk2 bio...they changed his ending to make him seem interesting...the umk3 story matches the mkt subs (ps) story..... the mkt (n64) story doesnt cause its both of the sub-zero characters in one.

Yes it is. besides they have his named labeled as Classic Subzero. So its him

i never said anything about the booklet..i said BOOK..all the mkt giudes say classic sub-zero (mkII) which is why he has his mk2 bio

The MKDA strategy guide says Liu Kang won MKM. Is that right too? Who cares what a guide said: The in-game ending makes it clear it's not the younger brother.

Guides and the booklet reprint the MK II bio because there's nothing else to print. CSZ never got a bio.


...they changed his ending to make him seem interesting...


....and? I don't see the point here. It doesn't matter why they wrote the ending. The fact is they did and that's what we have to go off of. You're like ignoring the ending. It's not like a rewording of unmasked's. Seriously, read it. It's a TOTALLY different story. In the ending it's made clear it is not the brothers, but some mystery man. Granted the story was dropped for MK4, but that doesn't make it any less legit in UMK3/MKT.


Being named "Classic Sub-Zero" means nothing. Did you bother to read the ending? In it everyone think it's the old school Sub but when he removes the mask it turns out to be someone else.

I agree with Sakura here... there have technically been three Sub-Zero's if you count Classic Sub-Zero from UMK/MKT. As she posted Classic Sub-Zero's ending reveals that he isn't the dead Sub-Zero from MK1 that was slain by Scorpion but a different warrior. Just because you don't like the idea of three Sub-Zero's doesn't make it false. Storyline wise that Sub-Zero will probably never be seen again. He was just there to make the people who liked MKII Sub-Zero happy when playing UMK3 and MKT.

Sakura Wrote: i never said anything about the booklet..i said BOOK..all the mkt giudes say classic sub-zero (mkII) which is why he has his mk2 bio The MKDA strategy guide says Liu Kang won MKM. Is that right too? Who cares what a guide said: The in-game ending makes it clear it's not the younger brother. Guides and the booklet reprint the MK II bio because there's nothing else to print. CSZ never got a bio. ...they changed his ending to make him seem interesting... ....and? I don't see the point here. It doesn't matter why they wrote the ending. The fact is they did and that's what we have to go off of. You're like ignoring the ending. It's not like a rewording of unmasked's. Seriously, read it. It's a TOTALLY different story. In the ending it's made clear it is not the brothers, but some mystery man. Granted the story was dropped for MK4, but that doesn't make it any less legit in UMK3/MKT. Being named "Classic Sub-Zero" means nothing. Did you bother to read the ending? In it everyone think it's the old school Sub but when he removes the mask it turns out to be someone else.

ever heard of a printing error??? the mkda guide is full of them.

i dont have to read the ending smart ass..i know it by heart. i have pics of it, i could play the game and read it and it wouldnt matter to you cause your blinded by you own opnion and fail to see the truth in front of you.

EVERY fucking mkt book i have (4) says its the mk2 sub-zero. ed boon himself mentioned in a magazine (psm i believe..could have been egm) that was if fact ment to be the mk2 version of sub-zero, which is why they call him classic sub-zero.(hell, they even have a background in umk3 named classic subzero)...where do you think i got the text "we changed his story to make him interesting"???? he said "we thought it would be cool to have both masked and unmased versions of the character in the game, so we brough back the mk2 sub-zero"

if anyone has this mag, please send Sakura a scan of it so he can at least have a clue as to what im, and himself, is talking about. (its either in psm or egm from 1996)

Threre are 2 Sub-Zeros, Ill list there appearances:

MKMSZ-Older Sub-Zero
MK1-Older Sub-Zero
MK2-Younger Sub-Zero
MK3-Younger Sub-Zero
UMK3/MKT-Both Sub-Zero's *
MK4/Gold-Younger Sub-Zero
MKDA/TE-Younger Sub-Zero

*= There are theories out there that says that the older Sub-Zero may be a entirely different person, I tend to disagree as I dont see who it could possibly be.

im just going on what ed said in the mag. this doesnt reflect my opnion...according to classic subs story, it sounds like hes the orginal sub from mkm/mk1. and every one is shocked to have learned his true identity. i dont see whats so confusing about it. all the mkt books say mk2 sub..ed said its the mk2 sub...but the story suggests the orginal (it says orginal in the mkt manual as well)..so, thats the only thing thats confusing me, cause boon says one thing and the game suggests something else...i dont get where some people think its someone different. its either the orginal, or just another version of the younger brother...anyone who thinks differently is on crack cause the story fits the orginal sub-zero...but, its supposed to be the mk2 sub.

ahhhhhhh

Just because you don't like the idea of three Sub-Zero's doesn't makeit false. Storyline wise that Sub-Zero will probably never be seenagain. He was just there to make the people who liked MKII Sub-Zerohappy when playing UMK3 and MKT



Yes, exactly. Just because it was a stupid storyline just to have a second Sub in UMK3 doesn't mean it should be ignored.


i dont have to read the ending smart ass..i know it by heart. ihave pics of it, i could play the game and read it and it wouldntmatter to you cause your blinded by you own opnion and fail to see thetruth in front of you.


If you know the ending by heart why do say the ending makes it out to be the older one from MK1? That is not the case. Who is the one blind here? I am going by exact in game quotes from UMK3/MKT. You're going by a mysterious interview from a magazine and strategy guides. There is no speculation on my part here. There is no theory. Everything I have said is simply right there in the ending.



EVERY fucking mkt book i have (4) says its the mk2 sub-zero. ed boon himself mentioned in a magazine (psm i believe..could have been egm) that was if fact ment to be the mk2 version of sub-zero, which is why they call him classic sub-zero.(hell, they even have a background in umk3 named classic subzero)...where do you think i got the text "we changed his story to make him interesting"???? he said "we thought it would be cool to have both masked and unmased versions of the character in the game, so we brough back the mk2 sub-zero"


Obviously they made the character so they could have two Sub-Zero's. I haven't said otherwise. I haven't been like "they made him to be this awesome new main character that was going to be huge!". He was put in to be yet another palatte swap ninja and to have a masked Sub, yes, but that doesn't mean he is to be ignored. You don't ignore Noob because he is halfassed and rushed.

Again, for whatever reason, they gave the unmasked one his own story. You conceed this yourself with "they changed his story to make him more interesting". They didn't just mix it up a bit and have Sektor beat him or something, they completely changed the story to make it a 3rd person who's identity would be revealed later(though it never was).

Let's break the ending down.


"Having been killed in the first tournament, Sub-Zero somehow seems to have emerged to win the third tournament. However, upon removing his mask
both the Outworld and the Earth-born warriors are shocked to discover the true identity of this warrior. A warrior who has long been missing from a previous Mortal Kombat, and one who will return in the fourth tournament."

Ok....


Having been killed in the first tournament, Sub-Zero somehow seems to have emerged to win the third tournament.


Ok, so it's just saying it's the older brother(like most think) and yet he won, despite being dead....


However, upon removing his mask
both the Outworld and the Earth-born warriors are shocked to discover the true identity of this warrior.


Notice the keyword "however". That shows it obviously is not the older brother.

Anyway, everyone is shocked at his identity. So it's not the older brother(they all thought it was him).


A warrior who has long been missing from a previous Mortal Kombat, and one who will return in the fourth tournament


....and it's not the younger, since he hasn't long been missing.

So who is it? I have no idea. That's another topic for another day. I doubt even the MK team knows who it was supposed to be. I'm guessing they just made it to give him a story then figured they'd reveal it later and just either forgot about it or didn't care.

youre arguement is pointless. where are you getting that its a 3rd person??

"Having been killed in the first tournament, Sub-Zero somehow seems to have emerged to win the third tournament. However, upon removing his mask
both the Outworld and the Earth-born warriors are shocked to discover the true identity of this warrior. A warrior who has long been missing from a previous Mortal Kombat, and one who will return in the fourth tournament."


the ending DOES NOT matter, cause it never happened. the endings dont mean squat until the next game, in this case mk4, so it obviously never took place. classic sub-zero, is a reference to the mk1/mkm sub-zero,(imo..bonn says mk2) cause thats the only one that was in mk1.
"Anyway, everyone is shocked at his identity. So it's not the older brother(they all thought it was him)."
and youre wrong there...no one knew his identity..so how would they know if it was or wasnt???all the "shock" simply means they were shocked to learn his true identity...is that hard to comprehend? hes lin kuei..no one knew his true identity, so yea, people are gonna be shocked to see who the person really is.