It didn't happen, correct. That doesn't mean it's not the same guy under the mask. Likewise, just because Scorpion didn't win MK1 doesn't mean he isn't a hellspawned spectre. He is still a mystery man under the mask wether the ending happened or not. It's not like because it didn't happen he suddenly becomes someone else in the UMK3 story.

The ending says Sub-Zero from MK1 seems to have won "however" when he removes the mask everyone is shocked to see his true identity. Why would everyone be shocked if it was in fact just the guy from MK1 and why would it say "however" after saying the guy from MK1 had won?


"Thought to have been killed in MK1 old school Sub-Zero somehow won MK3. However the warriors are shocked when he removes his mask and they find out who it really is".

That makes no sense. They already thought it was the old school Sub! As for how they knew it wasn't when they had never seen his face before? Who knows? Whoever WAS under the mask must have obviously not been the MK1 Sub so they just knew.


You're all over the place in this thread. Your guide says it's the younger brother. You claim the ending is saying it's the older. Then you say the ending doesn't matter. Which is it? You seem to have no stance except coming up with new reasons that mine is wrong? Why are you so intent on going against what the ending says?

"You're all over the place in this thread. Your guide says it's the younger brother. You claim the ending is saying it's the older. Then you say the ending doesn't matter. Which is it? You seem to have no stance except coming up with new reasons that mine is wrong? Why are you so intent on going against what the ending says?"

my stance is clear.

the guides say "classic sub-zero (mkII)" ed boon said it was the mk2 sub...the story suggests its the mk1 sub. and i dont "claim" anything, i said in my opnion, its the mk1 sub. (says orginal in the mkt manual)and yes i said the endings dont matter, cause they dont. the only ones that did was liu kangs up until mk4, then scorpions ending takes place.

and if youve payed attention, im not going aginst the ending. im going with what its saying..that its the sub from mk1 and he has removed his mask and every one is shocked to learn his identity.

are you telling me that if you knew some one for about 10 years..and they always wore a mask..you have never seen their face, you wouldnt be shocked when he removed his mask and you saw who he was in his true identity??..i know i would.

i know this is off the topic, but in wrestling, kane got unmasked a while back..and everyone was shocked to learn his true identity...the same thing goes for sub-zero.

the guides say "classic sub-zero (mkII)" ed boon said it was the mk2 sub...the story suggests its the mk1 sub. and i dont "claim" anything, i said in my opnion, its the mk1 sub. (says orginal in the mkt manual)and yes i said the endings dont matter, cause they dont.


What story suggests it's the MK1 Sub? If the ending "doesn't count" what are you basing it on?

The booklet says "original" while having the MK II bio. That makes no sense.


and if youve payed attention, im not going aginst the ending. im going with what its saying..that its the sub from mk1 and he has removed his mask and every one is shocked to learn his identity.


The ending says it was thought to be the original but everyone is shocked when they see who it is.


are you telling me that if you knew some one for about 10 years..and they always wore a mask..you have never seen their face, you wouldnt be shocked when he removed his mask and you saw who he was in his true identity??..i know i would.


That's not what it's saying! It's saying MK1 Sub seems to have come back from the dead, however when he removes the mask it's someone else.



i know this is off the topic, but in wrestling, kane got unmasked a while back..and everyone was shocked to learn his true identity...the same thing goes for sub-zero.


Not really. It's more like if Kane had unmasked and revealed it was Hogan under the mask.


YOU are the one not paying attention.

It does NOT say "Sub-Zero from MK1 won MK3, removed his mask and shocked everyone by revealing who he was all this time".

It says "Apparently Sub from MK1 won MK3 however when he takes off the mask it's someone else, someone long missing".

every one has their own opnion. mine doesnt match the mkt books opnion..or does it??..lol

the whole thing is confusing..the books and magazines say mk2 sub, but has a mk1 sub type ending..the manual says orginal sub, but has the mk2 bio..if ed and john was wanting to create confusion, they certinly did.

i guess we will never no the true answer..i think we should shut up and let others post..lol

sorry but, if you look in the mkm:s-z booklet, you will notice that there is six sub-zero's but only two were ever able to be played, this reason is in the mkm:s-z booklet on page 19 (ps1), it says this in the entirety "sub-zero learned of his ability as a young adult. it was passed on to him by his father, a FOURTH GENERATION lin kuei warrior himself. among his first missions blah blah blah you get idea" here it says sub-zeros father is the fourth sub-zero, meaning the eldest brother is the 5th and the youngest is the sixth.

no it states that his father was a fouth generation lin kui warrior that controlled ice

doesn't make him a sub-zero

oh ok

ok here we go. I say that both Sakura and scorpio are right in some spects of what they say.

so scorpio says that there is only two and that the new ending for classic sub is just for fun and not really real.

I have MKT for the N64 but not the one for the PS because I would rather have faster gameplay and no load time. the thing is if I am correct they have both unmasked and masked sub zero's with two different endings wich supports Sakuras theory. But the N64 version has only the masked sub zero with the new strange ending in turn supporting scorpio's theory because why have two of the same sub zero in a game. But then that brings up the idea of what is the official MKT. the one for the 64 or the one for the PS. if any one can clear this up it might help for this disscussion.

also with that the masked sub in the 64 verson has the moves of the un-masked sub zero except for the fatalities. The PS verson has two sub zero's with completely different moves.

64 version gives points to scorpio
PS version gives points to sakura

then the PS version has all the playable classic characters. so could it be that there is not 3 subs because that could hint to the classic sub just being a cool playable extra playable charater like with the alternate costume stuff. point given to scorpio

but then for the last bit of points they would have to go to sakura because of the way the endings are worded.

The "which MKT is official" topic is confusing and nonsensical.

You would think the N64 would be the unofficial one, as it's the odd one out. It's not just PSX that has two Subs, the PC and Saturn ports do too and of course there's two subs in every version of UMK3 and the two in MK Advance. More importantly, the robot ninja's stories make no sense if the unmasked Sub-Zero is not in the game.

The problem is DA mentions Khameleon and information from her story which is only in the N64 port.


So it's weird. I guess you could say both are official in their own ways. Khameleon is official but the two Subs is official from the PSX version.

It's a well known fact that Ed Boon likes to play mind games with people. Ermac in MK1, The Kano Transformation in MK2, Nightwolf's Friendship in MK3, the Khan/Reiko paradox in MK4, the Khameleon reference in MK5 are all things that Boon will not give a straight answer to. For all we know Classic Sub-Zero could be Goro in diguise. He is the only character that hadn't made an appearance since MK1. It really is irrelevent.

The game creators can do what ever they want and don't have to follow the rules. If they want to they can make it so that Liu Kang is Kano in MK6. They can also play the Kano owns the Dragon kings army. IMHO the path they are going to take is the Drahmin/Quan Chi being, Shang Tsung is dead, Kung Lao won, Dragon King lives as Reptile, and Shao Khan's spirit is infused into Hsu Haos dead body. I know it's probably another joke but Hsu Hao makes many references to Shao Khan. His name, his first hand to hand style (SHuai chiAO), a Sun Moon combo called The Kahn, and a special move called Kahn Klap. Again, it's probably just a reference and nothing more.

Stylz-XXR Wrote: For all we know Classic Sub-Zero could be Goro in diguise. He is the only character that hadn't made an appearance since MK1. It really is irrelevent.

goro was playable in mkt. goros twice the size of a normal human. i doubt he can fit into a tiny ninja suit. not to mention he has 4 arms...
the only character to never make an appearence since mk1 was the orginal sub-zero.

KHan is not kAHn

do u see the differences

anyway..ony 2 subs...leave it at that

mister_satan666 Wrote: no it states that his father was a fouth generation lin kui warrior that controlled ice doesn't make him a sub-zero

Didn't it also state something about him being named Sub-Zero? I'm pretty sure of it.

Sub-Zero_7th Wrote: Didn't it also state something about him being named Sub-Zero? I'm pretty sure of it.

no.

Goro's appearance in MKT is non-canon. Neither Goro or Kintaro were actually around during Kahn's invasion of Earth. They have no stories or endings in that game and are only there for completions sake.

On the Sub-Zero's:

MKC/Movies = I am sure you didn't mean this storyline, but according to MKC, the "first" Sub-Zero appeared over 500 years ago and it is apparently not the same one as in the MK1 movie. If each Sub-Zero has a son named Sub-Zero, then they each have to live to be 100 years old and then become a father at that time (a little far-fetched, even by MK standards). This is just to get to have 6 Sub-Zero's.

Games = 2 Sub-Zero's
MKM/MK1 (MKT?) = Older
MK2/MK3/MK4/MKDA = Younger

The MKM manual confirms both Sub-Zeros are 5th generation Lin Kuei warriors; HOWEVER, the MKM website said that the "older" Sub-Zero was the "next" in line to take the name Sub-Zero. This line was taken out for the manuals, meaning it probably has no bearing on the actual story.

How do you explain the ending for the "Classic" Sub-Zero in UMK3/MKT? The ending basically states that he isn't the old Sub-Zero from MK1 whom was slain by Scopion. Not to mention Sub-Zero from MK1 didn't have the ground freeze. That was a move from MK2 and as everyone knows the Sub-Zero in MK2 was the younger brother who was already in the game as the "Unmasked" Sub-Zero. Granted "Classic" Sub-Zero will probably never be seen again in any game it still doesn't change the fact that there have been three men named Sub-Zero with the power to manipulate ice in MK.

]0MBAT Wrote: Games = 2 Sub-Zero's MKM/MK1 (MKT?) = Older MK2/MK3/MK4/MKDA = Younger