Human Smoke nationality? (Part 2)
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Human Smoke nationality? (Part 2)
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posted01/21/2009 11:59 PM (UTC)by

Continuing this thread...
Actually, it has been seen in his MK3/UMK3/MKT ending:

But can you tell if he is like Cyrax or is that because of the shadow?
And does he look Chinese?
Jerrod Wrote:
Exactly; Smoke's human form has never been seen unmasked, so nobody knows his nationality.
Icebaby Wrote:
Neither, as his nationality has not been specified in any of his bios.
Neither, as his nationality has not been specified in any of his bios.
Exactly; Smoke's human form has never been seen unmasked, so nobody knows his nationality.
Actually, it has been seen in his MK3/UMK3/MKT ending:


But can you tell if he is like Cyrax or is that because of the shadow?
And does he look Chinese?

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So I was wrong about his human form not being revealed... But with the way the head is positioned, the shadows all over the body, and the random bits that have him look a bit cybernetic in his human form, it's hard to even identify him as any nationality.
He could be dark skinned, but fairer than Cyrax, or with a tan, or just looking darker because of the way the picture is. It's possible that they even made his skin tone this kind of blend an made the picture dark to avoid having him be identified as a specific nationality/person, which caused a fuck-up with regards to Sub-Zero (MK2 had his face as clear as day in his ending, and MK3 has him looking completely different unmasked).
You seriously cannot base his nationality on a picture that does not distinguish his entire face, are you? That is the poorest quality of Smoke's face to tell his nationality. Yes, he looks dark skinned, but that's because the picture itself is dark, so he could be blending in with the lighting in the picture.
But you cannot base the whole nationallity thing on that picture. You cannot see his entire face, you can't beleive that his skin might actualy be dark because it is dark in the picutre, and it's just too hard to tell.
I don't know about you, but I'm not going to beleive what kind of nationality he is unless I see a picture that shows his entire face with nothing covering it at all.
And no one should even mention the whole animated cartoon series, yes he was unmasked on that, but it's a cartoon for Christ's sake.
So, whatever kind of nationallity you're all saying, I'm doubting, becuase that's the poorest kind of a picture to reveal a nationality ever. And I'm sorry if I'm being too harsh, but, that picture's a joke.
But you cannot base the whole nationallity thing on that picture. You cannot see his entire face, you can't beleive that his skin might actualy be dark because it is dark in the picutre, and it's just too hard to tell.
I don't know about you, but I'm not going to beleive what kind of nationality he is unless I see a picture that shows his entire face with nothing covering it at all.
And no one should even mention the whole animated cartoon series, yes he was unmasked on that, but it's a cartoon for Christ's sake.
So, whatever kind of nationallity you're all saying, I'm doubting, becuase that's the poorest kind of a picture to reveal a nationality ever. And I'm sorry if I'm being too harsh, but, that picture's a joke.
Some of you most probably missed the substance of my post. Fortunately, some of you didn't.
The topic felt unfinished to me, so I thought I'll provide some material related to the discussion, to liven it up a bit. And if had been able to tell his nationality basing on that posted picture, I would have already told his race myself. I wasn't asking about his nationality judging by the screenshot, but I was asking you guys IF maybe you have any ideas on the matter when you look at the pic.
BTW, if you tell me that the picture is poor or a joke, I'll tell you that's the best there is. Try finding a better one or any other as a matter of fact. Except this one of course:

The topic felt unfinished to me, so I thought I'll provide some material related to the discussion, to liven it up a bit. And if had been able to tell his nationality basing on that posted picture, I would have already told his race myself. I wasn't asking about his nationality judging by the screenshot, but I was asking you guys IF maybe you have any ideas on the matter when you look at the pic.
BTW, if you tell me that the picture is poor or a joke, I'll tell you that's the best there is. Try finding a better one or any other as a matter of fact. Except this one of course:

Well of course that's the only picture that's out there that could help try to decifer who he really is. But the fact is that becuase his head's bowed and the lighting is dimmed, it's a useless attempt in trying to figure out who he is. Useless because there's no way you can judge who he really is.
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Mortalman Wrote:
Some of you most probably missed the substance of my post. Fortunately, some of you didn't.
The topic felt unfinished to me, so I thought I'll provide some material related to the discussion, to liven it up a bit. And if had been able to tell his nationality basing on that posted picture, I would have already told his race myself. I wasn't asking about his nationality judging by the screenshot, but I was asking you guys IF maybe you have any ideas on the matter when you look at the pic.
BTW, if you tell me that the picture is poor or a joke, I'll tell you that's the best there is. Try finding a better one or any other as a matter of fact. Except this one of course:

Some of you most probably missed the substance of my post. Fortunately, some of you didn't.
The topic felt unfinished to me, so I thought I'll provide some material related to the discussion, to liven it up a bit. And if had been able to tell his nationality basing on that posted picture, I would have already told his race myself. I wasn't asking about his nationality judging by the screenshot, but I was asking you guys IF maybe you have any ideas on the matter when you look at the pic.
BTW, if you tell me that the picture is poor or a joke, I'll tell you that's the best there is. Try finding a better one or any other as a matter of fact. Except this one of course:

the cartoon isn't canon. Cyrax was white in that show.
DrZoidberg Wrote:
the cartoon isn't canon. Cyrax was white in that show.
Mortalman Wrote:
Some of you most probably missed the substance of my post. Fortunately, some of you didn't.
The topic felt unfinished to me, so I thought I'll provide some material related to the discussion, to liven it up a bit. And if had been able to tell his nationality basing on that posted picture, I would have already told his race myself. I wasn't asking about his nationality judging by the screenshot, but I was asking you guys IF maybe you have any ideas on the matter when you look at the pic.
BTW, if you tell me that the picture is poor or a joke, I'll tell you that's the best there is. Try finding a better one or any other as a matter of fact. Except this one of course:

Some of you most probably missed the substance of my post. Fortunately, some of you didn't.
The topic felt unfinished to me, so I thought I'll provide some material related to the discussion, to liven it up a bit. And if had been able to tell his nationality basing on that posted picture, I would have already told his race myself. I wasn't asking about his nationality judging by the screenshot, but I was asking you guys IF maybe you have any ideas on the matter when you look at the pic.
BTW, if you tell me that the picture is poor or a joke, I'll tell you that's the best there is. Try finding a better one or any other as a matter of fact. Except this one of course:

the cartoon isn't canon. Cyrax was white in that show.
I'm pretty he and everyone else here knows that the cartoon is WAY off from being cannon. Half of the ninjas shown on that show were maskless at a point and I highly doubt that Ermac seriously has red hair and a gay ass strip beard.

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I have to say that I loathe the fact that Smoke is such a flat character. I really wish the MK Team built him up to be more than a bitch for other characters (Lin Kuei, Shao Kahn, Noob Saibot).
Although I agree that it would be nice to see a more developed Smoke character (in terms of personality, charisma and storyline), I think that for the sake of diversity there just have to be somebody to play the role of the supporting actor. Someone to serve other characters (Reptile is another example). So eventually I don't have a problem with his depiction. But like I said, a bit of development on the character definitely wouldn't hurt.

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Mortalman Wrote:
Although I agree that it would be nice to see a more developed Smoke character (in terms of personality, charisma and storyline), I think that for the sake of diversity there just have to be somebody to play the role of the supporting actor. Someone to serve other characters (Reptile is another example). So eventually I don't have a problem with his depiction. But like I said, a bit of development on the character definitely wouldn't hurt.
Although I agree that it would be nice to see a more developed Smoke character (in terms of personality, charisma and storyline), I think that for the sake of diversity there just have to be somebody to play the role of the supporting actor. Someone to serve other characters (Reptile is another example). So eventually I don't have a problem with his depiction. But like I said, a bit of development on the character definitely wouldn't hurt.
There are much better examples of supporting, flat characters (Kai, Hsu Hao, Meat, Reiko) but I see your point. At least Reptile interacted with more characters, and has a de-evolution story that is pretty unique. Plus, he became Onaga, literally rags to riches right there (he was no longer Reptile in that case, but hey, that's what happens when you get more money and power
I deliberately didn't use the word flat with reference to Smoke, because to me he's not. Quite the contrary, he's rather intriguing: a secret character a few times, story from the pic in first post, unexpected tag team, etc. And I feel we'll see more of him.
Moreover, what I meant was that I don't have a problem with a character not being independent. The fact that they always serve someone doesn't bother me if their story is somewhat interesting (Reptile being an example). Hsu Hao is definitely more flat of a servant and Kai isn't that engaging even as a freelancer, so go figure.
Moreover, what I meant was that I don't have a problem with a character not being independent. The fact that they always serve someone doesn't bother me if their story is somewhat interesting (Reptile being an example). Hsu Hao is definitely more flat of a servant and Kai isn't that engaging even as a freelancer, so go figure.
With the following pics, we can narrow it down to being caucasian or just plain asian, because in MK2 and UMK3/MKT he was white, and I suppose that his versus screen pose still shadows his eyes to the extent that we can't anrrow it down to one or the other.
So either white american/english or of asian descent. No way of telling at this point.



So either white american/english or of asian descent. No way of telling at this point.
I don't think these two sprites above are much of a help in telling Smoke's nationality, because they present John Turk and Daniel Pesina, who played like a dozen or so other characters. It's like saying that Cyrax is Caucasian (which we know that he's not), because he was portrayed by Sal Divita.
Therefore I don't suppose we'll know Smoke's race until we see his face designed by a graphic artist in one of the future games. Or until it's revealed in Smoke's biography/ending
Therefore I don't suppose we'll know Smoke's race until we see his face designed by a graphic artist in one of the future games. Or until it's revealed in Smoke's biography/ending
Mortalman Wrote:
I don't think these two sprites above are much of a help in telling Smoke's nationality, because they present John Turk and Daniel Pesina, who played like a dozen or so other characters. It's like saying that Cyrax is Caucasian (which we know that he's not), because he was portrayed by Sal Divita.
Therefore I don't suppose we'll know Smoke's race until we see his face designed by a graphic artist in one of the future games. Or until it's revealed in Smoke's biography/ending
I don't think these two sprites above are much of a help in telling Smoke's nationality, because they present John Turk and Daniel Pesina, who played like a dozen or so other characters. It's like saying that Cyrax is Caucasian (which we know that he's not), because he was portrayed by Sal Divita.
Therefore I don't suppose we'll know Smoke's race until we see his face designed by a graphic artist in one of the future games. Or until it's revealed in Smoke's biography/ending
Not true. Jade was balck and had was played by the same actor as Kitana and Mileena, Noob had black skin (more than a sillouhette in MKT) they can cahnge the skin color.
Vash_15 Wrote:
Not true. Jade was balck and had was played by the same actor as Kitana and Mileena, Noob had black skin (more than a sillouhette in MKT) they can cahnge the skin color.
Not true. Jade was balck and had was played by the same actor as Kitana and Mileena, Noob had black skin (more than a sillouhette in MKT) they can cahnge the skin color.
Of course they can, digitally. But now go and check if human Smoke has a different skin tone than other ninja clones. The only diverging ones are Noob Saibot (obviously) and Ermac.
Moreover, Jade was digitally darkened in MK2, but the skin of the actor who played Smoke back then wasn't altered. So he was white in the second game and both of the characters have kept their skin colours ever since.
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