We know those one for..let say...one year or something like that. But thanks anyway.

umm.... that was for the players who didn't know :D, I discovered them like a month after the game came out but I was bored so I decided to post them today, (almost a year later) anyway...

Well if you are looking for strong juggles those are terrible. However, if you are looking for flash then I like the first 2...the kori one is kinda..bland though no offense.

With Kori I like go into Konqrr mode and do 3,cs,b+2,cs,d+3~cs~2 for flash. When it comes to damage I use 3~cs~b+2~b,d+2~cs~sm,b,cs,1,2,cs for 25%, but I tend not to juggle in Kori Blade.

Since Kori: 3 causes a bounce I like to do it twice then when they are bouncing I quickly switch to dragon. Now they are pretty screwed. Since they are lying they when they rise they have the option to duck and avoid 4,b+2 or stand to avoid d+2. Basically it's a guaranteed mix up. If you don't like that you can go to Shoto off of the kori bounce and do 1,2,b+2 or b+4 for a mix up. And of course theres the option of just staying in Kori and doing 3 or b+4 for a mix up in that stance. That's one thing I love about sub. You have good mix ups in each stance.

True. It's also easy to use 1,1,2,d+2,1,2,CS I think it does more damage then anycombo from Dragon (without powerup)

No, actually the strongest juggle is 1,1,2,d+2~b,d+2~sm~1,2,cs, but that one is second strognest.

[sm] stands for???

CorrezZ Wrote: [sm] stands for???

The special move button...

Dôh... but I thought it was without power-up :)

Just wondering Correzz...is Sub your main character? If so thats cool..hes mine too. Though im rooting for VQ to win it all at that tournament I sure hope you rep sub good if hes your main.

Hehe... I know VQ is prolly very skilled. But no, Sub isn't my main... I'm just kinda 'into' him now... my favorite is most definatly Reptile (one of my best to) but I know how to use Bo and Scorp effective enough 2 put the hurtin' on almost anyone ;)

But @ the tourney, I'll prob. use either Reptile, Kano ór Bo, depends on the skill of the other players :)

LOL yeah..i think besides konqrr and I nobody plays shitty ass MKDA Sub. I hope they tone him up..he has much potential gameplay wise..he's just so....unrealized.

The best reptile juggle is 1,3,4,cs,1,b+2,cs>1,3,2 for 40% damage.

I knew the Reptile Juggle, it's 50% if opp is in weapon style.

And yeah, kinda sad to see Sub not "havin'" it in MKDA, I like to use him anyway, I think Dragon is a good style... I use d+3 alot to get small irritating hits (it's completly safe me beliefs).

Shotokan I'm not so happy about, exept the juggle start it's not that fast OR powerfull (though the King's Crown combo is pretty fast + it repels if blocked).

Dragon: d+3 is good off of hits. Like if Shotokan: 1 or 1,2 connects them d+3 is an awesome follow up. I also like to use it in juggles. its great for pressure shit too. Like if a hsu hao player is doing wrestling: 1 repeatedly over and over again you can d+3 that shit to break it up. Other those and the nasty ass wall trap it's not as good as I once thought

Gotta luv it... I never use it in juggles though...

did you guys forget that Sub can do over 40% almost at will????


jeez mang...

Sub is really good...I still think that he can beat anyone outside of the top five if played proficiently.

Admit it ray, you guys didnt give Sub enough attention. On the cosmetics end of the spectrum yes, but gameplay wise hes just not that great. Though I do agree that he can beat everyone outside top 5. I also think every once in a blue moon he can beat Sonya and Drahmin, but he has to work hard as hell, and its just not worth it. This is why im considering using scorpion AND sub zero in the tournament if i really have to.

Please work more on Sub if you get on the team Ray.

there is no honor lost when playing with Scorp...

Nobody makes fun of all the Jin or Akuma players out there...

whenever I play against Akuma I consider it a challenge....

and since I'm usually better than everyone I play against

Thay have to play Scorp if the even want to consider winning.

Well, Im definately using Sub Zero more, but Im seriously considering using some Scorpion. I hate the character, i hate his brokeness, but sometimes it just seems like im hoping for hope when I play Sub. Let me tell you, I was playing RS's Scorpion a few weeks ago and I really felt I had him. Scorp being his best character and all i built up confidence. It was like 2-0, but then he busts out the cheese and beats me 3-2. Dude that shit is hard, especially when you put so much dedication into a character and get mediocre results. though i was off that day i will not be off on tournament day, and im playing to win...and if wining means playing scorp then you better believe i will though im a sub player at heart.

You know, it just plain sux to lose simply because some programmer made it like that... I mean... bleh.

CorrezZ Wrote: You know, it just plain sux to lose simply because some programmer made it like that... I mean... bleh.

what does that mean????

and that "some programmer" was Ed Boon...he does ALL game play.

I hope boon concentrates on 3 things for MK6.

1. Increasing the gameplay depth and excitement

2. Making everyone balanced by implementing new ideas for the MK world like frame advantage so that everyone will have moves to lean on no matter how bad they are.

3. Getting the community back together with online play.

Correzz I don't think Sub is that bad. Out of 23 characters I'd say hes number 15, but hes just not that good. If frame advantage were in the game Sub-Zero would be the best without a doubt! He could safely mix up and fuck with their heads, but he cannot do this in MKDA. Anything thats blocked can be punished with Sub in some way shape or form except his dragon low attacks(disregarding 4,b+2) so he really has to work really hard, and his style of play has to be constantly changing to beat a lot of the characters. People say all Sub needs is stand and block, but this only true for some characters. Sub cannot effectively play Stand and Block vs people like Sonya,Drahmin,Hsu Hao or Shang Tsung. He needs to be constantly back dashing and moving and changing up to stand a chance, but even then there is a chance that you can get interupted,reversed or just simply out prioritized.

No doubt.

Sub Zero is really a char you use cuz you like him, not a char you pick for and easy (or cheezy) victory. But yeah, I think Shotokan d+1 is also un-punishable, King's Crown (3,f+3) repels if it's blocked, me thinks far enough to block anything coming after that. I learned today that juggling from Kori Blade is fun, yet hard (not to mention not THAT rewarding). My main stance is still Dragon, even though I switch to Shotokan whenever there's an oppertunity for full string combo or a good juggle.

And rayrokka, with that post I ment that it just sux to lose when your playing Sub pretty good against a noober who knows how to abuse Pi Gua Shove+Hellfire, or who knows Bo's infinate, just because Boon (there you go) programmed it to be that way.

Shotokan d+1 is teh suck. I cannot find any uses for that love. Dragon d+3 comes out faster and I think it does more damage(but who uses it for damage). Not to mention you can trick slide into Kori mix up after it.

Shotokan: 3,f+3 is one of Sub-Zero's best moves, and Im shock you actually knew about it. I was looking forward to putting it into the FAQ and having people say "wow, such a great move under my nose all this time" but whatever. Yea, it knocks you back very far and does great damage. I consider it an essential.

Boon's the man, but I just hope he works on adding fresh new gameplay and balancing the game out.

CorrezZ Wrote: No doubt. Sub Zero is really a char you use cuz you like him, not a char you pick for and easy (or cheezy) victory. But yeah, I think Shotokan d+1 is also un-punishable, King's Crown (3,f+3) repels if it's blocked, me thinks far enough to block anything coming after that. I learned today that juggling from Kori Blade is fun, yet hard (not to mention not THAT rewarding). My main stance is still Dragon, even though I switch to Shotokan whenever there's an oppertunity for full string combo or a good juggle. And rayrokka, with that post I ment that it just sux to lose when your playing Sub pretty good against a noober who knows how to abuse Pi Gua Shove+Hellfire, or who knows Bo's infinate, just because Boon (there you go) programmed it to be that way.

Scorpion was ment to be a low skill character that anyone can play....

Sub was meant to be a skill based character that more experienced and skilled players can play.

thats why Scorp is difficulty one and Sub is 4...

It is meant to be an uphill battle for Sub...believe me I wanted Sub to be the best but there are so many things that make a character good and bad.

and if you are losing alot...guess what.

YOU NEED MORE PRACTICE