anakkin Wrote: MKT isn't canon. How CAN it be?! *kintaro only appeared after goro's death, how can they be in the same game? *sub-zero the 2nd, only appeared after his brother was killed by scorpion, how can they be in the same game? etc. etc.

As has been said, Goro and Kintaro's appearances are not canon. They have no endings or new bios set during Kahn's invasion.

We don't know who Classic Sub-Zero is. In his ending it says it was thought to be the older brother, yet when he removes his mask everyone is shocked to find out who it is. It's very vague and confusing. I don't consider it "non canon" though. It is a dropped storyline they didn't reveal in MK4, but that doesn't mean it's non canon. We haven't seen or heard from Stryker since then either. They could bring it back again if they want.

BTW, in N64 he uses the younger Sub-Zero's opening bio, yet has the Classic Sub-Zero ending(which makes no sense...).

Chameleon has no story, but is mentioned as being one of Kahn's minions when you fight him.



There is plenty of proof MKT is canon. Cage's MK4 story references it, Mileena's MK Gold story references it, MKT introduced Shinnok, MKT introduced details about Reptile mentioned in DA. Characters like Ermac and Noob didn't even have origins until MKT.

The only thing clearly non canon and messed up about MKT is the male shokan(who have no story anyway) and Human Smoke(who it SAYS is non canon).



If it wasn't for unmasked Sub-Zero being gone the N64 version would basically be perfect, storyline wise. No male shokan and Khameleon is vastly more developed than Chameleon.

Well, if you take away things like Kintaro, goro, human smoke, etc.

You're left with the mk3 story, am i right?

No Annakin, you are left with the MKT story - which is to say the UMK3 story, plus the part about Shinnok, Noob Saibot, Rain (though he was in SNES UMK3), Baraka, Johnny Cage, Khameleon (the whole Zaterra thing is a pretty important plot point); it's just certain aspects of the MKT game (like Kintaro, etc.) that are not part of the MKT story.

It is still a matter of opinion. If Ed Boon himself said this is canon this isn't- that still would not change anything. If they don't comment on it in the game it is open to interpration. Unless they publish answers in the form of a game, everyone will continue to believe what they want.

But they have commented on it in the games. The later games have made it clear MKT is canon. There are plenty of examples(which I already listed) where the later games confirm that what happened in MKT is true.

But isn't the story of UMK3, just the story of MK3 with a few small additions?
It's the same background (shao kahn invading earth) with a few more characters and their personal little stories.

Yeah, like I said, MKT is what really happened during Shao Kahn's invasion. It's the same story, but with more told.

It's not like MK3 happened, then UMK3 then MKT. They're all the same event. It's all Kahn's occupation. They just added more to the plot when they added more characters. In some instances(Ermac and Mileena's stories being great examples) they changed things as they went along, either to give the character's background more depth or to introduce things for MK4. The upgrade overrides the previous game.


MK Gold is the same way.

Sakura said it exactly right - Yes, UMK3's story is MK3's with a few small additions. MKT's story is UMK3's with a few small additions too. And, the changes that Sakura pointed out (Mileena is in servitude to Shinnok) are definitely canon!

And we know for sure MK Gold is canon because of Cyrax and Kung Lao's endings being a big factor in DA.

One thing I wonder about is the fate of Sindel. It seems like she's dead, but the MK4 and DA stories never flat out say it. They mentioned a surprise attack when Tanya turns traitor and lets Shinnok out of the Neatherrealm, but it never says exactly what happens in the attack. Is she killed or taken prisoner like Kitana?

Also, Liu Kang's MK4 bio mentions that he went on an adventure to Edenia to save Kitana and failed. What's up with that? It's mentioned in no other story and seems out of place. I guess it must have happened right before MK4.

And anyone ever noticed Sub-Zero and Scorpion's bios in MK4 don't really match their endings? Scorp's bio says he is working for Quan Chi just to get his life back. There's nothing about wanting revenge for his family and clan. Then Sub's bio has nothing at all do to with Scorpion and talks about secrets passed down by his brother, which end up not being a factor at all in his ending. Yet in both their endings Scorp/Sub are back to feuding again with no explination. It's like they had been feuding the whole time and we have known about it except they forgot to add it to their bios!

Does the MK4 comic that came with the PC version shed any light on this stuff?

Scorpion's bio does mention "ulterior motives".
I think the feud between Scorpion and Sub-Zero "resumes" once MK4 begins.

BTW, the MK4 comic does mention Sindel - she is Queen, and at the throne, when she banishes Reptile to the Cobalt Mines of Shokan for his crimes. (Sounds like MK Conquest; also the game says he was banished to the Netherealm. Maybe once in the Cobalt Mines, he was then banished to the Netherealm?)

Also, the Centaurians mention that Shao Kahn promised them the land that they want, but she says she does not honor the promises of Shao Kahn.

Something happens to Sindel, Tanya is a traitor as the game says, Quan Chi offers Sindel a gift but it apparently hypnotizes her or leaves her in a gaze or something. She is never heard from again in the comic, as just then a portal from the Netherealm opens up and the bad guys come to Edenia.

So I would say they tried to make it look like she died, but instead, they left the door wide open for her return.

I think MKT was real story but I have to laugh when people "selectively" believe portions of the game- no where does it say Classic Sub is not canon, but I choose to believe it.

Wow I was surprised to see the FAQ I wrote being used in this discussion, I feel kind of honored in a way, anyways ]ombat I did fix and credit the corrections to you and I believe the update is already up on gamefaqs. Anyways though Chameleon, Goro, Kintaro, and Sub-Zero's appearance can be reasonably argued that its not canon because of a lack of storyline, they could also have the possibly of being canon, there is so many other reasons why they dont have storylines, maybe time restrictions? maybe memory restrictions? or it could be what a lot of people suggests and they arent canon, Im just trying to give ya'll more theory ideas rather than people accepting the non canon idea. Anyways there is one evidence that Chameleon is canon, and thats if you choose the 2nd icon in Shao Kahn's treasures (fight chameleon) it says something along the lines "now you must face one of Kahn's deadliest warriors" though its not bio material it can still be taken into effect. Anyways thanks to everyone that comlimented my FAQ, feels good to see something I wrote being appreciated.

UMK3 Is just an updated ROM of MK3 Original with new characters. According to some site Kintaro is Goro's Shokan father under Kahn's Power. GORO DID HAVE A STORY! Remember that screen in MK1 Where it'd show this cool pic of himself and it'd say GORO LIVES!!! remember?

Mortal Kombat 3 is more of a saga. It had 3 parts that explained Khan attempt to take Earth through illegal means. Each of the MK3s(MK3,UMK3,MKT) are like chapters of part 3 as a whole. Each on is important. As many of you know they did happen and of course the MK team take what they need to build the next storyline, for example Noob Sabiot ending was linked to MK4 and gave us a hint of things to come.

Kintaro died either way. I heard 2 different stories of how he killed.

1. I heard that he fought the Thunder God Rayden and he was zapped. This is the one I believe most.

2. Another website suggested that Kintaro died in a battle with Motaro before the Invasion of Earth. After Kahn had it with the Shokans failing him, he supported the Centuarians to kill them. That's when Kintaro and Motaro met and duked it out.

Centaurs and Shokan have a grunge against eachother, so both is believable...

I don't like Kintaro. He can never replace Goro.


Also, there is no "Raiden" in Mortal Kombat. "Raiden" is from some SNK game.

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BrothersOfShadow Wrote: I don't like Kintaro. He can never replace Goro. Also, there is no "Raiden" in Mortal Kombat. "Raiden" is from some SNK game. www.gamegen.com

It was spelled Raiden and Rayden in the MK games at different points, there is no disputing that, just so you know. They just seemed to like to call him Rayden on the home systems and Raiden in the arcade, for reasons that have been discussed a few tims on this board. Thats why if you check MKT for PSX he is named Rayden. If you look at the intros in MK Gold, he is referred to as Raiden. If you look at MK1 arcade he is Raiden. If you look at MK2 for SNES he is Rayden. Screwy, eh?

Sorry. My mistake.

For a long time it was Raiden in arcade, Rayden at home.

I don't think I've ever seen a real explination for the change. Most people go by the story that it was a copyright issue with the 2D shooter "Raiden". That doesn't make a whole lot of sense though. Why would that only apply to the home ports of MK games? There's a guy in Fatal Fury named Raiden and it was spelled like that in the home ports. Besides, the name "Raiden" is clearly from real mythology.

Regardless, it was changed up until MK4's home release. From then on it's always just been "Raiden".

So Raiden is the original, true spelling.