My theory behind Ermac in MK1
My theory behind Ermac in MK1
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posted02/14/2004 11:47 AM (UTC)by
Edit 1/24/04
Okay, apperently this idea I had spent so long formulating couldn't possibly be true. Although it's likley that a red ninja was used for the motion capture, I didn't quite understand the scenario presented. I thought that all that happened was scorpion turned red and it said "ermac wins" at the end of the round. Like during a two player game, someone chooses scorpion and when the round begins it was like "Wait, why am I red? Ermac wins? wtf?"
So INSTEAD I'm posting this other theory. This isn't my idea, but it was brought to my attention by Sakura in the other Ermac thread and it makes more sense.
[new idea] Ermac was a red ninja programmed into earlier versions of the MK1 arcade as some sort of an "error trap" which kinda makes sense. An "error trap" would be something that traps an error so to speak so it can be fixed or corrected. What Ermac could be is like the Ermac rooms in the old game Smash TV. In Smash TV, when the game was crashing it tried to correct itself, but while it was doing this the game created "ermac rooms" to keep the player busy while the game fixed itself. Same could be true for the "Ermac" in MK1. For some really strange reason a player could have done some one in a billion chance of fucking up the game to where the game would fix itself, but to keep the player busy while the game trapped the error, it would dispatch the red ninja and it would pop out of nowhere like an endurance round or something. This actually sounds more plasuable than my other idea anyways. Really, no one else has "seen" Ermac except for the one guy that wrote into EGM and pushlished the polariod of it back in '92 but that would also make sense why no one has ever seen the "Ermac" counter go above zero too. The game has never needed to trap the error in any other machines. [/new idea]
Here's the old idea . . .
- Begin common knowledge -
EDIT Just theory, not fact like I originally though.
In earlier versions of the MK1 arcade machine there was a glitch that turned Scorpion red and replaced the "Scorpion" in the life bar with "Ermac" which is short for ERror MACro. People were convinced that Ermac was a secret charecter since there was a "Ermac" counter in the game, but it was really there just to keep track of how many errors and glitches the game came across
- End common knowledge -
Now here's the thing... There were a lot of people (including myself) who were really sceptical about this "Ermac" actually being in MK1. The main thing I kept questioning was "How could Ermac be shaded red perfectly?! I could understand if he had SOME red, but to make that charecter look like that the development team would have to had specifically created a sprite-set.
I think I have a theory why Ermac is shaded so perfectly. Since they probably wanted to keep the file-size down, all the MK1 ninjas probably used the exact same sprite set. When the player selected a ninja, say sub-zero, the game probably went something like:
If sub-zero = Load the sub-zero's moves + BLUE color pallet
Same thing with Scorpion and Reptile. Now I got this idea when I was watching the history of MK on MKDA and they were showing quick clips of MK3 behind the scenes and they showed Sub Zero and Kitana's actors all dressed up in RED. I'm like "Oh, DUH. They're using a blue-screen so they can't have BLUE outfits or they'll be transparent in game!". I'm 90% sure they did this with the MK1 ninjas as well. I'm sure the Scorpion/Sub Zero/Reptile costume was actually red when the motion capture was created, which brings me to my thoery as to what the error Ermac really is.
The error is
Scorpion = Load scorpions moves + *Error* Cannot load scorpion's pallet. No pallet loaded. Generating ERror MACro.
I'm not sure what would lead to this error, but since it cannot load the pallet it is forced to display the sprite as it was captured, and since the MK1 ninjas were captured with a red costume, it loads a red Ninja
http://www.geocities.com/quirkphinder/ermac.gif
...of course, this all goes right out the window if it turns out each charecter had a pre-colored sprite set ahead of time. Anyone think I'm right?
Okay, apperently this idea I had spent so long formulating couldn't possibly be true. Although it's likley that a red ninja was used for the motion capture, I didn't quite understand the scenario presented. I thought that all that happened was scorpion turned red and it said "ermac wins" at the end of the round. Like during a two player game, someone chooses scorpion and when the round begins it was like "Wait, why am I red? Ermac wins? wtf?"
So INSTEAD I'm posting this other theory. This isn't my idea, but it was brought to my attention by Sakura in the other Ermac thread and it makes more sense.
[new idea] Ermac was a red ninja programmed into earlier versions of the MK1 arcade as some sort of an "error trap" which kinda makes sense. An "error trap" would be something that traps an error so to speak so it can be fixed or corrected. What Ermac could be is like the Ermac rooms in the old game Smash TV. In Smash TV, when the game was crashing it tried to correct itself, but while it was doing this the game created "ermac rooms" to keep the player busy while the game fixed itself. Same could be true for the "Ermac" in MK1. For some really strange reason a player could have done some one in a billion chance of fucking up the game to where the game would fix itself, but to keep the player busy while the game trapped the error, it would dispatch the red ninja and it would pop out of nowhere like an endurance round or something. This actually sounds more plasuable than my other idea anyways. Really, no one else has "seen" Ermac except for the one guy that wrote into EGM and pushlished the polariod of it back in '92 but that would also make sense why no one has ever seen the "Ermac" counter go above zero too. The game has never needed to trap the error in any other machines. [/new idea]
Here's the old idea . . .
- Begin common knowledge -
EDIT Just theory, not fact like I originally though.
In earlier versions of the MK1 arcade machine there was a glitch that turned Scorpion red and replaced the "Scorpion" in the life bar with "Ermac" which is short for ERror MACro. People were convinced that Ermac was a secret charecter since there was a "Ermac" counter in the game, but it was really there just to keep track of how many errors and glitches the game came across
- End common knowledge -
Now here's the thing... There were a lot of people (including myself) who were really sceptical about this "Ermac" actually being in MK1. The main thing I kept questioning was "How could Ermac be shaded red perfectly?! I could understand if he had SOME red, but to make that charecter look like that the development team would have to had specifically created a sprite-set.
I think I have a theory why Ermac is shaded so perfectly. Since they probably wanted to keep the file-size down, all the MK1 ninjas probably used the exact same sprite set. When the player selected a ninja, say sub-zero, the game probably went something like:
If sub-zero = Load the sub-zero's moves + BLUE color pallet
Same thing with Scorpion and Reptile. Now I got this idea when I was watching the history of MK on MKDA and they were showing quick clips of MK3 behind the scenes and they showed Sub Zero and Kitana's actors all dressed up in RED. I'm like "Oh, DUH. They're using a blue-screen so they can't have BLUE outfits or they'll be transparent in game!". I'm 90% sure they did this with the MK1 ninjas as well. I'm sure the Scorpion/Sub Zero/Reptile costume was actually red when the motion capture was created, which brings me to my thoery as to what the error Ermac really is.
The error is
Scorpion = Load scorpions moves + *Error* Cannot load scorpion's pallet. No pallet loaded. Generating ERror MACro.
I'm not sure what would lead to this error, but since it cannot load the pallet it is forced to display the sprite as it was captured, and since the MK1 ninjas were captured with a red costume, it loads a red Ninja
http://www.geocities.com/quirkphinder/ermac.gif
...of course, this all goes right out the window if it turns out each charecter had a pre-colored sprite set ahead of time. Anyone think I'm right?
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Wow somebody did their homework. You have some pretty good points, and I think that the "ERMAC" was just a glitch in the mk1 drive in the arcade.


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I also think it was just a glitch. I believe that if a red ninja ever did appear it was a glitch that made the game load the wrong pallet for the colors that change between ninjas. My best guess was always that it simply made a little mistake and loaded the pallet for something else, perhaps the color pallet for blood in the game, producing a red ninja. If it ever appeared at all.


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i think the theory about the loading of the red color is right. maybe that can be cleared up in another fight night....
It may be "common knowledge" that there is an Ermac glitch in MK1 but there is still no proof it's a red ninja or anything beyond a simple counter in the audits menu.
Whatever "ermacs" in the audits menu is it's NOT a counter for how many times the game has had any old glitch. You can crash MK1 or do any glitch in MK1 and the counter won't go up. It's something specific and it has to do with the hardware MK1 runs on, because it's in other games.
I don't believe in any red ninja. The game is over a decade old and there is no solid info on it and nobody has ever taken a good, clear picture and we know absolutely NOTHING about how to reproduce it. That leads me to believe it's just an urband legend.
However if it does exist it's probably like the hidden areas in Smash TV(which also has a counter for "ermacs"). In that game when the game was messing up it sent you to a hidden area to keep you busy while the game tried to fix itself instead of just crashing. It's possible Ermac is the same deal: you fight him or he stands there or whatever while the game tries to fix itself. The fact that the operator's manual calls them "error traps" supports this.
But like I said, there is no real credible information on it so I'm calling BS on the whole thing. I know everyone here loves to think of MK as "mysterious" and all that, but really, think logically...the game's very old and has been played by millions, the chances of it being anything real is very slim. It's probably just a counter for some hardware feature and has nothing to do with the actual game's content.
Whatever "ermacs" in the audits menu is it's NOT a counter for how many times the game has had any old glitch. You can crash MK1 or do any glitch in MK1 and the counter won't go up. It's something specific and it has to do with the hardware MK1 runs on, because it's in other games.
I don't believe in any red ninja. The game is over a decade old and there is no solid info on it and nobody has ever taken a good, clear picture and we know absolutely NOTHING about how to reproduce it. That leads me to believe it's just an urband legend.
However if it does exist it's probably like the hidden areas in Smash TV(which also has a counter for "ermacs"). In that game when the game was messing up it sent you to a hidden area to keep you busy while the game tried to fix itself instead of just crashing. It's possible Ermac is the same deal: you fight him or he stands there or whatever while the game tries to fix itself. The fact that the operator's manual calls them "error traps" supports this.
But like I said, there is no real credible information on it so I'm calling BS on the whole thing. I know everyone here loves to think of MK as "mysterious" and all that, but really, think logically...the game's very old and has been played by millions, the chances of it being anything real is very slim. It's probably just a counter for some hardware feature and has nothing to do with the actual game's content.

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The red ninja glitch is a totaly lie. There was no red ninja. The name in the life bar certainly never EVER said Ermac for any reason at all.
All that stuff is pure rumour. As already said, the only evidence for Ermac is in the audit screen. Apparently other Midway games had the Ermacs counter too. Though I admit I checked 3 games by them and didn't see it.
All that stuff is pure rumour. As already said, the only evidence for Ermac is in the audit screen. Apparently other Midway games had the Ermacs counter too. Though I admit I checked 3 games by them and didn't see it.
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cantrell Wrote: i dont know if this was maybe just a april fools joke or what...but i remember seeing ermac from Mk 1 in a magazine once...i cant remember what magazine...so i dunno if he exist or not.... |
The mag in question is EGM, and it was part of a section they USED to have called "Most Wanted Trick" (and NEVER revealed to be a April Fool's joke).
I agree with everything Quirk said about Ermac's appearance in MK1 except for 1 thing: The name in the lifebar said Scorpion, NOT Ermac. As for the ninja pallette color NOT coming up (thus causing the glitch), it's an interesting theory.
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ermac in mk1 is a glitch, i dont remember what system it is for but it is true, a real glitch

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It just isn't true. No one has ever seen it that is alive today. Blame the FBI if you want.
Ermac is the man though, my all time favourite Ninja, plus I think he is the best looking character in UMK3. How can you argue against how amazing his telekenetic slam looked the first time you saw it?
Ermac is the man though, my all time favourite Ninja, plus I think he is the best looking character in UMK3. How can you argue against how amazing his telekenetic slam looked the first time you saw it?


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Khardynyl Wrote: It just isn't true. No one has ever seen it that is alive today. Blame the FBI if you want. Ermac is the man though, my all time favourite Ninja, plus I think he is the best looking character in UMK3. How can you argue against how amazing his telekenetic slam looked the first time you saw it? |
Thats true, Ermac did look awesome in UMK3. I mean that tan was so damned macho.
And I have a personal bond to Ermac as a fighter cause he was the first character I found a 100% damage combo for.

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Khardynyl Wrote: The red ninja glitch is a totaly lie. There was no red ninja. The name in the life bar certainly never EVER said Ermac for any reason at all. All that stuff is pure rumour. As already said, the only evidence for Ermac is in the audit screen. Apparently other Midway games had the Ermacs counter too. Though I admit I checked 3 games by them and didn't see it. |
It says in Ermac's UMK3 Biography and Ending that he was in the first MK as "An enigma to all those who came into contact with him".
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Yes I remember that EGM magazine with the pic of ermac in it. The guy that sent the pic to EGM even said how he did it. I tried what he did(very difficult what I had to do but I did it) and guess what as usually it didn't work now it could of been an mkI arcade that didn't have ermac in it I don't know for sure, but i believe ermac is in the game. And the idea of ermacs being the # of glitches in the game NO. I have glitched the game many times by getting a draw on goro and the game has froze and I can't do anything. And when I go to the game audits the emacs still reads 0 so that theory is wrong, but I have the arcade that has ermac and I'am determined to get ermac sooner or later. And not to change the subject has anybody every heard of the ermac in MKII it's a girl red ninja named scralet shes often been fought in MKII Challenger. And the arcade versions that have the ermacs are MKI verions 3.0 4.0 not prototype,1.0,2.0,t-unit 4.0 and 5.0.
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megatron187 Wrote: Yes I remember that EGM magazine with the pic of ermac in it. The guy that sent the pic to EGM even said how he did it. I tried what he did(very difficult what I had to do but I did it) and guess what as usually it didn't work now it could of been an mkI arcade that didn't have ermac in it I don't know for sure, but i believe ermac is in the game. And the idea of ermacs being the # of glitches in the game NO. I have glitched the game many times by getting a draw on goro and the game has froze and I can't do anything. And when I go to the game audits the emacs still reads 0 so that theory is wrong, but I have the arcade that has ermac and I'am determined to get ermac sooner or later. And not to change the subject has anybody every heard of the ermac in MKII it's a girl red ninja named scralet shes often been fought in MKII Challenger. And the arcade versions that have the ermacs are MKI verions 3.0 4.0 not prototype,1.0,2.0,t-unit 4.0 and 5.0. |
Actually, his "method" wasn't difficult at all. The guy said that he beat his friend double-flawless in the Hall of Champions using ONLY HIGH PUNCH. You wanna do that, get to that stage and simply tell your pal to let you beat him (don't have a pal, simply put quarters in BOTH slots).

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megatron187 Wrote: Yes I remember that EGM magazine with the pic of ermac in it. The guy that sent the pic to EGM even said how he did it. I tried what he did(very difficult what I had to do but I did it) and guess what as usually it didn't work now it could of been an mkI arcade that didn't have ermac in it I don't know for sure, but i believe ermac is in the game. And the idea of ermacs being the # of glitches in the game NO. I have glitched the game many times by getting a draw on goro and the game has froze and I can't do anything. And when I go to the game audits the emacs still reads 0 so that theory is wrong, but I have the arcade that has ermac and I'am determined to get ermac sooner or later. And not to change the subject has anybody every heard of the ermac in MKII it's a girl red ninja named scralet shes often been fought in MKII Challenger. And the arcade versions that have the ermacs are MKI verions 3.0 4.0 not prototype,1.0,2.0,t-unit 4.0 and 5.0. |
I'm interested in hearing more about this "Scarlet". I never heard about her before I joined this board. Was she ADDED to Challenger, and people thought she was in the original as well?
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Hi yes scarlet is real she is a red female ninja in MKII a glitch like ermac in MKI. She is so rare to get in the regular MKII games, but in the hacked MKII challenger arcade game she appears really often in the game. The guy on www.mktemple.com(he's a jerk) he hosts the site he has all the MKI and MKII arcades games out there and a few months ago he got ahold of MKII challenger the arcade machine that arcade machine is so rare to find, but anyways he has played the hell out of the game and he says he has fought scarlet a number of types that's how I heard of her. Try looking at his site in his message board
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Oh really ok I read another one that was real hard to do. I've heard that to about johnney cage it doesn't work. I've tried it against someone else and on the computer on the warrior shrine that's a lie no surprise.

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Scarlet IS NOT REAL. It isn't even a well known rumour/lie.
Benjiman is a real glitch though. Sometimes Kabal in MK3 prototype 2 he would get messed up and be bright pink. Strange thing is though he had Johnny Cage's projectiles from MK2..... hmmmmmmmm.....I am lying..... hmmmmmmm....
Benjiman is a real glitch though. Sometimes Kabal in MK3 prototype 2 he would get messed up and be bright pink. Strange thing is though he had Johnny Cage's projectiles from MK2..... hmmmmmmmm.....I am lying..... hmmmmmmm....
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Listen dude skarlet is just the nick name they gave her, it doesn't say skarlet on the lifebar ok. The guy on the site is really honest and I believe him so go rat at him at mktemple.com because thats where I saw her.

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Scarlet is only on the hacked version called "Immortal Combat" not in the game.
megatron187 Wrote: Listen dude skarlet is just the nick name they gave her, it doesn't say skarlet on the lifebar ok. The guy on the site is really honest and I believe him so go rat at him at mktemple.com because thats where I saw her. |
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She appears more often in immortal kombat then the other versions.

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MaRcElunbeatable Wrote: Scarlet is only on the hacked version called "Immortal Combat" not in the game. megatron187 Wrote: Listen dude skarlet is just the nick name they gave her, it doesn't say skarlet on the lifebar ok. The guy on the site is really honest and I believe him so go rat at him at mktemple.com because thats where I saw her. |
So what exactly do the hacked versions of the games allow for?
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The hacked version mortal kombat II challenger. You have almost unlimited fatality time, real fast uppercuts, you can just uppercut on the acid stage just hold down and hit HP and you will uppercut them into the acid instead of holding down LP and LK. And you can juggle your opponent out of the acid just go to the spot they landed in the acid and uppercut again and they will fly out of the acid back into the acid do it again where they landed uppercut again and they will fly out. If you use LP where they landed they will fly out of the acid and glid in the air it's cool. And I also did sub-zeros freeze and uppercut fatality on the acid stage and instead the opponent breaking up into peaces sub-zero just uppercuts the opponent into the acid the screen still turns black kinda cool. Smoke,Jade and noob saibot can be fought all the time like sometimes kintaro is the first guy to fight and next is a question mark and it could be jade or smoke or noob saibot you have to fight it's cool so pretty much there are several question marks on the screen on who you have to fight next it's a challenge and sometimes you have to fight kintaro twice in one game that's tough. And that's where Skarlet is found often so if you ever see the challenger version play it it's the coolest MKII arcade game out.
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