no ermac, no red scorpion, no ermac glitches, no nothing. it's FACT. just give it up. people have all the original mk1 arcade roms on mame and nobody has seen anything.

MK2KungBroken Wrote: If you truly paid attention to everything everyone said in that forum, you would not have the position you do on Ermac in MK1.

Telling me again what I did and didn't do. Gotta love the ignorance.

Ok time to prove you wrong about me not reading it. Both threads you're in alot almost going against everyone else since they believed he was a glitch and yet you seemed to not understand them correctly and thought they meant he was an actual/intended character. Which then 1 or 2 people called you stupid or something along the lines of that with Quirk being one of them.

The only slight proof you have is on Quirk's thread where you showed Sub,Scorpion and Reptile and said about the yellow color in Retile's outift.
If you look closey at Reptile, that yellow on the green part is not totally yellow.......it's a darker yellow and even seems like it might have a slight redish tint if you look very closely. Now I'm not saying it does have anything to do with it....but I'm also not reasoning it out. Since you seem to think it proves the whole glitch thing totally wrong while it also can prove it kinda right.

I'll try to explain why. Here goes.

Alright Scorpion is yellow and Sub-Zero is Blue which makes the color green which is Reptile. Now a lazy blende job of these colors could be why Reptile has the yellow bits here and there. Now say the comp/hardware messed up big time and this error(not intended) messed up the colors.

Now if yellow got messed up and got darker/glitchey it would be somewhere close to orange if dark enough. Where blue would become more to the shade of purple if it got darker. Now put the purple and the orange together and you get red. The colors have been known to get way off in some cases.

So say the comp/hardware screwed up the colors Reptile in the sense of mostly getting darker and deeper in color then that would make him red.

So this can prove that proof of yours about them using colors. Cause there is no proof that they only used yellow for all of them. I believe they used yellow and blue and then rushed Reptile by not using green but combining the colors and then a glitch happened with Reptile that made the colors dark and thus the red ninja which is called scorpion just like reptile since they didn't change the life bars name.

Now this is all just a hunch but it atleast gives proof that it could have happened. And since I also believe Ed Boon about a red ninja being in the game like I read..........I will believe what I said.

Hey you can believe what you want but I'm sticking to what I read and think.

You seem to not like someone thinking a red ninja glitch could have happened.....well I do.

So get over it.
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As for Methol, how about you just let me have my opinion without telling me what to do. That sounds like a good fair idea.

Also the reason why maybe no one has seen this is cause it's rare like maybe 1 in a billion chances but still could have happened once or twice. Most of the time glitches don't happen alot atleast not in the same exact way. Also who is too say that all the people who have seen him would be a member on this site. They could be someone who doesn't even have the internet......so that whole part about everyone owning every rom,etc is not the case here.

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Oh and you guys didn't prove it not true anymore then any body can prove it true. It's still an unsolved mystery as far as any proof and facts go.

Have a nice day and learn to accept people's opinion when they differ from yours.

"As for Methol, how about you just let me have my opinion without telling me what to do. That sounds like a good fair idea."

it;s fine you have your own opinions. but when you're wrong, people will call you out on them to correct you. it's not a matter of me telling you what to believe. it's a matter of me telling you the truth.

"Also the reason why maybe no one has seen this is cause it's rare like maybe 1 in a billion chances but still could have happened once or twice."

this seems to be your whole argument. "could have". well, we're telling what HAS happened. which is nothing. no ermac. no red scoprion. nothing.

"Most of the time glitches don't happen alot atleast not in the same exact way. Also who is too say that all the people who have seen him would be a member on this site. They could be someone who doesn't even have the internet......so that whole part about everyone owning every rom,etc is not the case here."

actually, it is the case. these roms are always in rotation all the time by players around the world. many of which are aware of the "red scorpion" rumor. if someone found it, it would be posted with a screenshot. that hasn't happened.

ok, just look. ermac first started as the egm rumor. which had totally bogus ways to find him, him appearaing on screen and saying things, and a crappy screenshot. red scorpion was started after this once players realized it was a hoax. but they didn't want the rumor to die so they invented "red scorpion" to keep it alive. EVERY lame ass generic ermac rumor was started by the incredibly lame egm rumor. so why would anyone believe anything about ermac after that with absolutely NO proof? it's a waste of time. believe in what you want. but just realize you're wrong. i believe in santa clause. but i realize he's fake.

Well of course alot of my arugument is what if or it could have since I never said it was proven just like you guys still have no proof to say he doesn't except that you never saw it yourself.

Also who is to say that it could happen alot or even could happen on the roms. It could not even happen on the roms and maybe only happened a few times like a freak accident which would prove your proof that someone would have found it by now wrong.

Also I believe it since Ed Boon said in an article I read that there was indeed a glitch that evolved a red ninja.

Also since I was never forcing my opinion on others but just gave it once there was no need for Kungman to keep going on and on. He also had no right to tell me I didn't read both topics when I did. He was just being ignorant thinking he knew everything just like in both of those threads I read and that's that.

While you came off more cleaner and smarter then Kung, I still think there was no need to come flat out and say I was wrong when you have no proof from Ed Boon or that to prove my opinion wrong. Until Ed Boon says he was lying I will not considered wrong since there is no proof.

Now you can reply but please refrain from making me have to type again so much. Just realize as of now neither of us are wrong by proof.

You need to reconsider your status as a human being. You don't even have heuristic learning ability.

Give me an Ermac damn break. It is OVER. It is a FACT. Ermac is not in MK1 in any way shape or form. That is what I said from the very beginning. I gave them the benefit of the doubt to say it might be a glitch that wasn't intended on happening. There is another thread where MKSECRETS mentioned that the Shang Tsung picture in the EGM magazine is the same magazine where "ED BOON CLEARLY STATES THAT ERMAC APPEARS IN MK1!" Go to Hell. Go straight to Hell, do not pass Go, do not collect 200 platinum coins. He did not say anything of the sort. That is where this all started, from that lie, and it's STILL going on months and months later. There is beyond proof that Ermac was a hoax so GET OVER IT. It's funny how you say that my only possible proof is the yellow in the clothing, but then you say it's also slightly red. It's neither. It's fleshtones, because those colors are in Scorpion's arms and face scattered about, matching the color of his outfit to blend in. The glare on Sub-zero's back in MK1 is also fleshtones, and the color glitches in Reptile's costume are fleshtones found in both Scorpion and Reptile. The reused pallets, they do not alter the hues in any way, there's no way to get a completely solid red Scorpion by accident, it would have to be programmed in. In MK1 and MK2 the ninjas are filmed in yellow, but there is no BASE pallet for any character, it's a pallet made for them, which is why Reptile doesn't look 100% right. He was added later on in the revisions, and they didn't refilm him so they had no choice but to change the pallet internally. If they did the same to add Ermac, he would be reproducable. The 1 in 1,000,000,000 chance theory is 1,000,000,000% bullshit so shut up about that worthless theory. That's bogus and you know it. The fact of the matter is, the picture is too dark to show the exact pallet specifications, so it doesn't even matter if he's 100% solid red. If the picture was intentionally made clear enough to see, they would have made it 100% perfect and undisputed. It's not proof I or anyone else needs to present. The burden of proof is placed upon those who believe Tony Casey really found Ermac in 1993. Their proof is the EGM magazine, and that is proof indeed, proof that it was a hoax. The story behind the picture is enough proof that it was fake, if there was no story, and someone just said "I played against this guy Ermac out of nowhere, I don't know how I did it" and then no one found it after 10 years, I would say it's controversial, and speculative, but it's not, they made up a story to go along with their fake ass picture. The story is fake, if you can't understand that you have definitely have a learning disability. YOU are the reason I make these kinds of posts, I hit hard and think fast. Do you believe both of these statements: "It has something to do with an bug, or glitch, I call it ERMAC" and "No one has found Ermac yet in MK1!" because he said both of these things, the second statement negates the first statement, oh no, your brain is about to explode, could Ed Boon be a double talking nonsensical genius? 8^o

UMATTK3

Whatever man, You're simply an ass and that's the reason you make these posts. GFY

Oh and I still believe in the forbidden red ninja. Doesn't it make you want to post again and be an ass? I think it does since it seems to get under your skin that not everyone is convinced and keeps that "maybe it did happen" possiblity open.

Oh and don't use that lame you gave them the benefit of the doubt. You just didn't read cleary and are slow.

Hit me hard and fast again tough guy,lmao.

I will post as many times as I want about this. You can believe in Ermac, but everytime you post something about it on here, I'm going to rip it apart, so go have some fun creating little scenarios about Ermac being in MK1, and then I'll just say you're wrong. Maybe I enjoy being an ass.

By the way, your "Whatever man" in psychology translates to "You are right, but I'm going to ignore what you say from now on and pretend I could be right."

Shock

MK2KungBroken Wrote: I will post as many times as I want about this. You can believe in Ermac, but everytime you post something about it on here, I'm going to rip it apart, so go have some fun creating little scenarios about Ermac being in MK1, and then I'll just say you're wrong. Maybe I enjoy being an ass. By the way, your "Whatever man" in psychology translates to "You are right, but I'm going to ignore what you say from now on and pretend I could be right." Shock

I could have sworn it just meant that "I'm kinda sick of this back and forth posting when it's going nowhere and you can't reply back without being an ass and believe everyone is entitled to their opinion without some ass jumping on them". That's what I though it meant since that's how I feel but I guess I"m wrong again since you know everything just like you knew I didn't read those threads. You're a good mind reader.

Oh and I don't think you enjoy being an ass(but I could be wrong). I think you just can't stand anyone having an opinion that disagree's with what you think. Oh man am I nice, I just said I could be wrong something that would never cross your mind.

Oh btw get over yourself.

This is not a matter of opinion though, you can't accept that. You still think there's a chance it's real, and there isn't. There's no doubt about that and it hurts you inside, to the point where you will be condescending. It is a fact, Ermac is not in MK1. You saying that your opinion he could still be there doesn't matter, because you can't have an opinion on something like 1+1=2, because in simplest mathematics, that's what this comes down to. You can say, "Well I think 1+1=3" doesn't mean you're right, this is a matter of right and wrong. This has gotten to be like an arguement I had with a moderation on TotalMortalKombat, he said that the only time Nightwolf's arrow comes out fast is if the opponent is on the opposite side of the screen, I gave him 30 examples saying otherwise, he actually went as far as to video taping himself performing a combo on HIS UMK3 arcade, cause he thought he was cool, doing a combo with Nightwolf, "HP HP LP Axe Axe Fast Arrow" and labeled it "slow arrow" on the video, and proceeded to say "No that's the slow arrow" so I had to actually give him the frame data behind the move, and record myself doing the arrow in MK3, UMK3, in enough forms to show that the fast arrow is only fast because Nightwolf's start up frames are hacked for the fast arrow, and the two different arrows in fact have a horizontal movement that is exactly the same speed. He refuses to believe I am right, but DreemerNJ and I together present undeniable proof, and yet he still thinks he's right. He's Australian though, maybe that has something to do with it.

Never said Ermac is in the game. I said a red ninja glitch and since there isn't enough proof to rule out the whole possiblity of a rare glitch happning I'm not indenial....just I have a different opinion.

Simple as that.

So what you're saying is anything is possible in any video game?

No not anything(common man, use your head)......but a glitch yes. I've had glitches before in different games that to this day have never happened again and no one that I know has experienced. I think glitches happen alot just no one makes a big deal about them in other games since alot of times they are just nothing special or the game that it happend to isn't anything big on secrets like MK was.

Take that how you will. I'm done for now, gotta get some sleep for work.

I won't be surprised to see you telling me I'm wrong again without any solid proof, but that's ok.

You're still saying anything can happen that's the funniest part about this.

I also think it's funny how everything you say has no basis in reality and it's all ifs and could haves and you admit to that, so you're just arguing for the sake of arguing, with no basis for arguing. But then to say I have no proof? Wow, how sad. The proof is the article, which goes above and beyond the picture. If you believe that Article, you're sad and naive. If you don't believe it, that's cool, but to go beyond that, and say it still could have happened, and BELIEVE the glitch did happen, is moronic. This isn't an everyday run of the mill glitch, like a distorted or corrupt pallet error. This is a full blown character with his own name they are talking about.

There is zero legit proof of Ermac ever being in MK1. That is a fact. There is no reason to think that a subsequent glitch ever happened aside from that. You see, what you have done is twisted around your own words in effort to make yourself seem possibly correct, but it all boils down to Ermac = false. This is the same thing people did originally, widdled it down to the most insignificant error possible to cause a pallet error, which is just wrong, it's not that simple. It was either programmed into the game, or it wasn't there are all. Since you can't reproduce it, it's not there. Red Scorpion never happened. No one has ever actually explained to me why they don't think what I say is proof. It's not like what I'm saying is my opinions, it's stuff you can see for yourself, and logic. There's no reason for this to still be going on. The ERMAC DOES NOT EXIST ending puzzle in MK2 is proof. The fake article is proof. The fake picture is proof. Ermac's storyline in UMK3 is proof. Where's the proof he was? The only thing that Ed Boon ever said was it was related to ERMACS, but then 6 years later said himself it never happened. Geez I guess I never provided any proof. No matter how YOU might interperate these things, the bottom line is, there's nothing to back up your statement of "Glitches happen in all kinds of games, it is theoretically possible that sometime in the last 12 years there was an instance that someone played against a Red Scorpion. Just shut the Hell up already. You make me sick.

Mk2KungBroken you need to shut up and let people have opinions!

Gattsu Wrote: Mk2KungBroken you need to shut up and let people have opinions!

Thank you. Someone with a brain around here and who isn't an ass.
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Oh and KungLao, how about you just stfu. You like to twist words around and put words in my mouth so you have nothing anymore to even come back with and have a decent discussion. You turned it into a stupid argument and became an ass. GFY

Not a matter of opinion. Not a debatable topic. No basis for discussion. No valid points. No reasoning. No logic. Facts are facts. Aaaaaand pipe.

My opinion so GFY.

I loved ermac since I first played with him in MKI... oh I mean uhhhh... UMK3.... and the glitch might might be possible, but I am not getting in the middle of this huge flame war.. later

MajinTsung Wrote: I loved ermac since I first played with him in MKI... oh I mean uhhhh... UMK3.... and the glitch might might be possible, but I am not getting in the middle of this huge flame war.. later

Don't worry man. It's over.

Not just yet...read this, don't skip over anything, don't read the first paragraph, then skip some and read the last one, read the whole thing because if you don't you are going to ask questions that will already have been answered.

You still don't get it I guess. You can't seem to understand that you don't always have a valid opinion about everything because not everything is succeptable to an opinion. There are cases when opinions don't apply to a topic because you're talking about facts and some people are too ignorant to accept this. This is one of those times. You can't have an opinion about whether Ermac did didn't or could happen when it is PROVEN via the EGM article that the idea in itself was a hoax. By saying a Red Ninja could have theoretically appeared at sometime in the last 12 years as only an example of what could be and endless number of possible glitches is just dumb, a little bit of deductive reasoning based on experience and application, would help you realize that nothing you have ever said could be applied to what this topic was about because you are talking about something else entirely. Talking in the hypothetical isn't what this was about, you just have your own ideas about things and possibilities. My point never was to say something like this had the potential to happen (even though it couldn't happen by accident, and if it did happen on purpose it would be documented and repeatable and since it's not documented and repeatable it never happened in the first place, and in from there becoming a paradox/chicken and the egg), my statement was that it didn't happen at all.

Here's your first post about this:

"Ermac was in MK 1 but he was a total mistake. The comp spit out a red scorpion and it said Scorpion and nothing more. I'm pretty sure Ed Boon said it only happened once also. So technically he wasn't in the game since it was Scorpion just with red since it was an error macro which is why they named him Ermac."

That was your first statement, a complete and total manifestation of how YOU think Red Scorpion happened in MK1 because none of what you said has any real backing to it.

There is one, and only one example of Ermac in MK1 and that is from the EGM magazine. Never again has there been a documented case of Ermac in MK1 anywhere ever. Everything that was ever stated officially by Ed Boon and co. was said in the article that was also in EGM.

Ed Boon didn't even know how to explain it, so he has no idea how many times it happened. You are going solely on what Ed Boon says, and that is a mistake.

The PICTURE says ERMAC WINS not Scorpion wins.

"It was an error macro" has nothing to do with the pallet error you are talking about. ERMACS was an error correction system for Smash TV, and at the point in video game history, Smash TV had the most on screen sprites of any video game ever made, which would definitely be enough reason to create a system to prevent the game from crashing.


Macro:

A single, user-defined command that is part of an application and executes a series of commands.

A shorthand representation for a number of lines of code. The only other definition of
macro is the obvious "large."


Here's another part of that post that is insanely inaccurate.

"Also I'm pretty sure that the 1 time it happened was not on any local arcade machine but on Midway's tester version or just their regular version which they fooled with. "

Also I'm pretty sure that you have no idea what you are talking about. That completely contradicts EGM Magazine's fan found glitch that Ed Boon had no idea existed prior to the guy finding it (wow). This means you created that statement out of thin air. No one ever told you that so there's only one place it came from, your mind, or a friend told you or even a stranger. The point here is, no one with any credibility ever told you that.

A little more

"I never said Ermac was in it. All I said was that there was a red Scorpion which did happen."

That is correct, you didn't say Ermac was in it, but you said Red Scorpion was, and THAT is a lie as well.

My response was

"CMETH, No. None of that ever happened. Please read the shit we've worked on as a group to settle this in the Ermac thread."

Somehow you interpereted that as anything other than "What you said didn't even happen either."

I read it awhile ago but I did read it from an official site that talked to Ed Boon about it.

What official site? A site like this one? I hope not because that sure as Hell isn't official. Your Red Scorpion myth was created by the fans, not by anyone else.

You might have read both topics, but you clearely did not understand any of it, just like you don't understand the fake article for the Ermac picture. There's a serious problem here because there's no other incidents of Ermac ever occurring besides this. Everything you have said is a theory, and nothing you have said can even be tested. I don't have to test any theories because I don't make theories, I tell you what is known and explain what it means, but yet somehow you still give the what if nonsense. The bottomline is regardless of what you believe, or wish happened, or whatever the case may be with you and your unorthodox logic, Ermac AND Red Scorpion were never in MK1 in any way shape or form, not even as a glitch. I almost wish that a mod would do something about this like they did with the MK1 Kitana thread.

Shock

Nah, I'm not reading anything from you. I said it was over and it is.

Oh btw, I only read the first little paragraph and seen you're still trying to change my thoughts on this whole thing so I just stopped.

It's over and I still think what I thought before. You have a different outlook on this whole thing. Have a nice day and get over it already, you're starting to look like you have alot of problems. I'll say it again GFY.

Pathetic.

Whatever you say ass.

I don't know what's funnier. That people still say the Ermac glitch exists even after we've debunked it in the other thread, or that Matt won't let this die.