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When did the MK3 characters get so popular?
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posted03/03/2015 07:41 PM (UTC)by
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DG1OA
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(By MK3, I'm also covering Khameleon, Rain, Ermac and Chameleon)

I remember the days where Stryker and Nightwolf were probably the most hated MK characters, and countless gay jokes involving them. Sheeva, Sindel and Motaro were far less hated, but not many of the fans thought very highly of them. Khameleon doesn't seem too hated. Not sure about Chameleon (not that he should count, as he still has no story). Kabal, Rain, Ermac and the Cyborgs (not counting Smoke as he's an MK2 character), Cyrax especially, were pretty popular, but even then, their return in a new game is never guaranteed, unlike most of the MK1/2 characters.

Yet people talk about post-MK3 characters and how their chances of returning are low, as if the whole MK3 cast was suddenly more likely to return. With Rain apparently deconfirmed, I wouldn't consider any MK3 characters's return all that likely. More so than most post-MK3 characters, perhaps, but still not that likely.

Nightwolf got more popular since MKD, but how many are clamoring for his return? Or Sindel's, Sheeva's, Motaro's and Khameleon's? And Stryker? Just how popular is he now?

It's just a little funny that the MK3 era seems so revered now when it was once the most controversial one in the series, that's all. And it's a shame people will probably take just as long to start accepting more of the post-MK3 characters other than Tanya and Reiko, as their chances of returning might be greater now if they already did.

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 •10/24/2014 04:55 PM (UTC) •
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They're popular now because the Post MK3 characters sucked. And after seeing what they did with Kenshis in MK9, people want to see that done with the lamer characters and make them cool.
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 •10/24/2014 04:58 PM (UTC) •
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Rain was never popular and still isn't
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 •10/24/2014 05:23 PM (UTC) •
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MK9. Duh.
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 •10/24/2014 05:51 PM (UTC) •
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I think MK9 might've had a hand in doing it, also just the general feeling of nostalgia. Add in the fact that a vast majority of the new characters in the last 15 years suck, and boom.
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 •10/24/2014 05:54 PM (UTC) •
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The way I've seen it:

Cyrax, Sektor - Started having a legit fanbase around the time of MK4-MKDA after countless cries that they didn't fit in the series
Nightwolf - Started getting fans around Deception
Kabal - Instant fan favorite since his debut
Stryker - Hated to varying degrees until MK9
Sindel - Was never especially liked or disliked, has always seemed to be just kind of there with a smallish fanbase of sorts, I'd say even up to today
Sheeva - Still sort of unpopular
Motaro - Never had a large fanbase, demand for him hasn't ever reached critical mass or anything
Ermac - Took off pretty much right away. Big player favorite in UMK3 and has always maintained a consistent fanbase
Rain - Not too big of a fanbase, but people started taking notice around Armageddon and especially MK9
Khameleon - Has a few select fans, but no major fanbase exists. Demand for her in Armageddon was really due to her being the only one left out.
Chameleon - Ditto, minus the left out part
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 •10/24/2014 05:58 PM (UTC) •
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Hooky-Fooky Wrote:
I think MK9 might've had a hand in doing it, also just the general feeling of nostalgia. Add in the fact that a vast majority of the new characters in the last 15 years suck, and boom.


That "fact" is a matter of opinion.

And the exact same thing used to be said about many of MK3's new characters. Am I supposed to believe that nostalgia will not make some currently hated characters more popular with time, too?

Hell, Tanya used to be hugely hated too, and now, she's one of the most requested characters. Her return in MKD, which at the time wasn't hugely requested, might have something to do with her current popularity.
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 •10/24/2014 06:00 PM (UTC) •
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The MK3 characters are just as popular as they were years ago. I really see no change. But then again, I'm talking from gameplay perspective and not story.

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Yet people talk about post-MK3 characters and how their chances of returning are low


This is new to me.
Because everyone keeps crying about the characters that died in MK9, which are the characters of (U)MK3 and a few MKII.
I have not seen anyone talk about low chances of characters AFTER MK3.
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 •10/24/2014 06:01 PM (UTC) •
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DG1OA Wrote:
Hooky-Fooky Wrote:
I think MK9 might've had a hand in doing it, also just the general feeling of nostalgia. Add in the fact that a vast majority of the new characters in the last 15 years suck, and boom.


That "fact" is a matter of opinion.

And the exact same thing used to be said about many of MK3's new characters. Am I supposed to believe that nostalgia will not make some currently hated characters more popular with time, too?

Hell, Tanya used to be hugely hated too, and now, she's one of the most requested characters. Her return in MKD, which at the time wasn't hugely requested, might have something to do with her current popularity.


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 •10/24/2014 06:03 PM (UTC) •
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And besides, I don't get all the Tanya love. Another one that could be classified as "opinion".
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 •10/24/2014 08:18 PM (UTC) •
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smokeman14 Wrote:
They're popular now because the Post MK3 characters sucked. And after seeing what they did with Kenshis in MK9, people want to see that done with the lamer characters and make them cool.


Lame characters? I have not saw one lame character since MK1. It's not the characters fault that they are the way they are, blame the creator's.
It's in people's minds that they think the characters are lame. Just don't play as the "dubbed" lame characters or go find a different fighting game, it's that simple!

Also, of course with characters like Tanya, Fujin and Havik for example (if they make it), they will be totally awesome.
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 •10/24/2014 09:06 PM (UTC) •
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Revisionist history, all over the place. Take it from somebody who was around for the 90's and old enough to remember it: Nightwolf and Sindel were never unpopular.

Rain was actually fairly big when he came out too thanks to the tease of him in the UMK3 demo and the fact that he and Noob were the most broken characters in Trilogy.

People didn't start calling him a joke until years and years later when we were deep into the 3D era, it seemed like they'd never bring him back, people started wondering why, and then all of a sudden they were old enough and aware enough to get the Prince reference and go "Ohhhh, his creation was a gag, Boon doesn't take him seriously. That's why."
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 •10/24/2014 09:18 PM (UTC) •
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Ermac imho was the best MK3 character. I love stryker but he's developed nicely.
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 •10/24/2014 09:39 PM (UTC) •
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I would be OK with no MK3 kharacter this time around..
Ermac would be a good petition, but with Kenshi very likely on the rost, I see no point on having 2 telekinessis(don ́t know how to write this..) in the game..
Sektor would be cool too.. but don ́t think he will be..
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 •10/24/2014 09:54 PM (UTC) •
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RazorsEdge701 Wrote:
Revisionist history, all over the place. Take it from somebody who was around for the 90's and old enough to remember it: Nightwolf and Sindel were never unpopular.

Rain was actually fairly big when he came out too thanks to the tease of him in the UMK3 demo and the fact that he and Noob were the most broken characters in Trilogy.

People didn't start calling him a joke until years and years later when we were deep into the 3D era, it seemed like they'd never bring him back, people started wondering why, and then all of a sudden they were old enough and aware enough to get the Prince reference and go "Ohhhh, his creation was a gag, Boon doesn't take him seriously. That's why."


Doubtful. I still remember the majority of clubs hating MK3 overall. And since Toshinden and Tekken came along...


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Easy explanation:

if a character has been sidelined for an extensive amount of time, inevitably people will request them.


Same happens in literature, I cannot take R. A. Salvatore seriously (not that he ever wrote anything really worthwhile since the Drizzt Trilogy, being the fantasy-stock automaton he is) since he brought back the original party who were for all intent and purposes dead BY OLD AGE. BECAUSE THE FANS HAVE TO HOLD ON TO THEIR SECURITY BLANKETS figuratively speaking.

I love medieval stuff, yet in my fantasy stories I never use what I would like because that is not the aim.
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 •10/24/2014 10:18 PM (UTC) •
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Ermac wasn't in MK3, so how can he be the best? He came in Trilogy, which is not MK3.
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 •10/24/2014 10:21 PM (UTC) •
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Brutemaster Wrote:
Ermac wasn't in MK3, so how can he be the best? He came in Trilogy, which is not MK3.



Sweetcheeks, Ermac was in UMK3, same like Mileena.




Sidenote: headcanon can explained Human Smoke and Classic Sub Zero.


Rain and Noob Saibot were playable in the home versions of Umk3


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 •10/24/2014 10:27 PM (UTC) •
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Chrome Wrote:
I still remember the majority of clubs hating MK3 overall. And since Toshinden and Tekken came along...


That's not a sentiment I ever encountered either in person or online.

Hell, I'm not even sure any of the local arcades where I live carried a Tekken or VF game until closer to when MK4 came out, and the only Toshinden I ever saw was EGM ads for the PS1 version, I didn't even realize it wasn't a console exclusive until I checked its Wikipedia page just now.
That said, we weren't talking about popularity of the game, we were talking about characters. So the "sentiment encountered online" part would be way more relevant than anecdotes about the local arcade atmosphere, and that sentiment refers specifically to MK players and fans, talking about the games on MK Nightmares, then MK5.org, then MKO, and how they've felt over time, not the brief 1995 opinions of people who "Didn't like MK3 'cause Tekken was out."
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 •10/24/2014 10:52 PM (UTC) •
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Brutemaster Wrote:
smokeman14 Wrote:
They're popular now because the Post MK3 characters sucked. And after seeing what they did with Kenshis in MK9, people want to see that done with the lamer characters and make them cool.


Lame characters? I have not saw one lame character since MK1. It's not the characters fault that they are the way they are, blame the creator's


Right... because the fictional character obviously has feelings and didn't ask to be lame... okay. Anything can be blamed on the writers, so when calling a writers/artists character lame is doing just that, without having to say "The writers made me think Dairou is lame." No, I'm going to say Dairou is lame because I assume everyone knows he was created by a writer/artist.

I know what you're trying to say, but when you start saying things like "It's not the characters fault" you really need to step back and question whether or not if you're looking way to far into it.
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 •10/24/2014 11:01 PM (UTC) •
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Most MK3 characters were never unpopular, aside from Stryker. Even back in 1995 they were popular.

Stryker had the problem of looking a lot worse than he should have. As MK9 showed us, making him look more gruff and putting his hat the right way was all that was really required.

MK4 is where you start getting more and more characters that were unpopular right from the get-go. Stryker started looking a lot more appealing once we started seeing the likes of folks such as Jarek and Kobra.
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 •10/24/2014 11:29 PM (UTC) •
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Wanderer Wrote:
Stryker had the problem of looking a lot worse than he should have. As MK9 showed us, making him look more gruff and putting his hat the right way was all that was really required.


I think MK9 Stryker actually could have pulled off the backwards hat.

Losing the curly hair and pudge, and making his shirt look not-retarded was all it took.
Also, back on the earlier subject of revisionist history and opinons changing over time...people look back way less fondly on MK4 characters NOW than they did when the game actually came out. The only ones who were unpopular in '98 were Jarek and Kai. People seemed to dig Tanya, Reiko was a hot button topic 'cause of the whole "he might be Kahn" thing, and people STILL love Fujin and wanted to like Shinnok if it weren't for his not having his own moves.
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 •10/25/2014 01:19 AM (UTC) •
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Chrome Wrote:

I still remember the majority of clubs hating MK3 overall. And since Toshinden and Tekken came along...


This is pretty much the way it was up herebouts. People kind of scratched their heads at MK3, most of the action was on the SF Alpha, Killer Instinct and Virtua Fighter cabinets. And when I saw people up at MK, it was a non-stop Kabal vs Cyrax vs. Smoke vs. Sub-Zerox fest. It was really rare that I saw anybody else get picked. Same thing when UMK3 dropped, just replace Cyrax and Cyber-Smoke with Ermac and Human version.
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 •10/25/2014 02:21 AM (UTC) •
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H3ndrix Wrote:
Brutemaster Wrote:
smokeman14 Wrote:
They're popular now because the Post MK3 characters sucked. And after seeing what they did with Kenshis in MK9, people want to see that done with the lamer characters and make them cool.


Lame characters? I have not saw one lame character since MK1. It's not the characters fault that they are the way they are, blame the creator's


Right... because the fictional character obviously has feelings and didn't ask to be lame... okay. Anything can be blamed on the writers, so when calling a writers/artists character lame is doing just that, without having to say "The writers made me think Dairou is lame." No, I'm going to say Dairou is lame because I assume everyone knows he was created by a writer/artist.


Wow, you got it all wrong. Re-read how it's written. You're reading it from your point of view and commenting on it wrong.

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Brutemaster Wrote:
Ermac wasn't in MK3, so how can he be the best? He came in Trilogy, which is not MK3.



Sweetcheeks, Ermac was in UMK3, same like Mileena.




Sidenote: headcanon can explained Human Smoke and Classic Sub Zero.


Rain and Noob Saibot were playable in the home versions of Umk3




My apologies, but, that is UMK3 and not MK3. Two different games, the original MK3 then UMK3 with added characters, which is not the same.
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 •10/25/2014 02:34 AM (UTC) •
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You're nitpicking semantics. When people say "MK3", they usually mean it as a shorthand for the MK3 era of games, MK3, UMK3, and Trilogy.
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 •10/25/2014 02:41 AM (UTC) •
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Brutemaster Wrote:
H3ndrix Wrote:
Brutemaster Wrote:
smokeman14 Wrote:
They're popular now because the Post MK3 characters sucked. And after seeing what they did with Kenshis in MK9, people want to see that done with the lamer characters and make them cool.


Lame characters? I have not saw one lame character since MK1. It's not the characters fault that they are the way they are, blame the creator's


Right... because the fictional character obviously has feelings and didn't ask to be lame... okay. Anything can be blamed on the writers, so when calling a writers/artists character lame is doing just that, without having to say "The writers made me think Dairou is lame." No, I'm going to say Dairou is lame because I assume everyone knows he was created by a writer/artist.


Wow, you got it all wrong. Re-read how it's written. You're reading it from your point of view and commenting on it wrong.


No need to re-read it, like I said, I know what you meant, you're just nit-picking at what we are saying and meaning. My point is, saying it's not a characters "fault" in any context is just silly. We know who's fault it really is when we call a character lame/stupid/dumb whatever.

I might only say Dairou sucks, but I know it's the creator's fault.
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