Who was UMK3 / MKT Classic Sub Zero supposed to be in MK4???
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Who was UMK3 / MKT Classic Sub Zero supposed to be in MK4???
06/21/2004 09:44 PM EDT
If you've seen Classic Sub Zero's UMK3/MKT ending you know what I mean:



So he was in MK4, and had competed in a previous Mortal Kombat.

Did Midway's storyline people pretend this never happened when they made MK4, or was the mysterious Sub Zero actualy a fighter from the 4th game?

And even if they did forget about this ending, who do you guys think it was supposed to be, when they orignaly wrote this ending for UMK3/MKT?
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06/18/2004 09:01 PM EDT
My guess is that they're just ignoring this and retconned it that he never existed.
I don't know whho they intende dit to be. I hope it wasn't supposed to be the orignal Sub-Zero from MK1. So far he holds the dignity of being the only character to die and STAY dead.








Or....
maybe it was Reiko. Because Reiko's become the scapegoat for every mystery and unexplained character in Mortal Kombat.
Reiko's Shao Kahn....no, Reiko's Shang Tsung.....no, Reiko's Rain......no, Reiko's Noob Saibot....no, Reiko's the Easter Bunny.....
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06/18/2004 09:02 PM EDT
A lot of people insist it's the older brother from MK1, but it's clear to me it's saying it's someone else.


There is no reference to him in MK4 or any other game. It was just dropped.


My guess is they never knew who it would be. I'm betting they wrote the ending in a hurry and just wanted a mysterious ending they could tie up later if they wanted to.
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06/20/2004 02:07 AM EDT
Ninja Sub-Zero's ending says: "A Warrior Long Been Missing From A "Previous" MK, and one who will return in the fourth."

This means that whoever this warrior was, UMK3 was his first Mortal Kombat, but he was supposed to be in another, and he did return in the fourth. Whoever he is, we may never quite know, and everyone has their theory. Let's look at all fifteen figthers and see who it could possibly be.

1)Kai=Slight Possibility. He was a Shaolin Warrior that may have trained with either Liu, or Kung Lao, yet never made it to MK.
2)Raiden=Definitely Not. He was in MK1, and MKII so he was never missing from a previous MK like the ending states.
3)Shinnok=High Possibility. Shinnok is an ex-elder god and can mimic his opponent's weather they be dead, or alive.
4)Liu Kang=Definitely Not. He has been around since MK1
5)Reptile=Definitely Not. He too has been around since MK1
6)Scorpion=Definitely Not. Been around since MK1
7)Jarek=Very, Very Low Possibility. He was missing from a previous MK, but it is was doubtful to miss his hairy figure. grin
8)Reiko=Another Slight Possibility. Ever since the Kahn ending in the CD Versions, Reiko has been a mystery to us all, and MK4 was his first appearance like Shinnok, Jarek, and Kai. Yet, Reiko's paint would have shown thought if that is what it was.
9)JAX=Definitely Not. He's been around since MKII
10)Fujin=Very Low Possibility. Even though MK4 was his first MK, I still think he'd use his wind powers, rather than manipulate a dead one's.
11)Tanya=NO WAY!! It is her first MK but if she was behind the mask, Sub-Zero would have a pretty funny looking figure in UMK3 now wouldn't he grin
12)Quan Chi=High Possibility. He is a sorcerer, and can use any magic he wishes. The only thing I see wrong with this possibility is his skin color, unless he used magic to change it as well.
13)Young Sub-Zero(Unmasked MK3)=Definitely Not. Grant it he has the same powers, but as the story goes, he was in MKII an on, and the warriors are shocked to know the identity. It at least had to be someone they all knew.
14)Sonya Blade=NO WAY!! See Tanya for the explaination.
15)Johnny Cage=Very Low Possibility. Cage has been around since MK1. The speed of Sub-Zero's roundhouse combos does make you think twice though doesn't it?
16)Noob Saibot=Defintiely Not. Noob has been around since MKII, and Sub-Zero would have had black skin at that point.
17)Meat=Very Low Possibility, But More Of A No. Meat was a skeleton, and Sub-Zero was not. End of story here.

I'm not adding the MK Gold fighters, for they will all be noes. So who do I think it is?
1)Who was missing from previous MK's like it says in the ending that is in MK4?=Kai, Shinnok, Jarek,
Reiko, Tanya, Quan Chi, and Fujin. So it has to be one of these fighters. Since Tanya is a female, she is automatically eliminated as a suspect which leaves Kai, Shinnok, Jarek, Reiko, Fujin, and Quan Chi. One of them were Sub-Zero.
2)Who would shock both Earth, and Outworld warriors? It has to be someone they know, or heard about.=Shinnok, and Quan Chi. Everyone would know the former Elder God, and the sorcerer. Reiko is a no. Not everyone knew Reiko from Earthrealm. Jarek, and Kai would only be known more on Earth. Fujin too could be a possibility.
3)Who could possess the powers?=Shinnok, and Quan Chi. In my opinion, Fujin would have his wind powers.
4)Who do I think it is, and why?=I believe it to be Shinnok. Quan Chi's skin tone would throw him off, and Quan Chi would never be able to play a simple man who sided with Earth. If you remember from MKM, Sub-Zero met Shinnok in a cell, and Shinnok kept his cool like he was on Sub-Zero's side. Shinnok also can immitate his enemies very well dead, or alive. He's the former Elder God of Shadows. Shadows immitate their human counterparts. Since Sub-Zero defeates Shao Kahn according to his story, and removes his mask to shock people, the "shock" is that Shinnok defeated his own son in order to get the Earth as his own. That is why I believe that UMK3 Ninja Sub-Zero was Shinnok in disguise. wow
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06/20/2004 06:50 AM EDT
as far as i know they wanted to use Classic Sub-Zero in UMK3/T so that they could have another character with different moves, what the story was didn't matter, they just wrote out some random stuff for him that they had no intention of fulfilling so that he could be used.

The same went for Human Smoke about winning the tournament allowed him to escape his cyborg body, that wasn't actually true they just needed to give him a story since they were using him.
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06/20/2004 08:57 AM EDT

trynax Wrote:
Ninja Sub-Zero's ending says: "A Warrior Long Been Missing From A "Previous" MK, and one who will return in the fourth."

This means that whoever this warrior was, UMK3 was his first Mortal Kombat, but he was supposed to be in another, and he did return in the fourth.


How can you say that UMK3 was his first MK, when it plainly states that he was killed in the first MK? And previous means past, UMK3 was the present.
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06/20/2004 09:22 AM EDT
People would have been pissed if there wasn't a classic Sub Zero in the game, so they put him in and just wrote up something mysterious to keep people happy.
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06/20/2004 12:38 PM EDT
He isn't the guy that got killed in MK1. It says he was thought to be but when he removes his mask everyone is shocked to see who it really is. Meaning it's someone else.
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06/20/2004 12:47 PM EDT
Oh yeah, I get what you're saying.
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06/20/2004 03:30 PM EDT

trynax Wrote:
Who do I think it is, and why?=I believe it to be Shinnok. Quan Chi's skin tone would throw him off, and Quan Chi would never be able to play a simple man who sided with Earth. If you remember from MKM, Sub-Zero met Shinnok in a cell, and Shinnok kept his cool like he was on Sub-Zero's side. Shinnok also can immitate his enemies very well dead, or alive. He's the former Elder God of Shadows. Shadows immitate their human counterparts. Since Sub-Zero defeates Shao Kahn according to his story, and removes his mask to shock people, the "shock" is that Shinnok defeated his own son in order to get the Earth as his own. That is why I believe that UMK3 Ninja Sub-Zero was Shinnok in disguise.


Interesting, and you could very well be right, especially since Noob Saibot's ending shows him making way for the Elder God's return.

However, I found a few discrepencies in your theory: Shinnok was never revealed to be Shao Khan's father in the games, only in the movies. Since the movies aren't canonical in relavence to the games, the Earth warriors and Outworld forces couldn't be shocked that Shinnok killed Shao Khan, because they weren't related. However, knowing how dangerous the rouge Elder God was and hearing of his subsequent banishment to the Netherealm, I'm willing to believe that the warriors would be shocked to find Shinnok back and ready to kick ass, just like he does in MK4.

And where does it say that Kai, Quan Chi, Shinnok, Fujin, and Jarek were in a previous MK? Kai, possibly, since he *was* a shaolin monk, but none of the others were said to be in one. The war with Shinnok and the Heavens were just that: a war among gods, not an MK tournament. And it sure looked like Jarek wanted nothing to do with MK or the conflict with Shinnok.

And one last fact: Mortal Kombat stopped being a tournament since after MK2. MK3 and beyond have been wars and conflicts, not actual tournaments. So, until MK starts being a tournament again, Classic Subby's ending will, technically, never come true, since it states that he'll be back in the next tournament.
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06/20/2004 04:06 PM EDT
So Mortal Kombat did the Scoobie Doo ending with Sub-zero, "Who was it?" and Sub-zero says: "And I would have gotten away with it if it weren't for you meddling kids!"

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06/20/2004 04:49 PM EDT

I think the Sub-zero that fought in Mortal Kombat 1 the game is the same masked Sub-zero that fought in UMK3 and MKT. Yeah, the Sub-zero that fought in MK1 was killed by Scorpion, but he somehow came back from where ever he went after he died, much like Scorpion has threwout MK history.That being said he dissappeared after MKT. MKT's ending of the classic sub-zero hinted that that same Sub-zero would be back, but that didn't hold true since you can see Sub-zero masked in MK4 that shows that he is the same Sub-zero from MK3( the younger brother) and also the mark of death.So classic Sub-zero seems to disappeared once again

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06/20/2004 07:33 PM EDT

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He isn't the guy that got killed in MK1. It says he was thought to be but when he removes his mask everyone is shocked to see who it really is. Meaning it's someone else.


Or it means the older Subby was really never killed, only thought to be killed, so they were all shocked to see him alive and well.
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06/20/2004 07:41 PM EDT
it was ment to be considered the mk2 version of the same sub-zero. he even has his mk2 bio and move set. they changed his ending to make him interesting. he isnt another character. sub-zero didnt win mk3, so the ending never happened.

people look into things too much and try to find something that isnt really there.
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06/20/2004 09:38 PM EDT
look people the ending is one of the endings which are those what if endings. they just put that for filler instead of just putting sub-zero wins like they did for montaro. they rather give mk fans an ending for a fighter instead of just having a beloved mk fighter have no ending. do i think it happened no. but if its something boons been hiding he could of been in mk4 and then he is sub in mkda and maybe thats were the deception is. but u can only speculate. ask boon or vogel on what it means.
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06/20/2004 09:59 PM EDT
Or it means the older Subby was really never killed, only thought to be killed, so they were all shocked to see him alive and well.


That makes no sense. Look at the wording of it.

"Having been killed in the first tournament, Sub-Zero somehow seems to have emerged to win the third tournament. However, upon removing his mask
both the Outworld and the Earth-born warriors are shocked to discover the true identity of this warrior."


It says the dead MK1 Sub seems to have come back to life and won. However when he takes off his mask everyone is surprised by who it really is.
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06/20/2004 11:32 PM EDT

Anyanka Wrote:
Or it means the older Subby was really never killed, only thought to be killed, so they were all shocked to see him alive and well.


That makes no sense. Look at the wording of it.

"Having been killed in the first tournament, Sub-Zero somehow seems to have emerged to win the third tournament. However, upon removing his mask
both the Outworld and the Earth-born warriors are shocked to discover the true identity of this warrior."


It says the dead MK1 Sub seems to have come back to life and won. However when he takes off his mask everyone is surprised by who it really is.


I wouldn't say it doesn't make sense just cause of that last part. Who's to say they wouldn't be surprised to see the older Subby alive and kicking when they thought he was dead all this time. Say through out the whole tournament everyone(whoever the people are that see him take of his mask) are wondering if thats him or not, then when he does take off his mask they are surprised to see it really is the original Subby.

So it does make sense. Just have to think of a what if scenerio, since that story is only a what if ending.
Hell, it could have just been the younger brother using his MK2 style like someone said. I never said my theory was the correct theory since not one theory is correct when it comes to this. It's a what if ending, just like everyone's what if theory.
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06/21/2004 12:05 AM EDT
They're not wondering if he's alive or not and then shocked when he is. They think he's come back to life then are shocked when it's someone else.

Again, look at the wording.


"Having been killed in the first tournament, Sub-Zero somehow seems to have emerged to win the third tournament.


Somehow the dead Subby is back and has won.


However, upon removing his mask
both the Outworld and the Earth-born warriors are shocked to discover the true identity of this warrior."



However when he takes off the mask everyone is shocked to discover it's someone else.



Notice the word "however". It says the dead Sub seems to have won. HOWEVER when he takes off the mask everyone is shocked to see who it is. It seemed Sub had come back to life. If he had taken off the mask and been old Sub they wouldn't be shocked. That's what they had thought all along. They're shocked because it's someone else.


It's worded to be cryptic, so we don't know who it is. If all it's saying is that it's the old Sub back from the dead why bother with the vague clues? The wording of it only makes sense if it's saying it's someone else.


Also, as far as we know the Earth warriors and Outworld people haven't seen the old Sub unmasked.
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06/21/2004 12:18 AM EDT
It really doens't matter. "Classic" Sub-Zero was just a filler character that they're probably never going to be mentioned again.
All we know about him is that he's some guy pretending to be the original Sub-Zero that was from a previous tournament. That doesn't even mean he was from MK1 or MK2. For all we know, he was from an MK years and years ago.

But if you really want an explanation for what happened to him, I figure one of three things happned to the "Classic" Sub-Zero of UMK3:

1) He ran into the current Sub-Zero who said "You're disgracing the memory of my brother." and then proceeded to beat the shit out him causing him to go away and never come back.
2) He ran into Scorpion who assumed it was the original Sub-Zero back somehow, and killed him.
3) He ran into Sektor or Cyrax who were programed to kill Sub-Zero and mistook him for the one they were after and they killed him.
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06/21/2004 12:25 AM EDT
For my theory, it wasn't the only one I had. I had several others. I too at one point thought it to be Johnny Cage. Like I stated in the beginning of my post, I said it was my theory, it didn't mean it was true. My other theory is simple. MK1 Sub-Zero was never killed, and here's how I think that could have happened.

Remember MK1 Sub-Zero's ending how it states he was paid a large sum of money by one of Tsung's wealthiest enemies? I believe Quan Chi was the enemy it talked about. Close to the end of MK1, Sub-Zero somehow ran into Quan Chi, and made a deal with him since he helped him once before in getting the amulet. Quan Chi didn't mind, because he still had the true amulet in his possession. He used his magic to make a clone of Sub-Zero so identical to the real Sub-Zero that when Scorpion killed him, he did not know he was killing a fake. Sub-Zero would remain in the Netherealm with Sareena. In MKM they seemed to have a little thing going. When Noob Saibot entered UMK3/MKT to spy on events unfolding, MK1 Sub-Zero followed him into the war as well. Thus when his mask is removed, that is why everyone could be shocked. But still keep this in mind when reading this theory, and why I still think it couldn't be MK1 Sub-Zero. Two reasons:

1)No one knew what he looked like unmasked. So they couldn't be shocked to see him.

2)The ending still states that it is a warrior missing from a previous tournament. MK1 Sub-Zero was in the very first tournament, so this automatically disqualifies him as being "the man behind the mask."

The endings aren't realy cryptic, but they are more of a riddle that you have to sort of figure out. Everyone's ending in every game states that they defeated the main boss. This is stuff you can almost always ignore, because only one person can be the victor, and up until MKDA it was Liu Kang. Anyway, in closing let me remind you of MK4 Tanya's ending where Liu Kang was killed. When I saw this, I knew he probably wouldn't have been around anymore. Another way to find out what realy happened is to put everyone's ending together. Baraka, and Mileena never hosted MK4 like the MKT ending stated, they just vanished.
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06/21/2004 07:46 AM EDT
first of all that ending could not of happened cause umk3 and mkt was NOT a tournement. it was a war between good and evil. and how could subby not be dead if his head was ripped off.
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06/21/2004 08:13 AM EDT
This ending will never be explained, unfortunately. I think honestly that they planned to introduce a completely new character, a 'living legend' of MK that just never had any bearing on the previous 3 games. Possibly, they could have intended for it to be the original Kung Lao. If so, I'm glad they dropped the idea. He fits the bill, but...ugh.

I like the idea of it possibly being Shinnok though.

Anyway, I think it's Captain Crunch. Yeah, the cereal mascot. He seems as likely a candidate as any at this point. >_>
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06/21/2004 09:45 AM EDT
No bio or ending says it's NOT a tournament, but more than 1 refers to it as "the third tournament".
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06/21/2004 04:03 PM EDT

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They're not wondering if he's alive or not and then shocked when he is. They think he's come back to life then are shocked when it's someone else.

Again, look at the wording.



"Having been killed in the first tournament, Sub-Zero somehow seems to have emerged to win the third tournament.


Somehow the dead Subby is back and has won.


However, upon removing his mask
both the Outworld and the Earth-born warriors are shocked to discover the true identity of this warrior."


However when he takes off the mask everyone is shocked to discover it's someone else.



Notice the word "however". It says the dead Sub seems to have won. HOWEVER when he takes off the mask everyone is shocked to see who it is. It seemed Sub had come back to life. If he had taken off the mask and been old Sub they wouldn't be shocked. That's what they had thought all along. They're shocked because it's someone else.


It's worded to be cryptic, so we don't know who it is. If all it's saying is that it's the old Sub back from the dead why bother with the vague clues? The wording of it only makes sense if it's saying it's someone else.


Also, as far as we know the Earth warriors and Outworld people haven't seen the old Sub unmasked.


Please tell me why they wouldn't be shocked? You can't because you didn't write this ending.

Oh and sorry but this ending was never fully explained so stop acting like it was. It you look at the story even with the "however" in it, it could be looked as they were shocked. Even in MK it's not everyday someone comes back to life. Up to then only Scorpion has come back to life if I'mt not mistaken.

There really is no need to be so picky about this. I have my theory and you have your theory. No need to act like the all knowing theory person and shoot down everything but yours. Have a nice day.
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06/21/2004 09:44 PM EDT
I never said it was fully explained. In one of the first replies in this thread I said it was left open. However one thing we know is that it's not the old Sub from MK1. I'm not being picky either nor am I shooting down everyone's theories.


I know they were shocked because it was someone else because it says so. Again, look at how it's worded. It says itself what they were shocked about.

"both the Outworld and the Earth-born warriors are shocked to discover the true identity of this warrior."

They are shocked to see who it was. Before it had seemed the old Sub had come back from the dead and won. So if it seemed like that why would they be shocked to see who it was? They already thought it was the dead Subby!

What you're saying is like "Joe seems to have won MK3. However when he removes his mask everyone is shocked to discover it's Joe."
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