Why was Scorpion not in MK3???
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posted03/03/2005 11:43 PM (UTC)by
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migueltwecorral
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12/12/2004 07:45 AM (UTC)
This Question was probley asked before, but why was scorpion not in MK3,
Sub Zero was in it.......confused

(Not UMK3)
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Siduu101
02/15/2005 12:19 AM (UTC)
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maybe because he went to hell or maybe because they didn't know people love him so much.
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Bloodline666
02/15/2005 01:36 AM (UTC)
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I'd like to point out that Cyrax was originally intended to be Scorpion, believe it or not. But they nixed the idea of Scorpion being a robot immediately, but still wanted the robots in MK3, but they couldn't come up with names for them. Therefore, Tony Goskie comes up with the names "Ketchup" and "Mustard," until they were permanently named Sektor and Cyrax, respectively. I think the fact that a robot ninja being originally intended to be Scorpion is where they came up with the idea of making Smoke a robot ninja in MK3.

However, I am convinced that UMK3 was pre-conceived, because I was searching through my old gaming magazines from ten years ago, and read in the June 95 issue of GamePro magazine (yes, JUNE 95...the month the last revision of MK3 was released in Arcades) that an upgrade of MK3 was planned with extra characters. With a magazine dated that long before we knew ANY details of UMK3 saying something like that, I would think UMK3 was pre-conceived, probably because they came up with so many new characters for MK3 that they ran out of space for Scorpion, Reptile, Kitana, and all those characters, so they probably figured fans were gonna be pissed at the absense of such characters, so I guess they planned a memory upgrade ahead of time.
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TheGreg
02/15/2005 02:45 AM (UTC)
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Yeah, when I first played MK3 (at a supermarket) I figured Cyrax would turn out to be Scorpion... most people probably did, being that he was a yellow ninja and the net was so similar to the spear. I'm glad they didn't do that. That probably would have made Sektor be Ermac, and that would have sucked even more.
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02/15/2005 04:08 AM (UTC)
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Yes, UMK3 was planned from the beginning. They had even talked about it before MK3 itself came out. There's a small teaser for UMK3 in MK3 if you beat the Master tower and you can see footage of it being filmed in the making of MK3 video.
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02/15/2005 04:41 AM (UTC)
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Anyanka Wrote:
Yes, UMK3 was planned from the beginning. They had even talked about it before MK3 itself came out. There's a small teaser for UMK3 in MK3 if you beat the Master tower and you can see footage of it being filmed in the making of MK3 video.


Is that arcade only?

And another example of the fact that it was pre-planned is the last line of the screen you get after beating the Master Tower:

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Sea_Serpent
02/15/2005 07:58 AM (UTC)
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I thot it was because they wanted MK3 to get away from the Ninjas for a bit. Hence why Sub was no longer in his ninja uniform, but still in the game. Then I heard that since the fans did not enjoy/like mk3 so much (because of no ninjas)... they then quickly created UMK3 bringing in all the Ninjas and female ninjas.

Not sure if that was the case, thats just what I've been told.
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02/15/2005 08:18 AM (UTC)
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Yahahahaha! Money money money money moneeeee-eeeeey...

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The very first screen I saw for MK3 was the Kitana vs. Scorpion in Hell one. I remembered seeing lots of stuff advertised, then the mag features came with bios for the fighters, and Scorpion, Kitana, and them were missing. I thought I had imagined all that stuff.

When UMK3 finally came out there were lots of theories, people saying Cyrax was robot Scorpion, and that Ermac was the human form of Sektor. Ah memories...



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02/15/2005 03:45 PM (UTC)
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Bloodline666 Wrote:
I'd like to point out that Cyrax was originally intended to be Scorpion, believe it or not. But they nixed the idea of Scorpion being a robot immediately, but still wanted the robots in MK3, but they couldn't come up with names for them. Therefore, Tony Goskie comes up with the names "Ketchup" and "Mustard," until they were permanently named Sektor and Cyrax, respectively. I think the fact that a robot ninja being originally intended to be Scorpion is where they came up with the idea of making Smoke a robot ninja in MK3.

However, I am convinced that UMK3 was pre-conceived, because I was searching through my old gaming magazines from ten years ago, and read in the June 95 issue of GamePro magazine (yes, JUNE 95...the month the last revision of MK3 was released in Arcades) that an upgrade of MK3 was planned with extra characters. With a magazine dated that long before we knew ANY details of UMK3 saying something like that, I would think UMK3 was pre-conceived, probably because they came up with so many new characters for MK3 that they ran out of space for Scorpion, Reptile, Kitana, and all those characters, so they probably figured fans were gonna be pissed at the absense of such characters, so I guess they planned a memory upgrade ahead of time.


Yeah I sort read the same thing. Mostly UMK3 was the MK3 they had really wanted ,but they ran out of time.
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02/15/2005 06:30 PM (UTC)
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its simple.

in mk2, scorp finds out that subbie is innocent and that he killed subbie1
so he had no reason to be there.
in umk3, they realised he was the coolest character and so they extended the storyline to get him to come back.
the same thing happened in mk4. he knew subbie was not the murderer but they needed to bring the favourite back. therefore, quan chi claimed that it was subbie that was the killer.

(i hate people who say that scorp is still after subbie. the above is the true storyline and the reason why he missed mk3)

it is still possible that he was confused over the robot idea as said by another guy in this forum
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migueltwecorral
02/15/2005 11:22 PM (UTC)
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I Know that Scorpion is not after Sub-Zero, But it was'nt scorpion suppost to pretect Sub-Zero (or something like that)
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02/15/2005 11:35 PM (UTC)
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scorpion vowed to protect sub-zero. so i suppose even though he is not after him, he would still protect him

but.....

firstly he could not escape from the netherrealm until umk3 coz kahn tried to invade it as well.
secondly, he did not know of a tournament until kahn invaded the netherrealm
thirdly, he allied with kahn because he had nothing better to do because he did not even know that sub-zero was present at the tournament until the end. so, as vowed, he turned on kahn when he ordered a strike against sub-zero and the rest. though he did not defeat him. therefore either a henchman e.g. reptile or ermac defeated him unless he reached kahn who would have defeated him anyway.

is that clear now? (not sarcastic)
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02/15/2005 11:44 PM (UTC)
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thats just saying he's got jack to do with the story, but making it sound cool. even with a slight addition to the storyline, Scorp was pointless in UMK3/T. As someone else already said, they realized that MK's bad@$$ was gone, so they put him back in.
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TheGreg
02/16/2005 01:14 AM (UTC)
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They should let the guys in Ultimate Fighting Championship matches use spears and shit like that. Give them Stryker's bombs and baton and Kabal's hookswords. All of a sudden the shit wouldn't be so boring.
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whizzo3030
02/17/2005 03:41 AM (UTC)
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play ultimate or trilogy and get oner it
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Smoke01
02/18/2005 12:19 AM (UTC)
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Maybe it was because they wanted to put Smoke in and get him as like the main attraction of MK3. Smoke has a spear, which they would give him even though he was now a robot, and putting Scorpion in the game would have defeated the purpose of having to unlock Smoke.

They could have also tried to make it more realistic, or at least as realistic as they could, since they were now in Earthrealm. In Outworld, it was ok to have all the magical walking dead things running around since it was that kinda place, but in Earth they have more normal characters like Liu Kang, Kung Lao, Jax, Sonya, and Stryker. Subbie had the new unmasked not so mystical ninja look too. So they could've tried to pull away from all this as much as they could without taking too much away from the game.

Thus, UMK3 was the backup plan if the MK3 idea didnt go so well.

This is just my theories, but i have often wondered about the subject. Never really put much thought into it until i read this thread tho.furious
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TheGreg
02/18/2005 03:11 AM (UTC)
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Maybe he was getting his nails done.
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firesnake
02/21/2005 10:42 PM (UTC)
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they just put everyone elase in umkfuriousfuriousfuriousfuriousfuriousfuriousfuriousfuriousfuriousfurious
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travelingwilbury
02/24/2005 04:24 AM (UTC)
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Smoke01 Wrote:
Maybe it was because they wanted to put Smoke in and get him as like the main attraction of MK3. Smoke has a spear, which they would give him even though he was now a robot, and putting Scorpion in the game would have defeated the purpose of having to unlock Smoke.

They could have also tried to make it more realistic, or at least as realistic as they could, since they were now in Earthrealm. In Outworld, it was ok to have all the magical walking dead things running around since it was that kinda place, but in Earth they have more normal characters like Liu Kang, Kung Lao, Jax, Sonya, and Stryker. Subbie had the new unmasked not so mystical ninja look too. So they could've tried to pull away from all this as much as they could without taking too much away from the game.

Thus, UMK3 was the backup plan if the MK3 idea didnt go so well.

This is just my theories, but i have often wondered about the subject. Never really put much thought into it until i read this thread tho.furious




your kinda right but not right. umk3 was going to be mk3 but because midway is on a time limit they couldnt finsh it and mk3 came out the way it did and they were going to release umk3 later that year. now scorpion was not in mk3 because like the new combo system boon and co wanted mk3 to have a makeover so they wanted a completely new roster hence why many favorites were left out.


this is not theroy but truth
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dreemernj
02/24/2005 04:47 AM (UTC)
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I think it could be an attempt to break the common string in fighters of having a dueling pair. They restyled one and cut the other, and included a large number of new characters (thankfully), Fighters don't change their casts up enough IMO.
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robs727
02/24/2005 11:49 AM (UTC)
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One thing that i find annoying about UMK3, is that it seems to not be as "polished" as MK3. By that I mean that, MK3 had 2 pics for all the characters endings, while UMK3 from what i remember only had the VS screen pose. Also with the Bio' s during the intro, MK3 had these really great pics of the characters, while UMK3 you get to see the VS pose pic again! MInd you i haven't played UMK3 for awhile, so i hope thats right tongue

If UMK3 was what MK3 was supposed to be, wouldn't they have all that sort of stuff?, they just could have just added that for UMK3, but if Ultimate was decided to be made later, then they didn't have the actors etc... to do capture pics, so they just used what they had to fill in stuff like ending / bio pics.

Does that make any sense??
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queve
02/27/2005 07:43 PM (UTC)
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It sucks that they did that though.

Because characters that did NOT make it to Mk3 are just considered “second options” by most. Like, just thrown additions to make the game better that they didn’t care for at the start.

Same thing in MkGold.
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Kintaro6980
02/28/2005 08:15 AM (UTC)
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he got lost on the thruway and didnt make it in time.
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03/03/2005 11:43 PM (UTC)
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The reason why scorpion was not in MK3 was because the story of MK3
was the invasion of earthrealm. all the souls of the earthrealm people were striped from them, leaving the only people left which is the earthrealm fighters sub,liu,kunglao ect only a few Outworld fighter's came to earthrealm to take over the important people liike: Shao,Sindel,Tsung,Motaro and some backups like: Sheeva.
There were also other's like Smoke,Cyrax and Sektor which are "Soul Leess" but with UMK3 this is like a linking to Outworld and Earthrealm making all of the fighter's avalible for the invasion.
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