I like the way they sped up MKD.The MKDA fighting was good IMO.But they should add more fighting situations.What I mean by fighting situation is the reversals,Throws,and dashes.

Reversals:I liked the way you had to time reversals in MKDA but it felt very stiff when you performed them.Plus you could always do a combo once you do that.Combos are nice but I hope in MKD they will have "Exclusive Reversal Moves".There should be certain moves that you can only do in a reversal.

Throws:In MKDA you could always throw someone when there blocking which can be annoying sometime against the CPU.It could also be used as a cheap tactic(I used it a few times myself ).They should add more varieties when it comes to throwing.

Throw 1:In front of opponet
Throw 2:Side of opponet
throw 3:Behind opponet

There is also one cool throw they could add.It's called a Chain Throw(3 or 4 part throw).I've seen it in a few other fighting games.For example the first part of the throw is a takedown,then hit let's say up+2 your charter will perform a grab or throw his opponet up in the air,then after the grab they can crack his/her neck(good way to add Bone Breakers) or any other body part.Or like I said after you throw the opponet in the air you could jump up and throw them while in mid-air.

Dashes:The dashes were useless in MKDA.I barely used them because I could never dash away from a move.They should make the dashes faster like they did Drahmin's just without the 2 dashes.

That's all I have to say for now.

In response to Mrschpfmut:

Okay tell me this, how is saying that MK should be more like Soul Calibur thinking outside the box? Saying something should be like something else? If you wanna think outside the box, because, let's be honest here, the "box" is SC, VF, and Tekken when it comes to 3D fighters, then say that MK should make itself better than those games. Those are the standards.

Everyone here who keeps referencing Tekken, SC etc talk about the multitude of moves. Guess what? They all have a ton of moves. What if you make a fighting game where each character has an infinite number of moves? How? Well, the Fighter Maker series dabbled in it a little bit to varying degrees of success, by allowing you to create moves for your characters. Now, I'm not advocating this for MK, I'm just saying, ideas like that, or having a character that you build COMPLETELY from scratch (race, hight, clothes, alignment, story, endings, right down to the size of their fingers and the color of their socks and scars) are ideas that are outside the box.

But some people that are bashing MK just don't get it. You either like MK:D, or MK:DA, or the MK series for what it is. It's successes and it's failures. It's shortcomings and it's strengths. Personally, after playing MK, I thought it was weird when virtua fighter didn't have any story, and the jumping looked all retarded. But that's okay, because that's VF's style. If you can't accept the fighting system, or you don't like the style of the game, then what do you like about MK? Furthermore, why are you here?

I'm not saying that you can't bitch and moan because your fave character didn't get in or the graphics aren't improved or whatever, not at all. I'm just saying that to attack the core of the game means you obviously didn't like the last one. If that's the case, then go play SC2, play a little MK2 when you're feeling nostalgic, and be content knowing that you like the games you have. Just don't diss MK fans because we like the style and substance of this series.

Drfatality: Some great ideas there. I'm crossing my fingers for a brand new throw/reversal system in Deception. It's in these two areas that I would love to see MK become more like Tekken/VF both in style and system. Most of the throws and reversals in DA were just plain generic and boring. I know Boon and company can come up with something a little more imaginative. Also, a throw break/reversal counter system would be most welcome IMO.

baraka405 or whatever the digits are after your name: Saying your a master at T3 and SC already makes your opinion worthless since absolutely nobody has ever heard of you. Win a few nationals then come back and say you're a master..k? Thanks.

and BTW..the 60 or so moves in the roster's move list were 90% useless. Thats why when you watch high level MKDA you only see 3 moves per char used..maybe 5.

In VF4 there are a lot more moves and they have a lot more uses.

and BTW..the 60 or so moves in the roster's move list were 90% useless. Thats why when you watch high level MKDA you only see 3 moves per char used..maybe 5.

In VF4 there are a lot more moves and they have a lot more uses.

baraka407 Wrote: In response to Mrschpfmut: Okay tell me this, how is saying that MK should be more like Soul Calibur thinking outside the box?

Dude, WTF!?! Obviously you didn't read my post or didn't get the idea of it. The first damn thing i said was "NOBODY WANTS A CLONE OF THOSE GAMES..."

And my sc2 reference was for... guess what... a reference! I was trying to get a whole tie in with two of my statements, 'Custom Combos' and 'Making something complex to something simple,' meaning simple execution, many many many results! Thats it, period.

baraka407 Wrote: ...having a character that you build COMPLETELY from scratch (race, hight, clothes, alignment, story, endings, right down to the size of their fingers and the color of their socks and scars) are ideas that are outside the box.

Fluff, Fluff, Fluff, Fluff, Fluff, Fluff, Fluff, Fluff, Fluff... and Fluff. Did you read the title to this thread?

moving on...

I'm not bashing the game. ok, maybe a little... Obviously you don't know who I am, and not going into that, I want the best things to come of Mortal Kombat! I'm a competitive gamer, I loved DA up to a certain point when I saw how flawed the fighting was. Look, I'm just trying to get people to understand this so they will actually take notice and care about whats wrong with the part of the game that you actually play, instead of bitching about not being able to push a character off the side of a stage and characters!

It takes a lot to irritate me but this whole "If you don't like MK for what it is then leave" attitude is getting on my nerves. It's because we like MK that we criticize it. Why can't some people understand that. Learn to walk and talk at the same time. If we didn't care about MK we wouldn't be putting so much energy into discussing what could make it better. Why do you think that so many Ranger fans are critical of how the team is being run? Are they not real Ranger fans? Would you tell them to leave Madison Square Garden because they're not happy with the Leech trade? Learn to hold two opposing concepts in your head at once. We can like MK but not like the grapple system in MK. When that happens you end up with constructive criticism which is a good thing. If you want MK to stay in the dark ages, fine that's your business. But don't pretend you're the better MK fan because of it.

Neurotransmitter Wrote: lareinasindel Wrote: yo, u really need to chill the F**k out. i was just playin wit ya at first.. but ur pissin me off. stop bein a lil b!tch and cryin over how u feel the mk games should be made. That has to be the single dumbest thing i've ever read on these forums. And believe me, that's saying a lot. Your parents must be proud. In fact, this person is exactly what i'm talking about. MK is a game for mental midgets, who hate other fighting games because they take skill and precision. They'd rather bite someone's head off - here's a clue, Aristotle: save your 50 bucks and rent Faces of Death instead. I mean, you're right about one thing, though: what the fuck AM i doing here? Good luck with your game, midgets.

What the hell is up with you and midgets? And if you don't like Mk and wanna talk sh*t then get THE F*CK out Neurotransmitter~!!!!

Versatile Wrote: baraka405 or whatever the digits are after your name: Saying your a master at T3 and SC already makes your opinion worthless since absolutely nobody has ever heard of you. Win a few nationals then come back and say you're a master..k? Thanks.

This guy is my favorite poster by far. Always knows his shit. This is a true fighting game fan.

Hong_Daddy Wrote: What the hell is up with you and midgets? And if you don't like Mk and wanna talk sh*t then get THE F*CK out Neurotransmitter~!!!!

Read one post above yours, turbo.

I rented DOA and played it for about ooh.. 2 minutes, I took it straight back to the vid shop and demanded my money back cos I literally said the game was shit and i'm not spending my money on such tripe.

And you know what.. They gave my money back.

I love MK and no one can say its bad in my eyes, as for SC, yeah its ok but I have not played it in months and I did weapon master 3 times cos I was bored with my other games.

I now am still playing MKDA and I still play all the old ones on Mame, It's an interest of mine is MK and unfortunately no other fighting games out there have interested me that much since I have played video games to follow them like I do with Mortal Kombat, as for VF don't even mention that game to me.

Pure Sizzling crap that is as well.

colguile Wrote: Versatile Wrote: baraka405 or whatever the digits are after your name: Saying your a master at T3 and SC already makes your opinion worthless since absolutely nobody has ever heard of you. Win a few nationals then come back and say you're a master..k? Thanks.This guy is my favorite poster by far. Always knows his shit. This is a true fighting game fan.

Hey thanks for the love man. I don't diss somebody unless I think they deserved to be dissed, and I love how TTT and Saty always come through to back me up in this shit even when I don't ask of it. Nottin but love for you guys.

Cervantes Wrote: I rented DOA and played it for about ooh.. 2 minutes, I took it straight back to the vid shop and demanded my money back cos I literally said the game was shit and i'm not spending my money on such tripe. And you know what.. They gave my money back. I love MK and no one can say its bad in my eyes, as for SC, yeah its ok but I have not played it in months and I did weapon master 3 times cos I was bored with my other games. I now am still playing MKDA and I still play all the old ones on Mame, It's an interest of mine is MK and unfortunately no other fighting games out there have interested me that much since I have played video games to follow them like I do with Mortal Kombat, as for VF don't even mention that game to me. Pure Sizzling crap that is as well.

I agree but I like VF and Tekken.I know alot of people would agree with you about DOA though.That guy that made it acts like he has the best fighter out.Back on topic,I hope they keep the pick up and play part of the game.So anyone who hasn't played a MK game before can jump right in.That's the problem I had with SC.Don't get me wrong I think SC is good for people who want to put the time into mastering it.But for someone like me I want to immediately get in the game with out knowing alot of stuff.Then after awhile I play it I want to go deeper into it.

That's what MKD should be like in terms of fighting.One side for people who just want to pick up and play it.Then there could be a more advanced side to it.Sounds like a good idea.

TonyTheTiger Wrote: It takes a lot to irritate me but this whole "If you don't like MK for what it is then leave" attitude is getting on my nerves. It's because we like MK that we criticize it. Why can't some people understand that. Learn to walk and talk at the same time. If we didn't care about MK we wouldn't be putting so much energy into discussing what could make it better. Why do you think that so many Ranger fans are critical of how the team is being run? Are they not real Ranger fans? Would you tell them to leave Madison Square Garden because they're not happy with the Leech trade? Learn to hold two opposing concepts in your head at once. We can like MK but not like the grapple system in MK. When that happens you end up with constructive criticism which is a good thing. If you want MK to stay in the dark ages, fine that's your business. But don't pretend you're the better MK fan because of it.

I appreciate people like you who give helpful advice and tell how MK can be better. However, I despise people who just bash MK and don't give any helpful advice whatsoever, like the guy who started this thread.

Drfatality Wrote: I agree but I like VF and Tekken.I know alot of people would agree with you about DOA though.That guy that made it acts like he has the best fighter out.

LOL!! That dude is funny as hell. I've read a couple of interviews with him. He backs his team and having confidence is all good, but damn, lol. He acts like DoA is a cure for cancer . I still thinks it's not as bad as some think, though. People talk about wanting a "different" kind of fighter, DoA is just that. But, meh...

Satyagraha Wrote: Drfatality Wrote: I agree but I like VF and Tekken.I know alot of people would agree with you about DOA though.That guy that made it acts like he has the best fighter out. LOL!! That dude is funny as hell. I've read a couple of interviews with him. He backs his team and having confidence is all good, but damn, lol. He acts like DoA is a cure for cancer . I still thinks it's not as bad as some think, though. People talk about wanting a "different" kind of fighter, DoA is just that. But, meh...

Itagaki is his name I believe. Don't remember his first name. I remember one interview that had a question that was likely hinting at Soul Calibur and his reaction was classic. Something like "A lot of popularity is concentrated on a weapons game. Are weapons in the future for DOA?" He could have been cordial and said that weapons wouldn't fit into DOA. But this guy said that he "doesn't need weapons to shut that game up". I don't consider DOA to be garbage though I do see it as a bit uninspired. But this guy is like the Jerry Springer guest of game designers.

TonyTheTiger Wrote: Satyagraha Wrote: Drfatality Wrote: I agree but I like VF and Tekken.I know alot of people would agree with you about DOA though.That guy that made it acts like he has the best fighter out. LOL!! That dude is funny as hell. I've read a couple of interviews with him. He backs his team and having confidence is all good, but damn, lol. He acts like DoA is a cure for cancer . I still thinks it's not as bad as some think, though. People talk about wanting a "different" kind of fighter, DoA is just that. But, meh... Itagaki is his name I believe. Don't remember his first name. I remember one interview that had a question that was likely hinting at Soul Calibur and his reaction was classic. Something like "A lot of popularity is concentrated on a weapons game. Are weapons in the future for DOA?" He could have been cordial and said that weapons wouldn't fit into DOA. But this guy said that he "doesn't need weapons to shut that game up". I don't consider DOA to be garbage though I do see it as a bit uninspired. But this guy is like the Jerry Springer guest of game designers.

I can't wait untill I see the next interview with him.In the last issue of OXM he said this in the intervyou section:

Q:How did you get into the game industry?

Itakagi Answer:I felt like I wanted to make games.

LOL.Sometimes I wonder is he stoned while he does these interviews.He bashed MK hard in a XBN issue.He said MK is all looks and no gameplay.On top of that earlier in the interview he said he didnt play MKDA.

Drfatality Wrote: TonyTheTiger Wrote: Satyagraha Wrote: Drfatality Wrote: I agree but I like VF and Tekken.I know alot of people would agree with you about DOA though.That guy that made it acts like he has the best fighter out. LOL!! That dude is funny as hell. I've read a couple of interviews with him. He backs his team and having confidence is all good, but damn, lol. He acts like DoA is a cure for cancer . I still thinks it's not as bad as some think, though. People talk about wanting a "different" kind of fighter, DoA is just that. But, meh... Itagaki is his name I believe. Don't remember his first name. I remember one interview that had a question that was likely hinting at Soul Calibur and his reaction was classic. Something like "A lot of popularity is concentrated on a weapons game. Are weapons in the future for DOA?" He could have been cordial and said that weapons wouldn't fit into DOA. But this guy said that he "doesn't need weapons to shut that game up". I don't consider DOA to be garbage though I do see it as a bit uninspired. But this guy is like the Jerry Springer guest of game designers. I can't wait untill I see the next interview with him.In the last issue of OXM he said this in the intervyou section: Q:How did you get into the game industry? Itakagi Answer:I felt like I wanted to make games. LOL.Sometimes I wonder is he stoned while he does these interviews.He bashed MK hard in a XBN issue.He said MK is all looks and no gameplay.On top of that earlier in the interview he said he didnt play MKDA.

hahahahaha..that one made me laugh at loud.

Tomonobu Itagaki. Say what you will about his eccentric behavior but he and Team Ninja do make good games...Then again I'm a DOA fanboy so meh.

Anyway, I've been reading a lot of these posts and I'm just kind of surprised on how much resistance is being put up over giving MK a more advanced fighting system. Would a deeper fighting engine really hurt the MK series? Would it seriously stop all of you from enjoying the game because it plays well?

I'm sure the MK Team can make a deep fighter that's easy to get into but hard to master. Hell, Namco did it with Soul Calibur and Tecmo did it with Dead or Alive so it's not really an ultra difficult task. Both of the games allow for quick pick up and play but are very tough to master.

Forgive me if I am wrong here, because I am not a fighting game fan per say, but I AM an MK fan...a huge one. Heck I even have the toys. That being said, yes, I have played tekken, DOA, and MK quite a bit (no VF4 though..could never get into any of them). One thing that hits me hard when it comes to gameplay is the style each game has. MKDA really stood out, IMO, with its special moves and projectiles in a 3d game, just as Deception will stand out for some of the same reasons. It's a differet style of fighting game. To me, it seems trying to incorporate fantastic (by fantastic I mean "fantasy" type like fireballs, teleport punches, etc) special moves, and combining it with a deeper fighting system that not only is deep but also can compliment the said moves nicely would be a fairly difficult thing to pull off with any effectiveness in a 3d arena. Given that, I think the MK team is doing quite nicely in maintaining their own style of game in an arena of fighters vying for our attention. Fluff is fluff, and it's mainly fluff that got me into MK. But is some of this fluff (background interactivity, death trap placement, more moves, etc) going to improve gameplay? I think so. Is some of this fluff (mini games, konquest, more finishing moves, online games) going to add replay value of any sort? Again, I think so. All in all, I would say MK has both fluff AND substance, but it's a fluff and substance that is all its own.

I like MK for its originality. I like the way things are now. I like the whole 3 fighting styles concept. I don't want the Mortal Kombat series to follow the footsteps of other fighting games. I want it to be creative, I want it to be unique. I have no problem with the MK Team improving the gameplay as long as it sticks to its own unique style.

skaven13 Wrote: Fluff is fluff, and it's mainly fluff that got me into MK. But is some of this fluff (background interactivity, death trap placement, more moves, etc) going to improve gameplay? I think so. Is some of this fluff (mini games, konquest, more finishing moves, online games) going to add replay value of any sort? Again, I think so. All in all, I would say MK has both fluff AND substance, but it's a fluff and substance that is all its own.

I love Mortal Kombat's fluff

cartmansp Wrote: I like MK for its originality. I like the way things are now. I like the whole 3 fighting styles concept. I don't want the Mortal Kombat series to follow the footsteps of other fighting games. I want it to be creative, I want it to be unique. I have no problem with the MK Team improving the gameplay as long as it sticks to its own unique style.

I love MK too. MK's 3 fighting style concept is without a doubt..NOT unique. Not even the least bit. Not only is it not unique, but 80% of the stances suck. I shouldn' even bother listing the crap styles since it's 90% of them.

What's the point of having 3 styles when most of the time you can only use one effectively?

Are you hardheaded? Really. This is almost becoming aggrivating. How many times do we have to tell you that MK using things that 90% of GOOD fighting games have before real development even starts isn't "copying". It makes the games better. You like MK because it's MK. We all know why we love the series..now lets add some depth. It won't hurt you. It will only make the gmae better.

*sigh*

I don't care anymore. No matter what the MK Team does, somebody will complain. I don't consider MK to be an actual fighting game. To me, wanting MK to be a DEEP fighting game is like wanting Super Smash Bros. Melee to be a DEEP fighting game. MK never has and never will be deep, gameplay wise. But it is VERY DEEP, story wise. I love MK because of its story, characters, and originality. NOT GAMEPLAY. To me MK is very fun, and that's the ONLY thing I look for in a video game. People who want a DEEP fighting game shouldn't be playing MK. That's like playing Mario Kart for a deep racing game.