smaddy Wrote: if one more tekken fan posts on these boards, im gonna get addresses and start kicking asses. nuff said

I think Tekken's better than MK. C'mon, bring it. >=O

Wanderer Wrote: That was a really fucking stupid analogy comparing MK to someone's mother.

was meant to be stupid

Most of us do (in some way) think of MK as their mom. I know I do. I have been playing and following devellopment since the first MK. And I have been a huge fan ever since. No we get some whiny yahoo's talking about crap based on absolutly nothing. Talking about havent seen any changes since MKDA....Duh.... IT's NOT FINISHED YET!!!

Neurotransmitter: I am a MK fan. I have always been a MK fan and sadly will be one forever.No matter how bad the game is...

Your complaints about this MK game are RIGHT ON THE MONEY. I saw the gameplay vids and it looks like MKDA...and that is NOT GOOD.

The hit indicator is a really stupid idea. Why they fuck do I need to be told when to attack? It this a fucking RPG?!?! No, it's a fighter, you should attack when you have an opening. Or you gaurd crush/chip away until you have an opening.

Combo breakers are a good idea to create an opening when you are turtling bu I have yet to hear about how this will not be abused in the game.

Overall from the vids it looks like fucking trash as a fighting game. Very, very shallow. It also looks like the still have AUTOCOMBOS....jesus christ why?

When I look at capcom fighting jam I can easily look and see the differences in terms of the characters abilities, in terms of the games they come in, not to mention some of the new improvements in the combo system.

Same goes for KOF: MI. When I look a tekken 5 I see a game that quite possible be the greatest 3D fighter of all fucking time...and I HATE tekken.

To see MKD coming out is good. I am gald to see mortal kombat, but for the sake of the online component and the playability of this game, the gameplay looks like crap and HAS to be improved.

Of coures, there is still time for them to achive this act and I can only hope in time, they will fix crud I saw in the vid.

Lets face it, MK is looked at as a scrub fighter. And right now it looks lik eit will never be looked at a any type of contender as a serious fighter worldwide.

This makes me want to bump my topic..which I will, but really. He is right and so is cogline. I told you all about this shit, and no one wanted to listen. Now you're going to get a game that's cosmetically enhanced with a few more modes and nothing else.

Oh well..let Kombat begin in October.

I think the upgrades in this game are far superior to the upgrades between grand theft auto and vice city. How man games really make huge leaps between every single successor? I have yet to see one, unless we're talking about games such as Ninja Gaiden, which was last seen on NES or SNES (ninja gaiden trilogy) before coming to Xbox.

THe upgrades are great, and from what I hear, the gameplay seems much better already and is not even close to done yet.

Wow, it started again. I knew it would. Anyway, I completely understand Neurotransmitter's concerns on MKD. While I think he may have been a bit too harsh in his topic, he does make sense. Face it, MKDA was just a basic fighting game. No where near the depth of SC2, DOA3, or Tekken 4. Thats the truth. Now, I am not complaining about MK at all. I love the series, and will probably always play it. I love the story and character development. MK has the best story and character development, and that is what keeps bringing me back. And besides, MKDA was a fun game. Yea, it wasnt full of strategy, but it did have a unique fighting system. It takes effort to invent a new idea, and I think the MK team should be cut a little slack. It is only the 2nd game with the new engine afterall. I think the series needs more time to establish its own depth. I would rather have MK develop into its own, rather than being a clone of Tekken or SC. Anyway, I think Boon is trying his best to give all the MK fans what they want. I can already see more depth being implemanted into the game, and that alone makes me happy. I know MKD wont be the perfect fighting game, and I am ok with that, becuase I know MK will flourish into its own again. As long as Boon addresses the issues that are brought up, MK can end up being a great fighter. That being said, I cant wait for MKD, because it will be a very fun and unique game to play. If the MK team keeps being inventive, and slowly works on the fighting system, MK will always be good. Did I make sense? I have no idea. Anyway Neuro, I understand what you are saying, and you have every right to say it. This is a forum to discuss ideas and opinions, and I respect what you had to say. Next time, just try to be a little less hostile. You do bring up a good point, but you have to be more mature about it. Later ppl.

lareinasindel Wrote: *slaps Neurotransmitter around the forum* FINISH HIM! .... "EEEEEEAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAHHHHH!!!" *Sends him flyin in pieces back to Classic Kombat Forum" hehe ^_~* LaReinaSindel WINS!

LMAO!!!!!!!!!

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You rock LaReinaSindel! You are the best! You made me laugh even though I have nothing against the owner of this thread.

Neurotransmitter Wrote: That has to be the single dumbest thing i've ever read on these forums. And believe me, that's saying a lot. Your parents must be proud. In fact, this person is exactly what i'm talking about. MK is a game for mental midgets, who hate other fighting games because they take skill and precision. They'd rather bite someone's head off - here's a clue, Aristotle: save your 50 bucks and rent Faces of Death instead. I mean, you're right about one thing, though: what the fuck AM i doing here? Good luck with your game, midgets.

the only mental midget here is you.
you're the one who shows the lack of intelligence by insulting people simply because they like a certain game.

and heaven forbid if someone simply likes a game for what it is.

i also like how you ignore the fact that they removed the canned combos for open ended combos.

and if you dont like the games or the people who play them(as you have said),then why are you here other than to troll?

veinz Wrote: I think the upgrades in this game are far superior to the upgrades between grand theft auto and vice city. How man games really make huge leaps between every single successor? I have yet to see one, unless we're talking about games such as Ninja Gaiden, which was last seen on NES or SNES (ninja gaiden trilogy) before coming to Xbox. THe upgrades are great, and from what I hear, the gameplay seems much better already and is not even close to done yet.

From what you hear? From wear? MKO? Gamespot? IGN? Newsflash..they don't know anything about fighting games and how they should be or how they should be played for that matter. Look at the vids yourself. What do you see? I see a game that looks like it's creator tried to work on the extras first before touching the SEVERAL problems that plauged the first game. I see a game that is graphically enhanced and will be tremendous when it comes to story and perhaps replay value, but what I don't see is a deep experience where it counts most, and that's the core gameplay. Jabs, throws, defensive options, USEFUL specials, various evasive techniques,etc. Lets not forget folks that Mortal Kombat is a fighter first and foremost. It's not an RPG where a deep story is the number one priority, or even a platformer where interactivity is a must.

Whoever said that the old school MKs were just a shallow as MKDA doesn't know shit about them. MK2, UMK3 and MK4 were deep games in their own right, and as decent player in two of those games I find it insulting to dog them like that, but whatever.

Neurotransmitter is partially correct.. the animation is looking bland - especially when someone is getting beat upon, how they flail limbs outward and are horizontal most of the way down with no character to the fall, kind of like PitFighter.

But.. it's MK, it's going to be in my library, and I happen to love it's concept and really no other fighting game has it's style.

I hope that MK7 looks almost as realistic and fluent as Dead or Alive.. and anyone who's into the fighting genre knows this..

I hope that MK6 sees a little more refinement and tightened animation in it's fighting engine before release.. but who knows if they can go back at this point. I just hope for the best.

I don't understand why People WANT Mk to be just like Tekken or DOA or SC...WHY??? Mortal Kombat always has been and always will be different from any other fighting game. So yeah, ok, the fight system is not nearly as complex as Tekken. So what? I happen to like Tekken, but video games are supposed to be fun and entertaining FIRST, And MK has both of these covered probably better than any other Fighting game, next to probably only the SF series. Tekken is a great series, and so is SC, I play these games often, but in Tekken for example, IMO there is just to much thinking and stratedgy involved to be great in that game...and that's fine sometimes it's more rewarding to be challenged, but when I get tired of that I want to play a Fighter that is just simply FUN To play, no real harsh stratedgy involved...And this is what I turn to MK for, So I'm sorry but I hope MK is NEVER anything like any of those other series...You Want Tekken? SC? DOA? Buy those games. That simple. Please don't flame, I'm just stating my opinion is all.

TomTaz Wrote: I don't understand why People WANT Mk to be just like Tekken or DOA or SC...WHY??? Mortal Kombat always has been and always will be different from any other fighting game. So yeah, ok, the fight system is not nearly as complex as Tekken. So what? I happen to like Tekken, but video games are supposed to be fun and entertaining FIRST, And MK has both of these covered probably better than any other Fighting game, next to probably only the SF series. Tekken is a great series, and so is SC, I play these games often, but in Tekken for example, IMO there is just to much thinking and stratedgy involved to be great in that game...and that's fine sometimes it's more rewarding to be challenged, but when I get tired of that I want to play a Fighter that is just simply FUN To play, no real harsh stratedgy involved...And this is what I turn to MK for, So I'm sorry but I hope MK is NEVER anything like any of those other series...You Want Tekken? SC? DOA? Buy those games. That simple. Please don't flame, I'm just stating my opinion is all.

Exactly TT. MK has its own style and needs to keep developing its own system. I would hate to have another lame fighter clone. While I do think there are a few issues that need to addressed, I still cant judge because I havent played the final game yet. I am confident MKD will please almost all the fans, and will be superior to MKDA.

I honestly don't understand this.

It seems that some people feel that MK, being a fighting game, has some sort of OBLIGATION to be the best at everything. Best gameplay, best engine, best story, best characters, best box art, ad nauseum. It sickens me. Whenever one tiny little flaw is found, people moan and writhe and bitch and roll around like they're having a seizure.

The MK series, like any other videogame, is meant for one purpose: ENTERTAINMENT.

And being a milti-million dollar franchise and all, I'd say it's achieved that quite nicely.

So what if MK doesn't offer gameplay as deep as Soul Calibur? If that's what you want, go pop a token into one of the widely available SC2 machines.

If the game doesn't satisfy you, that's your problem. Midway does not cater to the whims of the masses. It caters to the MK fans. If you don't like what they've got to offer, take your business elsewhere. It won't be missed.

MK, as a series, has only tried to be one thing: MK. It's not an ultra-sophisticated brawler with 167 moves per character, and it's never tried to be. If there is one thing MK has offered us fans, it's FUN, and despite the constant griping, has ultimately never failed in that.

When I'm playing a fighting game, I want to enjoy myself. That's all. MK has accomplished that as well as Street Fighter, Soul Calibur, Guilty Gear, or Tekken ever did.

TomTaz Wrote: I don't understand why People WANT Mk to be just like Tekken or DOA or SC...WHY??? Mortal Kombat always has been and always will be different from any other fighting game. So yeah, ok, the fight system is not nearly as complex as Tekken. So what? I happen to like Tekken, but video games are supposed to be fun and entertaining FIRST, And MK has both of these covered probably better than any other Fighting game, next to probably only the SF series. Tekken is a great series, and so is SC, I play these games often, but in Tekken for example, IMO there is just to much thinking and stratedgy involved to be great in that game...and that's fine sometimes it's more rewarding to be challenged, but when I get tired of that I want to play a Fighter that is just simply FUN To play, no real harsh stratedgy involved...And this is what I turn to MK for, So I'm sorry but I hope MK is NEVER anything like any of those other series...You Want Tekken? SC? DOA? Buy those games. That simple. Please don't flame, I'm just stating my opinion is all.

I agree.

I would like MK to have multiple throws,counters and tag team but I don't want it to get to complex or else it will feel more like other fighting games and less like MK.

I play MK because it's a fantasy game with ninjas, sorcerers, gods, edinians, onis, reptiles, humans and other types of fighters.All the diversity adds to the replay value.MK has created a whole universe filled with differnt realms, species, fighters, that appeal to all sorts of people.MK is not like other games and thats why I like it.I like the simple fighting system because it's easy to learn.In other games I've played, it takes days and days of practice to truly master a character.In MK you don't have to waste so much time just to be able to use one character's full potential.When I play other games it feels more like work and less like fun.I play MK for fun and only fun.

I love MK.

cartmansp Wrote: TomTaz Wrote: I don't understand why People WANT Mk to be just like Tekken or DOA or SC...WHY??? Mortal Kombat always has been and always will be different from any other fighting game. So yeah, ok, the fight system is not nearly as complex as Tekken. So what? I happen to like Tekken, but video games are supposed to be fun and entertaining FIRST, And MK has both of these covered probably better than any other Fighting game, next to probably only the SF series. Tekken is a great series, and so is SC, I play these games often, but in Tekken for example, IMO there is just to much thinking and stratedgy involved to be great in that game...and that's fine sometimes it's more rewarding to be challenged, but when I get tired of that I want to play a Fighter that is just simply FUN To play, no real harsh stratedgy involved...And this is what I turn to MK for, So I'm sorry but I hope MK is NEVER anything like any of those other series...You Want Tekken? SC? DOA? Buy those games. That simple. Please don't flame, I'm just stating my opinion is all. I agree. I would like MK to have multiple throws,counters and tag team but I don't want it to get to complex or else it will feel more like other fighting games and less like MK. I play MK because it's a fantasy game with ninjas, sorcerers, gods, edinians, onis, reptiles, humans and other types of fighters.All the diversity adds to the replay value.MK has created a whole universe filled with differnt realms, species, fighters, that appeal to all sorts of people.MK is not like other games and thats why I like it.I like the simple fighting system because it's easy to learn.In other games I've played, it takes days and days of practice to truly master a character.In MK you don't have to waste so much time just to be able to use one character's full potential.When I play other games it feels more like work and less like fun.I play MK for fun and only fun. I love MK.

Exactly. MK has always been unique, I don't want it to suddenly be uniform with any other fighter. As I stated, I really like those other series and I do take the time to learn certain characters inside and out to be able to play well, but like you said this translates into work rather than fun, That is a hassle that MK doesn't have nor need. I think the MK team remembers that Video games are supposed to be FUN first and that's why I love MK possibly more than any other fighter I've played. MK has always pretty much marched to it's own beat, and I am grateful for that and hope it continues.

The gameplay is apparantly faster and there are more combos and moves, etc. That's a step in the right direction as far as I'm concerned as my only real beef with MKDA was it was somewhat slow, there wasn't much in the way of combo variety, and a lack of finishers.

According, to I believe IGN, this has been remedied, and I would consider them a reliable source. It does seem faster just by watching the videos as well.

It may not be SC2, but SC2 and some of those other games have so many moves that you never use a lot of them. I admit that MKDA had some moves that just sucked, but I still think overall the game was more enjoyable than SC2, and I loved both.

As for the older MKs, they were not exactly revolutionary or deep fighting wise in my opinion, and I can say with no ego that I am extremely good at those games. However, they are proof that you don't necisarily have to be as deep as a competeing game to be better or more satisfying as it.

MK has always been about extras, yould you say that the leap between mk1 to mk2 was huge? I wouldn't, it had more extras and better graphics, and a slightly better juggling system. All in all, it was the amount of secrets that was the big improvement, people played it to find secrets and finishers and things like that, and because it maintained the fun of the original, with some enhancements. The story continued to flourish as well.

Mk2-mk3 is pretty much the same, better graphics, more secrets and characters, a further developed storyline, etc. The fighting system was not hugely enhanced, they added a run button and non juggle combos, but following Killer Instinct that sort of combo system came pretty much standard those days, and the time span between the two games was much further than the first and second game.

Ithis is the way these games have always evolved, only now, with MKDA and MKD we're starting to see the secrets and finishers and extras come back, where as after MK3 people were like "get rid of the friendships and babalities" and they started to focus more on getting rid of things than adding things. I think MKD follows suit perfectly, and we are going to get and MK this time around that will compare to the influence of MK2. Online fighting alone guarantees that alone I think.

SERIOUSLY. Why are people so adament on making MK into a clone of Tekken or Soul Caliber? If I wanted to play those games... *gasp* I WOULD PLAY THOSE GAMES. Geez, the day MK turns into a complex and convoluted system is the day I stop playing. Perhaps the reason people are so adament on demanding MK's engine copies those other games is because those games LACK what MK has in other departments and they're a little jealous. Namely great atmosphere, story, characters and gore. I've played those other games, and nothing has pulled me in like MK. They're simply overly complicated and not that interesting.

And this is besides the fact that MKD will be plenty "deep" anyway. Deep meaning fun.

TomTaz Wrote: cartmansp Wrote: TomTaz Wrote: I don't understand why People WANT Mk to be just like Tekken or DOA or SC...WHY??? Mortal Kombat always has been and always will be different from any other fighting game. So yeah, ok, the fight system is not nearly as complex as Tekken. So what? I happen to like Tekken, but video games are supposed to be fun and entertaining FIRST, And MK has both of these covered probably better than any other Fighting game, next to probably only the SF series. Tekken is a great series, and so is SC, I play these games often, but in Tekken for example, IMO there is just to much thinking and stratedgy involved to be great in that game...and that's fine sometimes it's more rewarding to be challenged, but when I get tired of that I want to play a Fighter that is just simply FUN To play, no real harsh stratedgy involved...And this is what I turn to MK for, So I'm sorry but I hope MK is NEVER anything like any of those other series...You Want Tekken? SC? DOA? Buy those games. That simple. Please don't flame, I'm just stating my opinion is all. I agree. I would like MK to have multiple throws,counters and tag team but I don't want it to get to complex or else it will feel more like other fighting games and less like MK. I play MK because it's a fantasy game with ninjas, sorcerers, gods, edinians, onis, reptiles, humans and other types of fighters.All the diversity adds to the replay value.MK has created a whole universe filled with differnt realms, species, fighters, that appeal to all sorts of people.MK is not like other games and thats why I like it.I like the simple fighting system because it's easy to learn.In other games I've played, it takes days and days of practice to truly master a character.In MK you don't have to waste so much time just to be able to use one character's full potential.When I play other games it feels more like work and less like fun.I play MK for fun and only fun. I love MK. Exactly. MK has always been unique, I don't want it to suddenly be uniform with any other fighter. As I stated, I really like those other series and I do take the time to learn certain characters inside and out to be able to play well, but like you said this translates into work rather than fun, That is a hassle that MK doesn't have nor need. I think the MK team remembers that Video games are supposed to be FUN first and that's why I love MK possibly more than any other fighter I've played. MK has always pretty much marched to it's own beat, and I am grateful for that and hope it continues.

Right On!Remember though that the MKD was a Beta version so that "pushing" around people may change.

Absolutley, it might turn out that all of this complaining is for nothing...either way to me it looks great and October can't get here fast enough for me.

I think this is as good time as any to remind everyone to be respectful of other peoples' opinions on issues. Debates are great, but no one accomplishes anything by pissing off the other side.

This is a pretty divisive issue- a lot of players thought that MKDA was a great game that was severely handicapped by the fighting system (myself included). Conversly, a lot of players thought it was just fine. No reason we can't discuss it civilly, though.

Where do people get this idea that it has to be a VF, Tekken, SC clone? You can have the same aura with a decent engine. All that shit that is MK is nothing more than asthetics and eye candy. Right now the "MK sytle" is to incorperate a fighting engine that a retard could understand. That's fun? People holding your hand, not giving you options, not giving you outlets to grow as a player and express creativity is fun? What the fuck ever...

There are two kinds of MK fans; those who give a shit about an MK that plays well and those who don't. Inhearantly, there are two types of players, those whose fun comes from growing, learning, getting better, overcoming bad habbits, etc. The other enjoys simplicty, jumping in and just doing random shit and not having to worry about it.

The shock factor era is over. Now it's just a genre that companies use to get little boys to give them a pay check. I simply do not understand why players don't want to challenge their intellect. They don't want to grow as players, or so it seams at times.

I think that's where a lot of these arguments - which end up going no where - stem from. The very few number of poeple who give a shit about MK having depth express such concerns in an effort to "shed light" to others. They/we want others to see that MK can still be MK but have decent fighting mechanics as well. They/we want others to enjoy the kind of fun we do; through depth, breaking down the mechanics, etc. Though, we, especially I, often forget some don't care about such ideals. I still don't understand why, though. -_-

Peace and love ya'll.

Addressing something from earlier in the thread...For Tekken 5 to be the best fighting game ever, they would have to completely overhaul the Tekken 4 engine. It was garbage. Also, look at the new characters they are giving us...Wesley Snipes, Jun Kazama (with some strong similarities to Aoi from VF) and finally we have Feng Wei, who looks to be very similar to VF's Akira. Big points to Namco for originality...

I think it's way too early to make judgments about Deception. From what I've been reading, the special move button is gone so perhaps they have totally reworked the throw system. It also looks like moves will have different counter hit properties. Not to mention the fact that now you have to be aware at all times of where you are in the arena due to the death traps. Anyway, after playing DA to death I know for certain that Deception will be eating up a ton of my time to at least discover everything that's hidden within the game. The mystery and thrill of discovery is something that DA definitely had over the more serious fighting games.

It boils down to the fact that I know I am going to have a good time playing Deception. It may not be the deepest fighter out there, but it IS going to be a damn fun game.

Neurotransmitter Wrote: justycist Wrote: all the people moening about this game.... if u dont like it go to the classic fucking kombat forum! Please. All the other Mortal Kombats were contrived bullshit too. The difference is that contrived bullshit would fly a decade ago, because it hadn't been seen before.

Leave the fucking site then! No ones forcing you to stay. But when you post crap like this in a forum in which about 97% of the people are die hard fans you're gonna get some heat. And you know that. You just want trouble. You just want to stick out in a crowd of true fans. Why register to this site if you're just gonna bash the series? Douche. I hope you slip in your kitchen and your face hits the ground really hard. So hard that you lose the ability to use your penis.

Satyagraha,why can't I enjoy a game for it's simplicity?


I just don't want to spend all my time training with a character,learning tons of moves that I wont even use when I'm in an actual battle.It's a waste of time in my opinion.Of course I would like the gameplay to be deeper with multiple throws,counters,more moves, ect., but I don't want it to get to the point were it feels more like work and less like fun.The work and fun parts need to balance themselves out,otherwise people wont like the game.I love the eyecandy(which you appearently don't).I love the deathtraps, fatalitys, hara kiris, more special moves, ect.It's the part of the game I look forward to the most.Other games lack the story, diversity and eyecandy MK has.I would love to have deeper, faster, more advanced gameplay.Mabye it will happen in MK7 or MK8 but if it doesn't,I won't be heartbroken