come on dawg...they say DBZ: BUDOKIA 3 0wnz MK:D HAHAHA.,

Your damn right MK is the best fighting game out now!!!!!!!!!!!
If you feel differently you should get off this website.MKONLINE.
And BobbyBLaze what the hell are you joking?Dragonball z is gay....its crap compared to MK!!!!!!!!

yes is the best fighting online. But is the best when you play whith ppl who play normal :O
I like fair player and this game is so fun when 2 players play fair. But in other way, this game got so much broken stuff and newbies players use them to fight like a coward.

I agree that Mortal Kombat Deception is a great game but Tekken 5 takes the cake

I just played it at a friend's house and I was hooked
I feel like buying a ps2 just for that game

I have digged Tekken ever since the first one came out back 94 at the arcades

All hail Killer Instinct, oh wait we're on the subject of MK...
Well, MK:D's great, but like Alex said, "T5's Great Aswell"...
Eh, but I'm too lazy to try and learn a new fighter, unless it's a Soul Calibur follow through...


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Alexei09 i actually disagree with you for once dude,tekken may be the best fighting game on the PS2....and even so Deception will still give it a run..i mean look at all the rewards Deception is getting man,My beef with Tekken is the fact that its now in its 5th installment now and still not online....no offese man but thats pretty sad.......I mean as soon as MK fans wanted online .....boom!!!!!!!They got it!!!!Even DOA ULTIMATE came online after a few years after the original XBOX debut DOA...when the system first came out.
Nope not here im a huge MK fan i always have been and i always will be..Bow to the king of all Fighters MK!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

The reason Tekken 5 is not online is not because the people at Namco are stingy, it's because it's simply not possible at the moment. As someone else stated in another thread, the frame rate on Tekken is so massive it cannot be played online without lag. Hell, go try and play someone in the Mame versions of Tekken, it's horrible.

I can see this is going to be another flamewar thread, so I might as well make some points before everybody flips out and it gets closed. Settle in folks, this is going to be long.

I'm actually going to attempt to reply to your post you made in the Future games discussion in this thread, mkflegend, because I don't want to take that thread off topic, and this thread doesn't have too much of a topic anyway, but first...



To elaborate (and before you all start yammering about how great MK is because it went online), MK doesn't have this problem, because the animation is so jacked, that things like recovery time and move startup are of no consequence. They should be, but they're not. These things aren't important in MKD which is both why it can work online, and also why this game sucks, and is completely broken. This is not up for debate, and regardless of how many awards it wins, or how long the series has been around, it's the sad truth.

Also, they did actually experiment with online capability for Tekken 5 in Japan.

The following post can be found here.



This is inherently stupid (and unfortunately sets the tone here) because that 'frame crap' is what games are built on. It's like saying "Well, why can't we live on Pluto - and don't give me that 'no air' crap". That 'frame crap' is why MKD is a peice of shit when it comes to playability, and why every fighting game you don't like is 50 times better than it. You can choose not belive this all you want, but it's 100% true. Ask any of the top MKD players if you don't belive me (although you'll probably have trouble finding them, seeing as how most of them are playing Tekken 5 of DOA now).

Also, Tekken is in it's 6th installment now, not it's 5th, and MK has been been experimenting with online capability since MK3, so you're wrong about that too.



Fuck online. Have you ever played against a good Noob-Smoke online? Yeah awesome, the game is online, now watch as you get completely destroyed with one of 500000 infinite combos. Is that fun getting your ass handed to you while you can't do shit all about it? Yeah awesome. Now you can get cheesed by people all over the world! Sweet!

What's the point in the game being online if it's still a horribly broken peice of shit? "The minute it become 3D the second time around"? Are you fucking kidding me? It's been 3D for years, and as I previously mentioned, online capability is nothing new to MK either.



The fans also wanted a good risk/reward system, decent move properties, functional frame advantage, better animation to prevent 50/50 mixups, parrys, stuns, etc. Did we get any of that? Did we get anything that would have made this game decent at all? Nope, we got fuck all. Just some cool looking stages, because people like you won't get your fucking head out of your ass and bother to even listen to what was wrong with the game, or be concerned with improving it in any way at all.



Do you ever experience getting raped by Dairou's tombstone drop? Or Noob-Smoke infinites? If you don't, then you're lying and you've never played online.



They aren't opinions. Everything I say is true. Just ask the best players of your favourite game, MKD, and they'll agree with what I say.



No. Why are you guessing at what I said when I clearly stated what I was meaning? I was meaning the shove, hellfire move. This will work regardless of who you're playing.



I didn't fucking say that you moron. I was talking about MKDA, and again, I was talking about the shove, hellfire 'glitch'. Christ.



How can I face you? You want me to fly to your house and play MKDA with you? If I could, I would. Then i'd slap you. Hard.
It's guaranteed. guaranteed. It cannot be broken, no matter how good you are, or what you press, because you can't move at all. Nor can you block or attack.



If they thought MKD was good, then yes, they're fuckups and should be promptly fired. Either that, or they didn't have the time to play the game properly, and called it great because it has pretty characters, which I suspect is the case.



That is the most flawed logic i've ever had the displeasure of reading you fucking fool. MK 1-3 were great. MK4, MKDA and MKD are horrible. I love Mortal Kombat. It's awesome, but the last three games have been terrible. This doesn't change the fact that I love Mortal Kombat.



I'm not criticising the game for that, I, along with everybody else, are criticising the game because it's broken to holy hell with glitches and infinites left right and center.



If we're doing that, then I can find heaps of things wrong with MK. It doesn't have animals as playable characters, it doesn't have people with lasers for heads, it doesn't have a mini game where you pour drinks for dead rock stars - LAME.



No, i'm not actually. You just made that shit up. I didn't say that.



MK doesn't have flying cars, robot monkey's, knife men, transvestites, an old guy made from toothpicks, an adventure game where you shoot pigs with a library card gun... shall I go on?

These other games don't need that shit to sell. They can stand on their own without having to fall back on some stupid gimmicks. Open your eyes.



I didn't say that they were realistic either. Stop fucking putting words in my mouth.



They also look for a game that they can play without getting so pissed off at the so called 'cheapness' that they throw their controllers through their televisions.



No, i'm not. I'll tell you what I don't like about Tekken right now if you want, and i'll tell you it isn't the best. There's a large difference between a fan and a fanboy, and you, are the epitomy of fanboysim. Wake the fuck up. If your favourite game was so great, you wouldn't need to to to bring Tekken or Virtual Fighter down to prove that MK is better, because it would be well known to be better, but here you are bashing some games you know fuck all about, because that makes your favourite game better. Way to go.



They're not 'silly', they're basic building blocks that EVERY game should have. If nobody looked at what was wrong with this game, it would have things terribly wrong with it forever (which wouldn't bother you, as long as it had cool fatality moves right?).

My only problem with you, is that you're ruining this game for everybody else who wants to be able to see it improve so they can have fun too, you selfish imbicle.



As opposed to you right? You're the death of this game. You want no improvement, while every other game improves and becomes great. You want to kill the series. "You would love MK for what it is". Fuck off. I want this game to blow Tekken out of the water - but you don't want that, you want it to always come second until the series dies out.



That's like saying getting stabbed in the back in a dark ally is the victims fault, because he obviously let the guy stab him.

Not allow your opponent to shove you? How are you going to prevent it? It's fast as fuck, you can't sidestep anything in that game because of universal tracking, and it's unblockable. You can't avoid it. AT ALL. There is no possible way.



I said NEW. Are you as stupid as you sound? Those games came out years ago. They are not new. They are re-releases. This is why it got nothing, because people didn't really take them into account .

Street Fighter II is infinitely better than MKD. Anybody who says otherwise either doesn't know what they're talking about, or is mentally handicapped.



Bullshit. If you are so good at that game that you never, ever, ever let Bo throw you even once, then you're God. I would imagine that God would have a higher intellect than a 4 year old, so I assume this is not the case.



Yeah you also made a complete jackass of yourself over and over. I said MKDA, not MKD, by the way.


Now moderators, you may go ahead and give me those skulls.

i wouldnt go that far mate lol i reckon tekken 5 is better despite i aint played it dont get it here till...end of march or april i think dunno lol damn australian version!

T5 was a dissapointment for me. Sure better engine and fighting, but T5 was just the same for me as T4. Devil Inside or whatever the sub-game was called was annoying as hell, repetitive. Shujinkos idiocy got me on my right side. konquest rocks my world.

T5 is only considered better becouse there wasn't as many dissapointments as in MKD. But , i would say it's a tie between the two.

Where MKD fails, Tekken excells. -gameplay
where T5 fails, MKD excells -general plotline and content

Now, let's make sure that MK7 will be better than anything else.

If you think tekken 5 is the same as tekken 4 you shouldn't be playing fighting games at all. You probably shouldn't be playing any games. It takes all of five minutes to see and feel the difference in the two games.

As for MKD excelling in plotline and content.... Ok how many holes are there in the MK plot? Tekken has a plot similiar it's not the best but no fighting game has a good plot because it's centered around the combat. You want a good plot play a rpg or some action/adventure games shadow of rome has an interesting plot. As for content I don't know about that. Tekken has arcade perfect versions of the first 3 games it has a bonus game that isn't required to unlock anything it has character customization it has a story mode a MUCH BETTER practice mode and it's arcade mode doesn't end.

The funny thing is you are saying they are equal despite admitting that mk fails in gameplay and tekken doesnt. Why would you want a game that fails in gameplay it fails at what it's supposed to do. It sounds like you should be reading a book or watching a movie not playing a fighting game.

so many things have changed in tekken 5 as it was in tekken 4
soz mk fans i just think it is gonna be alot better maybe i would say mk deception is better if they had some more of the old favs in it instead of bringing back nightwolf and some others etc and that they did more diffrent fighting styles but oh well cant be perfect lol

You should be at least thankful that this game is online. If you want tekken-like gameplay this game wouldn't be online.

What would you rather have? Online or no Online?

Despite the bugginess, MKD allowing for Online play makes it the clear winner. Fighting games almost need to be online. It allows for a virtually flawless replay value that most offline games simply don't have. Even MK:DA. Mind you both were good since they put in new features like the Krypt and Konquest, but once they're done, what are you gonna do? Online play ensures that you won't get bored. I mean, what, when you're bored are you going to start inviting strangers off the street to come play because you're getting bored with it? I think online play, for fighting games specifically but really for any genre of game, has opened up a new chapter in video gaming. MKD = #1

Oh, and my buddy wants to say that DOA Ultimate is better.... what a yutz.

Online play. The last argument.
It seems more and more people are finally coming to terms with the fact that this game was unacceptable, but are now trying to justify it - why?
So you can be given another shitty game with more serious faults to try and justify?
This shouldn't be some sort of 'war', and nobody should have to swallow their pride to say this game was horrible. Just admit it, then look at what needs to be fixed so we can have an awesome game next time around.



Does that question even need to be answered?

Okay, so you're playing online. You play 10 matches against some guy, and in every single match, he uses the same infinite combo on you in each round, and doesn't bother to ever use fatalities because he got sick of them after a week. Would it still fun to play online? Would you still be thankful for online play? This is reality.



See the above scenario.

How can having the same broken shit used over and over and over against you equal good replay value? Getting hit by the same move/combo, time after time after time with the possibility of not being able to do anything about it is not fun, nor is using the same move/combo time after time after time.

As for most other offline games not having that replay value, well, people are still playing Street Fighter II, Virtual Fighter 4, and Tekken Tag (or were, up untill a few days ago, but still are in PAL regions until T5 is released) offline and obviously, those games have been around for years. How many people do you think will be playing MKD online in 5 years? How about 3 years? 2 years? Hell, even in one more year, 12 months from now, how many people do you think will be playing MKD online? I can guarantee you it'll be very, very slim pickings (which will lead to fighting the same people over and over anyway due to the lack of opponents, so you're going to be having the same matches all the time).



Most fighting games have tourney's, where people gather at a specific place to play, in order to test their skill against other players. This is feasible for these games and the reason they have stood the test of time. If MKD was a functional game, it would be feasible to have tourney's for it too, which would mean we'd all be playing this game for years. Is this the case?
Most definitely not.

(Real life tourney's by the way, are a much more satisfying experience than beating some nameless, faceless, punk kid across the other side of your country and winning nothing - not only do you meet cool people, but you can actually say for a fact that if you win one, you're the best in your area, without accusations of cheating and such)

Okay, I'm not going to even start to try and get into this again because the last time this happened, I was threatened by a few "insecure" people, but it's obvious here that this will be yet another case of Obsessive High Level gameplay opinions vs. Casual Yet Dedicated Gamers.

The casual gamers want to enjoy the games and the high levelers want to go to Midway and remake the game and then shove it up Boon's ass for reason's I don't think exist.

Both opinions are DRASTICALLY different in all aspects of gaming. I don't think that there's one topic I've read thus far on this site that the two sides agreed on and of course, on sites like these, the Casual gamers (even though they usually outnumber the hardcore gamers) get crapped all over and are told they aren't educated enough to make desicions on these subjects.

So I say this: Anyone telling me I can't enjoy the game and I should have a different opinion but I don't because I'm just an ignorant peon that has fallen under the spell of Boon's Communist Reich can just drop it. Krackerjack said: "Online play. The last argument."
Uhh, no, a valid argument.

"If you think tekken 5 is the same as tekken 4 you shouldn't be playing fighting games at all. You probably shouldn't be playing any games. It takes all of five minutes to see and feel the difference in the two games."

Well technically yes, but i still could not shake the feeling that it is still the T3-T4 basics. Same with MKDA-MKD, but there is the evolutionary step of making MK truly 3D. Probably that was on my mind. Sure, T5 HAS impro-ved in those points you mention, but there are still things that won't evolve no matter how you look at it. Those small things can irritatwe me, i repeat, me a bit. MK didn't had one.

And besides you're not anybody to tell me what should I play. I am well aware of the dquantity of the differences between T4 and T5. Back with that little bit of arrogance, okay? hanks. Back to the point.


"As for MKD excelling in plotline and content.... Ok how many holes are there in the MK plot? Tekken has a plot similiar it's not the best but no fighting game has a good plot because it's centered around the combat. You want a good plot play a rpg or some action/adventure games shadow of rome has an interesting plot. As for content I don't know about that. Tekken has arcade perfect versions of the first 3 games it has a bonus game that isn't required to unlock anything it has character customization it has a story mode a MUCH BETTER practice mode and it's arcade mode doesn't end."


MK plotholes are closing up, should have noticed that. And I believe that some opennes is allowed. take a look at the distuinguishable characters playable-non playable in MK? Almost twice as much as in Tekken. You can't controll a whole storyline in the way of covering up every open line.
BTW, I think the RPG to unlock things was a good idea. Sure iot takes away instant play of the bonuses, but it lenghtens gameplay. But you have to make it good: sadly MK Konkuest often comes with the very good-suddenly drops to childish idiocy- and then back to very good averages.
Only if Midway can TAKE it's time to focus more on the gameplay AND the plot, the game should have no problems. T5-yes, the practice was good. But I rarely use practice. I always turn difficulty on max, and try to beat the game. if it becomes cheap, i lower the diff. and turn it up later.


"The funny thing is you are saying they are equal despite admitting that mk fails in gameplay and tekken doesnt. Why would you want a game that fails in gameplay it fails at what it's supposed to do. It sounds like you should be reading a book or watching a movie not playing a fighting game."


You made an absolutely wrong point there. Why do you play a gameplay? To have two characters to beat up. OK it's fun, but picture this:why don't you play a stick game that has perfect gameplay instead of an MK?
Content. the next and equaly important part of a game. You use the gameplay to get to the content. The content in our case are the variability of the attacks and the whole martial art feeling, plus, the plot, the design, the whole shit that boon and co. brew up.
Umm, I'm saying that T5 and MKD are equal for me -and becouse you made an error there, pointing out that i was supposed to be saying that both are equally good games in comparison in TRUTH,- and only in my personal wiew. I wasn't saying that. i was saying that I don't like T5 that much to consider it a better game. Frankly, I get bored with it quickly.
Maybe becouse i don't like the jpanese cliches in T5, but don't get me wrong, it's one of the best games ever.

kracker jack thats why there are different modes like Chess Kombat. Did you ever figure that out? No. Even though chess kombat players are hard to find it's all worth it in the end. You can try different strageties against your opponent and thus theres alot of enjoyable replay value. Now about Kombat mode, go and play some members from these forums if your fed up playing a guy who does infinites on you, thats your problem i've never ran into cheap players who does infinites. Infinites are for wussies who take advantage of the broken fighting system. I only throw most of the time and some players whine at me for that and quit the first match, thats their problem they don't take advangtage of kenshi's long range game. The only solution to your problem is play people from your friends list for some fun games.

Puzzle Kombat is alright even though it's a rip off from SSF2T Puzzle Fighter. I play a few puzzle games every now and then to keep my interest in the game.

You out of all these modes you chose kombat, thus you put the limits on yourself and purposely getting bored of the game.

THANK YOU!!! Finally! Some people with sense on this site!

Is an eggplant a fruit or a vegetable? I know it sounds dumb but just answer the question. Some things are not debatable. I can't walk into a biologist's lab and start telling him that it's my opinion that eggplants are vegetables. He knows more than I do so while I'd be making conjecture oblivious to the facts, he'd be trying to tell me something that is true based on hard evidence. That's exactly what's happening here. Forget the question above. What is frame advantage? I want you to answer that because frame advantage is the basis of all fighting games from way back in Street Fighter II so to stand here and argue that your opinion is just as valid you need to prove it by showing you are just as educated in this field.

You probably won't answer the question and say something like "I don't need to bother with this because my opinion is my own" despite the fact that it's a lame cop out but whatever. Try doing that on an exam. Instead of answering the question write "I already know what I need to know so my opinions are all correct" and see what happens. Frame advantage has existed since the beginning and is still used today. Except in Deadly Alliance and Deception. It's one of the reasons why in Deception a blocked jab can lose you the round. And that's not opinion. It's blatantly factual that if a character like Bo blocks your jab he can fix it so that you can't do a damn thing to defend yourself after that. I'm not even talking about infinites. I'm talking about a throw that juggles and allows for a 50/50 game. That's another good question. What does 50/50 mean? I've just asked two questions at the heart of why Deception has major problems. You should be able to answer them if you don't believe they are problems. Prove yourself educated on the matter or your opinion holds about as much water as the "Flat Earth Theory". Yes, people still believe that.

What is frame advantage? What does 50/50 mean? Answer those questions and we'll back off. If you don't know I have no problem explaining it. Just don't be so proud that you dodge the questions and don't ask what the answers are.

this thread is ridiculous

I'm one of the biggest MK fans ever and this generation of consoles version of MK is still far behind any other 3D fighter.

Do you know why games like VF and Tekken and SF haven't changed much?

Because the formula they use works!

They don't have to rewrite their engine every time they want to put a new game out.

Tekken hasn't changed because OKI, Frame advantage, hit properties are the foundation for the engine.

You talk of no online, no blood, that shit makes me laugh. Cosmetics...Fluff.

Tekken has something no 3D MK has....substance, depth of gameplay.

Yeah I would rather play Tekken with stick figures than MKD definitely.

Tekken is played worldwide on a competetive level and it is widely accepted as the 1337 fighting game of today.

There is no other fighter that even comes close on a technical level.

SC3 is rumored to be online...so there is your Namco online fighter.

Which will blow away Tekken 5 I'm sure.

You were threatened by the purple bunny for flaming people. You kept going back to the whole you need to get a life thing but you can't even follow up with exactly what a life is. You admit in your pm to me that you talk out your ass so I'll chalk this up to your usual talking out your ass comment and move on.



Uh tekken 3 and tekken 4 basics are TOTALLY DIFFERENT seriously at this point you need to just not say anything about tekken. You don't like it fine but you really don't have a clue what you are talking about.

The plot holes are closing up my ass. Uh it wasn't really me that you buried it was just some dude I'm not dead.... and uh it was my clone that you killed yeah k whatever. How about the plot holes in konquest? None of those were closed up. What was jax doing there? Why was jax older than shujinko at one point now he's younger? Why didn't raiden know that shujinko wasn't the elder god's champion at a time when he would have known? k whatever.

Konquest was not a rpg in any way. There is no advancement of the character there is hardly any required interaction. You follow a green light and you train and on rare occasions you train. It doesn't take that long to complete konquest once you realize you aren't actually doing anything. Keep telling yourself konquest was great then go pick up a copy of tobal 2 and play the adventure mode in that and tell me that konquest was good.

Why don't I play a stick game with perfect gameplay? What stick game do you speak of? I play games for the gameplay if there is no gameplay I won't play the game. By your own admission the fighting engine for deception which is gameplay for a fighting game is broken. I would 100% prefer to play archon, which chess kombat is a rip-off of, than I would want to play chess kombat this is despite archon being 20 years old. I would rather play street fighter 2 than play deception and sf 2 is nearly 15 years old. The gameplay on street fighter 2 was better than deception. To this day it's still a playable game it still works despite the advancement in player skills sf 2 still is a playable functioning fighting game. Deception as a fighting game fails. It excells in fluff however.



So what you are saying is that people will be playing puzzle kombat online on a regular basis 5 years from now as well as chess kombat?

The problem with chess kombat is that you still are forced to use the actual mk engine which is still broken in puzzle kombat. you still can deal with infinites or broken engines. You still have to deal with a poorly designed system.

Invite some people from your friends list and start bringing fun, fair rules to the table and you'll have a nice experience.

You on the other hand challenge strangers and thus you probably had a fair share of unfair players.

Did I say anything about the puzzle and chess game lasting 5 years or more? No, I'm saying just keep playing the other modes until you lose your interest, not a half a decade.

1truKing you're greatest error is that you take your opinion as an axiome. T3 and T4 were too similar to me even though they were technically executed differently. Face it, in my world Tekken will never be able to shake the stereotypical image what it had developed ever since the second sequel.

So much of not knowing wat I'm talking about. perhaps you should pay attention to what I say, and I have warned that I'm only stating my opinions in my wiew on the matter.

Oh dammit, i just remembered someone who posted some utter bullshit here about Personal Opinions being an excuse for not seeing the true issue. Whatever, that was half assed.

Hey, btw Archon is pretty good. But Chess resembles Dark Legions better
-dunno why? Oh plotlines and konquest. You take 100% of Konquest canon???
How many threads does it take for this to end? Listen everyone plays games for different reasons, and it seems that everyone takes their versions or couses as an axiome standing over everything else. one question: have you ever tried to get fun out of the game? Don't blame gameplay for this. I remember that I had to play a good face when playing Toshinden and Tekken with friends. I clearly don't like those games that much, but I did have fun while playing against them, despite that I could not controll the game, becouse I don't like the way Tekken and Toshinden uses directional taps for specials and everything. But still I did have fun. but then again, it all relies on people. either you are willing to have fun, or stress yourself with having senseless stress about some glitch amalgam. If you want to have fun, you can. - P.O. stated here before anyone flames me or send me to f**k knows where. Bah, this will happen again when Mk7 comes out. There will be always some group that actually places the gameplay before fun. Peace. Leave this issue for now I say.