Just that I stopped argueing doesn't mean I'm on your side. it's because i'm tired of trying to let you know that this game is enjoyable and fun to play.

And I do play Soul Calibur II by the way, don't say that I know nothing about fighting games. Deception is for players who want to have fun, Tekken is for the competieve players. Face the facts.

I'm tired now and we'll argue some more tomorrow.

I no longer wish to discuss this with you then, because your point is invalid, and i've made mine quite clear.

That has to be one of the most moronic statements I've ever read in my life. Are you honestly stupid enough to think that Tekken isn't for people who want to have fun? Seriously are you really that incredibly stupid? You are a moron nothing else to say. Yep all those people who buy tekken buy it for competition not to have fun cuz hey it's not fun to win and it's not fun to play a working game. I guess it's only fun to play a game if there is blood no gameplay and it's online. Please don't breed.

I can't believe this shit is still going on! despite cold hard FACTS that MK is garbage, there's ALWAYS a few more new people who swoop in to protect MK and all it's shittiness. I swear threads like these need to be printed and sent to every house in the world to avoid new people coming to the site and being WRONG.

Fact is fact and fiction is fiction. If you can't stand the heat get your ass out the kitchen.

^That was even gayer than the people protecting MKD. Are these people from gamefaqs? Honestly that would explain A LOT.

Cold hard facts says the game has flaws, your opinion says it is shit. Get it yet?? Cold hard facts don't show the game is shit, thats up the each and every iddy biddy individual to decide! My opinion is Deception is a good game, better than average, that needs lots of improvement and testing to be outstanding.

And I agree the ultimate aim of a fighting game is to win, you don't need a rocket scientist to work that one out, or maybe you do!? I play to win, I don't like to lose (I can accept it and laugh it off) but thats because I am competitive. I can't believe some people have said that you shouldn't be playing to win, now THAT I disagree with!! Players of Tekken have fun too, its stupid to say they don't. I sure as hell wouldn't play something if I wasn't having fun!

Throwing insults is easy as hell....

Well, this is it. I got tired of people who still put out insults at each other simply becouse they can have fun with a broken engine. you seem to handle people who actually can play deception as lesser gamers.
Sure, MK would be better with a new engine and with a non-assed overall development, but face it. Some people have low standards. What the hell you can do about it? people who are casual gamers build up a dfair portion of the gaming theatre.

And just for your information, I never fucked wih anyone in this thread. I made a kind warning to a possible error someone committed. Again, you say that opinions are wrong and there are only facts. Hmm.
Opinions don't anullate facts, true. MKD is broken as hell, but please don't insult those who can actually have a small time fun with it. I would do anything to get a better MK with better gameplay, but becouse I can't, MKD has to suffice. And whats wrong with having fun with a broken game?

I don't have low standards, infact despite my dislike to the games like Soul Calibur, tekken, DOA I still play them becouse they are good games, and have an entertaining gameplay. It's not like some goddamn academical highness of gamers.

So I'm asking for the final time, stop throwing rocks at each other. MKD is just a game, it's not worth it to debate over it's controlls or otherwise. if you wan't to do something construcive, then do it. Post your requests to Midway or try to learn game development so that you can create better fighters.

It's not worth it. it's not worth to debate over something we cannot change.
Peace everyone, instead of flaming we should stick together - becouse that is why MKO is here.

To me, The average Deception fan is like a Car Ricer, being more concerned with physichal appearance as opposed to actual driving performance. You see, stuff like Neons and Woofers and Body kits are just slowing the car down in a race. I compare that stuff to Puzzle and Chess. Now, while they may be fun to play, they evidently took away with what's important; Winning the race. Now, to drop the car metaphor. MK Deception is a fun game, while it does have it's numerous flaws it is a fun game to play. But in the end, it's the game engine itself which really matters.

Deception is cool, but it has it's serious flaws. I'd be quite happy to see the other stuff go to make the engine itself better. Don't go off calling me a "Diehard fighting game fan." Although I am, i'm simply stating the facts. Don't get me wrong, i've loved MK since I was a little kid, and it hurts me to see it slowly rot away like this. PLEASE, redo the engine so we have a smooth, flowing fighting game engine without cheap infinites and unblockables, as opposed to a jerky fighting game with bloody pop ups and juggles. If it has half the engine of a game such as SC or Tekken then it will be the finest damned fighting game, ever.

Listen to KrackerJack, he's dead on the money.

-Me

I am. The problem is not what he states, but how does he states it.
There was bsolutely no need to push people around. -probably everyday stress from the likes of me.

Anyway, if you take out the silly engine, Deception is pretty good. I mean good, better tha average graphics, good content (could be better, concept arts and stuff are okay in the crypt, but everything should have a use, inste-ad of just being there) and storyline (despite the DA winning the past ga-me, the story doesn't leaves as much cliffhangers).

Overall impression for me: 3/5
The game is good. not excellent, but good. It has only ONE big flaw and
thats the engine. We may be thankfull that they ONLY ruined the engine.
Imagine what would have happened if they bring characters in what are
even less interesting than the ones in -let's say- Mk4.

But the damn engine needs to be seriously redone. What am i saying, they need a completely new one.

Here's the core problem with calling Deception good...Boon and Co. hear what's going on. Whether they listen or not is a different story but at the very least they know what's being said. You have the press going wild over the game. 9.0 my ass. Then you have the majority of people on this site saying it's a good game. Add that all together and you won't have improvement. There isn't any middle ground when it comes to asking for a better product. Development teams don't listen to "It's a good game but it could be better." That's what they heard after Deadly Alliance. You know how they interpreted that? The "It's a good game" part let them feel the core engine was passable while "could be better" is what made them come up with the chess, puzzle, and online. If you're going to say you want MK to improve you have to go all the way otherwise you're just wasting your breath. The only time you say "It was good but could be better" is when you want most of the elements to carry over. Devil May Cry 2 is not great but it's not the worst game ever made either. But everyone flat out called it a bad game because Devil May Cry 3's quality was resting on that. Nobody wanted anything from the second game to carry over. Right now, anything from the core engine of Deception carrying over will be bad for MK7 so saying "I think it was good but improvements are needed" is an invitation for MK7 to remain pretty much the same with more mini games and a create-a-character mode. Forget about what you really think. Everyone needs to say what will help MK in the long run by calling Deception a bad game. Remember, our idea of improvement is reworking the engine. That's probably the last thing that enters Ed Boon's mind. Improvement to him is the inclusion of more secrets and features.

Just realized something important:

The lies...

Boon promised us at least 50% evolution to MKDA. lot of his promises were broken. MKD engine still sucks in comparation.

The pain...

That we have to argue over this shit forever, and realise...we have a 5/10 game what good as a fighter. But only good, while T5 and VF are consi-dered excellent. I can fuck my pride if it means getting MK7 better. can you?

The hurt...

That some hardcore MK players refuse to give in to the fact that on the market it may sell wel, but in truth, the game needs to evolve from that. if we accomodate ourselves to this, then MK7 WILL SUCk. Even though i like MKD, it needs to be pulled down becouse it is shit in gameplay.

The gain...

Maybe, Maybe Boon an Co. will get their heads up and produce a game that is free of half-assed technical executions.

Thank you.

Wow...
This whole thread could've been summed up in 2 sentences that are FACT.

This game can in fact be fun if you enjoy playing it without focusing on the problems.

yet...

This game has problems and engine issues that some find game breaking.

Both these statements are true and anything anyone posts from now on is simply regurgitation.

So for the love of god and all things rational, close this frigging thread.

the problem with MKD is the internet and those 'hardcore' fighting game players who will test the game for days to find all his flaws and glitches... then they will post those glitches on the internet and tell people how to do them on MK websites... after a while most people will know how to do those moves and abuse them online...

Without the internet, only a minority of people would know about Noob-Smoke infinites or Bo Rai Cho f+3 and free throw moves. What I'm trying to say is that it is a minority of people who ruin this game for the majority by spoiling all those glitches and broken moves that most people would have never found anyway.

waiting for the flame...

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAA!

If you're about to eat an apple with a worm in it, don't blame me for "spoiling" your meal if I mention it. I didn't put it there. The point is, don't shoot the messenger. If Boon and Co. make a shoddy product then what's the point in getting mad at the people who make note of it? I don't like it that there are glitches in the game. You don't like it that I say there are glitches in the game. Both our problems can be solved if we both demand a better product from Midway. Would you rather everyone keep quiet so you can fool yourself into believing it is a good game or instead have a legitimately good game without bugs and glitches?

oh I do agree with you, off course I would prefer to have a good game without bugs and glitches... but I also want the game to be online... apparently some guy said that Tekken could not be put online because of the frames or whatever... the point that I'm trying to make is that I doesn't want MK to be a Tekken clone. MKD if it would have been properly tested would have been a fine game IMO.

But question like that would it be possible in the near future to have a game(like Tekken 5) playable online and still have a decent game quality

yes. MKSM looks quite half-half-assed compared to MKD. But an actual fighter? Probably in the near future. Expect it I say.

Mmmm, Illyria

I just couldn't stop laughing when someone said that DOAU's a competitive fighting game.

MKD the best fighting game on the current market? I dunno about that one buddy. The game can hardly surprass MKDA (which in my opinion's an overall better game).

No. We have to say it over and over and over. Thread after thread after thread.
If we just said it once then left it at that, then nobody would notice. Perhaps nobody is going to notice anyway, but at least it's going to be here for people to find.

Also, I don't understand how people could not focus on the problems. When you're stuck in a Noob-Smoke infinite, tell me how you can not focus on that? Close your eyes, block your ears, and pretend it isn't happening?
How can people not focus on the fact that they just got hit by a mid attack before they even saw it coming?

Not only are the problems right in front of you, they're slapping you in face and mocking you. There's no "hm i'll just pretend that didn't happen". If people are going to do that, why even bother to play?

For proof MK is only filler fluff, just look at the community. Max users online 5 months, 5 MONTHS, after MKD's release is maybe 30 users tops at these forums. Nothing in MKD made people want to keep coming back. It was just there for a couple weeks for fatalities and other garbage. Look at other fighting game communites and notice how many people are online at any given time to games that came out much more than 5 months ago. MK is only hot for a couple weeks and then it dies. Why? Because there's no substance in it. Anyone denying this is wrong.

The only problem I have with people saying MKD is good is simply that it's not good. At all. If the MK team quit calling it a fighter, there wouldn't be an uproar with how bad it is. If it was just a game with chess, puzzle kombat, oh, and a generic fighting game on it, noone would be complaining. But since MK is still centered around it's FIGHTING, people care. And as a FIGHTING GAME, it sucks. Fact.

I had a lot of fun with MKDA for a while when it first came out.

Then I started reading stuff about game play design, what works what doesn't. Actually understanding and being able to come up with ideas my self.

Then I just didn't feel like playing MKDA as much because I noticed the problems and it just got annoying.

Then MKD Came out and from the first time I played it I noticed it had even more problems than before. The engine is so bad that I can't stand to play through arcade mode all the way.

I just get frustrated and I can't stand to play for more than a few matches.

It sucks because I always liked MK. I love the characters, stages, music, blood, fatalities.......... but the game play ugh! It messes up the whole fun of the game for me. It's like almost everything about it is done wrong and causes problems. Instead of me having fun, I feel frustrated that I cant' do this or that is too cheap or just plain half assed (cough breakers cough!)



If MK had a really well designed fighting engine preferably on par with the other high quality fighters out now, It would probably be my favorite game again.

I'm wondering if I'm even gonna buy MK7. MKDA was ok, MKD got worse, MK7..... ummm, I don't think I'm willing to fall for the same thing a 3rd time.

I'm gonna make sure I rent MK7 before I buy it. Or just buy a used version or when it lowers in price.


I hope things really change for MK7.

the reason why not a lot of people are online is because most people are actually playing the game instead of posting on this forum...

over 3 millions games have been played online on the PS2 and that was a long time ago(now its maybe around 3,5 million games), sale wise Tekken 5 doesn't even come close to MKDeception.

mmmm, I'm not too sure about that and the game came out not too long ago.

Does anybody have the sales on T5 yet?

What do sales have to do with anything at all?
The game could sell like hotcakes and still be rubbish, which is almost what's happening now.

Besides, Tekken 5 hasn't even been on US consoles for a month, nor has it been released in PAL regions, so the comparison is completely lacking in rationality anyway.

Ed Boon is probably smart enough to match wits with Batman. Who else can make a product with so many obvious flaws, market it so unbelievably well that it sells millions, and manage to get the consumers to actually defend the product despite it being flawed and label constructive criticism as hating. It's really amazing. I'm not being facetious when I say that Ed Boon has my respect in that regard because I still can't fathom how he did it. Capitalism plays by certain rules in relation to how the consumers react to a provider of a product and/or service. Ed Boon single handedly beat the system. The only other time I can remember that happening is with the pet rock. A guy actually managed to sell rocks to people. ROCKS...for MONEY. I need to invent something. I know! I'll invent the formal bandanna. You like wearing bandannas? Now you can wear them to weddings! A bandanna for the most formal of occasions. Only $49.99. Formal eye-patch sold separately.