"I'm with MkDemon on this one. You seem like you think you speak for majority of the fans."

i speak for the people who have a clue what they're talking about. in other words, i speak facts.

"You don't. How can you fix a fighting system when the way it fights is how the engine is supposed to be? I don't think it's fair to compare a MK game to a 'deeper' fighter, because those games fight like they do for a purpose. That's their fighting engine. MK has it's own, and i'm liking the MK fighting engine a lot more, because the way you fight appeals to me alot more than the rest."

yes it is fair to compare mk to a deeper fighter. because if you look at the deeper fighters, they have around the same amount of moves as mk. but they balance their games out and make sure more than 5% of the moves in the game serve a purpose.

"So stop talking like you speak for the rest of us, when most of the fans would agree with MKDemon, because he actually has something intelligent to say."

more like they agree with him because they too don't have a clue about fighting games and will continue to protect mk no matter how bad it really is. can't blame them really. they just have no clue.

"No disrespect to you, though.. just be aware of these things before you come here and bash something, hoping for something completely new, completely fantasy,"
yes, i just came here and bashed it overnight. look at the newb! here i am! i'm not hoping for anything different. the three styles is fine and i never said they need to scrap it to make something new. but they need to do things with that engine to make it better. mkd WON'T deliver on that. the same problems that plagued mkda will return.

"completely NOT Mortal Kombat."

i love when people say that. because it's just totally impossible for mortal kombat to actually have a GOOD fighting system for once *sarcasm meter goes off*. it's like you casual fans want it to be bad. when you say "mk has it's own style", it's equivalent to saying "mk isn't a good fighter and never will be".

You're one cocky bitch, aren't you? Don't tell me what I should like, and how a fighting engine is 'supposed' to be. That's just plain ignorance on your part. I'm not a casual gamer, but i'm also not the type to get all pissy when i'm expecting something from a game that popped into my head while I was sleeping... and it turns out completely different. Get out of your fantasy world, and get into the real world. This is just a damn game, and a great one at that.

I'm not gonna tell you to get a life, because you'll be away so long, this server will be gone by the time you want to respond.

Your arrogance is overwhelming. You are not an intelligent person trying to give his/her opinion, but instead some arrogant idiot, hell bent on force feeding said opinion unto people and passing it off as facts. Your supposed facts turn to mere opinions the moment another person can argue them and disagree with them by bringing forward strong points, remember that.

Also, if you no longer like or care about Mortal Kombat, if there are far better and deeper fighters out there, and last but not least, if you already saw on your crystal ball that MK Deception will be as "disappointing" as you claim Deadly Alliance was, then the question(for which I already know the answer to) is, why are you still posting here?

So much for moving on eh?

MENTHOL Wrote: i brought up sushi-x based off this idiotic comment: "but they sure as hell seem like they know what they're talking about to me... oh, I don't know... being that they PLAY GAMES FOR A LIVING." you said they know what they're talking about. sushi-x was the only one who seemed to have a clue about fighting games. but once he actually played REAL fighting game players, he didn't stand a chance. so no, reviewers have no fucking clue what they're talking about. them giving awards to mkda isn't their opinion. it means they think it was the best FIGHTER when it really wasn't. not even close. it didn't do anything at all to warrant it best fighter. and for the record, i've been playing mk and posting at mk boards a lot longer than you newbs who are hellbent on trying to be "teh bigg3$t and bestest Mk F@N d00d" (god that's so clever! it's almost as if it didn't fade out 3 years ago!). but like most old school mk players like myself, we've moved on. we critisize the franchise because we are still fans and want it to be better. but it never will be when the majority of fans are scrubs who only care about fatalities. the mk team listens to the fans and all they see is "man i hope sub-zero has a really cool fatality where he freezes someone's leg and slides into it and breaks it off!". mk is a fighting game. that's why it's compared to other fighters and that's why it sucks. it just doesn't compete. you have a serious case of scrub-itis if you think nothing was wrong with mkda's engine. but you wouldn't care anyway. because you play it for fatalities. so what's the point of even arguing back? you're not proving anything but my point of 99% of mk players don't have a clue about fighting games. to top it off, i'm not a fighting game expert. never claimed to be. but i do understand what's going on when it comes to fighting games and do realize why mk isn't good anymore compared to other fighters. old school mk players do also. it's only the newbs who think it's flawless. don't worry, once you get over the fatalities and start playing the game, you'll realize how wrong you are. or just play another fighting game and you'll see.

Here you go again, spouting shit direct from your superiority complex. Who the fuck are you to deem what is a "real" fighting game? So this sushi-x guy wasn't as "hardcore" as seemingly thought, so fucking what? Does that mean he didn't like fighting games? Does that mean he didn't have fun playing? More to the point, he obviously gave good reviews to the deep games, so what the fuck are you talking about? Because he got beat he's not allowed to like the game? Because he got beat and didn't own somebody that his opinions are less valid then the next person? What the fuck is your point? Yes, I'd be FAR more inclined to trust a review from an average gamer, more then a hardcore one. Why? Because the hardcore one will always be biased to other games.

Awards given ARE their opinion. Best fighter MEANS they personally think it was the best fighter. This does NOT have to coincide with your opinion. Whereas one game may have a more technically sufficient engine, this doesn't mean that it was more fun then MKDA to play to that person. It's all subjective, and you'd do well to learn the difference between YOUR opinion and what is fact.


Reading the rest of your post, you just kind of trail off into retarded generalizations of MK fans, so I'll just say one more thing.

MK fans like MK because it's fuckin' FUN. Doesn't HAVE to be deep. Doesn't HAVE to be the best. Doesn't HAVE to try and top every fighting game out there. All it has to be is just fun. This doesn't garner focus to one specific area of MK lore such as Fatalities as you so ignorantly stated. But combinations of many different aspects of MK bring people back for more, including what many consider to be a perfectly fine fighting engine.

yes...yeeees! more replies, my harpies. more! love me...lov..........um, just ignore that. anyways, guys, who cares if this is a "deep" fighting game or not. as MKDemon stated, all that matters is that the game is fun and that it sells. numbers don't lie. MK:DA sold millions. expect much higher numbers from Deception. sure, it may not be the "deepest" fighter out there...but a little mindless violence never hurt anyone.

MENTHOL Wrote: mk is a fighting game. that's why it's compared to other fighters and that's why it sucks. it just doesn't compete. you have a serious case of scrub-itis if you think nothing was wrong with mkda's engine. but you wouldn't care anyway. because you play it for fatalities. so what's the point of even arguing back? you're not proving anything but my point of 99% of mk players don't have a clue about fighting games. to top it off, i'm not a fighting game expert. never claimed to be. but i do understand what's going on when it comes to fighting games and do realize why mk isn't good anymore compared to other fighters. old school mk players do also. it's only the newbs who think it's flawless. don't worry, once you get over the fatalities and start playing the game, you'll realize how wrong you are. or just play another fighting game and you'll see.

couldnt agree more man...

I respect peoples' opinions, but this is the best MK ever, so if they have a problem with it, they can shove it up their ass!

SoulEdge316 Wrote: I'm sure the Deadly Alliance engine has a few flaws, but it's much better than the same stale and repetitive engine that has been used since MK1, where every character had the exact same regular attacks. I'm glad they changed the engine when they developed Deadly Alliance, instead of having every character use the same sweeps, the same uppercut, the same high & low punches/kicks etc.

how is the old style stale and repetitive and how has it been used since MK1? There have been 6 MK games including this one, 3 of them have had the "stale and repetive" style. But all three introduced something relating to the fighting mechanics that also affected the way the game played.

Any way, I wouldnt expect to see anything new as far as the whole engine is concerned until the next-next generation systems are released.

MKDA was different, and it lacked certain elements that could be corrected with some acknowledge of those lacking elements and some time spent correcting them. If they did that to MK:D, then it will be a great game.

there is NOTHING WRONG with the MKDA engine gameplay.

that wasnt what bothered me, it was the lack of classic and signature special moves per fighter and unique. and also the people moved too slowly and they could hardly jump. also lack of uppercut and roundhouse.

now this game has faster gameplay classic spceial moves like ICE CLONE!!!! and teleport punch and teleport moves are back.

and my other problem was the lack of ninjas and classic fighters.

and now this game has the ninjas and classic fighters.

also my 3rd problem with MKDA was only one fatality and no stage fatalitys and it got me mad everytime i seen that acid level stage.

now they have stage fatalitys and 2 fatalitys and even added hari kari, and they have weapon fatalitys for some like mightwolf who uses his axe to sindels head and li mei who has a brutality as one of er fatalitys.


my problems were solved in this game, better roster, better special moves and fataltiys and stage ones, those were my only problems it wasnt the gameplay.

also i kne MKDA would suck, i learned my lesson with base game engines, for example smackdown 3 and RAW for xbox used base engines and they sucked simply not enough time to make game when u start from scratch.

once i seen the roster on MKDA in the website i knew it would suck. liu kang died, too many earthrealm fighters who arent my fightying type i like outworld better.

and reptile was a &%*@ up.


so those porblems are fixed. alos they didnt have no FINAL BOSS. in this game they do.

the mid boss chimera will be like nothing we ever seen boon said, and he was right, he also said in the interview that the mid boss will BE playable and also he will be even better then mk2's mid boss. (Kintoro)

also the main man KABAL is back and the MK3 sub is back, ice clone is all i needed to bring sub back on my roster again.

peace out i just proved that this game will own cause i named the minor porblems about MKDA and it was mostly the roster that bothered me and the lack of interactive levels, there is no invisible walls in this game so thats one thing that bothered all.

and a lack of a pit stage, and they have a pit stage in this game.

PEACE OUT/

I loved MK 1-3 but I got tired of every character fighting the same way. Even Street Fighter somewhat corrected this, everybody had different attack style and the moves connected in different places. In MK, everyone had the same sweep, same uppercut, same roundhouse, same low & high attacks.

Legacy Wrote: I respect peoples' opinions, but this is the best MK ever, so if they have a problem with it, they can shove it up their ass!

wow... clam down tough guy..haha...sigh wtf is wrong wit u ppl u..sum of u..not all of u (u know who u r) must have no life at all..to get mad as soon as someone starts sayin something bad or negative about mk:da/mk:d...a game...a peice of nonexistence...it ait dat serious man...
"the fighting engine in mk:da and mk:d SUCKS!!"....heh now watch kids and observe sum moron write a reply to dat comment tellin me i how i should blah blah blah blah blah....sigh.. sum of u need to grow up man..really its just a game...u gonna hate sumone just cuz he or she dislikes a game??..huh??? heh..
and i do still think the fighting engine in mk:da/mk:d is still lacking..and if for sum weird ass reason dat bugs u..then tough..get over it..its only a g-a-m-e...sum of u got to stop takin it so seriously...
sigh...now moving on...

LOL..Menthol verbally owned you guys up pretty damn bad. I was reading through this stuff and was thinking "damn, I wish I knew about it earlier to help my boy Menth out", but it looks like he handled shit well on his own. I love how some fans resort to insults and weak comebacks when they cant back shit up with insults

MENTHOL is the only one who knows WTF a fighting game is. the rest of you need to read and STUDY his posts rather that insult him.

Man, so many scrubs. Too many scrubs.

You people must think we just come here and flame you guys. I cant speak for all, but I love MK, but I JUST WANT TO SEE SOME DEPTH! Im not asking for Virtua Fighter 4(hands down the deepest fighter in the world) or Tekken 4(pretty deep) but atleast some kind of depth that rivals Bloody Roar. Yeah, believe it or not Bloody Roar is pretty deep.

How good this game will be will be judged in sales/popularity.

It is a certain winner already.

If it is so much fun you will come back time and time again to play it over and over, then it WILL be deep enough. If you get bored with it then perhaps it won't be deep enough.

To each their own.

MK will beat off all other fighting games in terms of Fun factor, of that I have no doubt.

I'd prefer to be competitive online with all characters, not just one or 2. VF's strength is also it's weakness.

Acting like arguing over the internet is something wrong or stupid is one of the most retarded things I have ever heard. What's the difference between arguing online and in real life? What? Because in real life people might hit you if you say something you don't like? Sure. Fact of the matter is, whether you like it or not, most of us engage in arguments online everyday. Whether it's with a friendly tone or a more ferocious one, it happens. So bitch if you want, but I don't see what's wrong with it.

PLUS, cartmansp seeing how you were part of most of these arguments I would not talk. That's rather hypocritical.

"How good this game will be will be judged in sales/popularity."

Wow..what the hell? So because it's guaranteed to sell millions means it's a good game? Have you ever heard of the phrase "the name sells"? If Star Wars Episode 3 sucks it's still going to be a box office smash.


"If it is so much fun you will come back time and time again to play it over and over, then it WILL be deep enough. If you get bored with it then perhaps it won't be deep enough."

I play MKDA all the time, and it's not deep. I am not saying I will not play MKD like mad, but what I am saying is that I would like it to have some more depth so I can enjoy it more.


"MK will beat off all other fighting games in terms of Fun factor, of that I have no doubt."

Alrighty, if using pre canned combos and getting hit by shit that shouldnt have hit you because of ass hit detection is fun then prepare for the time of your life!

You'llll have...the time of your life! And you'll never feel that way before! Yes I swear! It's true...and we owe it all *people like* you!

"I'd prefer to be competitive online with all characters, not just one or 2. VF's strength is also it's weakness."

See this is the part where you prove 100% that you have no idea what you're talking about. Only about 8 characters in MKDA could compete consistantly. While in VF4 you can win with EVERYBODY with a good chance. VF4 matters more about your skill with a char than how good the char is. This is why Pai(who I think is low tier) can spank Akira(who I remembered to be the best in game) any given day.

Looks like MENTHOL the pimp gave his working girls a break so they could come out and repeat & repost his stupid, arrogant, nonsense.

And scrubs? please, I've mastered and learned to enjoy every fighting game I've ever played, from Karate Champ, to the Street Fighters, the Fatal Furys, Fighter's History, Tekken 1-4, Killer Instinct etc., so before you start judging people and generalizing, make sure you know you are talking about.

If there's anything worst than scrubs, it's arrogant fighting game assholes who think are above everybody else because they just play certain "elite" games.

Some of you sound so jaded, like you envy or you just can't swallow having Mortal Kombat fans be happy with the games. As soon as there's a thread of people talking about how they like Deadly Alliance or can't wait for Deception, or saying how they(in their opinion) think MK Deception will be a great game, a siren sounds in the "Elite Hall of H@rk0rez Fighting Game Fans" and out comes someone with the usual rambling about how uncomparably deep VF4 is or the greatness of red parrys in Street Fighter III, and claiming how MK sucks and their fans are all scrubs.

I guess with the arcade business going down the shitter, a lot of those "elite" folks need to find something else to fill their empty time slot with other than putting those deep and massively strategic skills to use, and leave everybody else like and have fun with whatever the hell they want.

What makes a bad fighting game? In all honesty. What qualities can a fighting game have or lack that would make it bad or at least not as good as it could be? I want to see something based on the answers.

Most of us who critisize the weak points of MKDA's fighting system are doing so so MKD will be the best game it can be... we are MK fans who want a deep experience and if tweaking the fighting system is the only thing required since the stages rock, the fatalities are looking good, the other modes of the game look interesting and a lot of our favorite characters are returning... the only thing remains is correcting the fighting system... I had tons of fun with MKDA, but once everything was unlocked... there was nothing to do... most of my friends who play other fighting games hate MKDA... I want MKD to be all it can be... and thats why I critisize DA's weak points rather than worship and say MKD will rock no matter what...
Also MKD will be the best MK ever, most likely.. best fighting game ever... that remains to be seen...

"Looks like MENTHOL the pimp gave his working girls a break so they could come out and repeat & repost his stupid, arrogant, nonsense."

Arrogance and nonsense? I hope you're not talking about me. I would also like to say how is what we say arrogant and stupid and what you say isn't? We're expressing how we feel about something..deal with it or don't go to this site.

"And scrubs? please, I've mastered and learned to enjoy every fighting game I've ever played, from Karate Champ, to the Street Fighters, the Fatal Furys, Fighter's History, Tekken 1-4, Killer Instinct etc."

It's a good thing you didn't say Mortal Kombat, or else I'd have to ask for your AIM screname so I can RAPE you in any Mortal Kombat and make you feel like a complete idiot. Still, I doubt you've even learned how to play in those fighting games correctly, let alone master them. Like I have said. Calling yourself a master automatically makes you a scrub. You've accomplish nothing. You've won no major tournament(unless you go by a name different than souledge316) and nobody knows who you are. Even people who have accomplish big things in fighters like MaddogJin and Slips never call themselves masters because they can be beaten.

"so before you start judging people and generalizing, make sure you know you are talking about."

Excuse if I am wrong, but I do believe I have never, ever insulted you until that retarded "let me be a hero for all the MK fan boys" post you made a little earlier today.

"If there's anything worst than scrubs, it's arrogant fighting game assholes who think are above everybody else because they just play certain "elite" games."

How are we arrogant? We never said you guys are retarded or stupid for liking MK, and if I did I for one appologize, but what I did say is that if you think MKDA was fine the way it was then you are blind to the facts. We don't just play "elite" games, and now you're the one generalizing. You're acting like we don't know what's up with MK. I'm not sure, but I bet we all have way more visits than you do, so I guess we just hate MK. I guess we just bash it because we don't want it to succeed. Wrong, it's scrubs like you that say "oh I like MK the way it is" or "oh stop trying to make it like soul calibur it has it's own flavor!".

"Some of you sound so jaded, like you envy or you just can't swallow having Mortal Kombat fans be happy with the games."

No, we've just grown out of what you people find to be acceptable in fighters. I was just like you a year or so ago, but then I've come to the realization that..in short..Mortal Kombat sucks as a fighting game. Now, Mortal Kombat is my favorite gaming franchise of all time, but not because it's a good fighter. It's because of the memories, the characters, the amazing story and the trivias and the movies and comics and such. I will be happy with Mortal Kombat: Deception no matter what, but the reason why I'll be happy is yet to be determined. Will it be because it's the same old boring engine with the same "flavor" that I've grown to love or will it because that same flavor is there but with depth and replayability(and when I say depth and replayability..I am not talking about puzzle kombat, chess kombat, or konquest. I am talking about a core engine that's fun and exciting)

"and out comes someone with the usual rambling about how uncomparably deep VF4 is or the greatness of red parrys in Street Fighter III, and claiming how MK sucks and their fans are all scrubs."

Because the truth is the truth maybe? Here is a fact. There might be 200 hundred members on this site. Out of 200, maybe 20 know what's up with fighting game. It's that simple. People like MK because of all the reasons other than it's a good fighter. You know this..why argue over it. The most of us are simple minded people who are pleased with simple things like our favorite character having a teleport or an announcer with a deeper voice.

"I guess with the arcade business going down the shitter, a lot of those "elite" folks need to find something else to fill their empty time slot with other than putting those deep and massively strategic skills to use, and leave everybody else like and have fun with whatever the hell they want."

How is MKDA fun? I would like to know how any can find that game in any way,shape or form fun. Really..I don't understand. So instead of bitching at me tell me why I SHOULDN'T want MKD to be something more than MKDA was engine wise?

Majin Tsung you are right. People I can't stand are those who act like MKD is going to "kick ass" and "rock" because every now and then flames pop up to do damage to you or there are now ring outs. That's all the death draps are buddy..ring outs. Rings out sugar coated with blood and gore to make fans happy. I'm hyped for it, but that doesn't mean I am going to say "MKD is going to kick ass and be the best fighter ever."

Threads like this do nothing but prove that MK fans have no clue what the hell is going on, and all they can do is fabricate why MKDA is fun to PLAY. PLAY.PLAY.PLAY.It's not fun to play. It's boring to play.

One of you guys said that you're sure someone can play and enjoy Soul Calibur and Tekken and then come back and still find some fun with MKDA. Umm..how? What does MKDA offer? Nothing. It offers nothing but unfixed glitches, easy infinites and horrible hit detection. It offers nothing but unbalanced characters, brain dead combos and pointless attacks. You tell me I am wrong. Dare I say it, but I doubt ANYBODY could argue with me if I say Mortal Kombat: Deadly Alliance is by far, without in a hint of competetion..THE most unpolished 3D fighting game ever created. You tell me something MKDA offers that is a good thing.

I've asked this question in different forms several times, and I never got an answer. The closest thing I've got to an answer is when cartmansp admitted that the gameplay in MK is not what he or most fans play for. It's for everything else.