SoulEdge316 Wrote: *person talks about the flaws of a Mortal Kombat game, then moments later gets jumped by rabid MK fans* *person talks about liking Mortal Kombat and thinking how great the games are, then moments later gets jumped by other fighting games fans and a huge MK sucks/doesn't suck argument breaks out*

That's sad

Very few people on these forumns can express their ideas in a mature, respectable way. They refuse to belive they're wrong so they flame everybody that has a different opinion than them.

I agree, it's sad.

I wish we could all talk and share our ideas without having these arguments break out.

SoulEdge316 Wrote: Like I have said. Calling yourself a master automatically makes you a scrub. When did I call myself a master? There's a big difference between learning and mastering a game or games, and claiming to be an unbeatable master player, which is something I never said. Show me a single paragraph where I claim or boast that I'm better than anybody or a master as you put it. There is always going to be someone better than me and mostly better than everybody else. My point was that I played those games, practiced, learned every character, and every technique there is to them until I perfected them, be it timing, combos etc., but that doesn't make me a master, it just makes me a player who can go into any of those games and use any character effectively, way beyond the average scrub that doesn't know what they're doing and thinks they can play a game just cause he/she learned how to press the buttons, and memorized from some magazine or guide how to pull off a few special moves. Maybe I chose the wrong way to phrase, but don't put words in my mouth or insinuate something that it's not. Hope my point was understood. And before things go farther and the argument gets more heated, let me make clear that I've never claimed MK DA(or the MK franchise as a whole) do not have any problems or flaws. I love the games but they clearly have issues that should be addressed in order to have a smoother gameplay, like one example I gave in another thread is strong moves that aren't prone to leaving the attacker open for a counter attack. In MK DA you throw a roundhouse kick or any strong moves that inflicts major damage and the attacker recovers too quickly, unlike say Tekken or Soul Calibur, where you just can't go throwing attacks in the air without getting pummeled. The reason I entered this thread is because of a lot of MENTHOL's comments that gave me an arrogant vibe. It's one thing to put out your opinions or points, and talk about the flaws or how they could be fixed, but when you start pushing up opinions into people, generalizing and sounding like you have a higher than thou, "I'm better or above you because I play certain games" attitude, then there's a problem. And it's something that I've seen in a lot of forums and places, and it's sad. On the other hand I can see what triggers that sort of attitude, when you have a large group of blind fans that will get rabid whenever you say something negative about their game and at times they end up sounding like infants. But the door swings both ways. *person talks about the flaws of a Mortal Kombat game, then moments later gets jumped by rabid MK fans* *person talks about liking Mortal Kombat and thinking how great the games are, then moments later gets jumped by other fighting games fans and a huge MK sucks/doesn't suck argument breaks out* Either way I hope there aren't any hard feelings or judgement is passed because of the things said in this thread. In the end we're all fighting game fans and the only thing that separates us is the way we play each game and the reasons we play them. Last but not least to the person that challenged me to a game, I would love to take you up on that challenge, but I'm on 56k, and the last time I ever played on Kaillera was Street Fighter Alpha 3 and it was a slow and laggy hell. If God allows I'll be making the switch to broadband by the time MK Deception and Halo 2 come out so if I ever spot you around these forums or others(I also post on TNL.com and Gamefaqs) I'll gladly accept.

No disrespect but I dont want to read what you just said or reply to it. I've had a enough, but my putting the original text in this post I can see that you will be getting broadband. Well, if I get Xbox and not PS2 then it's on. See ya around.

B00gieman Wrote: I think y'alls heads would blow right the fuck up if you played a decent game like PIT FIGHTER! BAHAHAHAHAHA

That stings, dude. I own Pit Fighter.
But seriously. This is getting to be too much. This isn't about good game/bad game. At least not to me. Good and bad in terms of quality only exist comparatively. Something is only good if it's comparatively better than something else. The reverse is also true. I like MK:DA. I'm playing through konquest again right now actually. Got just Scorpion, Cage, and Kung Lao left to go. But if that was the only 3D fighter available and therefore not comparatively worse than anything else, I'd still want more from Deception. Call it a quirk but I always like to imagine how I'd do things if I was a game designer. For example, I imagined the concept of tag team fighting back before X-Men Vs. Street Fighter did it. I was inspired by those old wrestling games and imagined what Street Fighter II would be like if I could swap between Guile and Ryu on the fly. My point is that I don't think in terms of good and bad persé. I think in terms of "what would I like to be able to do?". And I want to be able to do more in Deception than I could in DA. And, no. I'm not talking about minigames and deathtraps. That's just icing. I want the damn cake.

I find some of the emotional bed wetting and e-peen waving in this thread to be somewhat indicative of many game board discussions gracing the net. Hmmm... I wonder if it's true what they say: Anonymity + Audience = internet f*cktard? At any rate, try to keep it clean ladies and gents. The more you flame, the more you discredit your own strength of character. It's inevitable, and it doesn't make much sense to come off like a non-factor with the social skills of a bed room slipper, when you’re really trying to get others to take your opinions seriously... does it?

That said, as an old school MK and fighting game fan in general, I have to agree with the concerns that some of the folks here have been expressing. MK has always been a strong franchise without question, however MK's fighting system still leaves some things to be desired, and those things in my opinion don't necessarily have anything to do with making the mechanics "overly" complex. Sometimes the highest degree of quality or depth can be found in relative simplicity. Just look at the strategic skill based game of chess. A fairly simple game in design, but its overall depth and quality is phenomenal.

“A game should be easy to learn but hard to master”, as the devs over at Blizzard Entertainment like to say. It's my opinion that this should be the cornerstone philosophy of any successful dev crew concerning game play. Now MK may very well be on its way toward this criterion, but based on what we have seen and heard regarding MK: Deception thus far, it certainly doesn't seem to be there yet.

i agree 100% with everything that Bleed posted.

Thats exactly the point, if its there at least you've got the option to use the feature. If you don't wanna throw escape, then don't, simple as that.

It'd be great if MK:D could incorporate most of that.

Bleed pretty much summed up what we all wanted to say but didn't feel like since we all have said it several times. Thanks..

As I have said before, Serpah, internet arguments are inevitable whether it's clean or flameful, and I know my opinion is taking seriously because it's all facts whether other fans want to admit it or not. Maybe you were talking about boogieman.

One thing I heard from sources is that the clone can be linked from combos. So shit like 1,2~clone works and stuff like that. That should be dope because you know that after each 2 hits in MKDA a combo is interuptable, so instead of doing 1,2,b+2 you could do 1,2,clone and if they try to interupt in between the 2 and the b+2 they'll eat the clone..SWEET!

Bottom line, the MK series for the most part is garbage.

They need play some other fighters before they make another MK after Deception, THAT is if they don't go bankrupt from it.


Peace

B00gieman Wrote: Bottom line, the MK series for the most part is garbage. They need play some other fighters before they make another MK after Deception, THAT is if they don't go bankrupt from it. Peace

B00gieman is rite..

I think the game is going to sell like crazy even if it doesn't change the game play much.

Versatile Wrote: Bleed pretty much summed up what we all wanted to say but didn't feel like since we all have said it several times. Thanks.. As I have said before, Serpah, internet arguments are inevitable whether it's clean or flameful, and I know my opinion is taking seriously because it's all facts whether other fans want to admit it or not. Maybe you were talking about boogieman. One thing I heard from sources is that the clone can be linked from combos. So shit like 1,2~clone works and stuff like that. That should be dope because you know that after each 2 hits in MKDA a combo is interuptable, so instead of doing 1,2,b+2 you could do 1,2,clone and if they try to interupt in between the 2 and the b+2 they'll eat the clone..SWEET!

You're talking about buffering, right? Damn, I hope that's true. In MKDA I could do Scorpion's flip kick or a throw or start another combo after his 2,2,4 Hapkido string. I think it's just a glitch, but if could do that with more regularity in MKD, I'd be in heaven.

It sounds to me like MK4.


I liked how you could link special attacks MK4.

As I have said before, Serpah, internet arguments are inevitable whether it's clean or flameful, and I know my opinion is taking seriously because it's all facts whether other fans want to admit it or not. Maybe you were talking about boogieman.

Versatile, my statement was a general one, but just as a fyi, having a strong fact based argument is no excuse to flame. It doesn't add anything to the discussion, and usually ends up turning the whole thread into a flame fest.

There's just no way to justify flaming... none. I can say with absolute confidence that flaming detracts from anyone's opinion. It turns lots of people off and only clouds the issue.

Generally speaking, arguing like an educated young adult is great while arguing like a little kid is not. It really isn't any more complicated then that.

What the hell is wrong would u rather go back to the one set of moves fighting system I love the new system its awesome what the hell more could they add there probably at the highest mark with the technology they have. What possibly else can they do????

The answer to that has already been posted above. Read around the middle of the page.

Seraph Wrote: As I have said before, Serpah, internet arguments are inevitable whether it's clean or flameful, and I know my opinion is taking seriously because it's all facts whether other fans want to admit it or not. Maybe you were talking about boogieman. Versatile, my statement was a general one, but just as a fyi, having a strong fact based argument is no excuse to flame. It doesn't add anything to the discussion, and usually ends up turning the whole thread into a flame fest. There's just no way to justify flaming... none. I can say with absolute confidence that flaming detracts from anyone's opinion. It turns lots of people off and only clouds the issue. Generally speaking, arguing like an educated young adult is great while arguing like a little kid is not. It really isn't any more complicated then that.

A big whatever to that.

Raiden_is_god Wrote: What the hell is wrong would u rather go back to the one set of moves fighting system I love the new system its awesome what the hell more could they add there probably at the highest mark with the technology they have. What possibly else can they do????

a better fighting system, if you think that shit is solid DON'T play any other fighter in your lifetime, cause I really fear if you have any heart conditions or are pregnant it could be fatal.

I rather play "simple" games like MK than games like Virtua Fighter 4.. You don't win the match by hitting someone but by countering everything they throw at you .. and I would REALY chose mk over Tekken, since that game tends to become boring realy fast to me.. the only game that can make me feel the same level of happiness is Soul Caliber 2 and not even that game has the same "depth" MK has but like all games has it's pros and cons over it.. but I'll buy it no mather what.. this game is gonna rock!

fartbunny_mk Wrote: I rather play "simple" games like MK than games like Virtua Fighter 4.. You don't win the match by hitting someone but by countering everything they throw at you .. and I would REALY chose mk over Tekken, since that game tends to become boring realy fast to me.. the only game that can make me feel the same level of happiness is Soul Caliber 2 and not even that game has the same "depth" MK has but like all games has it's pros and cons over it.. but I'll buy it no mather what.. this game is gonna rock!

How is MK deeper than SC?

Enough has been said. I'll just say that I agree with Bleed. He already typed and stated what I feel beautifully. No need for me to keep typing.

Here's the part I don't understand. Why is it the individuals who ARE satisfied with Mortal Kombat and think MKDA was a pretty fucking good game are just bending over and taking it up the ass from Midway?

Is MKDA really such a terrible game that anyone who plays it contently without demanding a host of changes is some sort of passive submissive tart?

Does every game have to have a myriad of options and chains and combos and reversals and things of that nature to be good? Consider perhaps that maybe YOU need to accept MK at face value, that it is an unbalanced, simplistic and fun fighting game with very few ambitions.

MK does it's own thing, to the beat of it's own drum, and I feel that if said drum does not beat loud or hard enough for you, perhaps rather than demanding more of MK, you should go to where you heard that sound in the first place.

Don't get me wrong, I'm all for adding more gameplay, and features to the engine, but IMHO Mortal Kombat doesn't NEED these things, because frankly, I'm happy as it is. And quite obviously (based on sales figures, and the popularity of sites like this) MOST people who play MK are happy with the way it turns out.

So, please, (and this is not a flame) someone enlighten me as to why I am a scrub / lame / whatever simply because I have a blast with this 2 million + selling fighting game that does not live up to your expectations?

-F.

You are not a scrub or anything like that....

It's just that you like what you like and we like what we like.

That's all, different people = Different opinions.



My opinion is that MK would be much better if it incorporated a LOT more content in to its fighting engine.

I can only see it getting better.

It's what I expect from a 3D fighting game in these times.

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I wonder, what improvements to the fight engine do the fans want in MK7.


I'm asking the fans that like MK the way it is.




Knowing what's already known about deception.

Faster movement
More individual styles
combo breakers
switch place

What else do you think should be added to MK7.

I'm talking about actual fighting, not more fatalities or more stages.

Actual game play.

MK6 isn't out yet, but I think we know enough about it to pretty much know what's coming.

Every new game has to add something to the game play engine, so let's hear what you guys have in mind.

Guess, or what would you want.

"I rather play "simple" games like MK than games like Virtua Fighter 4.."

but this is where the argument has no merit. even the simple games that are as simple or even more simple like street fighter and smash brothers please the people who want a quick fix and have the depth for the hardcore players. mk only caters to the "quick fix" people. it has no depth to please any hardcore fighting game player. this is why we want it changed.

Ya but you all forget MK is not no normal fighting game its different its not meant for most of that stuff or it would be in there

mk IS a fighting game. therefore it can be compared to others. so can smash brothers and that's not your normal fighting game either.