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07/13/2008 07:10 PM (UTC)
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Deathbearer Wrote:
mkflegend Wrote:
Deathbearer Wrote:
Vader is also merely a guest character. It isn't a "crossover" with the SC games because namco is smart enough to know that people wouldn't want the whole game to be SC vs SW. Plus Namco isn't having to remove core elements of the game to have Vader and Yoda in SC4.

If Boon really wanted Batman in the game why not just do what SC did and instead of a full crossover, just a guest character. Hell just get permission for a character like Kratos from God of War and we can keep the M rating.



Actually, it is a crossover....lots of rumors are going around saying SW will have 5 total characters in SC4 and there's at least 3 right now already...Vader, Yoda and the new apprentice...it's a crossover dude, when you have at least a few different guys from one series definitely a crossover.

Look at SSBB? Only one character or two from each series, it's a crossover obviously.

No point for Boon/Midway to have Batman and Superman as guests because there's actual story to it, another thing the SC series lacks in with "characters outside their universe" I'd like to personally hear an explanation when a game has crossover character in it and why honestly.

MK isn't removing anything either, so it's a T rating...not a big deal, it's still easily way darker then any other fighter out there right now and that's with the T rating, plus as I've said a few times on here already, Jerrod and some others. The first MK was T rated on home consoles.....

The MK series is reinvented, so there's your change among the other things graphics, gameplay etc, etc but with SC, it's the same engine more or less using SW characters as a gimmick to attract more people to the game.

Granted, Midway/DC are also banking on that idea partially to sell their game but at the same time like I said, it's reinvented, brand new......Namco is in denial and they're also adding "fatalities" now that kill you in one blow which the creator even admitted he was inspired by MK's fatalities and SF's super moves....


It isn't a crossover unless the characters from SW play an important roll to the storyline. Remember how they had Spawn and Link guest star, but they weren't important at all? If it's more like that then yeah it isn't a real crossover. of course SSBB is a crossover, it's all of nintendo's big characters. I don't see why you'd even bother bringing it up.

The gameplay for MK vs DC looks okay but until we actually play it we can't say if it's good or bad, let alone reinvented. At least the SC engine works for it's characters. So far MK vs DC isn't using the Unreal 3 engine to it's full potential, trust me I have UT3 I know what I'm talking about. MK vs DC looks pretty good but not good enough to be truely using the U3 engine.


It's like Von said, it IS a crossover man and there will be a Story in SC4 I'm sure otherwise it would be dumb and not make much sense.

SC4 is a crossover dude, I'm bringing up other games because all you need is one or two characters of the same series to be involved with another series to be a crossover, it's like Von said. No difference in concept between MK vs. DC, SC vs.SW, MVC or SSBB.....

It's like I said before, link and Spawn were just exclusive to consoles, thus not a crossover but SW already has 3 characters in SC4 in general and perhaps more...

As for gameplay, it looks good but too early to anyone to tell for sure since it's not out yet as you said.
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07/13/2008 09:01 PM (UTC)
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Deathbearer Wrote:
mkflegend Wrote:
Deathbearer Wrote:
Vader is also merely a guest character. It isn't a "crossover" with the SC games because namco is smart enough to know that people wouldn't want the whole game to be SC vs SW. Plus Namco isn't having to remove core elements of the game to have Vader and Yoda in SC4.

If Boon really wanted Batman in the game why not just do what SC did and instead of a full crossover, just a guest character. Hell just get permission for a character like Kratos from God of War and we can keep the M rating.



Actually, it is a crossover....lots of rumors are going around saying SW will have 5 total characters in SC4 and there's at least 3 right now already...Vader, Yoda and the new apprentice...it's a crossover dude, when you have at least a few different guys from one series definitely a crossover.

Look at SSBB? Only one character or two from each series, it's a crossover obviously.

No point for Boon/Midway to have Batman and Superman as guests because there's actual story to it, another thing the SC series lacks in with "characters outside their universe" I'd like to personally hear an explanation when a game has crossover character in it and why honestly.

MK isn't removing anything either, so it's a T rating...not a big deal, it's still easily way darker then any other fighter out there right now and that's with the T rating, plus as I've said a few times on here already, Jerrod and some others. The first MK was T rated on home consoles.....

The MK series is reinvented, so there's your change among the other things graphics, gameplay etc, etc but with SC, it's the same engine more or less using SW characters as a gimmick to attract more people to the game.

Granted, Midway/DC are also banking on that idea partially to sell their game but at the same time like I said, it's reinvented, brand new......Namco is in denial and they're also adding "fatalities" now that kill you in one blow which the creator even admitted he was inspired by MK's fatalities and SF's super moves....


It isn't a crossover unless the characters from SW play an important roll to the storyline. Remember how they had Spawn and Link guest star, but they weren't important at all? If it's more like that then yeah it isn't a real crossover. of course SSBB is a crossover, it's all of nintendo's big characters. I don't see why you'd even bother bringing it up.

The gameplay for MK vs DC looks okay but until we actually play it we can't say if it's good or bad, let alone reinvented. At least the SC engine works for it's characters. So far MK vs DC isn't using the Unreal 3 engine to it's full potential, trust me I have UT3 I know what I'm talking about. MK vs DC looks pretty good but not good enough to be truely using the U3 engine.


How can you call them a "guest star" when they show up everytime you turn the game on? they are apart of the game no matter what.
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07/13/2008 10:17 PM (UTC)
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from reading the article it seems Lui Kang is coming back and they will have Captain Marvel. Glad to see Lui Kang back. Now isnt Captain Marvel
also know as or became Shazam. There like the same character correct.
thanks for the info.
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07/13/2008 10:38 PM (UTC)
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luckylooser38 Wrote:
from reading the article it seems Lui Kang is coming back and they will have Captain Marvel. Glad to see Lui Kang back. Now isnt Captain Marvel
also know as or became Shazam. There like the same character correct.
thanks for the info.

Well Shazam was the wizard who gave Captain Marvel and the Marvel family the powers in the first place but Shazam was killed by the Spectre now Captain Marvel is running around as Shazam.
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07/13/2008 10:43 PM (UTC)
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Not a bad trailer! I like the idea of pro moves and the usage of Test Your Might mid match. I just hope the gameplay is sped up somewhat and that the animations etc are all improved as others have mentioned.
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07/14/2008 12:54 AM (UTC)
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ArmyofErmac Wrote:
luckylooser38 Wrote:
from reading the article it seems Lui Kang is coming back and they will have Captain Marvel. Glad to see Lui Kang back. Now isnt Captain Marvel
also know as or became Shazam. There like the same character correct.
thanks for the info.

Well Shazam was the wizard who gave Captain Marvel and the Marvel family the powers in the first place but Shazam was killed by the Spectre now Captain Marvel is running around as Shazam.


Actually, though you are correct in the fact that Captain Marvel has assumed Shazam's old role and is even more powerful than he ever was, he is currently known as Marvel. He can no longer be the hero he once was because he is bound to the Rock of Eternity and can't leave for more than 24 hrs. Meanwhile, Captain Marvel Junior has assumed Captain Marvel's role and is currently known as Shazam.
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07/14/2008 01:11 AM (UTC)
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Ah yeah you're right. fucking Judd Winick. i remeber when news first broke about Trials of Shazam they said Freddy was going to become the new Captain Marvel and i hated the idea so i never readed it.
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07/14/2008 01:26 AM (UTC)
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ArmyofErmac Wrote:
Deathbearer Wrote:
mkflegend Wrote:
Deathbearer Wrote:
Vader is also merely a guest character. It isn't a "crossover" with the SC games because namco is smart enough to know that people wouldn't want the whole game to be SC vs SW. Plus Namco isn't having to remove core elements of the game to have Vader and Yoda in SC4.

If Boon really wanted Batman in the game why not just do what SC did and instead of a full crossover, just a guest character. Hell just get permission for a character like Kratos from God of War and we can keep the M rating.



Actually, it is a crossover....lots of rumors are going around saying SW will have 5 total characters in SC4 and there's at least 3 right now already...Vader, Yoda and the new apprentice...it's a crossover dude, when you have at least a few different guys from one series definitely a crossover.

Look at SSBB? Only one character or two from each series, it's a crossover obviously.

No point for Boon/Midway to have Batman and Superman as guests because there's actual story to it, another thing the SC series lacks in with "characters outside their universe" I'd like to personally hear an explanation when a game has crossover character in it and why honestly.

MK isn't removing anything either, so it's a T rating...not a big deal, it's still easily way darker then any other fighter out there right now and that's with the T rating, plus as I've said a few times on here already, Jerrod and some others. The first MK was T rated on home consoles.....

The MK series is reinvented, so there's your change among the other things graphics, gameplay etc, etc but with SC, it's the same engine more or less using SW characters as a gimmick to attract more people to the game.

Granted, Midway/DC are also banking on that idea partially to sell their game but at the same time like I said, it's reinvented, brand new......Namco is in denial and they're also adding "fatalities" now that kill you in one blow which the creator even admitted he was inspired by MK's fatalities and SF's super moves....


It isn't a crossover unless the characters from SW play an important roll to the storyline. Remember how they had Spawn and Link guest star, but they weren't important at all? If it's more like that then yeah it isn't a real crossover. of course SSBB is a crossover, it's all of nintendo's big characters. I don't see why you'd even bother bringing it up.

The gameplay for MK vs DC looks okay but until we actually play it we can't say if it's good or bad, let alone reinvented. At least the SC engine works for it's characters. So far MK vs DC isn't using the Unreal 3 engine to it's full potential, trust me I have UT3 I know what I'm talking about. MK vs DC looks pretty good but not good enough to be truely using the U3 engine.


How can you call them a "guest star" when they show up everytime you turn the game on? they are apart of the game no matter what.


I'm going to assume you don't know the difference between a guest star for TV and for video games so I won't bother trying to make an arguement since it would pretty much be a major waste of my time.
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07/14/2008 01:40 AM (UTC)
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TheAdder Wrote:
ArmyofErmac Wrote:
luckylooser38 Wrote:
from reading the article it seems Lui Kang is coming back and they will have Captain Marvel. Glad to see Lui Kang back. Now isnt Captain Marvel
also know as or became Shazam. There like the same character correct.
thanks for the info.

Well Shazam was the wizard who gave Captain Marvel and the Marvel family the powers in the first place but Shazam was killed by the Spectre now Captain Marvel is running around as Shazam.


Actually, though you are correct in the fact that Captain Marvel has assumed Shazam's old role and is even more powerful than he ever was, he is currently known as Marvel. He can no longer be the hero he once was because he is bound to the Rock of Eternity and can't leave for more than 24 hrs. Meanwhile, Captain Marvel Junior has assumed Captain Marvel's role and is currently known as Shazam.


That's interesting about his family I mean, so his son's name is Shazam huh? Very appropriate.
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07/14/2008 01:44 AM (UTC)
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Captain Marvel Junior/CM3/Shazam isn't his son (Yeah, naming him Captain Marvel Junior was a weird choice, but that's just the way they thought back then) he's actually his best friend (Captain Marvel is really just a kid in his early teens, his powers grant him his appearance).
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07/14/2008 07:59 AM (UTC)
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Fatalities!! grin
Cool! This game gets better and better!
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WaveMotionFist9
07/14/2008 11:32 AM (UTC)
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Some of you guys need to stop taking this game so seriously. Its really funny but still really silly to insult and pick apart someone's personal opinion about the game just because you dont agree with them.

Its MKvsDC not The Peoples Orthodox Chruch of Mortal Kombat.
Save the fire for when someone claims Jesus was a drug trafficking pimp or that they pimp-slapped your girlfriend.

So far I like the game but then again I care more about how fun it is rather then the graphics.
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ArmyofErmac
07/14/2008 02:03 PM (UTC)
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Deathbearer Wrote:
ArmyofErmac Wrote:
Deathbearer Wrote:
mkflegend Wrote:
Deathbearer Wrote:
Vader is also merely a guest character. It isn't a "crossover" with the SC games because namco is smart enough to know that people wouldn't want the whole game to be SC vs SW. Plus Namco isn't having to remove core elements of the game to have Vader and Yoda in SC4.

If Boon really wanted Batman in the game why not just do what SC did and instead of a full crossover, just a guest character. Hell just get permission for a character like Kratos from God of War and we can keep the M rating.



Actually, it is a crossover....lots of rumors are going around saying SW will have 5 total characters in SC4 and there's at least 3 right now already...Vader, Yoda and the new apprentice...it's a crossover dude, when you have at least a few different guys from one series definitely a crossover.

Look at SSBB? Only one character or two from each series, it's a crossover obviously.

No point for Boon/Midway to have Batman and Superman as guests because there's actual story to it, another thing the SC series lacks in with "characters outside their universe" I'd like to personally hear an explanation when a game has crossover character in it and why honestly.

MK isn't removing anything either, so it's a T rating...not a big deal, it's still easily way darker then any other fighter out there right now and that's with the T rating, plus as I've said a few times on here already, Jerrod and some others. The first MK was T rated on home consoles.....

The MK series is reinvented, so there's your change among the other things graphics, gameplay etc, etc but with SC, it's the same engine more or less using SW characters as a gimmick to attract more people to the game.

Granted, Midway/DC are also banking on that idea partially to sell their game but at the same time like I said, it's reinvented, brand new......Namco is in denial and they're also adding "fatalities" now that kill you in one blow which the creator even admitted he was inspired by MK's fatalities and SF's super moves....


It isn't a crossover unless the characters from SW play an important roll to the storyline. Remember how they had Spawn and Link guest star, but they weren't important at all? If it's more like that then yeah it isn't a real crossover. of course SSBB is a crossover, it's all of nintendo's big characters. I don't see why you'd even bother bringing it up.

The gameplay for MK vs DC looks okay but until we actually play it we can't say if it's good or bad, let alone reinvented. At least the SC engine works for it's characters. So far MK vs DC isn't using the Unreal 3 engine to it's full potential, trust me I have UT3 I know what I'm talking about. MK vs DC looks pretty good but not good enough to be truely using the U3 engine.


How can you call them a "guest star" when they show up everytime you turn the game on? they are apart of the game no matter what.


I'm going to assume you don't know the difference between a guest star for TV and for video games so I won't bother trying to make an arguement since it would pretty much be a major waste of my time.

Um yeah i do, " guest stars" only show up once and a while. this after all is a full game. so please tell me the difference.
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07/14/2008 10:32 PM (UTC)
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Captain Marvel Junior/CM3/Shazam isn't his son (Yeah, naming him Captain Marvel Junior was a weird choice, but that's just the way they thought back then) he's actually his best friend (Captain Marvel is really just a kid in his early teens, his powers grant him his appearance).


Ah ok, thanks for clearing that up. I actually like that though, Shazam for his friend. Junior whatever lol
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Deathbearer
07/14/2008 11:07 PM (UTC)
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ArmyofErmac Wrote:
Deathbearer Wrote:
ArmyofErmac Wrote:
Deathbearer Wrote:
mkflegend Wrote:
Deathbearer Wrote:
Vader is also merely a guest character. It isn't a "crossover" with the SC games because namco is smart enough to know that people wouldn't want the whole game to be SC vs SW. Plus Namco isn't having to remove core elements of the game to have Vader and Yoda in SC4.

If Boon really wanted Batman in the game why not just do what SC did and instead of a full crossover, just a guest character. Hell just get permission for a character like Kratos from God of War and we can keep the M rating.



Actually, it is a crossover....lots of rumors are going around saying SW will have 5 total characters in SC4 and there's at least 3 right now already...Vader, Yoda and the new apprentice...it's a crossover dude, when you have at least a few different guys from one series definitely a crossover.

Look at SSBB? Only one character or two from each series, it's a crossover obviously.

No point for Boon/Midway to have Batman and Superman as guests because there's actual story to it, another thing the SC series lacks in with "characters outside their universe" I'd like to personally hear an explanation when a game has crossover character in it and why honestly.

MK isn't removing anything either, so it's a T rating...not a big deal, it's still easily way darker then any other fighter out there right now and that's with the T rating, plus as I've said a few times on here already, Jerrod and some others. The first MK was T rated on home consoles.....

The MK series is reinvented, so there's your change among the other things graphics, gameplay etc, etc but with SC, it's the same engine more or less using SW characters as a gimmick to attract more people to the game.

Granted, Midway/DC are also banking on that idea partially to sell their game but at the same time like I said, it's reinvented, brand new......Namco is in denial and they're also adding "fatalities" now that kill you in one blow which the creator even admitted he was inspired by MK's fatalities and SF's super moves....


It isn't a crossover unless the characters from SW play an important roll to the storyline. Remember how they had Spawn and Link guest star, but they weren't important at all? If it's more like that then yeah it isn't a real crossover. of course SSBB is a crossover, it's all of nintendo's big characters. I don't see why you'd even bother bringing it up.

The gameplay for MK vs DC looks okay but until we actually play it we can't say if it's good or bad, let alone reinvented. At least the SC engine works for it's characters. So far MK vs DC isn't using the Unreal 3 engine to it's full potential, trust me I have UT3 I know what I'm talking about. MK vs DC looks pretty good but not good enough to be truely using the U3 engine.


How can you call them a "guest star" when they show up everytime you turn the game on? they are apart of the game no matter what.


I'm going to assume you don't know the difference between a guest star for TV and for video games so I won't bother trying to make an arguement since it would pretty much be a major waste of my time.

Um yeah i do, " guest stars" only show up once and a while. this after all is a full game. so please tell me the difference.

once in a series is like once in a while. It's like you're trying to say SC2 was a Spawn crossover for having Spawn in it even though he had no importance at all other than to be able to say that he was in it.
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07/15/2008 06:04 AM (UTC)
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Deathbearer Wrote:
ArmyofErmac Wrote:
Deathbearer Wrote:
ArmyofErmac Wrote:
Deathbearer Wrote:
mkflegend Wrote:
Deathbearer Wrote:
Vader is also merely a guest character. It isn't a "crossover" with the SC games because namco is smart enough to know that people wouldn't want the whole game to be SC vs SW. Plus Namco isn't having to remove core elements of the game to have Vader and Yoda in SC4.

If Boon really wanted Batman in the game why not just do what SC did and instead of a full crossover, just a guest character. Hell just get permission for a character like Kratos from God of War and we can keep the M rating.



Actually, it is a crossover....lots of rumors are going around saying SW will have 5 total characters in SC4 and there's at least 3 right now already...Vader, Yoda and the new apprentice...it's a crossover dude, when you have at least a few different guys from one series definitely a crossover.

Look at SSBB? Only one character or two from each series, it's a crossover obviously.

No point for Boon/Midway to have Batman and Superman as guests because there's actual story to it, another thing the SC series lacks in with "characters outside their universe" I'd like to personally hear an explanation when a game has crossover character in it and why honestly.

MK isn't removing anything either, so it's a T rating...not a big deal, it's still easily way darker then any other fighter out there right now and that's with the T rating, plus as I've said a few times on here already, Jerrod and some others. The first MK was T rated on home consoles.....

The MK series is reinvented, so there's your change among the other things graphics, gameplay etc, etc but with SC, it's the same engine more or less using SW characters as a gimmick to attract more people to the game.

Granted, Midway/DC are also banking on that idea partially to sell their game but at the same time like I said, it's reinvented, brand new......Namco is in denial and they're also adding "fatalities" now that kill you in one blow which the creator even admitted he was inspired by MK's fatalities and SF's super moves....


It isn't a crossover unless the characters from SW play an important roll to the storyline. Remember how they had Spawn and Link guest star, but they weren't important at all? If it's more like that then yeah it isn't a real crossover. of course SSBB is a crossover, it's all of nintendo's big characters. I don't see why you'd even bother bringing it up.

The gameplay for MK vs DC looks okay but until we actually play it we can't say if it's good or bad, let alone reinvented. At least the SC engine works for it's characters. So far MK vs DC isn't using the Unreal 3 engine to it's full potential, trust me I have UT3 I know what I'm talking about. MK vs DC looks pretty good but not good enough to be truely using the U3 engine.


How can you call them a "guest star" when they show up everytime you turn the game on? they are apart of the game no matter what.


I'm going to assume you don't know the difference between a guest star for TV and for video games so I won't bother trying to make an arguement since it would pretty much be a major waste of my time.

Um yeah i do, " guest stars" only show up once and a while. this after all is a full game. so please tell me the difference.

once in a series is like once in a while. It's like you're trying to say SC2 was a Spawn crossover for having Spawn in it even though he had no importance at all other than to be able to say that he was in it.


No it wasn't a full Spawn crossover because Spawn was the only character from his universe to appear in that version. The difference here is that SC4 has THREE ( and rumored to have more) Star Wars characters, so yes SC4 is a crossover and a far worse one in concept than MK Vs DCU ever could be.
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07/15/2008 12:13 PM (UTC)
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While I'm still not convinced SC4 is a crossover there seems to be no point in arguing over it. Time will tell just how much of a "crossover" it is.

And I'd take the concept for SC4 anyday over MK vs DC.
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07/15/2008 01:11 PM (UTC)
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Heres what I found at namcobandaigames.com

Star Wars Guest characters – The iconic characters enter the arena to challenge the Soulcalibur fighters for the future of the powerful swords.

Darth Vader – Wielding his lightsaber with the skill of a master swordsman, the Dark Lord of the Sith intends to defeat all those in his wake in order to discover the ancient power of the swords.

Yoda – Sensing the great force that could upset the balance of power within the universe, Jedi Master Yoda seeks to discover the cause of this disturbance and stop any who seek wield this malevolent force.


So I think I can safely say that 3 characters from one series being in a game with 33 characters from another series that have already been in 4 other games of the same name before, simply isnt a crossover.

The term crossover game is so loosely defined when you dont have the actual game telling you it is, like for example Tatsunoko vs. Capcom: CROSS Generation of Heroes. So if Namco calls them guest characters then thats what they are. Its not like their making a FPS and calling it a Hack and Slash game. The term crossover game just isnt concrete enough.

Also dont hold MK in such high esteem when it comes to fatalitys. From what I have read about the Critical Finishers in SC, they are nothing like MK's fatalitys. If anything Soul Calibur is ripping off Guilty Gear's instant kills. So tear into SC for ripping off of GG (one of the most underrated fighting games out there) instead of MK.

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07/15/2008 01:12 PM (UTC)
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tecnically with soul calibur, those characters are making more of a cameo apperance. that's why they're called GUEST characters.

but i don't feel like arguing about it either because i'd just get pissed off. woo E3.
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07/15/2008 06:32 PM (UTC)
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Call it whatever you wish, it's a crossover in SC4....you have 3 SW characters that's not guess appearances, it's a crossover. Like someone else mentioned, SW characters have no business getting involved with SC or anyone else just like Marvel to SF and MK to DC....

And wavemotion, actually SC did take the idea from MK and SF. The creator even admitted it, so you're wrong man. I read in it last months GP, I'm not giving MK's fatalities or SF's too much credit, I'm posting facts. Namco obviously wants to try to "attract" more players with "critical finishers" which is a fatality more or less, it kills you in one blow and the screen gets dark when it happens...that screams MK and SF super.

Just because the game doesn't say "SC vs. SW" doesn't mean anything, it's still a crossover none the less. And there's that rumor going around that 5 SW characters by the time the games released will be in it.....If they had just one character, I'd say maybe but 3? Crossover....And the way they're hyping it with Vader's face going up against Nightmare, it's so obvious and just like Sub vs. Bats
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07/15/2008 07:01 PM (UTC)
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mkflegend Wrote:
Call it whatever you wish, it's a crossover in SC4....you have 3 SW characters that's not guess appearances, it's a crossover. Like someone else mentioned, SW characters have no business getting involved with SC or anyone else just like Marvel to SF and MK to DC....

And wavemotion, actually SC did take the idea from MK and SF. The creator even admitted it, so you're wrong man. I read in it last months GP, I'm not giving MK's fatalities or SF's too much credit, I'm posting facts. Namco obviously wants to try to "attract" more players with "critical finishers" which is a fatality more or less, it kills you in one blow and the screen gets dark when it happens...that screams MK and SF super.


Just because the game doesn't say "SC vs. SW" doesn't mean anything, it's still a crossover none the less. And there's that rumor going around that 5 SW characters by the time the games released will be in it.....If they had just one character, I'd say maybe but 3? Crossover....And the way they're hyping it with Vader's face going up against Nightmare, it's so obvious and just like Sub vs. Bats


Actually I know the creators said it was inspired by SF and MK because I read it in your post before. But just because it's inspired by it doesnt mean its anywhere close to MK's fatalitys. In MK you beat the person, punch in the command, and then kill them. The kill happens after the match is over.

In SC they use a "soul gauge" that goes up when you attack and decreases when you guard. If you get it high enough you can break off the opponents armour with an attack. The status of the opponents armour is shown under their health bar and consists of three boxs.
If you get the opponents soul gauge down twice you can press all four buttons and perform an instant kill. That all takes place during the match. Very, very different from MK no matter how I look at. Its sort of reminiscent of SF but much closer to GG.

Also, Namco said it created the soul gauge to discourage always guarding and to make the game more offensive.

As far im concerend SC is not a crossover but the crossover thing can be debated. But to say SC is ripping off of MK for critcal finshers is like saying MKA ripped off of SC for having create-a-fighter.
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07/15/2008 08:11 PM (UTC)
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WaveMotionFist9 Wrote:
mkflegend Wrote:
Call it whatever you wish, it's a crossover in SC4....you have 3 SW characters that's not guess appearances, it's a crossover. Like someone else mentioned, SW characters have no business getting involved with SC or anyone else just like Marvel to SF and MK to DC....

And wavemotion, actually SC did take the idea from MK and SF. The creator even admitted it, so you're wrong man. I read in it last months GP, I'm not giving MK's fatalities or SF's too much credit, I'm posting facts. Namco obviously wants to try to "attract" more players with "critical finishers" which is a fatality more or less, it kills you in one blow and the screen gets dark when it happens...that screams MK and SF super.


Just because the game doesn't say "SC vs. SW" doesn't mean anything, it's still a crossover none the less. And there's that rumor going around that 5 SW characters by the time the games released will be in it.....If they had just one character, I'd say maybe but 3? Crossover....And the way they're hyping it with Vader's face going up against Nightmare, it's so obvious and just like Sub vs. Bats


Actually I know the creators said it was inspired by SF and MK because I read it in your post before. But just because it's inspired by it doesnt mean its anywhere close to MK's fatalitys. In MK you beat the person, punch in the command, and then kill them. The kill happens after the match is over.

In SC they use a "soul gauge" that goes up when you attack and decreases when you guard. If you get it high enough you can break off the opponents armour with an attack. The status of the opponents armour is shown under their health bar and consists of three boxs.
If you get the opponents soul gauge down twice you can press all four buttons and perform an instant kill. That all takes place during the match. Very, very different from MK no matter how I look at. Its sort of reminiscent of SF but much closer to GG.

Also, Namco said it created the soul gauge to discourage always guarding and to make the game more offensive.

As far im concerend SC is not a crossover but the crossover thing can be debated. But to say SC is ripping off of MK for critcal finshers is like saying MKA ripped off of SC for having create-a-fighter.


I'm not saying it's "the same" I'm saying it's a similar concept, lighting goes black in the Background which MK started, then KI did and now SC...and the move is a death move, but works similarly to SF supers. So it's a combination if you will.

Yeah, the gauge meter is rather unique with the armor etc.

Yeah, SC always seemed offensive to me. Not saying that's a bad thing but I do believe a good fighter should be about balance, both offensive and defensive. Turtling tactics will occur in any fighting game regardless of how offensive or defensive it is. I think the one reason why all of them have a timer is just for that reason, sooner or later someone has to make the first move.

That's fine, we just disagree. As far as I'm concerned SC4 is a crossover because they have a few SW characters already with more to possibly come.

Actually, it's a bit different with your last post. KAK have existed in Wrestling, PC games long before any fighting game including both SC3 and MKA, but honestly MKA's was better and had the online option so that along makes it different then SC's.

The CF in SC like I said man, the creator himself admitted he was inspired by MK and SF....so it's a bit obvious where he got the idea from, at least he admitted it though.

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07/15/2008 08:31 PM (UTC)
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WaveMotionFist9 Wrote:
mkflegend Wrote:
Call it whatever you wish, it's a crossover in SC4....you have 3 SW characters that's not guess appearances, it's a crossover. Like someone else mentioned, SW characters have no business getting involved with SC or anyone else just like Marvel to SF and MK to DC....

And wavemotion, actually SC did take the idea from MK and SF. The creator even admitted it, so you're wrong man. I read in it last months GP, I'm not giving MK's fatalities or SF's too much credit, I'm posting facts. Namco obviously wants to try to "attract" more players with "critical finishers" which is a fatality more or less, it kills you in one blow and the screen gets dark when it happens...that screams MK and SF super.


Just because the game doesn't say "SC vs. SW" doesn't mean anything, it's still a crossover none the less. And there's that rumor going around that 5 SW characters by the time the games released will be in it.....If they had just one character, I'd say maybe but 3? Crossover....And the way they're hyping it with Vader's face going up against Nightmare, it's so obvious and just like Sub vs. Bats


Actually I know the creators said it was inspired by SF and MK because I read it in your post before. But just because it's inspired by it doesnt mean its anywhere close to MK's fatalitys. In MK you beat the person, punch in the command, and then kill them. The kill happens after the match is over.

In SC they use a "soul gauge" that goes up when you attack and decreases when you guard. If you get it high enough you can break off the opponents armour with an attack. The status of the opponents armour is shown under their health bar and consists of three boxs.
If you get the opponents soul gauge down twice you can press all four buttons and perform an instant kill. That all takes place during the match. Very, very different from MK no matter how I look at. Its sort of reminiscent of SF but much closer to GG.

Also, Namco said it created the soul gauge to discourage always guarding and to make the game more offensive.

As far im concerend SC is not a crossover but the crossover thing can be debated. But to say SC is ripping off of MK for critcal finshers is like saying MKA ripped off of SC for having create-a-fighter.


I'm not saying it's "the same" I'm saying it's a similar concept, lighting goes black in the Background which MK started, then KI did and now SC...and the move is a death move, but works similarly to SF supers. So it's a combination if you will.

Yeah, the gauge meter is rather unique with the armor etc.

Yeah, SC always seemed offensive to me. Not saying that's a bad thing but I do believe a good fighter should be about balance, both offensive and defensive. Turtling tactics will occur in any fighting game regardless of how offensive or defensive it is. I think the one reason why all of them have a timer is just for that reason, sooner or later someone has to make the first move.

That's fine, we just disagree. As far as I'm concerned SC4 is a crossover because they have a few SW characters already with more to possibly come.

Actually, it's a bit different with your last post. KAK have existed in Wrestling, PC games long before any fighting game including both SC3 and MKA, but honestly MKA's was better and had the online option so that along makes it different then SC's.

The CF in SC like I said man, the creator himself admitted he was inspired by MK and SF....so it's a bit obvious where he got the idea from, at least he admitted it though.



Fair enough. Debate mode disengaged.grin
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