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07/12/2008 10:19 PM (UTC)
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Still boring but it's better than the red.
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07/12/2008 10:36 PM (UTC)
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Meh, when are they ever gonna put out a REAL MK game?
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07/12/2008 10:42 PM (UTC)
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Captain Marvel has only really had two costume's and the one is fairly new.

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Yeah, looks pretty cool. lol I remember someone asked me once when MKvs. DC was announced some nooby on here, pmed me asking if Flash and Cap was the same person because of the lightning bolt, and also if Cap Marvel was a Marvel character because of his name, but obviously we all now know that's not the case
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07/12/2008 10:45 PM (UTC)
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November, its called Mortal Kombat vs DC Universe...oh wait, fanboy definition. We don't know when the game after it'll come out. At least a year, maybe two or three if they put a lot of effort into perfecting it. To me, as a fan of both, its an exciting game. Fun concept, graphics better than ever *and still not at their finished, polished peak*, new gameplay style *dial-a-combos gone, pro moves, back to classic fatalities, new special fighting systems (Klose Kombat, Free-Fall Kombat, and certain scene transfers becoming test your might style moments, like in Metropolis)*, unique story (which we need to learn of), new characters, lots of finishers, some of them classic...it sounds like the best 3D Mortal Kombat yet (don't know if it could hold up to the classics though, as its not out).
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07/12/2008 10:54 PM (UTC)
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He's the kid that can turn into a "super" - "man" right?

I know he's basically another "Superman", but that's about it.
there totally different. he has to scream shazam first. but seriously they only share two powers.


Exactly ^ why do some people keep saying that? loltongue it's ok Pred I'm sure you're not aware of the character(he's not exactly that popular) initially I thought the same thing too 5 years ago, but read more about him and read a few comics or two with Cap and cartoons. He's very different indeed like Oracle was saying with the explanation.

He's also overall not quite as powerful as Supes is, almost but not quite equal.


Yea, I've only seen him in action the couple times he was in the JLU cartoon with my sons.

The way they depict him, is being like a careless, kind of ignorant kid in a "super" mans body. Him and Superman fought in the one episode, and he was surprisingly effective. He could fly, he was certainly a "brute-force" character like Superman, he could move really fast too...I think. Um..he could take alot of the damage Superman dealt in the cartoon as well. Only thing I think was notable that he didn't have, that Superman has, is the lazer vision. I'm not sure he can survive in outterspace either. But eh.

I've skimmed over his character description, and backstory once before, but honestly, I don't care for him. Seems like an excuse to make another(weaker) Superman character to me. To me, the shazam thing has that bad stigma of the Shaq movie associated with it too. But I guess that's unrelated.

The only thing really interesting about him though, is that he's really a kid. And even that doesn't act as a plus for MK.

Other than that, I don't care for him. I think there's supposed to be some movie in the works for him coming in the next year or so...But like I say, I couldn't care less about the character.

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I'd prefer that instead of the other thing...but then again, I'd prefer he wasn't a character in the game at all.
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07/12/2008 11:11 PM (UTC)
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mkflegend Wrote:
ArmyofErmac Wrote:
Captain Marvel has only really had two costume's and the one is fairly new.

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Yeah, looks pretty cool. lol I remember someone asked me once when MKvs. DC was announced some nooby on here, pmed me asking if Flash and Cap was the same person because of the lightning bolt, and also if Cap Marvel was a Marvel character because of his name, but obviously we all now know that's not the case


They are both really fast but the similarities end there.
I'm a really big CM fan so i'm happy he made the cut.
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07/13/2008 03:48 AM (UTC)
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God, no. No,no,no, please god, STOP THIS FUCKING GAME!!!

I'm sorry, but this is turning into a bigger pile of shit than Armageddon ever was. Hell, it's TOO SIMILAR to Armageddon, is the problem; seeing normal and Freefall Kombat made me instantly think of how Armageddon's combat system played out, and we all know how THAT system was. The "pro moves" are dumb and unoriginal, too; this will NOT be the first fighting game that lets you follow up a special move with an alternate with just a few taps of the controller during mid-animation, so it's hardly a "pro" move. And the graphics look worse than before; a lot more plastic-looking and way too generic and reminiscent of older costume styles for my liking. Clearly, the MK team are running out of ideas with these games...

The ONLY things that I remotely like is that the arenas look to be somewhat bigger and with more and varied interactive parts than MKD/MKA had, and that some of the more wanted classic moves/fatalities for MK are coming back (like Sonya's scissors kick and Scorpion's Toasty). Otherwise, this is as big a disappointment and a waste of time and money as MKA was; at least they had the good sense to wise up and cut it from being MK8, like they wanted it to be. That would've been the kiss of death for the game AND the franchise, right there, if they hadn't.
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07/13/2008 04:56 AM (UTC)
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God, no. No,no,no, please god, STOP THIS FUCKING GAME!!!

I'm sorry, but this is turning into a bigger pile of shit than Armageddon ever was. Hell, it's TOO SIMILAR to Armageddon, is the problem; seeing normal and Freefall Kombat made me instantly think of how Armageddon's combat system played out, and we all know how THAT system was. The "pro moves" are dumb and unoriginal, too; this will NOT be the first fighting game that lets you follow up a special move with an alternate with just a few taps of the controller during mid-animation, so it's hardly a "pro" move. And the graphics look worse than before; a lot more plastic-looking and way too generic and reminiscent of older costume styles for my liking. Clearly, the MK team are running out of ideas with these games...

The ONLY things that I remotely like is that the arenas look to be somewhat bigger and with more and varied interactive parts than MKD/MKA had, and that some of the more wanted classic moves/fatalities for MK are coming back (like Sonya's scissors kick and Scorpion's Toasty). Otherwise, this is as big a disappointment and a waste of time and money as MKA was; at least they had the good sense to wise up and cut it from being MK8, like they wanted it to be. That would've been the kiss of death for the game AND the franchise, right there, if they hadn't.


Seriously, what game have you been watching? They're still building on the freefall and klose kombat modes, and there will be specials for them, plus, it doesn't look as bad as Armageddon in that regard. It just needs some speed, which I'm sure, if it stays the same in E3, they'll be told. It may not be new for fighting games period, but its a nice little change of pace in MK for those with good timing. As for the graphics, you've clearly need trifocal glasses, or severe lassik, as it looks much better than Armageddon. As for simmilar costume styles to old games, they were going for iconic looks, hence that. The arena size and classic moves additions are a nice return. You've obviously got a bias that's making you more spiteful to the matter than open.
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07/13/2008 05:06 AM (UTC)
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What happened to revealing two more characters?...
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07/13/2008 07:22 AM (UTC)
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They did in the preview, not in the video, it was Liu Kang and Captain Marvel...but the podcast actually beat them to it...
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They did in the preview, not in the video, it was Liu Kang and Captain Marvel...but the podcast actually beat them to it...Ah! I thought we were actually going to see them...
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07/13/2008 07:29 AM (UTC)
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We've got E3 coming up, and Comic Con after that, so it won't be too long.
There are some things I like but the look of the moves, so clumsy and slow is really throwing me off.

Main things I'm liking now are that you can cancel in to specials and pro moves are interesting but not really necessary.

The close combat and falling combat look pretty bad IMO.

Hopefully they'll give cooler fighting stances and attacks. What they have now are most likely temporary animations. I hope because they look really stupid, like they don't know how to fight.

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07/13/2008 07:32 AM (UTC)
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I'm still back and forth on this game. It's looking okay, but not what it could be. Still looks shouldn't be everything in a game, it's gameplay that matters. So I know I'll rent it no matter what. We'll go from there whether it's a purchase. Though I'm certain even when the game comes out, no will still agree.

Fan 1: OMG this game RoxoRs!

Fan 2: Biggest piece of shit game I've played! Nothing's changed!

Just wait for it.
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I was curious if anyone noticed the tags when you watched the video....

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07/13/2008 04:19 PM (UTC)
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Hopefully they'll give cooler fighting stances and attacks. What they have now are most likely temporary animations. I hope because they look really stupid, like they don't know how to fight.


They sure as hell better. If you look closely, Batman and Scorpion have the exact same stance.
I noticed that when Scorpion is falling anf Flash is hitting him in the air, he doesn't have his mask, instead you can see his skull face (the one that appears in the Fatality scene).

Maybe it's just me...
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07/13/2008 05:11 PM (UTC)
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ThePredator151 Wrote:
mkflegend Wrote:
oracle Wrote:
ThePredator151 Wrote:
He's the kid that can turn into a "super" - "man" right?

I know he's basically another "Superman", but that's about it.
there totally different. he has to scream shazam first. but seriously they only share two powers.


Exactly ^ why do some people keep saying that? loltongue it's ok Pred I'm sure you're not aware of the character(he's not exactly that popular) initially I thought the same thing too 5 years ago, but read more about him and read a few comics or two with Cap and cartoons. He's very different indeed like Oracle was saying with the explanation.

He's also overall not quite as powerful as Supes is, almost but not quite equal.


Yea, I've only seen him in action the couple times he was in the JLU cartoon with my sons.

The way they depict him, is being like a careless, kind of ignorant kid in a "super" mans body. Him and Superman fought in the one episode, and he was surprisingly effective. He could fly, he was certainly a "brute-force" character like Superman, he could move really fast too...I think. Um..he could take alot of the damage Superman dealt in the cartoon as well. Only thing I think was notable that he didn't have, that Superman has, is the lazer vision. I'm not sure he can survive in outterspace either. But eh.

I've skimmed over his character description, and backstory once before, but honestly, I don't care for him. Seems like an excuse to make another(weaker) Superman character to me. To me, the shazam thing has that bad stigma of the Shaq movie associated with it too. But I guess that's unrelated.

The only thing really interesting about him though, is that he's really a kid. And even that doesn't act as a plus for MK.

Other than that, I don't care for him. I think there's supposed to be some movie in the works for him coming in the next year or so...But like I say, I couldn't care less about the character.

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I'd prefer that instead of the other thing...but then again, I'd prefer he wasn't a character in the game at all.


Yeah, I felt the same way initially lol. This little kid that looks up to Superman, wants to be like him but...isn't him. He is I can see as far as the "power brute Heroes go" a similar guy to Superman, but Marvel also has those two. Supes overall is more powerful but Cap can hold his own against him for a while anyway, like the cartoon showed once Superman got pissed Cap was done lol, that's another thing about Supes that a lot of people aren't that aware of. He's "often afraid to use his full power" because he doens't want to hurt anyone. He'll use it if he needs to.

But yeah some other examples of similar characters, powerwise

Galactus, SS or Sentry to Superman(blatant rip off)

Spider-Man/Venom

Hulk>She Hulk etc

Pretty much if one wanted to go nuts there's a lot of "similar like" characters for both DC and Marvel if you break it down. There's a quite a few lol.

But yeah, I'm not a "huge fan" of Cap Marvel either but I think he'll be pretty cool and play interesting Yeah, personally that Shaq movie was crap all together, he tried pulling what Jordan did with the Looney Tunes and failed horribly...not to mention his horrible acting but that's another case lol, why they took the "Shazam" from DC puzzles me to this day.
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SynjoDeonecros Wrote:
God, no. No,no,no, please god, STOP THIS FUCKING GAME!!!

I'm sorry, but this is turning into a bigger pile of shit than Armageddon ever was. Hell, it's TOO SIMILAR to Armageddon, is the problem; seeing normal and Freefall Kombat made me instantly think of how Armageddon's combat system played out, and we all know how THAT system was. The "pro moves" are dumb and unoriginal, too; this will NOT be the first fighting game that lets you follow up a special move with an alternate with just a few taps of the controller during mid-animation, so it's hardly a "pro" move. And the graphics look worse than before; a lot more plastic-looking and way too generic and reminiscent of older costume styles for my liking. Clearly, the MK team are running out of ideas with these games...

The ONLY things that I remotely like is that the arenas look to be somewhat bigger and with more and varied interactive parts than MKD/MKA had, and that some of the more wanted classic moves/fatalities for MK are coming back (like Sonya's scissors kick and Scorpion's Toasty). Otherwise, this is as big a disappointment and a waste of time and money as MKA was; at least they had the good sense to wise up and cut it from being MK8, like they wanted it to be. That would've been the kiss of death for the game AND the franchise, right there, if they hadn't.


Seriously, what game have you been watching? They're still building on the freefall and klose kombat modes, and there will be specials for them, plus, it doesn't look as bad as Armageddon in that regard. It just needs some speed, which I'm sure, if it stays the same in E3, they'll be told. It may not be new for fighting games period, but its a nice little change of pace in MK for those with good timing. As for the graphics, you've clearly need trifocal glasses, or severe lassik, as it looks much better than Armageddon. As for simmilar costume styles to old games, they were going for iconic looks, hence that. The arena size and classic moves additions are a nice return. You've obviously got a bias that's making you more spiteful to the matter than open.
Agreed, I also don't know what game some people are looking at...it's not out yet, thus nobody knows anything on "how it'll play" but so far it looks very good. That dude needs to stop being a hater...sleep @Bleed and Tiger, I'm not that concerned with the stances and remember the early builds for MKD/MKA where people had different styles, animations etc. I'm sure it'll change, but say they do look a like(a la oldschool MK) who cares lol, not that big of a deal if the gameplay is solid and better. My opinion. I too like the ability to cancel into moves, kind of reminds me of UMK3/MK2 also a little bit with certain moves, and the parries/counters are back you see in the GS trailer Superman countering Shang clearly. I think the klose kombat looks good honestly, the speed doesn't concern me that much. A real fight, people don't move nearly as fast as say MK4, SC or Tekken....to me that's too fast IMO. I prefer a slower steady speed honestly. Falling kombat looks cool to, I like the fact that you can parry in midair (unlike MKA's air kombat system) and that meter thing sounds rather interesting. Overall I'm hyped for this game, at first I wasn't sure with how the MK guys doing battle with DC guys would be, sound but I love what I see honestly. @Red Scorpio, no dude you weren't seeing things. The masks can come off totally in this game, real damage another cool, realistic thing in this game I like. The skull looks sick grin
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07/13/2008 05:22 PM (UTC)
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Interesting to see that Ed Boon is not evolving after all those years. He looks like a 5 years old kid to me now.

He could use all the power of Next gen to make something stunning with MK, but it looks that he use a babality in himself.

You all know that Boon will screw everything at the end of this game, like he did in the end of every last MK. This game will be generic.

You only need to look that MK Fighters dont mix with DC Fighters. Sonya slaping Superman? I would not be impressed with Lois Lane appear in that too.

I told you Midway, you must give up of this game since there is time to do it.

I wish good luck to all people that will enjoy with this thing. I am waiting for a true MK game...
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07/13/2008 05:46 PM (UTC)
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Interesting to see that Ed Boon is not evolving after all those years. He looks like a 5 years old kid to me now.

He could use all the power of Next gen to make something stunning with MK, but it looks that he use a babality in himself.

You all know that Boon will screw everything at the end of this game, like he did in the end of every last MK. This game will be generic.

You only need to look that MK Fighters dont mix with DC Fighters. Sonya slaping Superman? I would not be impressed with Lois Lane appear in that too.

I told you Midway, you must give up of this game since there is time to do it.

I wish good luck to all people that will enjoy with this thing. I am waiting for a true MK game...


I doubt that, but again we don't know since some of these theories are beyond pre-judgmental which isn't wise. Lois isn't a fighter, thus she won't be in there....

Why give up a sure seller? I don't hear anyones beef with "Vader in SC" because we all know that makes "perfect sense"..........
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07/13/2008 05:54 PM (UTC)
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Vader is also merely a guest character. It isn't a "crossover" with the SC games because namco is smart enough to know that people wouldn't want the whole game to be SC vs SW. Plus Namco isn't having to remove core elements of the game to have Vader and Yoda in SC4.

If Boon really wanted Batman in the game why not just do what SC did and instead of a full crossover, just a guest character. Hell just get permission for a character like Kratos from God of War and we can keep the M rating.
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07/13/2008 06:11 PM (UTC)
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Vader is also merely a guest character. It isn't a "crossover" with the SC games because namco is smart enough to know that people wouldn't want the whole game to be SC vs SW. Plus Namco isn't having to remove core elements of the game to have Vader and Yoda in SC4.

If Boon really wanted Batman in the game why not just do what SC did and instead of a full crossover, just a guest character. Hell just get permission for a character like Kratos from God of War and we can keep the M rating.



Actually, it is a crossover technically if you think abou tit....lots of rumors are going around saying SW will have 5 total characters in SC4 and there's at least 3 right now already...Vader, Yoda and the new apprentice...it's a crossover dude, when you have at least a few different guys from one series definitely a crossover. SC 2 was similar, but a little different that game was more "exclusive" with Link, Spawn and the Tekken dude but SC4 has at least 3 SW characters and counting...

Look at SSBB? Only one character or two from each series, it's a crossover obviously.

No point for Boon/Midway to have Batman and Superman as guests because there's actual story to it, another thing the SC series lacks in with "characters outside their universe" I'd like to personally hear an explanation when a game has crossover character in it and why honestly.

MK isn't removing anything either, so it's a T rating...not a big deal, it's still easily way darker then any other fighter out there right now and that's with the T rating, plus as I've said a few times on here already, Jerrod and some others. The first MK was T rated on home consoles.....

The MK series is reinvented, so there's your change among the other things graphics, gameplay etc, etc but with SC, it's the same engine more or less using SW characters as a gimmick to attract more people to the game.

Granted, Midway/DC are also banking on that idea partially to sell their game but at the same time like I said, it's reinvented, brand new......Namco is in denial and they're also adding "fatalities" now that kill you in one blow which the creator even admitted he was inspired by MK's fatalities and SF's super moves....

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07/13/2008 06:21 PM (UTC)
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Vader is also merely a guest character. It isn't a "crossover" with the SC games because namco is smart enough to know that people wouldn't want the whole game to be SC vs SW. Plus Namco isn't having to remove core elements of the game to have Vader and Yoda in SC4.

If Boon really wanted Batman in the game why not just do what SC did and instead of a full crossover, just a guest character. Hell just get permission for a character like Kratos from God of War and we can keep the M rating.


Theres absolutely no difference in in the "guest characters" in SC4 and the "Crossover" of MK Vs DCU, both feature characters that have no business fighting each other and both games are intended to capitalize on a much larger fanbase. Im more pissed about Vader in SC4 than I am in MK vs DCU because he's gonna be broken, theres no way around it..
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07/13/2008 06:36 PM (UTC)
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Joe-Von-Zombie Wrote:
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Vader is also merely a guest character. It isn't a "crossover" with the SC games because namco is smart enough to know that people wouldn't want the whole game to be SC vs SW. Plus Namco isn't having to remove core elements of the game to have Vader and Yoda in SC4.

If Boon really wanted Batman in the game why not just do what SC did and instead of a full crossover, just a guest character. Hell just get permission for a character like Kratos from God of War and we can keep the M rating.


Theres absolutely no difference in in the "guest characters" in SC4 and the "Crossover" of MK Vs DCU, both feature charracters that have no business fighting each other and both games are intended to capitalize on a much larger fanbase. I more pissed about Vader in SC4 than I am in MK vs DCU because he's gonna be broken, theres no way around it..


Looking at the vids, I must say I agree but I also feel that Yoda has strong potential to be very broken/too powerful as well, have you seen his vids dude? lol he's all over the place, tough to hit and for a little guy does way too much damage at least off the demo/early builds. I suppose just to be fair and the game not out yet I'll withhold my view on that fully, but I don't see him being toned down that much more if they're banking on both characters to help sell their game, as you said the larger fanbase of both series.
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07/13/2008 07:01 PM (UTC)
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mkflegend Wrote:
Deathbearer Wrote:
Vader is also merely a guest character. It isn't a "crossover" with the SC games because namco is smart enough to know that people wouldn't want the whole game to be SC vs SW. Plus Namco isn't having to remove core elements of the game to have Vader and Yoda in SC4.

If Boon really wanted Batman in the game why not just do what SC did and instead of a full crossover, just a guest character. Hell just get permission for a character like Kratos from God of War and we can keep the M rating.



Actually, it is a crossover....lots of rumors are going around saying SW will have 5 total characters in SC4 and there's at least 3 right now already...Vader, Yoda and the new apprentice...it's a crossover dude, when you have at least a few different guys from one series definitely a crossover.

Look at SSBB? Only one character or two from each series, it's a crossover obviously.

No point for Boon/Midway to have Batman and Superman as guests because there's actual story to it, another thing the SC series lacks in with "characters outside their universe" I'd like to personally hear an explanation when a game has crossover character in it and why honestly.

MK isn't removing anything either, so it's a T rating...not a big deal, it's still easily way darker then any other fighter out there right now and that's with the T rating, plus as I've said a few times on here already, Jerrod and some others. The first MK was T rated on home consoles.....

The MK series is reinvented, so there's your change among the other things graphics, gameplay etc, etc but with SC, it's the same engine more or less using SW characters as a gimmick to attract more people to the game.

Granted, Midway/DC are also banking on that idea partially to sell their game but at the same time like I said, it's reinvented, brand new......Namco is in denial and they're also adding "fatalities" now that kill you in one blow which the creator even admitted he was inspired by MK's fatalities and SF's super moves....


It isn't a crossover unless the characters from SW play an important roll to the storyline. Remember how they had Spawn and Link guest star, but they weren't important at all? If it's more like that then yeah it isn't a real crossover. of course SSBB is a crossover, it's all of nintendo's big characters. I don't see why you'd even bother bringing it up.

The gameplay for MK vs DC looks okay but until we actually play it we can't say if it's good or bad, let alone reinvented. At least the SC engine works for it's characters. So far MK vs DC isn't using the Unreal 3 engine to it's full potential, trust me I have UT3 I know what I'm talking about. MK vs DC looks pretty good but not good enough to be truely using the U3 engine.
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