Give the new guys a chance.
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posted04/03/2004 06:56 PM (UTC)by
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MoodyShooter
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10/03/2003 08:04 PM (UTC)
One thing that has always bugged me about the release of a new MK game is that almost everyone hates the majority of the new characters when the game comes out. Nobody is willing to give them a chance.

This happened with MK:DA in particular. There were a lot of very cool new characters but most people just overlooked them saying "oh she sucks, she wears purple and has sais and even though she looks nothing like Mileena and has nothing to do with her she MUST be a rip-off!" or "oh no! a female Sub Zero! BOO!" or even "dude! this guys is annoying he's got flies all over the place and he has no combos! HE SUCKS!"

And guess what? When people finally started to play and use the new characters they grew to like them. They had a lot to offer in the way of moves, fighting styles, and stories but everybody just overlooked them because they took up space that could have been used for another ninja.

What I'm getting at is when the game comes out don't do this to the new characters you see. Give them a real chance before you banish them into the territory of "these guys suck."
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MetadragonX
03/28/2004 07:50 PM (UTC)
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I always look forward to having new characters. It makes the game feel fresh. Jus having the same damn characters over and over is just plain boring. New blood is always welcome, IMO. Im really excited to see the remaining 6 new characters. As for MKDA, I liked all the new characters, from Li Mei to Hsu Hao. The only thing they lacked was a sufficient set of special attacks. Anyway, im syked MKD is gonna have 8 new characters. Its just another reason why I cant wait for its release.......
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03/28/2004 08:04 PM (UTC)
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I'm looking forward to using the new characters in MKD. I didn't like all the new characters in MKD. Hsu Hao I don't like, but he was a good character to use. Li Mei I didn't like at all, even after trying her out. Drahmin was awful. Frost I don't see as a Sub ripoff. IMO she was better than he was! Everyone has a different opinion, and most won't change regardless of trying out the character.

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03/28/2004 08:10 PM (UTC)
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See though, you gave the characters a chance before you decided you didn't like them. That's what I'm asking people to do because it makes your reasons for not liking a character more reasonable. grin And for that I salute you lol.

Most people don't even do that though, they see a new character that they don't find appealing at first and just immediately say "they suck".

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symbioticdragon
03/28/2004 08:24 PM (UTC)
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I agree with the poster of this discussion.I will be the man with the ballz to say I hated drahmin because it gave me heck to fight with him,that would be the only reason I didn't like him.Lie Mei,she seemed to generic-just another big breasted statistic.The rest were great and I cant wait to see the new one for deception.
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azazis
03/28/2004 08:43 PM (UTC)
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"boo! Kung Lao's hat is GAY!"
"boo! Sindels hair is GAY!"
"boo! Reiko's uniform is GAY!"
"boo! Fujin's ponytail is GAY!"
"boo! Frosts weapons are GAY!"

Heh. I have heared that stuff a LOT since MK2 till know. Funny thing is. They'll be begging for the same characters after 1 or 2 MK's
*shrugs* Don't know what worse. Battle net kiddies or MK kiddies
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03/28/2004 09:06 PM (UTC)
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I never had a problem with the new characters, as long as they were good.
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Shang_heihachi
03/28/2004 09:16 PM (UTC)
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You bring up the exact reasons WHY everyone hated the charactes in MKDA, when you're telling us not to hate them.

Drahmin, for example...cool design, great concept...but a waste of time. He had no combos, no different moves...all 3 of his styles were completely identical. He was a straight up button masher character.

Li Mei...she was just a filler character. Put her in purple, give her sais...and you don't expect people to want Mileena back instead of having Li Mei? Li Mei was too DOA-ized...granted i'm not one to complain about cleavage, even if it is fake polygons, but her story was just lame. And her moves...come on...what was with the flying punch frenzy? That was one of the most ridiculous moves in the entire game.

Frost...people just didn't like the idea of a clone of an existing character whose only difference is being female. I, for one, liked Frost...if they develop her story a bit more and take it where I think its probably going to go (Sub-Zero's sister), then she's fine.

The problem with new characters is that their stories are often weak...Li Mei being a prime example of that. Characters need a good story to hook you. That's why in almost ANY MK game where there is a bunch of new characters, people hate the new characters because they just can't identify with them...or in cases like DRahmin, they just suck gameplay wise.

It isn't that people aren't giving them a chance...they had their chance, and people made their decision based off their play experience with them. Watch how everyone's opinion of these 'hated' characters changes when half of them aren't even in the next game.
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MKKitana
03/28/2004 09:18 PM (UTC)
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Im all for new characters. I just think that most of the new characters in Deadly Alliance has weak stories. Ok they were relevant to the game, but weak in terms or possibility to return. But I always like havin new fighters. Having the same ones over and over gets boring. I mean people are now sick of Jax, Cage, Rayden and Sonya now so new blood is always welcome.
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03/28/2004 09:27 PM (UTC)
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MKKitana Wrote:
Im all for new characters. I just think that most of the new characters in Deadly Alliance has weak stories. Ok they were relevant to the game, but weak in terms or possibility to return. But I always like havin new fighters. Having the same ones over and over gets boring. I mean people are now sick of Jax, Cage, Rayden and Sonya now so new blood is always welcome.



EXACTLY. I'd rathed see new characters than to see half the old roster, since alot of the old roster is just completely played out. Sonya I never want to see again...JAx and Cage, even though I like them, have had their time...Raiden I always like and would definitely want him to come back, but change is welcome.
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SETI1
03/28/2004 09:35 PM (UTC)
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Well at first i think i would not like the new characters after the wrong ones at MK:DA, but i think the new ones will rock(I hope).

My opinion on the new characters:
Mavado - He was allright but lack of special moves, fatality sucks, a so and so story and worst of all Kabal is back and i don't like too see two too much alike aharacters

Drahmin - Great Concept but has allmost one stance, sucking, story needs development and much, much more

Kenshi - One of the Best addiction in the MK Series. Like is moves and story needs to be more consistent

Hsu Hao - Remaind me a bad filling character, in a great disporpotion within his body and the other characters body. I think he was a casting error

Li Mei - She's Mileena with a new Face and nothing special, she had to be gone. Very bad line story.

Frost - Sorry but, for me, she was one of the worst installments of MK. I hope she freezes for good.

Bo Rai Cho - He is ok. His story has consistency and the new role in MK:D will fit him like a glove. Not playable. I think he was a Virtua Fighter(I don't remember the name) "addition".

But I have the hope the new additions in MK will rock.
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OmegaSupreme
03/29/2004 02:20 AM (UTC)
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Not that people don't give new characters a chance, they just often feel that the new characters come at the *expense* of old favorites. When you percieve a fighting game as having only so many 'character slots,' and your favorite(s) don't make it in, you naturally gravitate towards the new faces as 'crowding out' past ones.

All in all, as long as Mileena, Kitana, and Sindel are in Deception, I'll be bonkers for it.
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DRFATALITY
03/29/2004 02:32 AM (UTC)
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I like to see new charcters it gives the game a better feeling.

Drahmin:At first I thought Drahmin was really bad and a waste of time.Untill I started playing as him and learning his juggle combos.After you do that Drahmin is unstoppable even though he only has a few moves.

Li Mei:I didnt really care for Li Mei but I think that's mostly due to not using her that much.

Mavado:I thought Mavado was cool he isnt as bad as alot of people say.Im still trying to learn how to use him.He should come back in MKD.His 2nd costume was excellent.

Hsu Hao:I never learned how to use him but my cousin always owns me with him.Thanks to Hsu Hao's powerful throw moves.
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ScorpionKing2003
03/29/2004 02:55 AM (UTC)
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it still amazes me how people still continue bash the new characters. mortal kombat needs new characters to keep the storyline fresh and keep the series from being repetitive.they need to expand on both (old,kabal,baraka,mileena,jade etc) and (new, nitara,frost,drahmin,li mei). i think people here are too spoiled since alot of the old characters are coming back and wanting more of the old and not giving the new characters a chance. example i notice alot people are saying Ashrah is boring. how can Ashrah be boring if you havent even played her in the game yet lone enough play the game yet, just another attempt to bash a new character they no nothing about or played the new character. i say bring back the new characters and let them have there chance of being a regular instead of being a one hit wonder like shinnok or kai.
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03/29/2004 05:41 AM (UTC)
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like someone said a couple of threads ago new characters sometimes take the place of old characters

e.g: mkd 8 new characters? if 24 was going to be the roster they should have used it for mkda characters i think anyway

but heres ny 2 cents on the new characters from mkda

frost: i liked her the combos in the gba version were really good easy to execute

drahmin: fly ridden heihatchi? what were midway thinking

mavado: i didnt mind him he was only ok i still think they should have given him more unique mooves though

kenshi: my friend loves kenshi for some reason, i dont mind him his ok to

nitara: shit character i think she is a female ripp-off of reptile

li mei: mileena? i heard mileena was going to be in mkda before it came out but i guess they changed there mind

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TheDarkPrince
03/29/2004 07:54 AM (UTC)
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I think everybody is for new character and all,but let's face it MK's new fighters have been a bit weak the last two games.

MK4
Tanya cool concept and all but only ok.

Quan Chi cool addition cool fatality good look a keeper!

Reiko cool projectile moves, look kinda weak,and story gets confused(Shao Khan)

Jerek Kano ripoff all the way,should have just added Kano instead.

Kai good look weak moves weak story but has some promise Fujin look was ok, cool moves good story,he has a lot of promise
Shinnok(sp?)Look sucked,moves sucked good story however

MKDA

Kenshi cool concept good look a little bit of an Ermac ripoff but still a solid new fighter

Bo Rai Cho look is weak fighting, styles are ok but seems a bit silly for MK

Drahmin love his look and story,needed a few combos and fatality sucked but has promise

Frost good fighting styles cool weapons(no pun intended)ok story,soild new fighter need to be fleshed out more

Hso Hao everything but his weapons and fatality suck... A LOT!And what's up with that hat?

Li Mei good look solid fighting style sai's were a bit weak however,weak story, needs some work to flesh her out.

Mavado I love his look(can you say bad ass)Good fighting style,weak story and finishing move,and he fights using big ass rubber bands...WHATSUPWITHAT!!

Nitara look is kinda plain which is a MK no no,cool weapons solid style good story,weak fatality,her look needs to be overhauled and what's up with the wings, they seem out of place on her.

Moloch weakest MK boss of all time.

These are just my thoughts however I don't speak for anyone but me.But Mk recent fighters have had a lot of so so fighter,some good ones and some that sucked big time.I hope Boon has learned from those and will not have any lame ass characters in MKD.grin

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ScorpionKing2003
03/29/2004 08:18 AM (UTC)
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SNAKE_EATER Wrote:
like someone said a couple of threads ago new characters sometimes take the place of old characters

e.g: mkd 8 new characters? if 24 was going to be the roster they should have used it for mkda characters i think anyway

but heres ny 2 cents on the new characters from mkda

frost: i liked her the combos in the gba version were really good easy to execute

drahmin: fly ridden heihatchi? what were midway thinking

mavado: i didnt mind him he was only ok i still think they should have given him more unique mooves though

kenshi: my friend loves kenshi for some reason, i dont mind him his ok to

nitara: shit character i think she is a female ripp-off of reptile

li mei: mileena? i heard mileena was going to be in mkda before it came out but i guess they changed there mind



SNAKE_EATER explain to me how can nitara be a ripoff of reptile she is no where close of being a rip off of reptile confused and besides she's an excellent character and best ones in a while. i guess people dont want accept new characters. let's put it this way, mk either get fresher faces in the series or the series will stop at mk deception. like it or not mk deception needs newer characters in the series, they should expand on the current storylines of the current mk characters that were introduce to the series and not make them one hit wonders. and another thing further they need to stop adding more characters to the series but there main focus should on the current new characters.but if there going add more new characters they should also take out or kill off a old mk character and make room for new ones. if not just focus of the new characters instead of adding new ones.
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03/29/2004 11:05 AM (UTC)
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MK4
Fujin kick ass loved him one of my fav's from that game. Good moves and good story

Tanya was a filler. I liked the boomerang though gave it a lil bit of us Aussies.

Quan Chi great special moves, great story and the leg beater fatality. Best newbie from MK4.

Jarek, Kano is better and the original.

Shinnok one of the worst Characters in MK4

Reiko he never interested me.

MK:DA

Frost was fun to fight with when you get over her being a alomost carbon copy of SubZero.

Lei Mei never really caught my interest & looked like a character from DOA.

Kenshi best new MK:DA character by far good story good moves and styles.

Bo Rai Cho funny the first few times then he went downhill fast.

Hsu Hau HORRIBLE

Drahmin good story nice idea but where were the combos.

Moloch crappy

When I got this game I expected MK3 and MK4 sharacters to be running the show I was sadly wrong. So at first I wouldn't play as the new characters as they had taken up space that could have been filled with my fav's. Eventually I played as the newbies. A few I liked a few I didn't.

As for MKD I'm giving the newbies a chance but they better not got stupid eg Zebron

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red_dragon
03/29/2004 12:54 PM (UTC)
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I totally agree about giving the new characters a chance. Try them out and give them time before writing them off as "crap". To be honest, most of the MK4 bunch seemed like cheap clones of old favourites. Most of the MKDA newcomers were cool, or at least alright.

Mavado and Nitara- Two of my favourite characters in the series. I hope to see these two more often. Mavado at least seems almost certain.

Li Mei- Didn't like her when I first saw her. But I found her really easy and fun to play as.

Kenshi- The most popular of the newbies. I personally find him the most overrated character.

Frost- It would have been better to give her original moves. But she has a really cool look, and lots of potential.

Drahmin- Not everyone's gonna like this guy. I see him as the "experts only" choice in MKDA.

Bo Rai Cho- The "humour" side of him gets boring quickly. But he's far tougher than he gets credit for.

Hsu Hao- One game space filler. How he got in over some of the unused designs is beyond me.

Moloch- Far better than Motaro, but not in Goro and Kintaro's league as a sub boss.

Blaze- He and Mocrap were kinda last minute. I'd be interested to see him back reworked though.

Mokap- Funny for 30 seconds. Then just pointless.
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03/31/2004 09:49 PM (UTC)
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The_Truth Wrote:
See though, you gave the characters a chance before you decided you didn't like them. That's what I'm asking people to do because it makes your reasons for not liking a character more reasonable.


I totally agree. Some of my favorites from MKDA like Mavado i am worried because most people didn't like him. They said he was a cheap rip off of Kabal because he had hookswords(even though everything else about Mavado is totally different).

But yes, most people are too stubborn to try someone new. Its funny how when mk2 was coming out, most people said scorpion sucked. And how Ironic he is one of the most popular characters in the game.

But every new character has potential and should be given a chance.
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04/01/2004 12:43 AM (UTC)
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dont get me wrong new characters are awesome but to replace the old ones hm...... i dont know
I'm totally all for a slew of new characters..

MK has been around for a long time.. it's allowed to do this. wink
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Sub_Zeros_Bane
04/01/2004 01:46 AM (UTC)
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i'm all for the new characters... as long as we still have the classics around.
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cartmansp
04/01/2004 02:31 AM (UTC)
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There is no MK character that I hate.It's just a matter if how good I am with them.I'm terrible with Hsu Hao,but I'm the master with Frost and Sub-Zero.I would really like to see Frost in MK:D but even if she isn't included I've still got Subbygrin
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MikeD1980
04/01/2004 11:54 PM (UTC)
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adding new characters is good but i think overdoing it is bad. i think you need to keep a set cast and build around them. when i played DA i still prefered to use all of the old school
MK characters in DA...Cage,Scorpion,Sub Zero, etc. the only time i can remember solid new characters were those in MK2 and 3. the ones in 4 and DA were not that impressive.
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