if kang comes back
if kang comes back
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posted03/28/2008 12:11 PM (UTC)byMember Since
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I think they should model him after the mk2 kang/actor , they should motion capture his moves n flips... what u think? in mk3 he looked weak and old the mk2 dude was a better kang


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I'd love that and I agree, the MKII actor Ho Sung Pak was better than the guy who did MK3 (Eddie Wong). Unfortunately not too many people like Liu Kang, but I think he's one of the best. His dragon fatality is also superb amongst most of the other fatalities in MK history.
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Good idea! I for one only liked Liu Kang in MK 2. I wasn't a fan of his in any of the other MK games. If they do bring him back, he should return to his MK2 look but in 3-D. For his specials, he could have the dragon (looking)fireballs, flying kick, bike kick. For new specials, Fatal Uppercut (former fatality from MK 1 & 2), dragon claw- his arm/hand turns into a dragon claw, then reaches out and claws his foe. For fatalities, let's see..............
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Sub_ZER0 Wrote:
I liked Liu, but I don't think he should be the central character of the series, I think it should be Sub & Scorpion (Which seems to be the direction of the game) kinda like Ryu & Ken in Street Fighter
I liked Liu, but I don't think he should be the central character of the series, I think it should be Sub & Scorpion (Which seems to be the direction of the game) kinda like Ryu & Ken in Street Fighter
Considering Scorpion's story and character, that's highly doubtful. And despite Sub-Zero having his own sub-plot and all, being the central character in the main games hasn't happened yet.
As for Liu Kang, I'd rather not have him return. He's been around for too long now, and bringing him back again would be a mistake, imo. If he does return, modeling him after Ho Sung Pak would be kind of cool, I guess. But still, he'd need a make over in terms of his costumes and other things.
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His MK1 & 2 costumes, or a true Monk costume. Refer to VF5's Lei-Fei's costumes for an idea.


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if liu kang just turned into a fucking dragon before the fight he could have just ate everyone


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Liu Kang was a great MK character. I loved his MKII look.
But I feel that they should let him rest in peace already since MKDA.
But I feel that they should let him rest in peace already since MKDA.


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Aquarius_D Wrote:
Liu Kang was a great MK character. I loved his MKII look.
But I feel that they should let him rest in peace already since MKDA.
Liu Kang was a great MK character. I loved his MKII look.
But I feel that they should let him rest in peace already since MKDA.
I agree. They've been dragging him out for too long.
Well Liu Kang was the the original protagonist, he was Mortal Kombat...no matter how "cool" sub zero looks or how "on fire" scorpion is...(like my awful puns there??) that doesn't change the fact that Liu Kang WAS Mortal Kombat. Should he return he needs to be non-zombie and I think his costumes from MKII and MK3 were both good costumes, it is how he looks...
I've always liked Liu Kang and i think it'd be great if he returned somehow.
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I've always liked Liu Kang and i think it'd be great if he returned somehow.
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Sub and Scorp are popular but neither fit the protagonist role of MK... Ho Sung Pak is a GREAT martial artist they should definitely capture his moves for kang because hell HE IS KANG!
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DigitalAssassin Wrote:
Sub and Scorp are popular but neither fit the protagonist role of MK...
Sub and Scorp are popular but neither fit the protagonist role of MK...
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree here. Liu Kang may have been the "main hero" but he was a piss poor protagonist. Poorly developed, very little motivation, less internal conflict, undynamic relationships to other characters, and overall just a very plain cookie-cutter character.
Sub-Zero's grown as a character. We've watched him progress and develope over the course of the series. While he may not be the "main hero".....yet.....he is a much better protagonist than Liu Kang ever was.
Scorpion could've been a good protagonist, but they botched him horribly.
As for the topic, if they were to bring Liu Kang back....then sure, model him after Ho Sung Pak.
If he comes back, I agree, it should be like MK2 Liu. What about MK4 Liu? He was still better than MK3 Liu.
Either way, the dead should stay dead. No more zombies, or ressurections, or like how baraka had "stitches" in MKG.
There should be some kind of Hell Guardian too, that seeks out those who escape the Netherealm and prevents others from escaping in the future! Maybe a good idea for a Scorpion storyline?
Either way, the dead should stay dead. No more zombies, or ressurections, or like how baraka had "stitches" in MKG.
There should be some kind of Hell Guardian too, that seeks out those who escape the Netherealm and prevents others from escaping in the future! Maybe a good idea for a Scorpion storyline?
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I would rather not see Liu Kang come back. They went basically nowhere with Kang after the second MK game IMO, and that every game after that, they just made him into a nobody. I think Sub-Zero should be the main character for the next game. He has the qualities to be a main character, not to mention that he's one of a few characters that haven't been totally destroyed in storyline. Apperance, maybe, ditch the Shredder look and then we'll say different, but othr than that, Kang shouldn't come back. He's dead, I hated that they actually revised him as a zombie and STILL did nothing to help his character out in Deception, therefore, Kang should remain dead.
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If Kang comes back, I'm going to rip off my nuts and shove them in my CD drive.
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XiahouDun84 Wrote:
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree here. Liu Kang may have been the "main hero" but he was a piss poor protagonist. Poorly developed, very little motivation, less internal conflict, undynamic relationships to other characters, and overall just a very plain cookie-cutter character.
Sub-Zero's grown as a character. We've watched him progress and develope over the course of the series. While he may not be the "main hero".....yet.....he is a much better protagonist than Liu Kang ever was.
Scorpion could've been a good protagonist, but they botched him horribly.
As for the topic, if they were to bring Liu Kang back....then sure, model him after Ho Sung Pak.
DigitalAssassin Wrote:
Sub and Scorp are popular but neither fit the protagonist role of MK...
Sub and Scorp are popular but neither fit the protagonist role of MK...
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree here. Liu Kang may have been the "main hero" but he was a piss poor protagonist. Poorly developed, very little motivation, less internal conflict, undynamic relationships to other characters, and overall just a very plain cookie-cutter character.
Sub-Zero's grown as a character. We've watched him progress and develope over the course of the series. While he may not be the "main hero".....yet.....he is a much better protagonist than Liu Kang ever was.
Scorpion could've been a good protagonist, but they botched him horribly.
As for the topic, if they were to bring Liu Kang back....then sure, model him after Ho Sung Pak.
Gameplay trumps storyline. Liu Kang is not only a staple of MK but he is also a solid, well-built powerhouse of a character, or at least he was back when Midway knew how to make video games.
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btw, he was best in MK3
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TrueNoob Wrote:
Gameplay trumps storyline.
Gameplay trumps storyline.
True...but I don't see what that has to do with deciding who the "main hero" of the story is.
I also would have to balk on Liu Kang being a staple of anything.
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XiahouDun84 Wrote:
True...but I don't see what that has to do with deciding who the "main hero" of the story is.
I also would have to balk on Liu Kang being a staple of anything.
TrueNoob Wrote:
Gameplay trumps storyline.
Gameplay trumps storyline.
True...but I don't see what that has to do with deciding who the "main hero" of the story is.
I also would have to balk on Liu Kang being a staple of anything.
Why do you think they have left Liu Kang virtually unchanged throughout the whole series? He is the dominant hero. They tried to kill him off in DA and couldn't even make that stick. You gotta stick with the winning formula, man. True, some of MK's greatest characters, in terms of gameplay and character design have been fucked over by mediocre, bullshit storylines, but that's no reason to off a perfectly good character. You might as well tell the Tekken people that Jin has been around too long, get rid of him. If Liu and Scorpion are beyond hope, than MK is beyond hope. If they're going to wipe the slate completely clean, than they might as well start a new franchise, because part of what made MK great was the characters. I'm not saying they can't pull off a game with all new characters but they had better start smoking some new shit because they've really been dropping the creative ball on the last 3 titles.
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TrueNoob Wrote:
Why do you think they have left Liu Kang virtually unchanged throughout the whole series? He is the dominant hero.
Why do you think they have left Liu Kang virtually unchanged throughout the whole series? He is the dominant hero.
That's not a good thing.
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They tried to kill him off in DA and couldn't even make that stick. You gotta stick with the winning formula, man. True, some of MK's greatest characters, in terms of gameplay and character design have been fucked over by mediocre, bullshit storylines, but that's no reason to off a perfectly good character. If Liu and Scorpion are beyond hope, than MK is beyond hope. If they're going to wipe the slate completely clean, than they might as well start a new franchise, because part of what made MK great was the characters. I'm not saying they can't pull off a game with all new characters but they had better start smoking some new shit because they've really been dropping the creative ball on the last 3 titles.
They tried to kill him off in DA and couldn't even make that stick. You gotta stick with the winning formula, man. True, some of MK's greatest characters, in terms of gameplay and character design have been fucked over by mediocre, bullshit storylines, but that's no reason to off a perfectly good character. If Liu and Scorpion are beyond hope, than MK is beyond hope. If they're going to wipe the slate completely clean, than they might as well start a new franchise, because part of what made MK great was the characters. I'm not saying they can't pull off a game with all new characters but they had better start smoking some new shit because they've really been dropping the creative ball on the last 3 titles.
They should've made it stick. Offing Liu Kang was one of the best moves they've made in recent years. Bringing him back....one of the worst.
Now I'm not saying they should get rid of all old pre-MK4 characters. I do think they should keep some of the ones that stand out, managed to stay somewhat fresh (or at least, not as stale), still have something to offer, are relatively unique, and define Mortal Kombat.
Sub-Zero does this. I also count Raiden, Kitana, Mileena, maybe Reptile and possibly a small handful of others as well. And as much of a trainwreck they've made of Scorpion's storyline and character...and as much as they've killed him in my eyes...he at least fulfills other qualities.
But Liu Kang..? Absolutely not.
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if he does come back i wanna see one of his costumes his mk4 alternate because that was the shit
but i want him DEAD
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but i want him DEAD
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XiahouDun84 Wrote:
That's not a good thing.
They should've made it stick. Offing Liu Kang was one of the best moves they've made in recent years. Bringing him back....one of the worst.
Now I'm not saying they should get rid of all old pre-MK4 characters. I do think they should keep some of the ones that stand out, managed to stay somewhat fresh (or at least, not as stale), still have something to offer, are relatively unique, and define Mortal Kombat.
Sub-Zero does this. I also count Raiden, Kitana, Mileena, maybe Reptile and possibly a small handful of others as well. And as much of a trainwreck they've made of Scorpion's storyline and character...and as much as they've killed him in my eyes...he at least fulfills other qualities.
But Liu Kang..? Absolutely not.
TrueNoob Wrote:
Why do you think they have left Liu Kang virtually unchanged throughout the whole series? He is the dominant hero.
Why do you think they have left Liu Kang virtually unchanged throughout the whole series? He is the dominant hero.
That's not a good thing.
TrueNoob Wrote:
They tried to kill him off in DA and couldn't even make that stick. You gotta stick with the winning formula, man. True, some of MK's greatest characters, in terms of gameplay and character design have been fucked over by mediocre, bullshit storylines, but that's no reason to off a perfectly good character. If Liu and Scorpion are beyond hope, than MK is beyond hope. If they're going to wipe the slate completely clean, than they might as well start a new franchise, because part of what made MK great was the characters. I'm not saying they can't pull off a game with all new characters but they had better start smoking some new shit because they've really been dropping the creative ball on the last 3 titles.
They tried to kill him off in DA and couldn't even make that stick. You gotta stick with the winning formula, man. True, some of MK's greatest characters, in terms of gameplay and character design have been fucked over by mediocre, bullshit storylines, but that's no reason to off a perfectly good character. If Liu and Scorpion are beyond hope, than MK is beyond hope. If they're going to wipe the slate completely clean, than they might as well start a new franchise, because part of what made MK great was the characters. I'm not saying they can't pull off a game with all new characters but they had better start smoking some new shit because they've really been dropping the creative ball on the last 3 titles.
They should've made it stick. Offing Liu Kang was one of the best moves they've made in recent years. Bringing him back....one of the worst.
Now I'm not saying they should get rid of all old pre-MK4 characters. I do think they should keep some of the ones that stand out, managed to stay somewhat fresh (or at least, not as stale), still have something to offer, are relatively unique, and define Mortal Kombat.
Sub-Zero does this. I also count Raiden, Kitana, Mileena, maybe Reptile and possibly a small handful of others as well. And as much of a trainwreck they've made of Scorpion's storyline and character...and as much as they've killed him in my eyes...he at least fulfills other qualities.
But Liu Kang..? Absolutely not.
You don't seem to have anything to back up your anti Liu Kang argument other than story issues. Like I said, story comes second to gameplay, and as far as gameplay goes, Liu kang always kicked ass during the Tobias era. Like it or not, Liu IS a staple of MK, or at least was when MK was worth two beans and I'm sure there are a lot of people who would agree with me.


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^ I for one don't agree.
Liu Kang is totally not needed. Having a character around for gameplay reasons is fine but you need a reason for them to be playable unless you want them as an extra like Ein is in DOA. In terms of storylines Liu Kang is better off dead. His death had meaning and bringing him back in such a cheesy and stupid way as they did in Deception is just that - cheesy and stupid.
If you can't make a compelling reason to keep a character around then they don't need to be around.
Liu Kang is totally not needed. Having a character around for gameplay reasons is fine but you need a reason for them to be playable unless you want them as an extra like Ein is in DOA. In terms of storylines Liu Kang is better off dead. His death had meaning and bringing him back in such a cheesy and stupid way as they did in Deception is just that - cheesy and stupid.
If you can't make a compelling reason to keep a character around then they don't need to be around.
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You're not really offering any arguement other than Liu Kang is a staple...which I don't agree at all. And that's not evena good reason in itself. Liu Kang should come back because he's old? When I say Liu Kang is stale and not worth keeping, I'm talking overall. Not just story. He is so not necessary. And while I know he has his fans....from what I've seen, more people want him gone than to come back.
How was Liu Kang's gameplay so much better than it is now? He's always had the same damn moves. Even if you ignore the story, Liu Kang still is a mediorce character at best. The only that's even been good about him is that he's easy to use...which the MK team said they did on purpose. They wanted him to be a beginners' character that anyone could use no problem. Personally, I never used him. I thought he was cheap and boring. He does a glorified jumping kick, a bicycle kick, and shoots fireballs. Whee. With the exception of his dragon fatalities, his finishers have been garbage. His design is nothing to shout about. He's just another Bruce Lee homage....who's looked the same in just about every game he's been in, by the way.
Besides, the gameplay engine is supposedly going to be completely revamped for MK8. Who knows how the characters will play. So why should I want Liu Kang back for gameplay reasons when I don't even know how the overall engine is going to be?
But okay, let's say they create this fantastic top-tier fighting style that will be real fun and good to use. Why does it have to be Liu Kang's? Why not give it to a new character...who could have better special moves, an interesting design, and a decent story?
I see no reason for Liu Kang to come back.
How was Liu Kang's gameplay so much better than it is now? He's always had the same damn moves. Even if you ignore the story, Liu Kang still is a mediorce character at best. The only that's even been good about him is that he's easy to use...which the MK team said they did on purpose. They wanted him to be a beginners' character that anyone could use no problem. Personally, I never used him. I thought he was cheap and boring. He does a glorified jumping kick, a bicycle kick, and shoots fireballs. Whee. With the exception of his dragon fatalities, his finishers have been garbage. His design is nothing to shout about. He's just another Bruce Lee homage....who's looked the same in just about every game he's been in, by the way.
Besides, the gameplay engine is supposedly going to be completely revamped for MK8. Who knows how the characters will play. So why should I want Liu Kang back for gameplay reasons when I don't even know how the overall engine is going to be?
But okay, let's say they create this fantastic top-tier fighting style that will be real fun and good to use. Why does it have to be Liu Kang's? Why not give it to a new character...who could have better special moves, an interesting design, and a decent story?
I see no reason for Liu Kang to come back.


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I like Liu Kang, but he should definitely stay dead (and no not continue fighting as the zombie). One of the best things they could do in terms of starting afresh is making sure that guy isn't poking his head in.
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