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If Shang Returned....A new take on his Morphing ability:
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posted07/13/2004 10:45 PM (UTC)by
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*First* If this has been brought up a while back, I apologize and was not aware of it. That being said:

Ok, so when Shang kills warriors in battle, and takes their soul, that adds their power and skill to his own right? And enables him to morph into said warrior.

So, if he were to return with Morphing ability intact...What if he can only turn into warriors that you've performed the Soul Steal fatality on (won't work with whatever his second fatality will be, only the Soul Steal)? This new game is gonna have a lot of characters..so when you play arcade mode the character ladder will likely be a long one (unless they plan on bringing back "Choose your Destiny") So your playing as Tsung and you've fought 5 people already: Let's say Mileena, Kabal, Sub, Scorp, and Nightwolf. However, you've only successfully performed fatalities on three of them..now Shang can morph, but only into the three that he successfully killed and took their soul. The same would work for versus mode..as long as the system isn't reset or the two players haven't quit to another mode...Shang can turn into the characters that each player has killed. What do you think?


*Edit* I'd like to update with an idea that secondgen had, once you've successfully pulled of the soul steal fatality on warriors and gain the ability to morph, said morph becomes saved to your profile. Thanks for the great idea secondgen.
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 •07/11/2004 11:54 PM (UTC) •
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Makes sense to me. I'd go for it.

I am still half expecting this Ghost/Zhombie Liu Kang to be revealed as Shang Tsung in a morphed state (the biggest deception of all in MK Deception).
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 •07/11/2004 11:55 PM (UTC) •
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Well, that's an original idea. I like this a lot. Let's say that when you first buy the game Shang has no morphs, but as you perform the soul steal on more and more people, all the morphs that Shang gains are saved to your profile on your memory card. That could lead to some pretty diverse online or 2-player matches when one person has a character profile of Shang Tsung who is fully or nearly complete playing against someone else who has a Shang Tsung who is just getting started.
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 •07/11/2004 11:58 PM (UTC) •
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secondgen Wrote:
Well, that's an original idea. I like this a lot. Let's say that when you first buy the game Shang has no morphs, but as you perform the soul steal on more and more people, all the morphs that Shang gains are saved to your profile on your memory card. That could lead to some pretty diverse online or 2-player matches when one person has a character profile of Shang Tsung who is fully or nearly complete playing against someone else who has a Shang Tsung who is just getting started.


I like that even more! Great idea!

sumixam: That is a very likely possibility.
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 •07/11/2004 11:58 PM (UTC) •
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Its a nice idea but would be hard to do..remember in MK4, the game would freeze up for 3 seconds after Shinnok morphed? I think its easier to have Shang morph in 2d than in 3d. Thats why he wasnt able to Morph in MK:DA.
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 •07/11/2004 11:59 PM (UTC) •
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That's all good and fine, maybe a next gen system could do it. The problem with morphs is that you essentialy have to be able to load every character in the game at one time. That, along with their styles, combos, special moves... That's alot. That's why on PSone if you morphed with Shang it had to load it all up during a fight, and that was a very, very bad thing.
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 •07/12/2004 12:02 AM (UTC) •
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Scorpianskullfatality Wrote:
Its a nice idea but would be hard to do..remember in MK4, the game would freeze up for 3 seconds after Shinnok morphed? I think its easier to have Shang morph in 2d than in 3d. Thats why he wasnt able to Morph in MK:DA.


Yeah, I know, sadly that's the only potential pitfall I can see here. Oh well, lol..we'll just say this is an option if they find a remedy for the lag time..(doubtful)
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 •07/12/2004 12:09 AM (UTC) •
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Yeah, that is too bad. Is there any way that the additional characters that Shang Tsung is able to morph into could be loaded at the same time the original Shang Tsung character is being loaded so that the other characters are on a kind of standby until you perform the morph, or is that just too much for the current systems to handle at one time?
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 •07/12/2004 12:10 AM (UTC) •
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Bad idea. That means every time you reset you need to get your abilities back? That's bullshit. I'd rather have Shang not be able to morph at all. That doesn't increase replay value or anything, and instead just pisses the player off into repeating the same thing in order to gain morphing abilities every time they start up. All or nothing, not half-assed additions. Nice attempt, but its a bad idea.
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 •07/12/2004 12:16 AM (UTC) •
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Wanderer Wrote:
Bad idea. That means every time you reset you need to get your abilities back? That's bullshit. I'd rather have Shang not be able to morph at all. That doesn't increase replay value or anything, and instead just pisses the player off into repeating the same thing in order to gain morphing abilities every time they start up. All or nothing, not half-assed additions. Nice attempt, but its a bad idea.


Which is why I said I like secondgen's idea better. They get saved to your profile.
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 •07/12/2004 12:22 AM (UTC) •
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TomTaz Wrote:
Which is why I said I like secondgen's idea better. They get saved to your profile.


I didn't see that until after I replied. I clicked the "reply" button when no one had responded yet.
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 •07/12/2004 12:31 AM (UTC) •
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Wanderer Wrote:
I didn't see that until after I replied. I clicked the "reply" button when no one had responded yet.


It's cool...you made a valid point about my original post none the less. I should have thought it out more.
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 •07/12/2004 04:26 AM (UTC) •
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Maybe if Shang couldn't morph into the character, due to loading and everything in the making of the game, he could kind of summon the force of the character you want to morph into. After that, he'd still look the same, but have a small glow and pick up there move list. Just a thought on that
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•07/12/2004 04:42 AM (UTC) •
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Interesting thread Tazblade.
I like the idea, instead of rather beginning with it, assuming that today's next gen consoles can handle morphing is the way we all think, but unfortunately, we'll have to wait, so....

I had a thought, you guys were talking about freezing and loading for the morphs being a problem. Maybe, when you perform the morph for the first time, a small cut scene takes place, the cut scene compromises for the lag and delay of the morph at the same time amusing players while they watch an animated loading type screen where say shang tsung is getting ready to morph(in game cinematic), and then finally after the loading and ingame cinematic is done, the morph is complete, note: only when you perform the morph for the first time.
It's something different for mk, but it could work.
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 •07/12/2004 05:06 AM (UTC) •
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Maybe Shang Tsung IS the Dragon King!!

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 •07/12/2004 05:16 AM (UTC) •
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i think it would be killer if Shang Morphed into the players, for example Sindel but as an evil and deadly Sindel with blood, or ripped clothing or evil face etc....

Just an idea

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 •07/12/2004 05:25 AM (UTC) •
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I might have an idea on how we can solve that problem (of lag when morphing in battle). When you select Shang on the figher screen, press, Select on the PS2 (not too familiar with the XBOX controller setup). Then, you can choose one of the fighters you have stolen their souls from by selecting them as if you were selecting the actual character.

When you go to fight, you look like the character that you stole their soul with their special moves, but you still have the same fighting styles and fatalities as Shang Tsung.
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•07/12/2004 05:43 AM (UTC) •
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mccauslander Wrote:
I might have an idea on how we can solve that problem (of lag when morphing in battle). When you select Shang on the figher screen, press, Select on the PS2 (not too familiar with the XBOX controller setup). Then, you can choose one of the fighters you have stolen their souls from by selecting them as if you were selecting the actual character.

When you go to fight, you look like the character that you stole their soul with their special moves, but you still have the same fighting styles and fatalities as Shang Tsung.


It's a pretty okay idea, it would solve the problem, but it would be limited and not so fun to play with if you know what your opponent has selected, and you can expect the morph in taking place.
Also, i don't think you meant that starting right away being morphed, if not then everything is okay, but if so, then that's kinda lame. But having the character only allowed special moves with shang's fighting styles is again limited but frees up a lot of space in memory handling where the game would have to entirely load up another fully developed character, so maybe having just special moves would work. Not a lot of people would like the idea, but oh well... we'll have to deal with it. But i think that besides special moves, the morphed characters kicks and punches and throws should still be there, as for combos, no, no way. I think that shang shouldn't get other characters' combos, it would be too cheap. you'd have all the characters right there.
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•07/12/2004 08:57 AM (UTC) •
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This is how it should have been from the beginning. You should only be able to morph into those whose souls you steal.

I like secondgens idea, but why not have Shang play like Shujinko? Given what was said in Konquest, you should be able to customise Shangs styles. He learnt Crane and Snake through absorbing souls of others, so why not be able to switch his styles with the styles of those whose souls you've taken? Then we'd have both Shang and Shujinko in game and online who would both be potentially dangerous. Of course, it doesn't have to be permanent. You could select the styles you wanted before a round and they're passed onto Shang and you play with those for as long as you wish.
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•07/12/2004 07:00 PM (UTC) •
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I like the idea, and I remember it being discussed in the MKDA days. But I think it would just require too much memory, even to store just three additional sets of character data. Maybe the PS3 or Xbox 2 can handle it. But what do I know - I work in a laboratory...
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 •07/12/2004 07:08 PM (UTC) •
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I like the ideas.

I say you earn them as you perform the Soul Steal Fatality and then they can be saved on your memory card, cause earning then over and over would be ghey.

Also I think aslong as you have a HDD in your Ps2 that both the xbox and the ps2 could handle it.
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 •07/12/2004 09:32 PM (UTC) •
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tgrant Wrote:
This is how it should have been from the beginning. You should only be able to morph into those whose souls you steal.

I like secondgens idea, but why not have Shang play like Shujinko? Given what was said in Konquest, you should be able to customise Shangs styles. He learnt Crane and Snake through absorbing souls of others, so why not be able to switch his styles with the styles of those whose souls you've taken? Then we'd have both Shang and Shujinko in game and online who would both be potentially dangerous. Of course, it doesn't have to be permanent. You could select the styles you wanted before a round and they're passed onto Shang and you play with those for as long as you wish.


That's very good! He could draw on defeated warriors Skill in kombat, instead of actually turning into them. The different style combinations could be deadly. So you Soul Steal warriors in MK and then before you start a match you can mix and match styles that you've collected from killing different warriors...I REALLY like this idea.

Also the other ideas that have been added an discussed here are interesting as well. I just wish that it wasn't such a bother to have Morphs back, however I know that havok it causes. Though I think that tgrant's idea is a workable one. Because you can pick the styles you want to use of the ones you've collected before the fighting begins...so no loading time except for the norm.
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 •07/12/2004 09:37 PM (UTC) •
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No wait, doesn't Shan have the ability to transform into anyone he wants? At least appearance wise. Cuz remember, he duped Lui in MKDA but changing his appearance to Kung Lao. Or did you acknowledge that? I didnt read the whole thread. lol.
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 •07/12/2004 09:42 PM (UTC) •
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MetadragonX Wrote:
No wait, doesn't Shan have the ability to transform into anyone he wants? At least appearance wise. Cuz remember, he duped Lui in MKDA but changing his appearance to Kung Lao. Or did you acknowledge that? I didnt read the whole thread. lol.


Come to think of it Meta your right....He did morph into Lao. I don't know, I thought he was only able to morph into someone's likeness after he had absorbed their soul...but the fact that you just stated cancels that out cause he never killed Lao. Hmmm...Anybody know for sure how this power works?
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 •07/12/2004 09:46 PM (UTC) •
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TomTaz Wrote:

MetadragonX Wrote:
No wait, doesn't Shan have the ability to transform into anyone he wants? At least appearance wise. Cuz remember, he duped Lui in MKDA but changing his appearance to Kung Lao. Or did you acknowledge that? I didnt read the whole thread. lol.

Come to think of it Meta your right....He did morph into Lao. I don't know, I thought he was only able to morph into someone's likeness after he had absorbed their soul...but the fact that you just stated cancels that out cause he never killed Lao. Hmmm...Anybody know for sure how this power works?

My guess is, that normally, he uses his magic to shift his image to a person, but it's only the image he has. I don't think he would have their abilities and voice. Now, when he absorbs their soul, then I bet he recieves their powers, voice, and knowledge. Something to that degree. Of course, in the past games, he would get everyones powers and voices, so who really knows. I wonder if the ppl at Midway even truly know.
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