hey I liked rise of the robots
damn I can't make up my mind anymore.. the game needs some improvement BUT.. all games do:
DAO for example, great game, good graphics, good fighting engine, HORRIBLE STORY and characters.. while MKD is a great game, with good graphics with GOOD story and characters and a fighting engine that's yet to be fully unleashed.. and like someone else said, I don't realy care about anyones opinion, gonna buy the game none the less (together with MAT2 (whoohooo Mortal Kombat Frenzy)) so please everyone I beg you! Stop posting good game/bad game threads on the forum and start looking for new things that matter.. how long has it been since their was a new newsupdate?

Christ guys, can we just like chill for one second!

Now, Neurotransmitter has implemented some valid comments which I for one agree with, although his main emphasis is on Ed Boon and how the game is deteriorating, it does not give you guys the free oppurtunity to flame him over his own opinion, come on, yea I'll agree that I ain't taking no ones fucking side but why do we all have to constantly flame with one another and bitch about other peoples point of view...
Now if Neurotransmitter wants to specualte further then let him do so, and if the rest of you wish to do the same, get on with it, yes I know I sound like a 70year old woman who winges and whines at trivial things; but thats just it, this whole thread is utterly trivial there is no reason why we should all start to unleash a cyber-war now, ok?

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You guys do realize that Neuro actually has a point.

Fighting gameplay mechanics ARE what matter. The only reason I will touch Konquest and any other gamemode apart from the actual fighting game is out of curiosity and the potential secrets they harbor.

I want a GOOD FIGHTING GAME made up of my favorite MK characters. I don't want all this icing and whip cream. I WANT a good fighting game. MKDA was fun to play but far from complete. The difference between MKDA and Street Fighter Alpha 3 is that in 10 years time, people will still play Alpha 3 but won't play MKDA. Why? GAMEPLAY. Gameplay is the same reason why Super Street Fighter 2 Turbo is still played at tournaments and why SF3 which is almost a decade old is still being played. GAMEPLAY.

Neuro, though you were a bit harsh I agree with you. I'm still gonna buy MKD cuz I am a fan and I like MK, but don't you bitch at me for wanting (one of) my favorite fighting game to be better at FIGHTING.

Reptile: Thanks man, I appreciate it!

Bunny: I couldn't agree more. I'm craving a news update, I can't wait for MK:D and MAT2, and I'm getting sick of these good game/bad game posts. Only the mods have played this game, yet everyone seems to think that they know what the final outcome will be beyond a shadow of a doubt. It's getting old.

Tyrant and Daemos:

I'll agree that MK:DA's fighting system was flawed, but the reason why everyone is so pissed is because Neuro is completely speculating at this point on a game that has another 5 months to go before release. He hasn't played it, none of us have (outside the mods of course).

People can try to discern a point from what he's saying, and he'd have some validity to what he's saying if he'd actually played the game, but he hasn't.

This is all just a matter of opinion. Daemos, you said that people still play Alpha 3 and SF3, but people won't be playing MK:DA in ten years. I haven't played a SF game for more than a few days in years. I just don't enjoy them. I still play MK:DA over a year since it's been released.

I've played several fighting game series, and I can tell you that I enjoy MK more than most because of it's complete package. For me, I enjoy the fighting, but it's made better by the characters, the fatalities, the storyline, the dark settings, and the minigames. Yes, the fighting system is at the core of the game, but to me personally, it's not all that matters.

I'm sorry, but I won't give a guy credit for talking about how a fan has Ed Boon's dick in his mouth. Any point he was trying to make went out the window when he said that, in my opinion.

Neurotransmitter Wrote: 2. I bash what the fuck i want, when i want to. Just because you can't keep Ed Boon's penis out of your mouth long enough to tell him that his game is garbage doesn't mean anyone else gives a crap about what you think they can or cannot bash. The game is done. It's 6 months away from release... all they're doing is ironing out bugs and shoring up netcode. That 20% crap you hear is due to the fact that 20% of the game was represented in the E3 demo, not that only 20% of it is done. You fucking moron. 3. Too late, i'm too busy with your grandma. 4. Bring it on, shitheels.

if i were a mod this thread would be closed and you would be banned.

I liked MKs fighting system as much as SC2. They are probably my favorite two fighting games in a long time. I'm not a big DOA fan or Tekken, and I despise Virtua Fighter to no end.


I don't think the MK:DA fighting system is bad at all. I do think it's a little slow, and needs more reversal and breaker moves, but they fixed that apparantly, so I'm happy. I used to be a hardcore gamer, and a hardcore fighting gamer, but now I have bills to pay and have to work to pay them.

Maybe that is why MK is still popular, because the people who bought it in the past are a lot older now and don't have time to learn a million moves. SC2 consumed way too much of my time, and could have easily taken more. MKDA took a lot of my time, but I was able to become a somewhat accomplished player. With SC2, I'm good, but I've seen people in that game that are just sickly good, and I will never reach that level, unless I get 3 monhts off work, sell my car, and try not to eat a lot.

There are different focal points for these games, so don't bash them because of that. THe other games are there for you to play if this one doesn't do it for you, but it does it for me, and I've liked every instalment.

Anyway, that's all I have to say.

Neuro, you know your still gonna buy MKD and eat it up like a dirty whore. So dont waste our time.

^^
But the thing is, you don't have to let him waste your time, you could have simply ignored his posts but nooooooo. =)

So lets get this straight. You jumped on a forum FULL of people who are excited about and love a game series, just to tell them that no one is excited about or loves this series?

Don't transfer your hate of the game on to us, plenty of us these MK is a good game, and no matter how many times you say the word "garbage" that isn't going to change.

-F.

All of you dissing Neuro are a bunch of fucking kids. Did his opinion hurt your e-feelings? Awwww NEED A FUCKING HUG?

Grow up, everyone is entitled to their opinion, it doesn't mean you flame their ass and be uncivil. Neuro's opinion is completely justified but you're too blinded by optimism that you can't handle negative opinions. DEAL WITH IT!

You disagree with him, but this gang raping that is going on needs to stop NOW.

He kind of had it coming Daemos, and he knew it. He acted like an asshole. Still, I agree most shouldn't be so dumb as to respond to the provocation in irrational matters.

VQ

Neuro, I think you have good points. The fighting system does need some serious tweaking. A lot of my friends who like fighting games won't take me on in MKDA because they hate the fighting system. They find it stale and boring. I think that critisizing the game before it come out is a smart move, because maybe Boon will fix it, but dude there isn't a need to insult him, but he is kinda acting like a politician in not addressing the 'real issues', I'll buy MKD, and I'll enjoy it most likely, but if its MKDA with fluff... I'll be enjoying DOA:U more... later

Neurotransmitter Wrote: I was watching the last developer interview Gamespot posted at http://www.gamespot.com/ps2/action/mortalkombatdeception/media.html and i actually listened to what Ed Loon had to say, convinced that he really was trying to bring a quality fighting game to us this fall. Ol' looney was talking about how other fighting game sequels focus on improving the mechanics of fighting... lol, you can hear in his voice the disdain he has for this approach, as if it's fundamentally flawed. He says, "Nobody in the industry is really expecting us to do something like this. The natural progression of a fighting game is usually focusing in on just the mechanics of fighting." Then tries to clean it up, pretending like a SINGLE development dollar was really spent making the fighting better: "We’ve done that" No you haven't. That's a bold-faced fucking lie. All you did was speed it up an almost unnoticeable amount. "but we’ve also really tried to take massive steps in terms of just... uh... improving the entire experience of playing MK." Can't even get it out without chokin on it. Then goes on to talk about how adding all fluff and no substance works because it sells games. You know what, looney? GOOD FIGHTING MECHANICS sells games too. Ask all the people who've been playing Street Fighter and Guilty Gear and Tekken. Better yet, ask Capcom and Namco. The simple fact is that ol' looney is too stupid or too lazy or too ill-equipped to put together a fighting engine that does justice to the genre. At least he admitted that conquest mode was basically just a cornball quest mode ripoff designed as a “training system for people who don’t know fighting games.” Guess what? I don't need Ed fucking Boon to train me on how to play a fighting game, ok? I mean, for Christmas' sake, this sonofabith needs a fucking traffic light to tell him when to attack. What trips me out is the bullshit he's tryin to run about how a lot of fighting games try to mimic each other and how he's somehow doing something different... then goes on to talk about conquest (seen plenty of times before in Tobal, VF, etc.) and the puzzle game (Super Puzzle Fighter series, anyone? Not to mention a couple knockoffs). Bitch please. You're maximizing your profit with minimal effort. That's a business strategy. Fine. But don't try to tell me that you're doing it this way because that's what we fans want. We would have been happy with an evolved fighting engine and one or two more fatalities per character. You'd still sell a million copies, but you'd have our respect as well. But no. Can't earn that. Gotta do what's easiest to make money. Writing the code to a freakin puzzle game takes a lot less time and effort than revamping your core fighting engine, which they didn't do. Increasing the amount of bump-mapping for characters is a lot easier than making all the characters play differently and all the fighting styles distinct. Adding a contrived conquest mode is a lot easier than shoring up your animations and making the characters' animations at least approximate a fight between two people. This series is taking that long, slow spiral down into the underground piping. Is that a flushing sound i hear? What a joke.

**claps** haha..damn i bow to u man...Neurotransmitter is 100% RITE..

this thread is great. people just can't stand the fact he's right so they say to ban him. how pathetic. especially the people saying "if you don't like it, don't waste our time!" like they're the ones who didn't click this thread, click the reply button, and type out a response. he's not wasting your time. you're wasting your own time.

that said, i completely agree neuro. i was watching that interview the other day again and noticed some of the spins he put to make mkd seem like a flawless game. when really, he's just covering up the fact he can't make a great fighting game. that's what chess and puzzle are all about. to make weak minds think this game is deep and to cover up the fighting game. now people are going to think this is the greatest thing ever and ask "ed what new cool minigames will we be seeing in mk7!?" for each and every new mk. totally disregarding the fighting game as a secondary option to mortal kombat. sad.

If were wasting our time, then lets just close this POS thread and call it a day. Go play some Tekken and stop wasting your own time.

i'm not wasting my time. i completely agree with him and praise him for continuing to fight the good fight. we need more people to complain about the fighting engine so they'll f'n fix it and hopefully have a decent game by the time mk15 comes out. instead of flaming him for "OMG HE PUT DOWN MK *GASP*", debate him. ah, wait, you can't. he's absolutely right about the fighting engine being terrible and he's absolutely right boon just added fluff to cover up the game. there's no debating it. so like any super duper fan, you go to the next best thing. flame the person with the negative opinion. whether it be saying "close thread" or "ban him", you people have nothing. people are sick of the game being trash and people want their voices heard. the mk team visits the forums so saying he's wasting YOUR time is completely retarded. because if anything, he's wasting the mk team's time. they're the ones that will read this and think "mk.....fighting....game...?" and be totally dumbfounded at the thought.

well first of all you are right neuro this game might suck.

but i like the roster so far and the SPECIAl moves was the concern for me in MKDA reptile with no forceball and invinsiblity and subzero with no ice clone and cyrax with no green net.

BUT on the other hand u need to shut the fuck up, you dont even know info on this game and u are talking shit.

first of all, on your post you SAID there is ONLY ONE FATALITY PER FIGHTER, are you fucking stupid, where have you been???????? there is 3 per fighter 2 plus hari kari.

and another thing, konquest mode is gonna be the shit its gonna be wayyyyy better then tekkens and other fighting games which only had time trails where u kill lil ninjas.

also, the indicators are for noobies that dont know how to play. you can turn those off.

BOON isnt telling u when TO ATTACK MORON, you can attack when u feel like it.
those are there for beginners and u can take that off. the gameplay has like 2 combos for fighter on ONLY ONE of their fighting styles and there second fighting style is usually like 5 moves and there weapon doesnt really have combos for it that kinda sucks.

but they will fix that maybe in mk7.

mk7 is gonna be for PS3 2006!!! or it can be for ps2 and xbox but then mk8 for sure will be on Ps3 and xbox 2, and te controller is gonna be different this time and the graphics and believe me the gameplay is gonna be badass and hold hundreds of moves per fighter and like 70 fighters cause those new generation systems could handle that by that time.

they just got started on this engine and there is wayy too many fighters so itll take awhile cause they dont have experince on this kind of issue, they do need a master in each of those martial arts so they can be the motion capture and give each fighter in the game like 100 moves at least.

but give it time MK8 is gonna kick ass youll see.

not saying much on mk7, but mk8 WILL kick ass.

give it time, you are bashing this game not cause u like tekken better, but because u really like the MK series and dont wanna see it crumble, thats why you are pissed.

i understand fucker.

DEAmos, you always have somthing stupid to say i cant stand you either, shut the fuck up from now on.

thank you.

peace out.

Highly doubt ps3 will be out in 2006 lol just becuz ps2 took forever when they announced it took about 6 yrs or more and also I read at Mk temple MK7 is probably the last one becuz there saving the multiplayer combat system for mktournament for it...... NOW TO MY FUCKING POINT I just found this tread and I honestly have to say I totaly Agr... No it sucks why don't you stfu and don;t put a game down thats not even been realeased yet this games gonna be awesome and if you shouldn't even be able to buy it for calling it garbage you fucking suck. How about you leave and never come back so we don;t have to hear you piss and moan about a game thats 5 months away !!!!

"but they will fix that maybe in mk7.

mk7 is gonna be for PS3 2006!!! or it can be for ps2 and xbox but then mk8 for sure will be on Ps3 and xbox 2, and te controller is gonna be different this time and the graphics and believe me the gameplay is gonna be badass and hold hundreds of moves per fighter and like 70 fighters cause those new generation systems could handle that by that time.

they just got started on this engine and there is wayy too many fighters so itll take awhile cause they dont have experince on this kind of issue, they do need a master in each of those martial arts so they can be the motion capture and give each fighter in the game like 100 moves at least.

but give it time MK8 is gonna kick ass youll see.

not saying much on mk7, but mk8 WILL kick ass"


WORST.REPLY.EVER.

nice to see that people are completely ignoring the fact that the fighting engine has been fixed and improved.

they had to remove the canned combos just so they could give your custom character the ability to use any of the existing styles for the style branch combos.

To all of you bashing a game thats not released yet and is still in the making, ya'll are **** ****** ***** ***** *** *** * ***** ******!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! This is really starting to get stupid, FAST. STOP BEING IGNORANT PEOPLE! WAIT UNTIL OCTOBER! THEN BASH THE GAME IF IT SUCKS!

why wait and see how it turns out when we can make our complaints now and hope by miracle they read it and fix it? it's official. mk fans DON'T want a good game.

any hint of anything that sucks in other fighting game communities, they're all over it compaining. and 10 times out of 10, that complaining helps for the next game that comes out. they fix the issues that fans are complaining about. but here, you people are too blind and optimistic to see any problems. even though they're there. instead of respecting the people who are obviously right about it's flaws, you tell them to piss off and don't make posts about. IT'S INSANE! MK FANS DON'T WANT A GOOD FIGHTING GAME!

Then why is that MK:D was awarded the best fighter of E3?

I agree the fighting engine could use a few tweaks, but I also know that for better of worse I'll still buy it, as most of us will. My point(if I have a point) is that if you don't want to buy it, then don't. But if you're gonna buy it no matter what you really can't complain.
On a related note I saw the Boon interview and his eyebrows frighten me.