Well played sir

Cage dying is not canon anymore. I'm not going to even go into how and why I know this. I'm right about this, anyone who disagrees is just wrong. Sorry, but that's the flat truth.

Well that's a very mature way to defend yourself in an argument.

It's also completely unconvincing. I still say Johnny died in MK3, came back in 4, and his DA bio is him refusing to admit it. You want me to change my mind, you're gonna have to pony up some actual evidence, chief.

I'm not especially fond of the idea of a cop-out to cancel out other cop-outs, but I don't think we get to make the call. It's a bit of a meta joke, but yeah. The implication here is that Cage didn't die and it was all just bad writing in his films. Not exactly the salvation of a character who's failed to grow, but apparently, it's what we've got to go with, sonny jim laddy jim lad boy sonny brother man.

"To him, his real life adventures were much more sensational...he kicked butt!"

Oh yeah, that sounds like a retcon to me, and not Johnny refusing to admit his own shortcomings at all...

Seriously though it absolutely can be taken either way, and I personally have made the conscious choice to take it the "it's not a retcon, it's a joke" way, end of story.

I wonder, without checking or casting aspersions, if there is any precedent for that type of joke in any other bios... I can't think of any.

I'm not going to deny you your prerogative to reimagine and interpret however you like, but it's a direct reference to the film that depicted his many deaths through bad writing.
It isn't the deviation of an unreliable narrator, it's a direct reference to the previous statement.

Has nothing to do with maturity, I'm just not going to say why, "because". You can take my word for it, or you can't. It's up to you.

Dig up the IRC chatlog on the discussions over MKD. Johhny Cage has never died in the current canon continuity.

Your personal opinion and how you want it to be will not change it anyhow. Midway will proceed according to this.

Midway won't "proceed" anything. The only way whether or not Johnny died will ever be relevant is if they make remakes of MK3 and 4

And judging by past history, if they ever did make an MK3 remake, they'll either forget they changed it and go with the same story they had the first time (meaning Johnny dies), or they'll screw the whole plot up so bad it'll have to be deemed non-canon like what happened with Shaolin Monks.
So this whole conversation is about fan perception and has no bearing on the games themselves.

Again, it isn't my "opinion" or "perception" of anything. It is what it is, and what I said is. Johnny Cage never died and the events after MK2 were retconned into being a movie plot. You can believe it or not, as I've said, but I have my reasons (and they are good) for saying it's a fact.

If your reasons are so good, why keep them to yourself? All the mysteriousness just makes you look like a con-artist.

Exactly! Only, not at all.
It's about the current official version of events.

Still, if you like, I could sell you a GREAT timeshare...

And I'm STILL saying there is no official version because that biography can be taken two different ways.
The ONLY way to settle this is for them to remake MK3 (without screwing it up), and I do not see that happening any time soon.

i'm 100% sure that once John Vogel himself said that cage died only when he meets the deadly alliance,togheter with the rest of the team.

i havent' the link,but i'm sure that whoever will find and post it will get DPs.

however,Midway preferred jax to cage,and will give to Jax the role of a comic relief hero.
i can't remember a bigger mistake than this.
Jax is not absolutely nearly popular as Cage is.
Cage appeared in the first movie,he had an alter ego in Conquest,had also appearance on the Journey Begins cartton,appeared in the second movie,on almost every single game of MK,and yes he have a btter storyline than Jax.

It doesn't matter if he died or not in the story because Boon said "nobody ever really dies in mortal kombat"

Lui Kang was the only exception which is why he was a zombie in mka and other characters who had died were not.

johnny cage has a story line?

He won't be in cuz nobody likes him

Johnny died in MK3, its canon, I mean didn't mkt and mk4 freaking state that? Rather or not you consider his death canon is up to you, but the fact is he did die, canon or not, he have died before.

Cage should not be in because he is nothing but a comic releif character and doesn't bring much to the story. Cage needs to be left out, I mean Cage going up against freaking superman and living is pretty funny. The only reason why I can see Sonya, Liu ect doing it is because they have actual magical attacks, but Cage just have his shadow kick, thats it.

he is it comic releif in mk but so is the flash in dc

and he has a fireball lol

The flash dosen't seem soo funny in MKVSDCU. As a matter of fact, he looks a little evil.(don't crap your pants people, I know he's a hero i'm just saying he looks really serious in MKVSDCU)

sadly i agree with u there

We don't really know which Flash it's supposed to be. Barry Allen's serious like a heart attack.

Must be him then.

johnny wasnt in MK3 because the actor was fired (or whatever i dont care dont explain) because he was endorsing another fighting game.

every storyline in mks history was/is crappy except maybe the ones from MK2 and MKD.

Oh Reginald...