Good theory, but not likely.

why do you say that? i mean i know it isnt problly going to happen but don't the facts with a small amount of imagination suggest it?

Well, I honestly don't think Noob Saibot is dead. My own theory was that he was a mortal recruited into the netherealm. But who knows.

what makes you think that?

Definitely not.

JustIncredible Wrote: also in trilogies classic (5th) sub-zero ending indicates it was not the real 5th sub. he removes his mask revealing someone neither earth or outworld had not seen in a very long time..... i just want feed back tell me what you think.

Just so. UMK3 Subbie was not MKI Sub-Zero. But nor could he have been Noob Saibot, as he was present during MKII and MK3.

And yes, he does use Sub-Zero's ice blast as a fatality, but that's only laziness on Midway's part - which is only available if you use the 1 button fatality code. He's also used Reiko's ninja star and thrust kick fatalities in other versions: Doesn't mean he's Reiko.

More to the point, the Netherrealm deities reincarnated Scorpion in order for him to have his revenge. I seriously doubt that they'd piss him off by ging and giving his enemy new powers. Besides, being a denizen of the Netherrealm and all, Scorpion would probably know if this were the case.

Furthermore, the Brothers Of The Shadow are an ancient cult. Noob's being a member - and a high ranking one - implies that he's been associated with it for a very long, long time. Shinnok trusted him enough to spy on the events taking place during MKII and 3, and report back to him personally. I'd wager someone would have to serve dillligently for ages in order to gain that kind of trust.

To Noob's personality itself: He's a lapdog, pure and simple. All he does is take orders. Almost entirely the opposite of Sub-Zero I, who was rather an arrogant and self-serving individual.

As for Noob's appearance; well, we've seen what he looks like underneath the mask (MK4). He's got this weird alien-skull thing going on. Now, if it took centuries for Drahmin to be disfigured to look the way he does now, I'd say it would take even longer to make a human into whatever the hell Noob is.

While it's an interesting theory, I don't believe it possible at all. I just believe that it isn't necessary for anyone to 'be' anyone else. IMO, Sub-Zero is Sub-Zero, and Noob Saibot is Noob Saibot.

Just so. UMK3 Subbie was not MKI Sub-Zero. But nor could he have been Noob Saibot, as he was present during MKII and MK3.

-answer. mk2, and mk3 sub is sub zero (6th) not (5th) get it right


And yes, he does use Sub-Zero's ice blast as a fatality, but that's only laziness on Midway's part - which is only available if you use the 1 button fatality code. He's also used Reiko's ninja star and thrust kick fatalities in other versions: Doesn't mean he's Reiko.
- answer true, but any ninja, linkuei warrior can throw shurikens reiko isnt the only one

More to the point, the Netherrealm deities reincarnated Scorpion in order for him to have his revenge. I seriously doubt that they'd piss him off by ging and giving his enemy new powers. Besides, being a denizen of the Netherrealm and all, Scorpion would probably know if this were the case.
- quan chi can keep a secret, i mean he did kill scorpions caln.

Furthermore, the Brothers Of The Shadow are an ancient cult. Noob's being a member - and a high ranking one - implies that he's been associated with it for a very long, long time. Shinnok trusted him enough to spy on the events taking place during MKII and 3, and report back to him personally. I'd wager someone would have to serve dillligently for ages in order to gain that kind of trust.
To Noob's personality itself: He's a lapdog, pure and simple. All he does is take orders. Almost entirely the opposite of Sub-Zero I, who was rather an arrogant and self-serving individual.

- sub was dedicated to the lin kuei completly -lap dog- now he is a slave under quan chi thats not to hard to imagine, also if he was high ranking, existed at the time, and was still to be trusted afterwords why didnt he aid quan chi and shinnok in mkm?

As for Noob's appearance; well, we've seen what he looks like underneath the mask (MK4). He's got this weird alien-skull thing going on. Now, if it took centuries for Drahmin to be disfigured to look the way he does now, I'd say it would take even longer to make a human into whatever the hell Noob is.
- his face was slitlt disfigured, it looks like a skull....can u say past human who was burnt?

While it's an interesting theory, I don't be
lieve it possible at all. I just believe that it isn't necessary for anyone to 'be' anyone else. IMO, Sub-Zero is Sub-Zero, and Noob Saibot is Noob Saibot.

-understandable, i just want you to look at the facts and have yours right when you try to prove it wrong, i my self dont think it is likly but facts to indicate it could be true, once again take it as theor please noone get piised and talk shizzy.

yeah, theres no way NoobSai would turn out to actually be subby spray

JustIncredible Wrote: -answer. mk2, and mk3 sub is sub zero (6th) not (5th) get it right

You missed me, here. I'm saying NOOB was around during MKII and 3. Not Sub-Zero I. UMK3 Sub-Zero could have been NEITHER of those two.

JustIncredible Wrote: - answer true, but any ninja, linkuei warrior can throw shurikens reiko isnt the only one

Exactly. but as far as we know, Noob has no Shuriken on him; he doesn't need them, he's got netherrealm powers. So it would stand to reason that neither his ice blast or shuriken can be used for argument. They're just extras.

JustIncredible Wrote: - quan chi can keep a secret, i mean he did kill scorpions caln.

No he can't. You saw how he blabbed everything at the end of MK4. Quan is an arrogant SOB, and if Noob was Sub-Zero I, he would have DEFINITELY used that to his advantage by now.

JustIncredible Wrote: - sub was dedicated to the lin kuei completly -lap dog- now he is a slave under quan chi thats not to hard to imagine, also if he was high ranking, existed at the time, and was still to be trusted afterwords why didnt he aid quan chi and shinnok in mkm?

The Idea of Sub-Zero I being a slave is VERY hard to imagine, actually.

Presumably Quan and Shinnok saw how much of a danger Sub-Zero I was with the amulet: hence, they decided to take him on themselves.

Sub and Noob have a major difference: Sub-Zero can apparently think for himself. Noob just does what he's told.

JustIncredible Wrote: - his face was slitlt disfigured, it looks like a skull....can u say past human who was burnt?

Sorry, but I see an alien skull, not just a regular skull. IMO, Noob was born the way he is.

You missed me, here. I'm saying NOOB was around during MKII and 3. Not Sub-Zero I. UMK3 Sub-Zero could have been NEITHER of those two.
-that is my point exactly! they rant around at the same time.




Exactly. but as far as we know, Noob has no Shuriken on him; he doesn't need them, he's got netherrealm powers. So it would stand to reason that neither his ice blast or shuriken can be used for argument. They're just extras.
-possibly, like i said it could have been laziness on midway's part but the fact that he uses the ice blast is still interesting, the shuriken can be used by any one powers or not.





No he can't. You saw how he blabbed everything at the end of MK4. Quan is an arrogant SOB, and if Noob was Sub-Zero I, he would have DEFINITELY used that to his advantage by now.
-he kept the secret from scorpion in part 1- until 4 when he was sure that it would no longer be a problem then he arrogantly devolged it...he just didnt get away with it, so in short he did keep the secret....if sub being noob wanted revenge what advaantage could he get by telling this secret of his own?


The Idea of Sub-Zero I being a slave is VERY hard to imagine, actually.

He was in total survitude to the lin kuei! how is that hard to imagine?

Presumably Quan and Shinnok saw how much of a danger Sub-Zero I was with the amulet: hence, they decided to take him on themselves.

why not get help from there greatest warrior if he is such a threat?

Sub and Noob have a major difference: Sub-Zero can apparently think for himself. Noob just does what he's told.

Both of them do as they are told, they serve a master.. sub the lin kuei in life, noob the brother of the shadows after his death





JustIncredible Wrote:

- his face was slitlt disfigured, it looks like a skull....can u say past human who was burnt?




Sorry, but I see an alien skull, not just a regular skull. IMO, Noob was born the way he is.

we will just half to agree to disagree on this one, but i dont think any other arguments you have made can prove it wrong..... thank you for explaning yourself, i really appreciate it

double post my bad

I never saw noob without his mask on. Could anyone post a pic of what he looks like? I also though he had kinda gray/black skin but in MKD alt he has white.

The theory is good, but if they were going to bring back Sub-Zero the 5th, this isnt the way. People have grown to like Noob Saibot the way he is, and killing his character to bring back another is not necessarily the way to do it. Although I'd like to see Sub 5th come back, it more than likely won't be in Deception.

Let me just say that the Classic Sub-Zero is none other than the classic Sub-Zero, yes even in UMK3.

In his ending when it says that he removed his mask to reveal a warrior that the Outworld nor the Earthrealm warriors has seen in a long time they were expecting to see Sub-Zero (XI or the younger Sub-Zero).

Im sure that since the Outworld invasion most warriors were serperated and Sub-Zero even more so becasue he was being hunted by 3 cyborgs, so he had to be constantly on the run.

So what the Classic Sub-Zero ending was suggesting was that all the warriors assumed that Sub-Zero was still in Lin Kuei uniform and was shocked to see that it wasnt the same Sub-Zero they were expecting to see.

Anyways on the topic, I would have to say that the Classic Sub-Zero being Noob Saibot is absurd and is just a downright wrong theory.

even though this would make some umm...interesting storyline i have to disagree...even though you have some facts many of them can be looked both ways...and didnt boon say that noob/smoke were sort of fused, im not sure if this meant their fighting styles or what but this aint subby because even if your whole theory on the elder gods bringin him back for his revenge or wahtever and quan chi stuff nobody would have known that quan chi was deceiving scorp except the elder gods (lazy bums) and even if they did there wouldnt be enough time to have known that and make sub into noob...it said noob was around in mk2 and Umk3 but if this is true then why would he have worked for quan chi? it doesnt make sense because he would have gone after scorp and vice versa...but he would have been with quan chi only if he had known that he had deceived scorp...which he didnt at the time...so with this time scale i say NAY! nice theory but i dont think so...but hey we can wait another 45 days and see!

subzero961 Wrote: Let me just say that the Classic Sub-Zero is none other than the classic Sub-Zero, yes even in UMK3. In his ending when it says that he removed his mask to reveal a warrior that the Outworld nor the Earthrealm warriors has seen in a long time they were expecting to see Sub-Zero (XI or the younger Sub-Zero). Im sure that since the Outworld invasion most warriors were serperated and Sub-Zero even more so becasue he was being hunted by 3 cyborgs, so he had to be constantly on the run. So what the Classic Sub-Zero ending was suggesting was that all the warriors assumed that Sub-Zero was still in Lin Kuei uniform and was shocked to see that it wasnt the same Sub-Zero they were expecting to see.

No. That makes no sense with the way it's worded.

It says CSZ is thought to be the dead older brother HOWEVER upon removing his mask everyone is shocked to see his identity.

They did not assume it was the younger brother. It says as much. They thought it was the other and if they thought it was him back from the dead they wouldn't be shocked when it was someone else and it wouldn't say "however".

It's like saying it's "thought to have been killed in MK1 the older brother seems to have returned to win MK3. However everyone is shocked when he removes his mask and reveals himself to be the older brother from MK1".

That obviously is nonsensical.



As for this theory, I dont buy it. I am sick of these "so and so is so and so" theories. I don't know what it is with the MK community and people insisting everyone must have an alter ago.

subzero961 Wrote: Let me just say that the Classic Sub-Zero is none other than the classic Sub-Zero, yes even in UMK3. In his ending when it says that he removed his mask to reveal a warrior that the Outworld nor the Earthrealm warriors has seen in a long time they were expecting to see Sub-Zero (XI or the younger Sub-Zero). Im sure that since the Outworld invasion most warriors were serperated and Sub-Zero even more so becasue he was being hunted by 3 cyborgs, so he had to be constantly on the run. So what the Classic Sub-Zero ending was suggesting was that all the warriors assumed that Sub-Zero was still in Lin Kuei uniform and was shocked to see that it wasnt the same Sub-Zero they were expecting to see.

No. That makes no sense with the way it's worded.

It says CSZ is thought to be the dead older brother HOWEVER upon removing his mask everyone is shocked to see his identity.

They did not assume it was the younger brother. It says as much. They thought it was the other and if they thought it was him back from the dead they wouldn't be shocked when it was someone else and it wouldn't say "however".

It's like saying it's "thought to have been killed in MK1 the older brother seems to have returned to win MK3. However everyone is shocked when he removes his mask and reveals himself to be the older brother from MK1".

That obviously is nonsensical.



As for this theory, I dont buy it. I am sick of these "so and so is so and so" theories. I don't know what it is with the MK community and people insisting everyone must have an alter ago.

Here is Sub-Zero's UMK3 ending

"Having been killed in the first tournament Sub-Zero somehow seems to have emerged to win the third tournament. However, upon removing his mask both the outworld and the earth-born warriors are shocked to discover the true identity of this warrior. A warrior who has long been missing from a previous Mortal Kombat, and one who will return in the fourth tournament."

This ending says nothing about the Earth warriors thinking it was the original Sub-Zero. (Though Im aware it does say so, but that that statement is narrative, so it is pretty fair to say that there is a good chance that nobody knew it was actuall the original). Now the word "however" suggests a transition from a non narrative to a character point of view. Im still convinced that they thought it was the younger Sub-Zero.

Anyanka Wrote: subzero961 Wrote: Let me just say that the Classic Sub-Zero is none other than the classic Sub-Zero, yes even in UMK3. In his ending when it says that he removed his mask to reveal a warrior that the Outworld nor the Earthrealm warriors has seen in a long time they were expecting to see Sub-Zero (XI or the younger Sub-Zero). Im sure that since the Outworld invasion most warriors were serperated and Sub-Zero even more so becasue he was being hunted by 3 cyborgs, so he had to be constantly on the run. So what the Classic Sub-Zero ending was suggesting was that all the warriors assumed that Sub-Zero was still in Lin Kuei uniform and was shocked to see that it wasnt the same Sub-Zero they were expecting to see. No. That makes no sense with the way it's worded. It says CSZ is thought to be the dead older brother HOWEVER upon removing his mask everyone is shocked to see his identity. They did not assume it was the younger brother. It says as much. They thought it was the other and if they thought it was him back from the dead they wouldn't be shocked when it was someone else and it wouldn't say "however". It's like saying it's "thought to have been killed in MK1 the older brother seems to have returned to win MK3. However everyone is shocked when he removes his mask and reveals himself to be the older brother from MK1". That obviously is nonsensical. As for this theory, I dont buy it. I am sick of these "so and so is so and so" theories. I don't know what it is with the MK community and people insisting everyone must have an alter ago.

By the way I agree with you on the continous topics about characters being other characters nonsense. I have heard them all,

Reiko is Kahn
Shang Tsung is Reiko
Sub-Zero is Noob Saibot
Li Mei is Mileena
Raiden is Sub-Zero
Cyrax is Scorpion

I wish everybody would just accept the fact that everybody is themselves.

Anyanka Wrote: subzero961 Wrote: Let me just say that the Classic Sub-Zero is none other than the classic Sub-Zero, yes even in UMK3. In his ending when it says that he removed his mask to reveal a warrior that the Outworld nor the Earthrealm warriors has seen in a long time they were expecting to see Sub-Zero (XI or the younger Sub-Zero). Im sure that since the Outworld invasion most warriors were serperated and Sub-Zero even more so becasue he was being hunted by 3 cyborgs, so he had to be constantly on the run. So what the Classic Sub-Zero ending was suggesting was that all the warriors assumed that Sub-Zero was still in Lin Kuei uniform and was shocked to see that it wasnt the same Sub-Zero they were expecting to see. No. That makes no sense with the way it's worded. It says CSZ is thought to be the dead older brother HOWEVER upon removing his mask everyone is shocked to see his identity. They did not assume it was the younger brother. It says as much. They thought it was the other and if they thought it was him back from the dead they wouldn't be shocked when it was someone else and it wouldn't say "however". It's like saying it's "thought to have been killed in MK1 the older brother seems to have returned to win MK3. However everyone is shocked when he removes his mask and reveals himself to be the older brother from MK1". That obviously is nonsensical. As for this theory, I dont buy it. I am sick of these "so and so is so and so" theories. I don't know what it is with the MK community and people insisting everyone must have an alter ago.

As far as we know they never saw old Sub-Zero without his mask. He wouldn't even have a connection to the outworld warriors besides Shang Tsung....so why would they all be shocked? They shouldn't even know or care who he is.


I don't buy that nobody saw unmasked Sub-Zero in MK3. Nightwolf and Stryker's stories refer to all the chosen ones meeting up before storming Kahn's lair and he seems to pal around with the others in MKDA(though I guess they could have met in MK4 in his alt outfit...but come on..).

The way it says however and everyone is shocked to see his true identify implies everyone is thinking what the first part says.


The biggest thing is why word it like that if it's just trying to say it was the old Sub? The way it's written it's like they went out of their way to reveal it was someone shocking and special, without revealing it to the player. Why? Why be so vague if it's just saying it's the old Sub back from the dead? What's the point of saying it seems to be the original but that everyone is shocked when they found out it's him? That's just silly.


I don't think Tobias ever actually knew who it was. I'm guessing he wrote the ending to be a cliff hanger he'd use for MK4 and just never got around to it.

Well there was also rumor that Noob Saibot is Johnny Cage and Cage wears sunglasses to cover up his white eyes. I dont' feel like explaining since everyone probably knows the story.

But whether Noob Saibot is Johnny Cage, Sub Zero the fifth, Steven Seagal, or whoever, we know that he is human because of his skin now. Hopefully that will be explained.

Meh. Good theory, not too likley, but if it turns out true, cool.

the reason y this idea is bugus to me is cause i thought there were only 2 subbys in the world of mk.

there were only to sub-zeros in the game