Reiko is Kahn
Shang Tsung is Reiko
Sub-Zero is Noob Saibot
Li Mei is Mileena
Raiden is Sub-Zero
Cyrax is Scorpion


i agree that is rediculous. however i am not saying my theory is fact, unlike all the other threories i have provided cold hard facts which with logical conclusions could show noob saibot to be sub-zero. the this guy is this guy has gotten out of hand but this theory has stuck in my head for a long time, i simply wanted to share this with you guys for feed back, not ridicule. problly isnt true, but damn at least have fun with the idea of it.
On to the statment noob is now human because of the skin shown on his alternate....How do you know that is noob? it is speculation it is not a "without a doubt" fact. i myself believe it to be smoke, think about it black ninja with all that mettal rings on the suit. it may be noob may be smoke, truthfully noone knows. further more it doesn't blow my theory out of the water it would just half 2 be organized a little diffrently.

first off is or is not sub-zero from mk1 the umk3 classic sub-zero. anyway facts say that noob couldnt be sub because noobs been around forever. umk3 sub was just an extra in my opinon. a added chracter for the roster. his story and ending is garbage. he won the third tournment. there hasnt been a third tournment unlees you count the one hundreds of years ago. the third mk was a all out war just like mk4 mkda and mkd will be just like that. noob is not sub-zero. ur theroy has a bunch of holes. and another thing. if midway said smoke and noob were like one then how in gods green earth can sub be in this whole load of shit. unk3 ending is non cannon to mk story. sub-zero mk1 is and will always rot in hell from the day he was killed.

Several endings refer to the events of UMK3 as a tournament.

first off is or is not sub-zero from mk1 the umk3 classic sub-zero.
-no he isnt, his ending gives hint that it is someone else.

anyway facts say that noob couldnt be sub because noobs been around forever.
-what facts? where was he in mkm?

umk3 sub was just an extra in my opinon. a added chracter for the roster. his story and ending is garbage. he won the third tournment.
-no shit, but it indicates it wasnt sub zero 5th

ur theroy has a bunch of holes.
- u havent shown me one.

and another thing.
- how many times have a i called my mother a bitch before......your a bitch

if midway said smoke and noob were like one then how in gods green earth can sub be in this whole load of shit.
-its a theory, we dont know what boon ment by that.

unk3 ending is non cannon to mk story.
-excpet to his own history

sub-zero mk1 is and will always rot in hell from the day he was killed.
-as u will someday

u have officially pissed me off

"Cyrax is Scorpion"

I was playing MK3 the other day.. and I thought that was relevent in a sense that maybe Boon wanted to make Scorpion a cyborg and decided not to because it would ruin him (to most) and thus we have Cyrax.

But back on topic, I think Sub-Zero the 5th has no relations to Noob Saibot, let alone being one in the same.

There's no reason to say that Classic Sub-Zero in UMK3 was non-canon. While his ending didn't happen(he obviously didn't win) that doesn't mean the information in his ending is false or that he wasn't actually there. He has a story in the game, he is a real character. Nothing in any game contradicts that.

So far they haven't mentioned him since then, but there's no reason they couldn't bring him back in the future if they wanted. Up until MKD we had never seen or heard from Stryker since MK3 but nobody is saying he is non-canon.

As far as I'm concerned, Noob Saibot is a demon. Nothing less nothing more. Demon's are mentioned in MK Mythologies instruction book. Shinnok tried to make them seem as human as possible.

People make too much out of Noob Saibot. He is obviously just a netherealm demon who's thousands of years old. Not a spectre, not a mortal.

JustIncredible Wrote: first off is or is not sub-zero from mk1 the umk3 classic sub-zero. -no he isnt, his ending gives hint that it is someone else. anyway facts say that noob couldnt be sub because noobs been around forever. -what facts? where was he in mkm? umk3 sub was just an extra in my opinon. a added chracter for the roster. his story and ending is garbage. he won the third tournment. -no shit, but it indicates it wasnt sub zero 5th ur theroy has a bunch of holes. - u havent shown me one. and another thing. - how many times have a i called my mother a bitch before......your a bitch if midway said smoke and noob were like one then how in gods green earth can sub be in this whole load of shit. -its a theory, we dont know what boon ment by that. unk3 ending is non cannon to mk story. -excpet to his own history sub-zero mk1 is and will always rot in hell from the day he was killed. -as u will someday u have officially pissed me off

first off noob doesnt have to be in mkm to prove hes sub-zero. he was probaly following a shinnoks orders to spy and hide for know.

and heres another point if sub-zero was just filler for umk3 that automaticly tells you that his fucking story isnt cannon period. not even to his own.

and let me ask you this. if its someone else instead of either sub-zeros, where in the hell does he get the abilty to freeze? who the fuck else in th mk universe has the abylity to freeze? no one unless it was the sub-zeros, shang tsung, or shinnok.

also i never called you a bitch.

and also i believe sub-zero will be in hell because he needs no revenge. he has no need to come back. his story is done.

actually i stand corrected justincredible. ur theroy has no holes. i will go with you on the fact if noob is the best of the brother of the shawdow he would have been called to fight. but i still say tho that sub isnt but could possibly be noob. and by the smoke noob thing. yes were not sure what that means but boon did state that they were like one. also sub wasnt killed by flames. i think his head was ripped of in retrebution to sub-zero.

and heres another point if sub-zero was just filler for umk3 that automaticly tells you that his fucking story isnt cannon period. not even to his own.


A lot of characters, espcially hidden, are just "filler". Ermac's original UMK3 story is like the definition of filler. That doesn't mean they are non-canon. Noob Saibot started out as a black Scorpion with only the spear and no story at all and he's not non-canon. I've seen nothing to indicate Classic Sub-Zero is non-canon in UMK3.


and let me ask you this. if its someone else instead of either sub-zeros, where in the hell does he get the abilty to freeze? who the fuck else in th mk universe has the abylity to freeze? no one unless it was the sub-zeros, shang tsung, or shinnok.


Who knows? That's for Midway to reveal, which they haven't done yet. It may likely not even be anyone known in the MK universe. It could be someone we, the players, don't know of but the characters do.

true but i doubt midway will have a chracter with the abylity to freeze and i seriously doubt there gonna reveal who was really under the mask. like i said in my other post i stand corrected and the theroy does have possiblties. i just miss read it. but i still say that this filler chracter will go unanswered for years to come.


and no im not kissing ass i just rethought out possbilties.

<br><br><center><table border=1 cellspacing=0 cellpadding=4 width=90%><tr><td><font size=1>Grimm Wrote:
Well there was also rumor that Noob Saibot is Johnny Cage and Cage wears sunglasses to cover up his white eyes. I dont' feel like explaining since everyone probably knows the story.

But whether Noob Saibot is Johnny Cage, Sub Zero the fifth, Steven Seagal, or whoever, we know that he is human because of his skin now. Hopefully that will be explained.</font></td></tr></table></center>

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also sub wasnt killed by flames. i think his head was ripped of in retrebution to sub-zero.

- mk 1 -every character had 1 fatality, this isnt to say scorpion couldnt rip sub's head off...however his fatality was spitting fire.... the logical path is to believe that would be how he murdered sub-zero

As for the Outworlders never seeing the original Sub-Zero unmasked, that is probably true, but they probably have never heard of his fate by Scorpion's hands either. So why would they think there was another Sub-Zero (other than Shang Tsung) but he has no reason to tell anyone. At the same time I think they have seen the younger Sub-Zero unmasked. I mean he was a contender and Shao Kahn sent many warriors to search for the chosen warriors, Im sure the younger Sub-Zero was at least seen.

Now Im not saying that the Earth warriors never saw Sub-Zero because they obviously did, just not unmasked, but I dont think he was with the other Earth warriors at all. He was constantly on the run from the cyborgs, how would he find the time?

And about Nightworlf and Stryker's warriors gathering, that was only in their endings, which means there is a chance it never happened.

And about them being vague on saying who he is, it was probably to keep the mood of a mysterious character which he has been in all the games.

You might be right about it being a MK4 cliffhanger, but since no one knows for certain in the ending, the most reasonable solution is that he is who he is portrayed to be-- the original Sub-Zero. Anyways they probably didnt even want to use that ending, I think if they decided they wanted to use the masked Sub-Zero they would have revamped his ending in MKT (like Ermac's and Mileena's)-- the ending is void to the storyline anyways (just like Ermac's and Mileena's original endings).

Anyanka Wrote: As far as we know they never saw old Sub-Zero without his mask. He wouldn't even have a connection to the outworld warriors besides Shang Tsung....so why would they all be shocked? They shouldn't even know or care who he is. I don't buy that nobody saw unmasked Sub-Zero in MK3. Nightwolf and Stryker's stories refer to all the chosen ones meeting up before storming Kahn's lair and he seems to pal around with the others in MKDA(though I guess they could have met in MK4 in his alt outfit...but come on..). The way it says however and everyone is shocked to see his true identify implies everyone is thinking what the first part says. The biggest thing is why word it like that if it's just trying to say it was the old Sub? The way it's written it's like they went out of their way to reveal it was someone shocking and special, without revealing it to the player. Why? Why be so vague if it's just saying it's the old Sub back from the dead? What's the point of saying it seems to be the original but that everyone is shocked when they found out it's him? That's just silly. I don't think Tobias ever actually knew who it was. I'm guessing he wrote the ending to be a cliff hanger he'd use for MK4 and just never got around to it.

stupid idea #1656414324354341344343435

subzero i didnt follow...
^ stupid idea #1656414324354341344343436^

Just because scorpions fatalty in MK1 was the inferno doesn't mean he finished off sub zero that way.

like i said if you go to the kombat pavillion and look at the plot line i beleive they say the first sub-zero head was ripped off by scorpion.

"mk 1 -every character had 1 fatality, this isnt to say scorpion couldnt rip sub's head off...however his fatality was spitting fire.... the logical path is to believe that would be how he murdered sub-zero" i said this how many post ago?

travelingwilbury can i get a link?

nevermind. i just checked and doesnt say that. i believe if you ask mk2kungbroken, tomtaz, or takermk they would know. im saying though that somewhere i read that sub was killed by his head and spine being removed.

I thought Noob was Smoke

Seriously though, I like your idea a lot... but I don't think it's gonna go down like that.

Noob Saibot isn't the older Sub-Zero.

Older Sub-Zero's appearance in UMK3 and MKT was non-canon. Sub-Zero's Konquest storyline mentions that the older Sub-Zero died at the hands of Scorpion in MK1. Even the MK team stated that older Sub-Zero is officially dead.

Noob Saibot works for Shinnok, not Quan Chi.

Although older Sub-Zero was killed, that doesn't necessarily mean that he went to the Netherealm.

Noob Saibot isn't the older Sub-Zero.

Older Sub-Zero's appearance in UMK3 and MKT was non-canon. Sub-Zero's Konquest storyline mentions that the older Sub-Zero died at the hands of Scorpion in MK1. Even the MK team stated that older Sub-Zero is officially dead.

Noob Saibot works for Shinnok, not Quan Chi.

Although older Sub-Zero was killed, that doesn't necessarily mean that he went to the Netherealm.

It's about time someone opens their eyes. Noob was never a human, is not a human, and will never he a human. He's a demon, and he's always been a demon. That means that he could not have ever been Sub-Zero or anyeone else for that matter. Noob Saibot is his own man. Also, anyone who thinks that Smoke and Noob fused is on my shit list for life.

ErmacMk5 Wrote: As far as I'm concerned, Noob Saibot is a demon. Nothing less nothing more. Demon's are mentioned in MK Mythologies instruction book. Shinnok tried to make them seem as human as possible. People make too much out of Noob Saibot. He is obviously just a netherealm demon who's thousands of years old. Not a spectre, not a mortal.