My Letter to Midway Concerning the GameCube version of MKD.

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posted12/24/2004 10:44 PM (UTC)by

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Well, first off I want to start off by saying that I am not the only one who feels like Midway has slapped me in the face. I have an opinion to share when it comes to the content in the gamecube version of MKD and I have taken the time to write a letter to midway about this issue. I have not yet sent the letter and I am actuallly hoping for some valued opinion, negative or possitive when it comes to this matter. Please tell me if you do or dont feel the same way:
My letter:
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To Whom It May Concern,
As a loyal fan of the Mortal Kombat series I would like to express my opinion on a matter that has the MK community both excited and disappointed at the same time. However, I would first like to take a moment to express my congratulations on the success of Mortal Kombat Deception. The game has surpassed all expectations and has become my personal favourite in the entire series. The numerous awards speak for themselves. Not only did Ed Boon and his team manage to conquer the fighting genre, Deception proved that Mortal Kombat throughout its decade has become more than just a fighting game. MK Deception has now set the standards for what a fighting game should be and that in itself is an accomplishment all gaming developers strive to achieve. Congratulations once again.
I do however have one concern. I have taken the liberty and time to express an opinion that I feel very strongly about, it is a concern that not only I share, but the MK community does as well. The announcement of MK Deception was bitter sweet for the Game Cube community, I am sure, but all concerns were later put to rest as Midway announced a February â05 release of a Game Cube instalment of Mortal Kombat Deception. Nintendoâs lack of online support did however mean that the online component would have to be dropped. Quite unfortunate, however, as a company that claims to strive to provide the best gaming experience possible, it is unfair that Nintendo should be rewarded with content not available in the Xbox or PlayStation2 versions of Mortal Kombat Deception. Nintendo as a company can in-fact support online play as it has with the instalments of Phantasy Star Online, but has choose not to do so. Being perhaps one of the biggest fan of Mortal Kombat I find it quite unfair that content which should have been in the Xbox and PS2 versions was dropped simply to cater the needs of a company that is falling behind (because of their own fault must I add) in the gaming industry. The fact of the matter is, Nintendo can indeed allow gamers to play online but choose not to, yet Midway has found a way to reward them for that.
With the recent announcement of Show Kahn and Goro being âexclusiveâ to the Game Cube instalment, I found myself outraged and excited at the same time. As a student that lives from paycheque to paycheque I cant afford to purchase a whole new gaming system just for one game. Being a loyal fan I find the inclusion of such characters undoubtedly appealing. Show Kahn and Goro are characters that fans have always wanted to be playable, but only a handful of gamers will be able to experience that. With the knowledge of even more âexclusiveâ? content yet unannounced I an very disappointed. I do see the point of trying to make up for the lack of online play, however, I still feel like I have gotten a slap in the face for owning an Xbox. Microsoft and Sony have proven that they are indeed providing the best gaming experience possible. But the fact that Nintendo can be doing the same and made a choice not to do so does leave me unsatisfied. Perhaps a solution to this would be to have the content available via a booster pack like Official Xbox Magazine offered for Dead Or Alive 3, however such methods can be costly for some gamers, especially PS2 owners. The most valued opinions and the ones that matter most are the ones that come from the gamers, as a loyal fan I am excited that such content is being made available, however, it is unfair that only a few will be able to experience them. Something needs to be done. As someone who seeks the best out of my games, I cant help but feel robbed as a gamer.
Thank you for your time
Romel C.
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please note that this is sort of a rough draft and I still need to add a few things. Opinions?

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•12/23/2004 06:45 AM (UTC) •

You suck. Banned.

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•12/23/2004 06:47 AM (UTC) •

Yes... I agree with everything you say here. Just because Gamecube doesn't want online play... doesn't mean we should get the shaft. Even though Goro/Kahn's storyline will bite the big one, just giving it to us will be enough. Gamecube shouldn't be rewarded for not doing Online play with MKD- they should be punished.
I completely agree CAMK.

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•12/23/2004 06:53 AM (UTC) •

Haha this is so true! <3 CAMK

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•12/23/2004 06:54 AM (UTC) •

Here's a random complaint letter for you to fill out. Just print it out and circle the part you want to complain about. (You can send multiple copies and just circle different parts each time, it's okay.)
Dear Midway,
I am extremely disappointed that you decided to [release / not release] MKD for GameCube. It's an insult to the MK fans, because now people who own [PS2 and X-Box / GameCube] are getting screwed. Obviously, it's Nintendo's fault that there's online play won't really be an option. However, you [should / should not] make up for it by having extra characters because it's just not fair to me otherwise. I [already own / don't own] a GameCube and now I will [have to buy the game twice just to / never have the chance to] experience the full version of MKD. I am an MK fan, so I have the right to tell you what all other MK fans want: to [release / not release] MKD on GameCube with [extra characters / no extra characters] because I feel that's the most fair way to do it.
Sincerely,
blah blah blah

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•12/23/2004 06:58 AM (UTC) •

hahaha ]{. :p
oh and about the paragraph issue, its a rough draft plz.

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•12/23/2004 07:15 AM (UTC) •

Boon said they'd both be powerhouses which would make online play even more unbalanced, he did the right thing, cant make em smaller, that would just ruin em. lets not ruin the game anymore for us, the only thing good about the gc version is the controller, the control pad is very comfortable and the block button is easier to press, ( results may vary ) the only thing is the button configuration, but once you learn it, it makes the playstation controller look crooked theres really nothing they can do now, there not in the game, be happy for cubers..

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•12/23/2004 07:17 AM (UTC) •

I put ina few other post that i feel this is a battle none of us will win. had they left mkd the same minus the online GC fans would be in your place. i don't blame you and i wouldnt blame GC fans if it were the oyther way aroubd. but in now way is it midways fault. i DO agree leaveing the game the same would have been a slap to GC fans beacuse althogh its not that great online play (or lack there of) would piss a few GC owners off. they do deserve something. extra players is a easy way to fix it. If you don;t own a game cuve i DO feel for ya. it owuld suck ass and it would piss me off so don;t in anyway think im calling anyone a jerk or anything. but it realy isnt anyones fault (mabey nintendo a little for not doing online). the only other thing i could think of was that theyt leave MKD the same for GC but make it 10 bucks cheaper (which for GC Would be like ($29.99) cuase of lack of online play. and as ALL of us know there no way in hell thye would ever loose out on a buck. thats just bussiness i guess. Letters in the past have only fuled fights and i think it;s dumb. eveyone has a right to speak so the best of luckwith u sending it. Mabey if enoigh people write in the'll make an expansion disk or something for PS2 & XB.

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•12/23/2004 07:27 AM (UTC) •

Ok, I just wanted to note based on some replies and comments I have gotten that this letter is in no way saying that Midway should take out all extra content, I would rather have Kahn and Goro in one game than none at all. My letter is in ways a proposal for a solution. I heard the comment that "because of opinions like this, they might end up taking kahn and goro out", that I am sure isnt possible because we all know contracts have already been signed. Like I said, this is a rough draft and I am looking for some more imput. My solution to have a booster disk is one that I would reword. What I ment was, it would be one that would be made available a few months after the GC version is out just so that Midway can make the money they want to make.

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•12/23/2004 07:43 AM (UTC) •

The PS1 version of Mk Trilogy had more characters than the N64 version (goro, kintaro, playable shao kahn and motaro, classic raiden, classic jax, classic kano, classic kung lao, and some others i believe). Who got the shaft there?
The PS1 version of MK mythologies: Sub-zero had FMV sequences to tell the story. The N64 version had crappy still frames and some text. Even though the game wasn't that great, cool mk content was taken out of N64 version. I know it's because of limited cartridge space, but still, it was missing from that version entirely.
There have infact always been differences between console versions of past MK games. Did the N64 get MK4: gold? Or any other console for that matter? No. Only dreamcast got that i believe. I've never played it because i never had a dreamcast, so i never got to play as Sektor in 3D, or kitana/mileena/baraka/cyrax/kung lao before MKDA came out.
The sega genesis version of MK2 had a secret "Fergality" move accessible with a cheat menu. The sega genesis version of MK1 required a cheat code to enable blood. The N64 version of MK trilogy featured THREE fatalities for scorpion (i don't know if it's the same for other versions as well). The sega genesis version of MK2 had Three fatalities for shang tsung, again, i'm not sure if it's the same in other versions, you get get my point. The N64 version of MK Trilogy had fatalities for Motaro and Shao Khan (head rip for motaro and hammer-pound-explode-thingy for khan).
Something's always going to turn out different when you have the time to look at your game and make some logical changes to it for another system. In the Gamecube's case, they decided they could give GC players a measely 2 extra characters to compensate for getting the game several months late (that must be bad enough for them), and not having the online mode (which is the one thing that will keep the game going for a looong, long time and keep it from getting repetitive).
I myself happen to have a gamecube, and i'll atleast rent MKD to check out Khan and goro, but that's about all since having 2 more characters isn't going to keep me around long enough to buy the game.
As for your letter, i think it's very well written and contains intelligent comments and points that should atleast be thought about in the future if not considered as a reason for acting on something now. Companies need to stop doing all this "one version exclusive!" crap and plan the game out from the beginning to be the same on all versions. It shouldn't be a PS2 game, it shouldn't be an XBOX game, it shouldn't be a Gamecube game, it should be a Mortal Kombat Game.

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•12/23/2004 08:00 AM (UTC) •

Well said. i if all versions were equal like 25% of all interent fights would scese. but people want money. money rules this world. i won;t go all hippie on eveyone but i do hate money for that very reason. i think the booster disk thing is the best solution. unfortunatly noones ever gonna be happy and even if we got a second disk people would go "fuck now i have o dish out 40 bucks to get extra stuff GC'ers got free" humm. i just made my self depressed :( still best of luck to ya with the letter bro.

at least your useing viable reasons. peace.

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•12/23/2004 08:03 AM (UTC) •

I totally see your point about there always being some differance betweent consoles, however all the major ones, like the MKM N64 endings and the N64 MKT lack of characters were all because once system had more power than another. N64 couldnt handle the content which ment the PSX versions had a clear advantage. In situations like that I understand, however with next gen systems the are all pretty even and can all contain these "extra" content. Do you understand what I am saying? BTW, thx for the kind words about the letter.

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•12/23/2004 08:12 AM (UTC) •

I think a booster disc would be great. But with only 2 characters? There cant be more stuff then unfair to GC.. Unless released on all systems. That would be cool.

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•12/23/2004 08:15 AM (UTC) •

Yes most of the major changes were system restrictions, but not quite entirely. The gamecube has less than half the space on its discs than the ps2 and xbox, yet they're fitting extra content onto it and still keeping the rest of the game intact? I don't think having a few extra fatalities will overload the disc/cartridge, yet some versions get stuff that the others didn't.
Nintendo's advantage has always been superior graphics and short loading times, but their downfall has always been a lack of adequate space on their storage mediums, and lack of support for major peripherals *ahem* decent online play.
Sony's advantage has always been the fact that their systems basically play everything from your ps1 disc to your music cd to your movie dvd to your mom's uncle's brother in law's ham sandwich, but their downfall has been reduced graphical quality, much larger loading times, and general lack of speed and fluidity.
Midway got Deadly Alliance right in keeping it all the same for each system and releasing them at the same time, giving everyone an equal experience.
The main reason i think this whole situation is coming up is because Deception was designed to be an Online fighter, and gamecube was obviously singled out of the equation from the very beginning due to nintendo's lack of major online support.

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•12/23/2004 08:30 AM (UTC) •

bad letter. It makes you say.. "take out the extras in the cube version, because Nintendo doesn't have online play." Lets not even think about online play right now... so the ps2 and xbox people got the game 5 months in advance before the cube. OK... so people are upset that the cube is getting extras? How so?. theres a 5 month gap. So they're adding extras... to attract people to purchase the product. Who wants the same game, for another system anyways? How do you think the cubers felt when we heard "no MKD for Cube" some x amount of months ago? Lemme tell you... that SUCKED. I ended up purchasing a PS2 so I could play MKD, even tho I did hear it was coming out for the cube much later. So in the end, the cube is getting extras NOT only because it is losing online play, BUT also because its coming out 5 months later. It also won't have the kollectors disc either.
One more thing... if you send this letter to midway, you might as well send it to every other company. Midway is doing what every other company does. When a game is released for another system, much later... there is always gonna be some extra(s). Its happend in Medal of Honor Frontline, Viewtiful Joe, will happen for Resident Evil 4, Godzilla Destroy all Monsters Melee, blah blah blah. Companies do this tactic all the time. Get use to it. And why should Midway be any different?

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•12/23/2004 08:47 AM (UTC) •

good letter.. sadly it wont be seen by boon.

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•12/23/2004 09:47 AM (UTC) •

hmm, im for and against your letter, and the subject in general
for exclusive content - on one hand im happy about the fact that the gamecube version is getting exclusive content, as my brother will be getting it on the GC so ill be able to play.
against - im less bitter about the fact that theyre "rewarding" the GC's lack of online capabilities, the thing that im annoyed about is that, despite having the abilitiy to go online with my xbox (ie, i have an xbox) i doubt i ever will, so my XBOX is in the same pit as GC, ie no online capabilities.
What im trying to say is that im bitter that GC got the content on the grounds of lack of online capability, because just because the xbox and ps2 have online capabilities, it doesnt mean the people that own them do.

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•12/23/2004 09:50 AM (UTC) •

I hate people like you CAMK.
I have waited 2 months since Deception came out to hear news of the GCN game. I have waited because I can't afford to buy another system. I will probably wait another 2 months before the game comes out. On top of this I won't get online play, so fucken what, I probably can't afford it anyway.
NOW you have the nerve to write to Midway and complain to them??? What about us Nintendo owners getting the raw deal on this? It's the least they can do to make it up to us! We're lucky to get anything at all!!!!
Stop wasting your (and Midway's) time and be happy. Go hire it if you're that desperate but don't try and ruin it for me and other Gamecube owners.

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•12/23/2004 11:17 AM (UTC) •

I've said this before, and I'll say it one more time.
There are a small number of gamers out there, who are Mortal Kombat fans, and ONLY own a Gamecube...and this is for them.
I own a PS2 and a Gamecube. To me, adding bonus characters, isn't more for the lack of online capability, it's more to make up for the fact that Mortal Kombat: Deception...has passed us by. We're no longer playing Mortal Kombat: Deception right now...we're all playing Metroid Prime 2, Grand Theft Auto: SA, Metal Gear Solid 3, Halo 2...now, we sometimes dabble in MK: D...but this is a busy, busy time, for games...SO many good options out there...the basic moral is...MK: D is no longer hot...and it's Decemember...just a mere 2 months after the initial release of MK: D.
Now...if you're a gamecube owner...you have to watch PS2 and X-box owners, master the moves, see all the fatalities, complete konquest mode, see EVERY ending, unlock all the unlockables, discover the location of the unlockables, alternate costumes, unlock EVERYTHING in the krypt...while the gamecube owner, who LOVES Mk...sits idly by...waiting for their version...now...they're in the minority...but they do exist...there are people who love MK, and ONLY own a gamecube.
The life of a game is not long...games get hot and cold in a matter of weeks, days even.
Are you telling me, that on that release day, for MK: D (10/4, I believe)...that if Ed Boon said..."Here's the deal...you can have the game now, as is....OR...you can wait about 6 months or so, for an undetermined release date, for an MK game that MIGHT have some extra content, and no online play"
I think, on that day, not ONE of us PS2, or X-box owners would have chosen "I'll wait 6 months"....the anticipation was simply too high.
However, the other side of the coin is...it's not about rewarding Gamecube owners, or giving Nintendo a boost...it's about boosting Midway sales.
As the fans who love MK and have ONLY a gamecube are in the minority...the MK fans who own a PS2, or X-Box, ALONG with a gamecube are DEFINITELY in the majority....so why not make two MK games...virtually identical...however, adding 2 characters to the edition that's produced later?
Don't blame Nintendo...it's all midway. This is their oppurtunity to milk MK: Deception for a few more hundred thousand units sold. They're preying on an MK fan like myself, that owns a PS2, and gamecube...who already has their copy of MK: D for the PS2...and they're saying "How can we milk this shlep for more money? I GOT IT!!!!! We'll put Shao Kahn in the game...he seems to be the most desired among the fan base at this point!"....
In the end, I find your letter as sour grapes...because i just don't think you would have sacraficed MK: Deception as is, on 10/4, to wait 6 months, to play a POSSIBLY superior version of MK: D...I know I wouldn't have.
However your blame is slightly misdirected as well...this was more of a Midway scheme than anything else...Nintendo not giving their players the ability to play online had very little to do with this....it's more about the wait...for MK fans who only own a gamecube...and it was more about midway wanting to milk the MK majority for a few more bucks...so even if your letter WAS right, in my opinion....it matters little, because it was midway who orchestrated all of this from the beginning. The only message they would receive, is if we got angry, and didn't buy their games...but I can admit, I know that will never happen.

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•12/23/2004 11:42 AM (UTC) •

Sour grapes is right.
I agree with the points here fully. However, your letter sounds like youre first licking Midway's ass, and then begging for some consideration, instead of just asserting what you want straight out. think theyll care? Why should they? You have to be straight with what you want. You stil might not get it, but at least you dont come off sounding like a pansy.

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•12/23/2004 02:44 PM (UTC) •

Mortal Kombat Deceprion is a very popular game. I shall not leave it on the shell because of some stupid MGS3, GTA SA, and Halo2 (even if I had Xbox, I hate first-person shooters). And, like many others, I hate it, that gameube has two cool exclusive characters, just because they don't have online play. I hate playing online. I shall never play online, so for me, this option is simply useless. But two new characters....... Dammit..... I want it. I do have Gamecube and let's pretend that there will be a PAL release. BUT: didn't you guys ever thought that Midway is gonna release anothe one new MKD version (smt like MK Platinum) for PS2 and Xbox nest year with Goro, Shao Kahn and plus more secret characters? I'm think there's a possibility. They said, they were gonna release new MK game every year, right? So, MKD this year, MKSM next year, but MKSM is doomed to fail due to awful graphics. It's gonna be another MKSF. What'll they do next? They can't create a MK7 on PS2 this would be stupid even for Midway. So, in order to get more money, they'll create somekinda MK: platinum. Wait till 2006, and you'll see. The hard times coming. The times between two game systems are always hard. PS2 in 2006 is gonna be too old, and PS3 isn't gonna be released yet. So, this is when Midway'll want to get make some money.....

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•12/23/2004 04:02 PM (UTC) •

You've got it half-right. Nintendo does share some responsibility. This is also about the GameCube version of MKDA being the least-selling of the three console versions last year, and what can they do to change that. People who had both a GameCube and one other system for MKDA probably would have picked the other system over the Cube, well, they need to make sure that doesn't happen for MKD. Some people may end up buying both versions, just to get the full taste of the game, but I think many people have been doing that from day one (How many people have both the PSX and N64 versions of MKT, or have MK Gold in addition to MK4?). Selling MK on GameCube is a huge risk for Midway, because they have to worry if they're going to be able to sell enough copies to make it worth it. I really don't think that they need to start worry about pissing off people who don't own GameCube now when they never had to worry about stuff like this before, and has been pointed out, other companies don't seem to have to worry about it either.

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However, the other side of the coin is...it's not about rewarding Gamecube owners, or giving Nintendo a boost...it's about boosting Midway sales.
Don't blame Nintendo...it's all midway. This is their oppurtunity to milk MK: Deception for a few more hundred thousand units sold. They're preying on an MK fan like myself, that owns a PS2, and gamecube...who already has their copy of MK: D for the PS2...and they're saying "How can we milk this shlep for more money? I GOT IT!!!!! We'll put Shao Kahn in the game...he seems to be the most desired among the fan base at this point!"....

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•12/23/2004 05:07 PM (UTC) •

yea, but wen u think about it havin online gameplay on MKD on xbox + PS2 makes it last MUCH longer. having a few extra karacters or watever is being put into the GC version of MK wuld give the game about 30 mins longer lifespan to complete it wit them, see their fatalities or watever. after u complete MKD once with a character, its pointless to do it again, whilst with online, u can play different people of different levels and also with frends for fun or to try and be no.1 at chess kombat in the UK (like me! HOORAY! no. 1 WOO!) id rather hav that than a few more characters, cus its dam good fun and just makes the game last so much longer

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•12/23/2004 05:15 PM (UTC) •

Okay, I know I'm in the minority here, but I just don't care. If I want to play as Goro/Kahn, I'll just play Trilogy (which was much better than Deception anyway). I can't believe anyone feels cheated. Several months and online play really means less to you than 2 fucking characters? 2 characters that will most likley be totally overpowered and beak the game further.
Besides, it's not like this is some evil money-making move like many of you make it out to be. 2 new characters aren't going to make much difference in MKD's GC sales. As pointed out before, MKDA had it's poorest sales on the Gamecube, such will be the same in MKD's case. Especially without online, which was Midway's biggest hook with D.
In short, MKD will suck no matter what console it's on, and no amount of new characters will change that.

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•12/23/2004 06:55 PM (UTC) •

]{0MBAT Wrote:
You suck.

Couldn't have put it better.

As for wahts in the letter, I cannot agree with you. Playstation2 and X-box dominate the gaming market, they have hundreds of game titles between them and the Gamecube is highly underrated. I own an X-Box and GC and I must say there is not much a difference between the two in terms of graphics. And you hear people complain about the games being tow sappy. Mortal Kombat Deadly Aliiance got on it. Eternal Darkness got on it. Resident Evil got on it. And when GC owners are rewarded for their patience with two characters, PS2 and X-Box owners have to whine and complain. Not only did they get the game first, they also got online play. This is Midways way of balancing it out between the versions. In my opinion, I hope GC owners get their characters and I hope they enjoy them. And that X-Box and PS2 owners can be mature enough not to complain because they didn't get everything that was in MKD. You got 24 characters and online play, just let GC owners have their 26 in peace. Besides, if you got Shao Kahn and Goro, I know for a fact that there would be a thread here complaining about them.

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