It would have to be a large and highly detailed book. Also, it MUST clear up large plotholes such as Shinnok's Amulet and Scorpion's seemingly retconned story as well as Shaolin Monks' abomination of a story.

well umm that is sad

I appreciate your clarifications in some of your points. Thanks. But sorry, I'm still going to elaborate on your posts, because you keep contradicting yourself and you seem to be far from stopping. You also proved to me many things with just the few things you managed to reply from my huge post.



Seriously, you made a huge mistake by generalizing and making your response sound as an arrogant attack that was directed at me. Even now you are contradicting yourself.

No offense, but if you really hate arrogance, your post proved other wise, it was very arrogant in all aspects. If you really hate it, why did you even talk/write like that?

And like I said, you *were* putting words that I never said. Maybe, I can believe that it wasn’t your intention, for you tell me that some of the stuff you posted was not directed at me.

That part ruined your entire post because whether it was your intention or not, it sounds like you are being a hypocrite and making erroneous assumptions, because all you did was practically type how “stupid” (yes, you didn’t say it directly, but read your post man, the arrogance in it screams otherwise!) we were by affirming we (and *I*) only say “omg, I hate the mk team” or “omg, I hate midway” or “omg, they disappointed us”...seriously mkf. That didn’t even make sense because my posts are, in all aspects, NOTHING like that.

If you were **just** referring about that people who talk like that, then your response shouldn’t had been as impertinent as it was towards me.



You talk about how much you hate that sort of posts, your entire post was in a big way based on those feelings, and you crucified me AS IF I ever typed liked that. THEN you say you respect fans opinions that are actually constructive and written in “mature fashion”, so what the hell do you want to say? Who do you really respect if you don’t respect what you say you respect? Yes, you contradicted yourself because you were doing otherwise. Talking to me as if I was like those complainers makes you dumb. No offence. You say it wasn’t your intention, but again, that’s what you wrote. That’s why I keep telling you to think before you post.

You say you have to “laugh seriously” when you see that kind of posts, that’s a lie. From the other side it all looks like it irritates you so much that you take it personally, and it even looks like you auto proclaimed yourself “MK, Midways and MK’s Team defender”.

You take it so offensively, with such anger, that you start making posts like the ones above, contradicting yourself, making erroneous assumptions, “without wanting to” you lie and insult people, and in the end, you come off as an arrogant or egotistical “fanboy”.

Saying that “Midway fails again, Midway sucks or the Mk Team suck” is NOT arrogant or ignorant. See how you contradict yourself? You are basing your opinion as a fact that excludes the proper use of literal concepts with precise words that have real significance in what you are trying to say. It makes you look ignorant.

How does that make people arrogant or ignorant? YOU ARE the one who is saying that “Midway is in charge”, so what the hell do you want already? If Midway is in charge then everyone has the right to say “Midway fails again”. Because it has failed so many times that people have noticed (even the ones who pretend they don’t), people have said it, and will continue till they deliver what is being promised to the real fans. Second, everyone has the right to say “Midway sucks” or the “Mk Team sucks” if they want to because THEY HAVE reasons to support this OPINION, and even if they don’t have good reasons, it’s their OPI NION. From what I have seen in this entire thread, there is absolutely NO ONE that disserves to be called an ignorant or arrogant person by you, no one, because even the ones who only wrote a 3 words sentence post to share their disappointment and discomfort, they have practically stated their reasons very well in the past and present. And that’s what angers you.

Sorry MKF, but it looks like one way or the other you will try to prove that everyone who shows disappointment is “wrong” and “shouldn’t be disappointed”. You continue to do this by posting that excuse of “MK8 is being done and they should focus 100% in it”. Sure that’s what we all want, you don’t need to remind us that that should be their priority, we all know it. But even if that’s the case, its not good enough to make the fans forget how badly they all failed; you keep stating that as if that excuse was good enough to make fans “forget”, “appreciate” and “ignore” the many things and errors they (Midway, Mk Team and everyone else or whatever) committed when they delivered the rushed, incomplete and messed up product they delivered.

Open your eyes, even if Midway is in charge, that doesn’t mean it’s their entire fault as well. Do you honestly think the MK Team is perfect? You say you know the games are not perfect and have their faults, though you express your opinion about the MK Team as if it were a fact that they are NOT responsible for anything bad that’s done and not being done to the MK games. As if they didn’t have any faults or anything to hear from us. You keep trying to stop people from saying stuff against them as if they were saints or perfect. You might not believe it, but you show a very different attitude when it comes to proving it.



Yeah, we know that’s how you feel, the problem is, that even now, that part of your post is completely irrelevant and unnecessary, because if you are talking TO me, why the hell bring that crap from the trash unless you have a very good reason? You used it to prove a point, to excuse your attitude, but makes no sense because unless you are stating “for a fact” that I'm like those fans and that it makes *ME* look silly, then you had no need for that. If only you had phrased it well...but even now it’s difficult to see if you are talking against me or against the “fake fans”. And to you, who really are this “fake fans”? (No, not talking nor asking for names) Because as much as you say otherwise, it still sounds like everyone who has an opinion, or anyone who has to say one tiny bad thing about Mk, is a fake fan.



See? That’s something you could had expressed better in your previous posts, but when you write what you wrote saying you were not talking to me, but directly towards the “fake mk fans”, then you just ruined yourself because it all comes to sound contradictory and like an offensive attack.



Oh...God. You need to be slapped.

*mkf is slapped*

Seriously. “Don’t put word in my mouth nor assume” is what I have been telling you forever. Now you use that as a response to the very person who is trying to let you see your errors? Yeah, you didn’t say “shut up”, and yes, I “misunderstood you completely”, and yes, you “are not arrogant”, you “hate arrogance”...but its not my nor anyone’s fault that what you wrote sounds completely different from what you are saying you wrote.

You must understand that you what you write is confusing and annoying because you keep contradicting yourself, and when trying to make a point you don’t make sense because you do it the wrong way.



No, you big liar, you didn’t say that. THIS is what you said:

MKF said:***well let me ask you something man, do you think you can honestly do a better job? Let's see the fans like you write and come up with a better then what we already have, please do. Because I seriously doubt no offense that you can write something or anyone else on here that "hates the MK bios" then John Vogel.

See how rude and contradictory you are? Understand why I call you a hypocrite? Do you see that the reason I respond to your posts with accuracy is to show you what things you are saying are wrong, and why people “miss most of what” you are saying?

Again, is it our fault you keep contradicting yourself and that we “misunderstood” you? First you say one thing, and then you say something else. I can elaborate very much and will post every single detail I can not to make you look stupid nor to make you look bad, I don’t need to do that nor want to, I do it because you are making yourself look bad, and because you fail to see what are the errors you committed when posting what you posted.

Don’t insult my intelligence.

I can brag about my knowledge and awards in the filed of literature and writing, not to sound arrogant but trust me, I know very well what I’m talking about, and so do many excellent writers around here (remember I'm a HUGE fan of the storyline), but I just don’t need to because it’s not necessary. And anyways, I'm very happy with John Vogel’s amazing work, which I have thanked him for many times and have never stated I can do better then him (another thing that’s extremely unnecessary and egotistical to do).

John Vogel you rock!!!!!



Really? Read above and see how immature you were when contradicting yourself. You wrote two very different things, and that’s another fact for you.



Not true.

If it took you long or little time to understand why MKD was as horrible as everyone claimed it was (even though you defended the game at that time) is beyond our discussion. You only started to agree that the game was bad when MKA was being released with all the news of “parries” and improved gameplay, etc. On gameplay, it was you the one who kept saying constantly and nonstop how MKA was better then the past two (MKDA and MKD), so we should be really grateful that the gameplay was improved. People even told you to shut it because they were offended that what you were basically saying was (this is in their words) that just because MKA was better but still crap we should be happy (gameplay wise). Which is a very mediocre attitude. I remember those threads.

It is arrogance whether its “fact from experience” or not because one way or the other you phrased your words bad enough for me and others to see it as arrogance. And seeing you say this stuff makes you come off as an arrogant because, whether you remember it or not, you kept saying very different things from those I quoted for a long time.



Please elaborate. What reasons that I listed are not true or misguided? The facts I posted are facts and if you are this blind not to see them as facts then you are a big fanboy.

This is, of course, if we are talking about those facts I listed, if not, what are *you* talking about?

I didn’t say MKA is worse then MKD gameplay wise so I don’t get your point. I told you we knew that and it really takes no genius to admit it. And yes, MKA was an improvement, maybe not as huge but a good improvement from MKD, I also agree with that so I see nothing that is a misguided reason in my posts. While I don’t play at high level and still have much to learn, I think I know quite enough about the three games to know what I'm talking about. All I said is the truth, I ignore what makes MKDA better then MKA gameplay wise, and I said that you might be correct. Another truth I said is that it was you who kept saying for ages that MKA was better then MKDA (and MKD), and now you say different, and I must add, you say “you learned really fast” what the problems of MKD were...did you learn that MKDA is better then MKA just as “fast”?

Because it took you long to say a word that was negative about MKDs gameplay, and remember you got really upset with the fans just because they hated the gameplay that you defended very much, the overall game actually.

MKD to me, is a more beautiful and complete game then MKA will ever be despite its horrible gameplay. While MKA is more fun and balanced in gameplay, its just not a real mk game. Only a few things are beautiful...very few. MKA was extremely rushed and incomplete. That’s a fact.



LOL! If I showed any accusations is because YOU were the one who started the silly erroneous assumptions AND accusations (I'm not even getting into your contradictions and lies or arrogance). I even had the “distinguished politeness” to ask you if it would be correct, judging from your statements, if I started calling you what I called you. I even asked. And if you remember correctly, it was you the one who wrote your posts above and made them a fest of contradictory statements so I don’t see how that’s my fault.



Sorry but last time you might had “criticized them” for things must had been when you were forced to do so during MKD and MKA. That’s it. You rarely post anything bad about them that’s constructive, you never post anything bad about them overall, because all the time, you keep saying that the bad things are trivial or that you like them (the bad things) while most don’t.

You keep saying “trivial trivial trivial”, but I will keep saying: “hypocrite hypocrite hypocrite”.

While I can see how “trivial” this can be to you because it’s best and convenient if it’s trivial anyways because of how much it sucked (convenience), it doesn’t mean it’s trivial in general and shouldn’t be taken into consideration. It’s only trivial when a big deal is made about “X not having X weapon”, but from all the posts I had seen concerning weapons, if people were disappointed because of any weapon or style, they showed their discomfort because they had the right to do so, and many many of them didn’t start saying: “I hate Mk because Sindel has no X”. Remember the Sektor discussion? Most people were discontented with him having Kenpo, even the huge fans, and while some were exaggerating the majority, despite their discomfort, did not act like stupid fans.

Your “weapon” statement is in complete essence unnecessary and irrelevant concerning me or my posts, but understandable if you were referring about the other fans who did exaggerate.

But all your post makes you worthy of another slap because you sound very fake and like a hypocrite.

I'm sick of explaining this to you so here goes another example. You said a characters bio being disappointing is trivial, well, that makes you a complete hypocrite because you are not considering the fans opinions about something, you are not respecting it by calling it trivial and making it sound as if you had the last word or the better judgment.

Just because you pretend to love all the bios doesn’t mean everyone else should, and therefore, just stay quiet if a bio is disappointing because:

1.- Its trivial.
And
2.- You bet we cant write anything better then Vogel.

Also, judging from your post, can I assume you didn’t like someone’s bios? Or are you telling me all of them were perfect for you? It would suck if we started attacking you because you think that most of what the Mk team does is perfect, wouldn’t it? So you should learn to stop attacking fans who think that not everything they or Midway do is perfect.

Again, you stated that you don’t think the game is perfect, we know that, but you state otherwise when saying stuff like that and this:

You said:***All I'm saying is that people should try to develop a more constructive, mature way of criticism instead of just posting "Midway fails again, Midway sucks or MK team sucks" yet do you know how incredibly arrogant and ignorant that sounds Queve? Honestly, I don't think you do. First of all when I see posts like "MK team lied" ummm, hello...Midway is in charge NOT the MK team, as I said earlier they don't call the shots, Midway does. MK team WORKS for Midway.

Did you really liked everyone’s bio? Or do you just **pretend to like them** because it’s convenient to do so? Please take note that I'm ASKING you a question, I'm not accusing you of anything nor being sarcastic.

Funny you refrain from talking about fatalities, did you like those too? Because I don’t remember you saying anything against them...ever. And if you are a real mk fan, you know fatalities are very very important, and you should know why despite the “innovate idea”, the new system was only a very sad excuse not to have all characters have 1 single original fatality...then you know the story is also very very very important. Wouldn’t you?

I don’t think the exaggerated number of fans who complain would be complaining if MKA had delivered those promises or at least a rather amazingly improved gameplay, because, like I said, even if its fun and way better then the last game, its in no way, that much good, because many still complain, except for a few who are always pleased. You should learn to note that if many people complain about the same thing, then its for a good reason, not just because they woke up and decided to “jump on the wagon” along side the first and second people who started to complain.

I don’t complain about gameplay in MKA because I'm happy they improved it, but that doesn’t mean I find it “extremely fun” or that enjoyable to still be playing. So I say what I can regarding that subject, that’s constructive and useful.



No, all you are still saying is that any fan who has a bad opinion about Mk is basically wrong. You probably don’t mean to do so, but you do, because you keep insisting on how wonderful it is compared to other fighters. Sure we are pleased it’s a better story then the rest, but that doesn’t mean we all have to be the satisfied conformist you are and “just be pleased” with a rushed product just because its better then something else.

That’s mediocre. A very sad attitude, a very prejudicial way of thinking. Being mediocre is not good, at all.

And who the hell has said that a characters costume or something like that is their #1 priority now that MK8 is on the works? You keep saying stuff like that to prove your point, but it’s not proving anything.



Just because they are more important doesn’t mean they are unimportant. If you were the real mk fan you claim yourself to be, then it wouldn’t be so hard to understand why the story of this wonderful game is so important despite you calling it “trivial”. For once, you sound like a casual fighter fan, not a real Mortal Kombat fan.



I took most of what you said personally because you:

1.- Made the terrible mistake to direct your opinion about others as if I was like them
2.- Make lies or erroneous assumptions about the statement of things I never said
3.- You were throwing your petulant discontent about others towards me
4.- You called me in many ways stupid, ignorant, trivial, silly and many other things with your arrogance.
5.- You keep contradicting yourself in a way that makes people doubt if you are being either silly or a hypocrite

And A: yes you did call me stupid without wanting to when you write stuff that makes you sound as if your words were the actual fact and that my opinions (and others) are wrong and trivial. You also called me stupid when you said I said the stupid things I never said, such as generalizing (like you are doing in this very quote I'm responding, and I will elaborate so don’t worry) and saying I am like “those fans”, etc, without getting into more detail about it, you also called me stupid when you stated that I cant write anything decent...just because I happen to have an opinion.

B: No, again you contradict yourself, that’s not what you said, you basically said what I quoted above:

MKF said:***well let me ask you something man, do you think you can honestly do a better job? Let's see the fans like you write and come up with a better then what we already have, please do. Because I seriously doubt no offense that you can write something or anyone else on here that "hates the MK bios" then John Vogel.

Now, you say: “in general a lot of people on here or elsewhere that are quick to judge in a few sentences without an actual reasonable explanation is seriously a joke to me.”

Well, what about the many many many MANY MANY MANY etc. others who actually respond to that with a very reasonable and enjoyable explanation, are they a joke to you? Because they are very unlike you, who happen to think all the bios are great and don’t post anything constructive or useful, instead you just criticize those who are brave enough to say why they dislike something about MK or a bio or the story, etc.



We all respect “personal preferences” or at least should try to do so.

If you are aware that it’s your opinion what makes you find all the games enjoyable, then you should also be aware that even if you know what games are better from a gameplay point of view, that it doesn’t necessarily mean you are correct about Mk being enjoyable. Because from your posts, you are calling all of us ungrateful for not being pleased with the errors or mistakes and not “enjoying” the game “like we should”, saying we should be happy and grateful for what we got, despite the mediocrity, period.

That’s conformism and I don’t want it.



If you really can understand that they wont be able to please all fans, why do you criticize those who are not pleased and express their discontent with “mature fashion”? If you can understand Midway, why not the fans?

In short, that post is just fully contradictory.

We are all aware they wont please every single fan, but you need to understand that the reason a vast number of fans seem to be always unpleased is because they all fail to deliver their promises. And everyone knows this and is sick of it. You, along side a few others, seem to just not care to be fooled because you have a lot of faith in MK and the team and Midway, good for you, but respect the ones who are actually tired of all that crap.

Despite the flaws, I have always happened to enjoy and “forgive” all Mk games, but it was MKA what really slapped its real fans in such way that it was actually the first and only MK game I felt was truthfully and sadly: a mess. I felt insulted for the first time.

As rushed as MKDA and MKD were, and even though they failed to deliver MANY of their promises in both games, I still managed to appreciate everything they did and they all disserve respect, (even with MKDs horrible gameplay, it was beautiful!)...but MKA!? I show respect for their work and the few pretty things they did like the amazing vs screens, the awesome music, the bios, conquest, the arenas...and a few more, but it’s three times in a row we are messed up, and that game was a mess.

You can find excuses all you want for the story, the fatalities, the costumes, the bios, the endings, the gameplay, the entire game, etc., but it just doesn’t change the fact that even if its opinion that someone “liked the fatalities or not”, that THAT is not trivial, nor the stories, and the fact and real reason behind the lack of stories and the lack of real fatalities among many other “trivial” things.



That’s the problem, YOU SEE those posts, you assume stuff about those posts, you alone get very upset about those posts. Just because I or others complain about something we don’t like doesn’t mean we complain as if Midway or the team was the only company that never delivers. If you take it like that, then it’s your problem. That part of your post was well until I reached that.

I understand what you mean about the other games, but we are talking about Mk. And I don’t care if other companies don’t please their fans! JUST BECAUSE there happens to be more like Midway doesn’t mean we should all be conformists and mediocre MKF, it doesn’t mean we should just learn to accept mediocrity because there happens to be more mediocre companies.

I feel like I'm a mother teaching her child. Like if I was telling you: “I don’t care if Kelly’s mother allows him to eat that much candy, you are my son so I won’t allow it!” or like you were saying: “Why can’t I go out and play? Kelly’s mom lets him!” and I respond: “Well, I'm your mother, and I don’t want you to get sick in the middle of this rain! I'm not Kelly’s mother.”

In short: “No darling, just because Kelly’s mother allows her to play first and not do her homework doesn’t mean I will give you that permission to be mediocre”.



Good examples, but not correct. We are not demanding perfection, I am not demanding perfection. You should know by now that what the majority of the fans complain is about the rushed and ruined products they have been delivered, sold to us with many unfulfilled promises, etc.

Just because those other companies are that bad, doesn’t mean Midway should be like that, or that it is OK for Midway to be like that because the others are worse or the same.

You see how mediocre that sounds?



You said it yourself, SOMETIMES.

For once you are being honest and saying “some fans” and not “the majority” like you keep saying all the time, assuming that the majority of fans that are displeased, are “those kind of fans”, the minority who are stupid and ignorant to the fact that no matter what, “no game can be perfect”.

SOMETIMES. Not always, not the majority, but only SOME.

So, if we agree with this, you should know that the majority who complain have very good reasons to do so. Wouldn’t you? Unless you want to contradict this statement with something else, you should know what you are talking about.



I understand MKF, and I know it’s annoying, but you said it yourself: SOME people say that.

A vast majority has very good reasons to elaborate on why they are so displeased and angry at Mk and the company...and even if they say “screw mk”, they have very good reasons to say it. You see? They are all tired of the same crap being done over and over again.



Just now you are making that clear, but still, you contradict yourself when saying the stuff you said above. See why is such a mistake to generalize? While you are referring to that general stupid public, you were still talking to me as if I was like them, and talking in a way that makes people think that whatever crap they post about Mk, they are also stupid even if they don’t post it in “negative fashion”.



You are only partially correct.

Even though most of them were assholes to you, and some to mko, not all of them were ignorant or stupid of Mk just because they were fans of other fighters! If anything, they knew very well what they were talking about.

I remember quite well their posts, and even if some knew what they were talking about when saying crap that angered you about mk (they had very good points), I agree they were idiots and disserved to be banned because of their rudeness and constant warnings. If you are still here it’s because you were smart and mature enough not to lower yourself to their ignorant level despite their constant rudeness that was *sometimes* justified (some people are just not as patient or tolerant to others as some others can be), and I defended you for that among other things and consider you brave.

But just because you weren’t banned doesn’t mean you know more then them about MK. I hope that makes sense, because you also need to know I have nothing against you.



I understand what you are saying, and trust me, I am aware. But this is away beside the point man. Are you really that sure that MOST fans grew up from the mid era? What makes you say that? The ignorant comments? Makes no sense if that’s your reason because I know some who grew up with Mk since the start, but that doesn’t make them bigger fans or wiser then those who started later. Though don’t get me wrong, I understand what you are trying to say.

I grew up with MK since day 1, in the arcades, and fell in love firstly and mostly because of the storyline (like other fans), which made me play it, and had fun with the gameplay and, hell, I enjoyed the violence with the once original fatalities, etc. But just because I started since day one doesn’t mean I know more then the rest. Some who started later might be even bigger fans! And they might know more.



But you *don’t* respect my views, you *do* understand me but at the same time you really disagree with *not* some, but many of my good and well detailed and elaborated reasons pertaining Mk, and honestly, it doesn’t sound like its fine to you at all, you ask for respect, but according to your posts above, you don’t give any respect in return.

Now, if I pretend to ignore all of what you said above thinking that it’s wrong because you made the mistake to phrase your thoughts wrongly, then I say: Thank you, and I will and do respect you, respect me as well and we will do just fine.



Do not make the mistake to confuse “firm with my views” with “stubbornness and obstinacy”.

No offense man, but that “firmness” of yours when it comes to your views about MK has made you stubborn in many ways. I admire that you defend your thoughts, but you should do so with fairness and an open mind.

You asked me above to be “more open minded” which was insulting considering how open minded I am, but now I ask you this: be more open minded about Mk in the future, and learn to accept (like you did in some posts above) that its only SOME fans who are in that stupid group of extreme idiots, but not everyone or the majority. So because of this logic, it means that the majority who are discontented have very good reasons to be discontented, and if the majority feels insulted by the team or midway, even if it sounds harsh, they have very good reasons and should be heard.

Don’t be stubborn MKF. Listen to the other fans the same way you want to be listened, and try to realize that what they complain about is true, and not just plain “opinion” or ignorance.



Thank you.

Now, am I jumping in the “anti-mk wagon” ***just*** because they can’t finish the bios? No, I'm not.

I'm I even in anything remotely close to “anti-mk”? No, I'm not.

I'm I upset and disappointed about the mistakes they have carried to us for so long and constantly? Yes, I am, and I will make sure that everyone knows what they are so we can discuss a way of how to make mk better, even if it’s a “waste of time because the team or midway don’t care because they dont read the boards”, its not a waste for the real fans who still care.

Those people who say the team or that midway don’t care, are partially correct, but also wrong if they think that’s 100% true. I for one know they care, but sometimes, they don’t truly show us they care. Get it?



Well, for the sake of not ending this huge response as if it were an attack, I will say nicely that if you want respect, you should learn to respect my views. Like I told you, in no way does it seem like you respect my views, even if you say you do, your posts above just state otherwise because of your contradictions and mistakes.

Remember that this is not my fault if it was not your intention, because you got more people, not just me, thinking you were being arrogant and etc, because of the way you phrased your thoughts.

Loads of love MKF,

Peace

Well, to be honest, I really didn't care that much about the bios to begin with. I mean, I stopped playing MK:A months ago, like 4 weeks after it was released, which is sad considering that even until this day, I'll still play MK:D and that was released in 2004. So yeah, MK:A is a huge load of shit, yadda yadda, yadda.

On a positive note, I'm happy to hear that the team is putting all their focus into MK:8. I mean, there's no way MK:8 can be worse than MK:A. At least I hope not. They can't afford to fuck it up with competition from Street Fighter 4, Tekken 6, Soul Calibur 4, Dead or Alive 5, and even Super Smash Brothers Brawl.



Thats true, but in my opinion, Dead or Alive is pretty damn close to being perfect. I'd have to say the same with Tekken and Soul Calibur. Yep, the MK team definitely needs to step their game up.

LOL! I love you queve. MKF is just simply a fan boy and a BIG one at that. You've just said pretty much exactly what I've wanted to say for a while I just haven't had the effort to. MKA is a load of crap, Midway is a load of crap. I loved MK to begin with and now, I HATE it. I joined this site because I liked it but I now don't because it sucks and it's not hard to realize that they did EVERYTHING half assed.

queve,no offense to you but if you are gonna single someone out then you should just PM them instead.But wow,i can not believe you had that much time to type that much over something so stupid and it is stupid.

Yeppers indeed.
I've been playing Tekken: DR and that's made MKA look sad. Step up the game Midway should.

@Sonic, don't worry about dude....everyone has their own views...lol, you see Sektorrulz post is exactly what I'm referring to but whatever....MKA is not half assed, apparently someone has no true concept of the gameplay. MKD was, MKA is not. It just plays bad online...not going to argue with pure ignorance... Not going to get into it, not worth it.....

LOL!!! Wow, isn’t that just a mixture of ironic stupidity?

(just in case man, I also dont have anything against you! please dont take any offense, Im just going to point out to you the things, same way I did to mkf...)

You just said: “if you are gonna single someone out then you should just PM them instead”...can you please explain to us all, what is it that you just did by posting that here, instead of sending a pm to me? Sorry, but that’s something that’s actually very stupid.

You could had at least said something constructive, then it would had been worthwhile to even read, but I will respond anyways:

If it is stupid then, no offense, I can’t believe you wasted your time reading it, and surely you wasted it because you seem like someone who was unable to comprehend the reasons and entire posts for that matter...and that is if you actually read the posts, which I doubt you did. If you did, then you obviously didn’t pay any attention, for you would had seen how the post was not a “single someone out” attack, but a general response to a very contradictory, insulting and *etc.* post that was directed at me in this very thread, and because of that, it is more then obvious that I can post it here if I feel like it.

And it seems you have forgotten so allow me to remember you, this is a forum discussion board, which means I have every right to respond to any post that was made in any thread about anything because I want to, and if I want to, I will not do it by PM, because my replies perfectly fit and apply to the rules. If mkf would have sent me a pm, then that would have changed things, but he obviously decided to post a response here, so let him face the consequences, it takes no genius to understand that.

So, why don’t you do what you preach? Instead of posting that empty "single out" post you could had sent me a pm, isn’t that what you are saying must be done?

No offense man, but the incongruous sense of your post is that it has no sense at all. And that’s something worth calling stupid. At least I elaborated and wrote decent replies.

Seeing as how the response was made in this thread more then once, I couldn’t care less about how stupid it could sound to you or anyone else, all I care about is responding and elaborating on how erroneous the previous posts were, which I managed, and the ones after those for that matter....something that wasn’t hard to do either.

And my response did not require as much time as you are thinking it did, but that isn’t even your business, so let me handle and worry about my time, thanks.

This is a forum discussion. It might do you well to remember.

No offense, but your post actually made me loose more time then writing my responses to mkf...

Peace man.

I will wait for a pm, that is, if you actually care to do what you preach this time.



Yeah, I don’t think you need any outside help to take in what I have to say, or anyone else for that matter.

And just so its perfectly clear, even though we all have our views, those responses, as you very well know, were to prove how wrong you were and how much contradictory crap you wrote, as well as responding to general mk facts and opinions.



Like King of Edenia, BloodSplatter and many more around here have already said...I agree. I love MK, and though for me is the best in many many things, I just dont know if we are safe from the same mistakes because of MKA. They better not do that again.



Love to you as well. And yeah, MKA was a huge dissapointment...the biggest actually.

Don't do it queve, he'll get you banned too. ;_;

On the bios. Well that was disappointing. And pointless.

The whole point of Armageddon was to wipe the slate clean, storyline wise. It has failed to do this on two points.

There were no bios. Bios (and the intro movie) were used to tell the story between games in Deadly Alliance and Deception. And it was quite a good one, seemingly building slowly to the arrival of "The One Being". But something happened to that plan and someone decided to do a "MK Trilogy 2" and make it a canonic game.

That shouldn't have been difficult. Up to Deception there were about 45 characters made and brought into the story. At the least, the characters from Deadly Alliance, Deception and Tournament Edition only really needed a small bio, seeing as they were already up to speed.

There was no "Final Ending". No even a smidgen of one. The closest we got was Taven's Konquest ending. And that was a "EVERYONE GOT EVEN STRONGER, BECAUSE THE ELDER GODS ARE FAIL!" ending.

We begs the point. What was the point of this game. Yes, it was nice seeing Sheeva and everyone else who tripped over and couldn't get up. But that wasn't the point.

Oh well. MK8 had better be shit hot now! I mean they killed off the Armageddon storyline for it!

Not really...but yeah, just a short message queve, A.you're beyond way off and B. If you or sektor rulz wishes to truley understand why the game works gameplay wise I'd be more then happy to teach both of you via xbox live.

Lots of love.

A. No mkf, sadly, you are.

B. LOL. This discussion was *never* really about the gameplay (you unnecessarily brought that up), which I have agreed is a great improvement. So, your point is...?....Find your answers and place, you are still entirely lost.

(edit: Never mind, I don’t want to end this discussion like that, honestly, I have nothing against you mkf.)

Lots of love.



Not at all, and I honestly don’t think that’s the kind of guy mkf is (Btw, that’s a horrible reputation to have!), no matter how wrong his previous posts were, the others who got banned were being (some of them) idiots to him. Some disserved it.

And like I said buddy, I'm free to post my opinion, views and corrections concerning anything that’s posted here or anywhere in a forum because, well, we all can as long as it applies to the rules.

As for MKA, I totally agree. Horrible indeed. Very disappointing.

Nope, sorry I base my facts off actual experience not after a day or two with the game.

That's the not the "point of MKA" storyline yes, but overall no. The point of it is also to improve gameplay from MKD in which it did easily.

Again you MUST realize that yes, there are the storyline fans but there's also twice as many "fightin game fans" in which they care about online play, gameplay and competition. Things that also make a game whole since you're unaware of that. NOT just storyline.

If you want just storyline, go read a book. MKA is not a horrible game, in fact it's the best 3D MK game in a lot of ways that has nothing to do with storyline. I'm happy with most of the bios, but understand nothing can be perfect.

Worst MK games made so far are MKD and MK4 easily.....

Actually, queve is neither ignorant nor apathetic in regards to the importance of gameplay. You must understand that this thread is NOT about the gameplay. It's about the discontinuation of MKA's bios, therefore, the outrage at the lack of proper closure to the storyline for this era. Bringing up the gameplay in this kind of thread doesn't help, because it's irrelevant to what the thread is about.

Although you are someone who plays online and knows quite a bit here and there about MK's gameplay, I personally think you're overrating MKA. It really was half-assed in many ways, not just the story. Its gameplay was half-assed. Its content was half-assed. Its overall quality of execution was most certainly half-assed.

Sure, MKA's overall gameplay is better than MKD's overall gameplay, namely due to the parries and wake up attacks along with certain characters being toned down and maybe some others being toned up. However, when looked at closely, it can be seen how poorly the execution of those things is. The parries are stiff and the animation is wrong. The wake up game is weak, because all of the moves are sidesteppable, and there is limited time to stay on the ground. Also, characters who should've been toned up (Cyrax comes to mind) weren't.

About the point of MKA, it's actually quite simple. The point of MKA was to wrap things up in this era, giving proper closure to it, and paving the way for the next era in Mortal Kombat. Guess what? It failed miserably. I'm not just talking about the story either. I'm also talking about how shallow the gameplay still was, how broken it was, how redundant it was.

Now, it of course must be understood that Boon and co. have to meet the deadline for completing and releasing the game. There are other issues like sorting out all 60+ characters. Now while I wasn't expecting a new gameplay system for MKA, it would've been nice for some of the gameplay errors to have been fixed and for the newly added gameplay bits (e.g. wake up game) to be implemented nicely.

Even though I'm not expecting perfection, it could've at least been done well enough. Unfortunately, that's not the case. Instead, the new gameplay elements make the gameplay both more and less broken. It all feels rather shallow and cheap.

But anyway, going back to the real topic at hand, it has to be understood as to why there'd be an uproar about the discontinuation of the bios. We were promised proper closure, and this game was supposed to wrap things up. It didn't. Hopefully MK can salvage itself through MK8, which sounds to be good from the ideas in mind. Unfortunately, there is the issue of how those ideas will be executed. That lies in the very problem that's been in MK for perhaps quite some time.

Lol so ASSUMING that you can beat us on this shit game means that you are right and that the gameplay must be good? Yeah okay nice back up :)

Are you really this blinded or do you just like the attention?

I wish we could beat your brain with a huge shovel that has a “Logic and Sense Encyclopedia” tied in it and written specially for you, no offense.

Stop the crap about the gameplay already! Thank God for Sub-Zero’s_7th post because he actually saved me a lot of time, but I wouldn’t be surprised if you still keep insisting about the irrelevant things you keep talking about in this discussion.

You keep trying sooo hard to find excuses for the horrible mistakes of MKA, you keep insisting on the same irrelevant and unnecessary bits of “good” things this game has when they have nothing to do with the topic at hand and the very fact that no matter what way you look at it: the game is screwed.

Like it or not mkf, no matter how much stuff you talk about how “wonderful” MkA’s gameplay is, you will never manage to make everyone suddenly change their minds and start saying: “Oh yeah, lets just ignore the fact that MKA was overall a screwed game because, well, the gameplay is sooo much better then MKD’s even though its still...well, whatever, its just better”.



Your constant erroneous assumptions just keep getting worse each day. But you are right in something, those are only “*your* facts”...so, I prefer to take into account the other many high level players who base their facts off actual experience because they are actually neutral concerning the game, their facts are not shadowed by their opinions. Considering they too are high level players, and most likely much better then you (though that doesn’t even matter), I guess their opinions about how ruined this game is are also valid, very valid indeed. I wonder why we have so many high level players out there and fans who also dislike this game very much?...Oh, that’s right, it must mean because they actually know what they are talking about. There has to be a reason.

Or is it pure coincidence? Lol.

Just for your information, it really doesn’t take any longer then 72 hours for real high level players to explore the entire gameplay mechanics of a game like MKA. Really, there isn’t much to explore anyways. What, did it take you a week to comprehend how “perfect” this game is? A month maybe?

Sorry mkf, but no matter how improved the gameplay is, or how playable it can be *compared* to MKD, its still the way it was when it first shipped. Nothing you say can change that. Your constant assurance of how good MKA is compared to MKD doesn’t make it a overall great game, and the fact that they improved the gameplay and ruined almost everything else that as a result made this game mediocre doesn’t make it a good MK game either.

And again, stop the gameplay crap for you are wastefully trying too hard to find excuses for the constant mistakes the team and midway have delivered for us for many years.

mkflegend Wrote:

That's the not the "point of MKA" storyline yes, but overall no. The point of it is also to improve gameplay from MKD in which it did easily.

Read this thread again and try to get through your brain what is the main discussion and point of this thread as well as peoples overall disappointment.

It was you the one who brought up “the improved gameplay” unnecessary crap when its entirely irrelevant to everyone’s frustration. And just by mentioning, *you* got others saying how crappy the gameplay is, and I'm talking about people who know about MKA’s gameplay mechanics very well.

And just because we are at it: the point of a game is overall work improvement, quality achievement and entire completion, three things that this game did not deliver for it was extremely rushed, therefore unfinished, and only a FEW things were actually taken into consideration for improvement, but overall: IT FAILED.

Understand that the majority that complains are also very sick about the fact that we always get unfinished and rushed MK games, with the repetitive “we run out of time” excuse everyone is sick of hearing.

I dislike your mediocre attitude very much, specially when you say stuff like “the point was to improve the gameplay from MKD”, implying its ok they screwed and forgot about everything else. If anything, the point was also to make the best Mk game possible, not just something better then MKD.



So, me saying MKA’s gameplay is not as good as you say it is and stating the perfectly obvious for even the brainless about the facts of the mediocrity of the game and overall disappointment about it that you refuse to accept, makes me an ignorant concerning its gameplay mechanics?...loL!

And there we go again, you making erroneous assumptions to prove your points because there is simply no other way to defend your view when discussing with me. You just implied that a game is whole, for me, *JUST* because of the storyline. Go back and read again my posts and tell me where and when I have ever said that the storyline “is just” the only thing that makes a game whole and that the gameplay is unimportant.

Wow, and you say you don’t contradict yourself? And you say you don’t put words into anyone’s mouth?

Wow, I better start saying how amazing the gameplay is and how everything else is trivial an unimportant because mkf says so! That will instantly make me a high level player. Because mkf is getting facts from only God knows were about there being “twice as many” fighting game fans like him that ONLY care about overrating the gameplay that was improved even though it’s still not as great as “they” think it is!

Sorry, but you are so not the mk fan you claim yourself to be. If you are so willingly ready to say that that’s the only most important thing about Mk, then you most certainly don’t have the real Mk spirit the real fans have. If you are so willingly ready to defend MKA’s overall mediocre result because it’s convenient to ignore everything else that was screwed *just* because the gameplay was “improved”....then you don’t know what you are talking about.

Defending the game even when knowing what’s wrong with it by finding excuses in places that don’t even exist doesn’t make you a fan mkf...that’s something you don’t seem to be aware of. Among many things you have already been called: it makes you a hypocrite.



If you want a real fighting game, go play the other titles you so happily enjoy to criticize (and that’s coming from someone who enjoys playing Mk much more then those other fighting games).

Lol, it must had really angered you to hear other people say MKA is a horrible/bad/sucky/whatever game, only that would had made you come up with such a lame retort, I suppose. And it was you who managed to bring that into the discussion, because no one was really complaining about the gameplay till you decided to mention it as an excuse for the mediocrity and the lack of quality this game delivered.

And weren’t you just saying MKDA is a much better game then MKA??? What makes MKA the best 3D MK game now? If you say that MKDA is supposed to have better gameplay then MKA, what makes MKA better? What makes it worth the quality you claim it has?

Yep...just when you can’t think of anything valid to say to defend your point you go and say crap like: “If you want JUST storyline, go read a book”... we all made perfectly clear that storyline is NOT the only thing important in MK, it is *you* who fails miserably to admit how important it is, because its not convenient for you to admit it, because admitting it (even though you know it) makes MKA look really sad...very sad indeed. You know perfectly well, like the rest of the fans, that storyline is a primary subject concerning Mk...specially because for many, it’s considered the best thing it’s had for ages, and that was screwed with MKA badly. That was an insult and slap to the game and fans.

We all know in what levels did those mistakes damaged that game, the series in general, and the reputation of your beloved Midway company and mk team.

Like it or not high level player fan, MK is not exactly famous because of its gameplay fighting mechanics, it’s never been and you know it. I'm not saying its not important, because it is and I want it to improve and get better just as much as you, but its sad to pretend to be blind when its time to face this facts.



“Nothing can be perfect” Blablabla “being mediocre is so comfortable” blablabla “lets all be conformists” blablablabla.

That’s the only think you keep saying.

Being happy with most of the bios has very little to do with the actual essence and point of the discussion. While I can also be happy with the majority of the bios, that doesn’t mean I am happy with the fact that we only got 17 from a 55+ roster of characters that also needed bios, a MUST for a storyline, a MUST for a real MK game.

Any real fan would know that by now.

Any person with sense of logic wouldn’t support mediocrity and being such a conformist.

Also, you say you are happy with “most bios”....again, I wonder; can it be possible that you actually didn’t like one or two or three or who cares what number of bios? The only thing you did was praise all of them as if they were perfect and complain and criticize about anyone who felt they didn’t like a bio and stated their real opinion instead of lies.



And strangely enough, those are considered to be more complete and like a real MK game is supposed to be. They have more quality then you can ever dream of for MKA.

MKA has much better gameplay, but it’s still not good enough to cover up all the other areas in which it failed so miserably and badly making it look more like a recycled version of two previous games with no real value. At all. And that’s lame.

Nobody cares how much it angers you to see how badly the final “epic” game was received among fans, because this game was supposed to be many things, but it failed miserably to deliver its promises and real mk quality improvement.

Sure, we got better gameplay, but that doesn’t mean we are all going to go around overrating it and being supporters of conformists and mediocre “fans” because that was somewhat improved, yet everything else screwed.

Read Sub-Zero’s_7th post, and do try to get a clue. He knows what he is talking about, he knows Mk, and knows gameplay well enough to admit the facts.



Thank you.

Hopefully mkf will read this and pay proper attention.

And btw, it’s sad to see some people like mkf and a few others insisting about this thought as an ****excuse**** for MKA’s mediocrity: “It’s so great to know they are focusing all their attention in the development of Mk8” ....as if we haven’t heard that before.

Honestly, they too were focusing all their attention when doing MKA, or at least that’s what we assume for that’s what they told us and were supposed to do. But even though they focused all their attention (and already had a big part of the game finished because they simply recycled stuff, including little and very simple things like Onagas’s final destruction, which is in fact the same as Blazes’s in MKA...that’s very lame and yes, annoying)...well, you know what we got.



Mkf...sektor_rulz he has a very valid point.

Sorry.

I was being sarcastic about that. British and all that. Pip pip, what ho!

I do agree with MKF on the gameplay. Armageddon was a babystep forward from Deception. It probably be a bit more if they had 3 styles.

But this thread isn't on gameplay. It is on "The Point".

The game bearly makes an attempt to take on Virtua Fighter. So the point wasn't to make "the most technical fighting game ever".

Mortal Kombat basically has been a bargain bucket game of many characters with many fighting styles and weapons. Maybe throw in an extra mode or two. Coupled with an interesting story.

So it is basically taking on Tekken and Soul Calibur. And despite its clunkyness, I rather enjoy Armageddon.

But it doesn't feel like a complete package. Unlike Deadly Alliance and Deception. It might be the recycled costumes, it might be the lack of story, it might be the one fighting style less per character, it might be the lack of Tremor! Its probably a combination of all of them but still.

Oh well.

Ok, tell ya what then. Since you only post a little, itty bitty paragraph saying "MKA sucks" without any resonable explanation explains...what exacty?

Nothing...play me personally and I'll teach you why it's a good game gameplay wise. You post nothing valid "why it's shit" just that it's shit.

That's like saying you're voting for a Obama over everyone else, yet have no good reasons you just are...really, post something with credibility...please..

@ sub-zero7th I'd have to disagree with you there on the gameplay issue and not for nothing but I know more then" a thing or two" and since I play a lot more then you 3 guys combined most likely from your posts I'm fairly certain of that concept.

The side stepping wake up actually can be parried just so you know, the parry animation..honestly I don't care much of "how awkward" it looks and such if it works, it works and it does indeed work.

Your point on staying on the ground, if you play VF and DOA there's no more or less time limit as far as the game "allowing" you to stay on the ground, eventually you HAVE to get up or tech roll which works well and MUCH better then MKD. MKD is nothing but an offensive fest, enough said. MKA on the other hand takes more skill to win in.

BTW, wii version has an added wake up option to stay on the ground longer just so you know.

Just saying I know ONE of MKA's purposes was to conclude a storyline and it did just that, thing is certain people care more about "unfinished MKA bios" more then MK8....which should be the main focus.

The Cyrax thing, you know he's a low tier in every game he's even been in. I wanted him to have the net but it wouldn't have made him anything "dramatically higher" but would have made him indeed better for sure.

MVC2 is also very broken because it has tons of characters, so MKA isn't the only game that has some issues. Just want to let you know.


WOW, queve seriously I think you need to get past your blinded arrogance seriously...first of all 72 hours? umm no...guess what genius? There's still some newer things being discovered THIS day by guys like Check who is a master of discovering glitches, what the game can and can't do. Not to mention you failed to mention where the game's important glitches are what make it or break it, therefore I suggest you go do your homework before posting about stuff you have no idea of. Parries and wake up might not be Tekken or VF but THEY work well, those aren't the games problems by any means. In fact I've noticed none of you didn't mentioned the "real problems" in MKA so honestly, with all due respect don't post or bash MKA unless you know what you're talking about. And it's not the wake up or parry system....does it need work? Yes, no denying that but is that the main problem in MKA? Umm hell no.. btw on sektorrulz post, nope. He posts nothing what so ever to back up his claim, therefore no explanation, no argument. But back on the gameplay issue, seriously if you think it takes just a couple of days to "find everything" you're dreaming...it may take that long to get used to how the game plays, but you'll need a lot more time to discover things, find out what works, what doesn't etc.

So, seriously until you get a job as a tester, stop talking as if you know everything because you don't concerning the gameplay. My point is that MKA ISN'T just made for bios. God you're thick man seriously, hoping to get thru though. You'll have your bio fans, your character fans and your gameplay/online fans. Ok, it's a mix. You have to seriously rethink what you post if you think most fans only care about "MK's storyline"....

Again, please tell me you have xbox live and live in the US/Canada/south america region so I can school you no offense but really, your ignorance is mind boggling. I am being objective, don't you read anything I type? I just said clear as day MKD was a poorly made, rushed game compared to the other MK's. Did you not see that? MK 4 isn't all that hot either but you'd be surprised of the high level play showing why it's not all bad. BTW, since you talk like "every MK game" is a failure, I suggest you play some MK2 and UMK3...far from failures..MK:DA is lots of fun as well. Who's saying every MK game "its perfect" I'm not, no game is...

Ummm, so now you're speaking on behalf of "other high level players" dude humor me, I actually play them, you don't therefore how do you know? I might not know how "every single" one of them feels but I do have a general idea and our WORST complaint is the "online" play as oppose to the gameplay which we accepted or didn't many months ago, so again you're wrong. The players that got sick of it, left it after a month or so otherwise still a decent sized community between PS2 and Xbox live online....

But back on the bio topic, seriously tell ya what. Since there really is no right or wrong since it is matter of OPINION on whether or not Midway stopping the bios is good or not, I'll respect your view. I can only ask for the same but at this point I'd say it's beating a dead horse already.

I feel in the long run it's a good idea, you don't. Let's just agree to disagree as far as the bio topic, ok? Is that good?

Good to see someone sees what I'm saying...Johnboyadvance on the MKD/MKA topic someone that actually understands what I'm saying to the guy above ^^, exactly what I'm saying thanks for paying attention, honestly.

Sidestepping wake up? I'm talking about sidestepping to avoid wake up attacks. You missed the point about the parries. They are stiff, and the animation is wrong. Parries are for deflecting attacks. In MKA, the character puts their arm up and the opponent spins around, which is absolute nonsense. It would've been much better and simpler to use a more fluid version of the motion used for MKDA's reversals (which weren't real reversals) and have the character push his/her hands left or right to deflect the attack.

Yes, I know you have to eventually get up, but you're missing the point again. About the Wii version, yeah that's great and all.

About the storyline, you still don't seem to understand or care. MKA was to give the needed closure to this era, but it failed miserably.

I don't care about MVC2. I still say you're overrating MKA and its gameplay. It's hardly good as a fighter, especially when compared to other fighting games.

Explain how it is a good idea for them to go back on their word and not give proper closure to this era's story. Explain how it's good to put it all to waste. Bringing up how much you play MKA at high level isn't going to make up for the fact that MKA failed to give proper closure.

Lol again you think a game is brilliant because you THINK you can beat me. And the reason why I only post little is because I don't spend my whole life on the internet arguing. You have a post thats a fucking novel man get a life. I obviously have more of a one than you. I'll plain and simple explain why the game sucks balls;

Gameplay - Exactly the same for 3 games. Dial-a-combo. No uniqueness in characters most players have the same moves. Design a character is extremely unbalanced. A tonne of glitches and unbalanced characters and moves.

Storyline - I don't think much needs to be said about the story...

Characters - All characters have a move that is shared amongst others if they couldn't handle having that many individual characters in one game why did they do it?

Sound - Same shit as other games. Recycled.

Closure - NONE what so ever.

Happy?

MKF has proved himself to be a living, walking violation of the maxim of quality in conversation. Sorry kid, but you DO have a tendency to slip from both context and subject matter when speaking.

Stay focused,

It’s beyond sad to see the kind of irrelevant stuff you insist to discuss about....and it gets even sadder when you only repeat the same you have already said but worse, and repeating exactly the same things people are actually telling *you* doesn’t make you look good.



Hilarious! It’s fatally ironic to hear you talk about arrogance or “blinded” arrogance, when its you the one, without a doubt, who can’t get pass your egocentric and extremely disrespectful manners. I gave you extreme analysis and detailed responses above which you failed to reply to or defend yourself, so no need to say more.



You are seriously a silly boy. Please, do tell me where did I ever say there aren’t any new things to be discovered in this crappy game you keep defending so blindingly, THIS is what I said, and I quote:

“it really doesn’t take any longer then 72 hours for real high level players to explore the entire gameplay mechanics of a game like MKA. Really, there isn’t much to explore anyways.”

Yes, you silly boy, it doesn’t take any longer to actually explore the entire gameplay mechanics of the game, by that meaning: how it plays in its strengths and faults. Its pretty damn obvious you cant actually learn *everything* from a game in a short period of time, but with a game like MKA, you can learn beyond the basics of its mechanics in that period, which is exactly what other high level players have done, therefore we already have their honest views and critics about MKA, most of them being negative about the game, exactly what angers you and makes you suggest they don’t know crap but you know all (helped by your arrogance of course).

Believe it or not, you are NOT the only one who can actually play this game, and like someone already told you, you actually being good at it doesn’t make it “the great game” you are claiming it is, in general.



Typical. Where the hell were we ever talking about the games glitches?

Why in the world do you keep trying so stupidly to turn this discussion into a “MKA gameplay discussion thread” when that’s never been the subject or point?

Its ironic and stupid to see you talk about me “failing” to mention a “games glitch” when we weren’t even talking about that, and its even more stupidto see you suggest to someone else not to talk about stuff one has no idea, for that’s been exactly what you have been doing since your first silly response.

You are the one who has actually failed to reply to my questions and elaborated responses since the very start, seriously, look back and read. You haven’t been able to defend any of your questioned silly accusations and erroneous assumptions.

And STOP changing the subject, we already told you: No matter how much you insist on talking about gameplay and how “wonderful” it is and how it makes MKA a supreme game, it will not change the fact that for the majority it is a screwed game.



What the hell are you even doing talking about parries? Maybe, Mr. Genius, we didn’t talk about that because this thread is NOT about the gameplay of MKA? Or parries? or other gameplay stuff?

You are so immature. Will you ever prove a point by constantly changing the subject and pretending that your views will actually save this game from the eyes of everyone who already dislikes it for the rushed crap it was?: NO.

Oh, and silly boy, once again you prove your blinded arrogance with this post: “In fact I've noticed none of you didn't mentioned the "real problems" in MKA”.

Are you this blind? Haven’t you read a single word we have written? And btw, if you just want a few things, go back and read again Sub-Zero’s_7th post before typing this solid garbage.

Its no use telling you to think before you post because you are obviously not thinking at all.

And I remind you what you initially said with your huge ego and arrogance:

“I know everything about MK.”

If you know “everything” about MK, you are well aware of the many unfulfilled promises or lies we got with MKA and previous games, if you are not, you are just another silly blinded fanboy from the most remote and hypocrite corner of a cheap street. No offense.

But you saying you know EVERYTHING about Mk, and then “forcing” us to say stuff we already said that you weren’t able to grasp, and then saying you are still discovering “new” stuff makes you a hypocrite and look dumb. Read again the previous posts and you will find your answers, something you haven’t been able to do in this entire discussion.



With all due respect, who the hell are you to stop me from posting my honest opinions about this screwed game? And you know very well I know what I'm talking about. I have been elaborating very precisely since the start, something you haven’t done.

You are just blinded because of convenience, so you prefer to play dumb. That’s your problem, just don’t force the rest of us to join your club.



LMAO!!!!!!

You seriously come off as a completely immature -5 year old. Talking sense to you is almost like talking to a solid wall...but I'm guessing the wall is actually more enthusiastic to pay attention and avoid making stupid posts.

Once again: No one was ever focusing on gameplay, ONLY YOU WERE, so once and for all: STOP-CHANGING-THE-SUBJECT.



You “know everything about mk”, you should know what his claim is about. He practically has agreed with everyone’s major disappointments concerning this game. But just because you fail to grasp the obvious because of your blinded immaturity, I have seen he made a post especially for you, he shouldn’t had bother.


LOL!

“Issue”...as if there had ever been an issue to discuss about to begin with. You turning this thread into a gameplay discussion wont make anyone forget what we really are talking about, and of course, how horrible this game you love so much is.



Read above you immature silly boy who “never puts words into anyone’s mouth” (yeah right). Find me a place were I said “it takes just a couple of days to find everything”. But actually, I rather quote what I posted above because you are unlikely to read back, and this you have proven when stating erroneous remarks like “In fact I've noticed none of you didn't mentioned the "real problems" in MKA” when everyone had already posted in detail their disappointment, which you fail to grasp and continue to change the subject:

Please, do tell me where did I ever say there aren’t any new things to be discovered in this crappy game you keep defending so blindingly, THIS is what I said, and I quote:

“it really doesn’t take any longer then 72 hours for real high level players to explore the entire gameplay mechanics of a game like MKA. Really, there isn’t much to explore anyways.”

Yes, you silly boy, it doesn’t take any longer to actually explore the entire gameplay mechanics of the game, by that meaning: how it plays in its strengths and faults. Its pretty damn obvious you cant actually learn *everything* from a game in a short period of time, but with a game like MKA, you can learn beyond the basics of its mechanics in that period, which is exactly what other high level players have done, therefore we already have their honest views and critics about MKA, most of them being negative about the game, exactly what angers you and makes you suggest they don’t know crap but you know all (helped by your arrogance of course).

Believe it or not, you are NOT the only one who can actually play this game, and like someone already told you, you actually being good at it doesn’t make it “the great game” you are claiming it is, in general.*”



Excuse me, I'm sorry, but just because you are inefficient or an incompetent high level player doesn’t mean everyone else who plays “high level” is . It didn’t took them to discover in a few days how badly the game was in many aspects and post it here.

You should remember it very well because it was only a few days when MKA had been released and you could already be reading threads about how wrong the game was and how it has no replay value...and that angered you badly, no surprise.



Kid...Let me put it in numbers for you, maybe that way you will understand:

1.- No one really gave a damn about talking about the gameplay till you came along with your arrogance and immaturity trying to force us to see that “just because the gameplay was improved” we shouldn’t be angry, “just because they are working on MK8” we should be upset or disappointed...

2.- You are the only one who continues to push on that subject when it has no relevance at all with the subject in actual discussion.

3.- It is you who talk as if you were a tester, so because you actually dwell in your ego, we should listen to you???? I don’t think so.

4.- I actually had the humbleness and modesty to admit I don’t know that much about the gameplay, even stating that it was NOT the topic in discussion, so check your facts again you silly boy, your constant erroneous assumptions have gotten extremely annoying.

5.- Just because YOU happen to talk as if you were the mastermind of testers and has a “job testing”, doesn’t mean everyone else who talks about gameplay cant do it, nor that we are arrogant such as yourself.



No, wait, let me fix what you wrote:

Thick=mkflegend.

Much better. Yeah, you really “are a real mk fan”.





I don’t have an xbox.

And again, you immature egocentric arrogant kid, YOU actually knowing how to play the game doesn’t make it any better. That's stupid.



Wow, same thing can be said about your blindness fanboy attitude, immaturity, ego, arrogance, and wait, yeah, ignorance.



LMAO!!!!!

That’s probably one of the most stupid, biggest lies and hilarious ironic comments you have made so far.

YOU???? Objective???? ....please.

And trust me, everyone has read what you typed; therefore you have been called many things by others as well. Not just me.

But according to your posts, it is you who doesn’t read, or think carefully for that matter, before posting crap, lies, assumptions, etc.



Yeah yeah yeah, we all saw. And what the hell does it matter if you agree that the game was made poorly when you, before MKA, constantly defended it with hypocrisy, when the other fans talked about its faults?

You admitting that MKD is screwed doesn’t make you objective, you are still a hypocrite, sorry. The only reason you have to agree is because there is no other way around it by this time.

Will you ever grasp that this discussion is about the bios and not gameplay you silly boy? You just said there are fans from different areas of the game, so swallow your empty words and let the fans of this area and the others that are annoy speak about it.

We don’t need your hallow forceful views to make us change our mind, because you wont.



Blablabla. That’s all you do this days, isn’t it?

Just because you love to drown your brain in your constant silly assumptions and the lies of your hypocrisy, doesn’t mean I think every Mk game is a failure.You are being an idiot by assuming it. I have never said that.

I insist, it’s so ironic that you talk about people not reading carefully when its you who fails to grasp the point of discussion. I even stated I love Mk and you have seen my posts of my huge love for MKDA.

But you still FAIL to answer my questions and the well picked stupid remarks you have made since the start. You just have no way to defend yourself with the mistaken assumptions and idiotic things you wrote above. You just keep ignoring them...lol!



There is something called a forum discussion around here. I wonder if you have ever seen one?



LOL! Its useless talking sense to you. Maybe you will get lucky and one day someone will write that encyclopedia just for you.



LMAO!!!!!!!

Just NOW you care to discuss about the real discussion of this thread? NOW??? After all your irrelevant wasted forceful crap? How sad.




Such a blinded-fan.....atic you are.

And you are saying you are, what was the word?....Objective???



You have failed to respect anyone’s view since the very start with your idiotic remark of “ungrateful fans” and all the lies and erroneous hypocrite assumptions you made after that.

I told you: If you want people to respect your views, you better respect everyone’s else’s. Saying “I will respect your view” immediately after posting all the garbage you posted really screams otherwise. Don’t be a hypocrite. I told you I can respect your views, but how the hell is that possible when all you do is continue the crap?



..........(*sigh*, nevermind)

Just to give this the conclusion it needs before you reply with the same irrelevant stuff again, let me put it clear for you:

1.- WE-ARE-TALKING-ABOUT-THE-BIOS! This is NOT a GAMEPLAY discussion thread, YOU BROUGHT THAT UP unnecessarily: its IRRELEVANT!

2.- STOP-CHANGING-THE-SUBJECT!!!

3.- No matter how much you try to force your views and opinions through us, YOU WILL NOT change the fact about THE FANS DISSAPOINTMENT concerning MKA.

4.- If you want people to RESPECT your opinions, you better leave the ARROGANCE and hypocrisy behind, read the posts carefully and think your answers before making erroneous assumptions, making up lies and changing the subject...maybe that will make you open minded enough to respect others opinions as well...



I told you before I accept that. But you will keep hearing from me if you keep posting similar stuff from the above, and I'm talking about your assumptions and contradictions and your constant attack at "ungrateful" fans just because they express how disappointed they are, just in case.



That’s what we have been trying to explain since the start.

Will he ever grasp that this discussion was never about the subjects he insists to keep changing? Doing so will not change peoples mind, nor is he showing any respect for the ones who are disappointed about this crap.



I doubt he will be happy. Lest see if he respects that.



Exactly.

Once again you mis the concept, I don't care about "beating" you...I'm sure (no offense but I could do that rather easily) given your "gameplay" comments.

My point is, you just say "it sucks, it sucks" move set shared among others? Really, that's funny because last time I checked most characters have different styles, move sets....

There might be a few with similar moves such as Ermac and Jarek's weapon for example, but still they have different hand to hand.

And they did that for balance and to save time. That's why when some people want "3 styles" back from MKD, I laugh because that would have made it more broken.

Actually, there's added sounds for MKA that wasn't in MK:DA and MKD along with new musical tracks for the newer stages, the ones brought back was the same from MKD but there are new ones added.

Actually, MKA is more balanced then MKD is and so is MK:DA, MK:DA has few glitches and is VERY balanced.

@chrome...umm ok, and nobody really cares about you playing "miyagi or english teacher either" not for nothing but I've noticed you made that your "MKO goal" on here.

queve, it's obvious you have no valid argument yourself thus why you "quote Subzerothe7th..." you know nothing about the gameplay apparently, I'm not going to listen to an ignorant point of view, again list me the games REAL problems?

I'm waiting...as for bios, let's just agree to disagree. BTW, I'm not saying "don't post" where the hell did I say that? I'm just saying, if you're going to post about gameplay, don't quote or ride on other people post something yourself with credibility instead of pure ignorant statements...again READ what I typed. You can parry wake up as well as side step it...play me sometime and I'll show you, ohh that's right you don't have xbox...

You clearly DO care thinking that you can beat me otherwise you wouldn't have said it! Fuck... No matter what anyone else says your going to say "No actually, it wasn't it was this" etc so what ever aye. You have a WHOLE community against you. 1 out of how ever many people disagree with you should be an indication to you that you are WRONG. Give it up mate. And don't start personally attacking someone just because you don't have anything to say against them (Chrome).

Again...I couldn't care less about beating you, you miss my point....schooling you on why the game is actually playable compared to MKD would be my goal...I don't care about owning you, if I wanted comp I wouldn't play you.


A whole community? So you and queve are the whole community? Dude, you were a joke as a mod abusing your power beyond belief, thank god you're not one anymore...you think I'm hated? ha, ha, ha...if only you knew. I don't give a shit if a few people on here don't like me, I have a lot more friends on here then enemies so the positives outweigh the negatives pal.

WOW...and I have freedom of speech just like everyone else in here so I'll say what I will, thanks anyway.

If you think I was attacking Chrome?ok....that was FAR from an attack and you do realize most of the time he just makes witty comments about someones "grammar" because we all know everyone on here cares that much....

That wasn't the case this time but still.


As for MK, you can hate or like whichever you'd like you still fail to realize gameplay concepts apparently as you miss my point totally.

@ subzero, I missed your post before...no, no you misunderstand me man. The parry's may not look the best but they work, trust me. I have high level videos to show you that they do work under bigtime pressure if you wish to see. You seem to be obsessed with the parry animation to real life...dude not for nothing but no fighter does a "spot on" parry counter animation to real life martial arts, not even Tekken, DOA where it might look better then MKA's parry but it still a "video game" animation...

Also, the bio gig was only ONE of the reason for MKA, not ALL. I understand perfectly. The thing is some fans aren't satisfied with the bios, others are and some don't give a shit, they just want better online play/gameplay.. So Tell that to the gameplay buffs, no offense but they don't give a darn about that stuff...like you guys do. I on the other hand love everything, and don't just concentrate on "one part" of the game whole. The bios is mere opinion, some people liked it, others not so much. There is no fact there since everyone feels differently. I'm not overrating anything on the gameplay issue, I'm stating this because the game is indeed fun when you know how to play. And you can side step a wake up, I've done it...the timing has to be PERFECT however and it's not easy up close, but there's an easy solution to that....DON'T GET CLOSE, it's really common sense honestly. And as I said, you can always parry the punch wake up( again a high level tactic that requires timing and anticipation)