Midway better take their sweet time with MK8, so it won't end up like the crap-load this game has become. Why can't they just make a great game like Deception anymore (WITH the bios included)?

Look at some of his artwork in the Fan Submission forum. Nearly all of it is borderline flawless.

Figures. -_-
Considering that the breaks between the bios were starting to become ridiculously long,the only possible explanation for this could the fact that they allocated ALL of their possible resources towards MK8. Disappointing,but understandable. Other things to think about:
1) They were almost half-way through... =_= Stopping here is like slapping all fans in the face.
2) If all of Midway's manpower is indeed allocated to the MK8 project,IT BETTER BE FUCKING AMAZING.
3) Just like some of you guys said here before me,I imagine that Vogel is just as pissed about it as we are. I'm pretty sure he'll finish the job eventually,meaning the bios are indeed put on hiatus as opposed to being completely canned.
4) ...Then again,wait them put those bios in MK8 as unlockables. That will be some BULLSHIT.

fedegita Wrote:
I wish I had a 100 million dollars. The I'd try and buy the MK rights from boon and let Jax007, Bleed, Chrome, Aculeus, etc all work on it.



lol @ MKF's posts. I know you don't really mean all those things you say, you're just trying to piss everyone off deliberately you're a funny guy!


Sure dude, just like you guys are joking all the time : )


Nahhh, I'd rather have Bleed, MINION, myself and Aculeus work on MK hehe. From my point of view. Chrome would be good with certain characters from what I've seen of his concept posts.

Jax007 I have no idea who that dude is. I would love to have a few characters in charge in though. But I'd also want to make up new modes

If you got it, maybe I could make some actual bios.

I've seen his artwork there but didn't know who he was lol, I used to post my sculptures there a while back but sometimes browse it. Artwork is one thing, story writing though is another. There's a lot of good artists on here as far as concepts, accurate pics of characters and such. Jax007, I've seen some of his work it is good, definitely but I thought you were referring to writing besides.

I'm like the only person on here who makes sculpture concepts or accurate MK related ones, everyone else draws or paints which is good too I just like sculpting. It's been a while since I made a concept, I'm thinking of doing rain.

I'd definitely want Vogel and perhaps some new writers also if I had Midway.



@king Raiden


Sure dude lol, you bet I'd look for the creative fans on here if some how I did win the rights to Midway or owned the company for sure.

I'd keep most of the MK team since honestly, they key guys like Boon, Vogel and Himmerick etc they started it so I would feel it's only right to keep the original creators IMO.

@[?] guy, actually MKA is better gameplay wise then MKD is, MKD is all 50/50's and offensive fest....easiest MK game to win in, as far as bios I see what you're saying though. 24 is a lot less then 62 lol.

Hm...

I'm on the fence about this actually.

#1. I want the next game to supersede any past Mk game.

#2. I did like reading the bios, even though I wouldn't post in some of the characters' threads.

So I guess essentially,....I'm happy?

~~~~~Hm...Wait a minute. ~~~~~~>

To keep writing here, I had to remember how dis-interested in MkA I was after I played it. MkA as a whole, I mean. Just saying here, that the game sat here, un-played for at least two//three months before I picked it back up, and really started toying with(the only reason I might play it anymore...) the KaKharacter feature.

I got this weird mental block about everything except KaK and online. (which is pretty typical btw, given the demand of ALOT of our latest games outside of the fighting genre. "Creative control", and "Global Communication")

Anywho, there was a type of relief when it was announced that they'd be starting all over....Even if it did end up meaning that my favorite character (Raiden) would not make this next game.

So, I guess I'm kind of relived again to know that MK8 as a project, has taken full priority over anything else(that we know of so far).

BUT, If they screw up this next game, I swear to the Almighty and the Fallen Angel.....

Not that they must make a "perfect game", but that vs everything that I've seen in other games on these new consoles, THERE IS NO EXCUSE. No excuse for a hollow//depth-less story, no excuse for janky//broken controls, no excuse for less than spectacular graphics. And by all means, there is no excuse for a lack of innovation or clever idealisms because that's what starting all over is largely about anyway. No Excuse.
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By the time the game is set to be released, they will have spent a good 2&1/2 yrs on this game(I'd give them a solid 3 - 3&1/2yrs to tie up loose ends and for the perfection of things they know they "would, should, could" be able to perfect.). They made a pretty good chunk of money off of the last 4 games, MkShaolinMonks included. Money should not be a "problem" for Mk8.....Resources should be a minimized situation because they got the money to get things done. For instance, I've learned that there are approx 300+ people working on one of the new Tom Clancy games.

(Just saying, success begets success....especially with the amount of experience Midway//MK has as a working relationship. That's just the way business works if they want to profit from working together.)

Too, since they won't be putting anymore bios out, we should see Vogel hovering over any other writers on the Team for this next game. That's the kind of attention Mk8 needs to see anyway, after what happened to MkA.

And instead of just "some bios" in this next game, we should feel the personality of a character.

I guess I am pretty tired of this old shit//old habits...

MkA was a cash cow, but a mistake for customer retention and morale..... and now to me, the only thing decisive about it is that it has effectively become a "Tall Tale". lol

Bring on the new.

Saddest news ever...

Obviously that I want a great MK8, but this is b*llsh*t.

For me, MK has the best story in the all fighting games, and this is one of the main reasons that I prefer to play MK games although they don't have the best fighting gameplay. I have zero-interest to fight with Paul against Kuma (Tekken) or Jeffry McWild against Lau Chan (Virtua Fighter), but I love to fight with Li Mei against Quan Chi, Noob Saibot against Sareena or Mavado against Kenshi because of the storys, combined with a aceptable gameplay...

But if MK is supposed that has worse fighting gameplay, and his story is non-existant like other fighting games... Which is the reason to play to this game? Fatalitys? Big Large Roster? No one... and the main example of this is MKDA (for me, the best MK until today), with a decent roster, combined of classic and news characters, with the best storyline... decent gameplay (like most of past MK) and half-rushed Fatalitys, but the people love it (+3 Million sales)... yeah, in the following games we had gameplay improvements (thank god), and better Fatalitys (respect MKDA), and we had extras like mini-games (I like them, but not only the MK fans, but also much fighting games fans, we prefer things like TYM...) and "better" Konquest (the MKDA one was better (Training Mode + Storyline details) than the MKD one (rushed like "Fable" and with some plotholes/confusion because of the non-good connection of the Konquest development ones and the storyline ones...) and MKAr (better than MKD in every aspect, but half-rushed with things like the lack of storylines...) but like the storyline, the interest was going down (as the sales)

I want improvements in the gameplay mechanics (things like Combo Breakers, Parrys & Wake-Up were great additions), but not at the cost of the storyline.

The MK games would have to be: 40% Gameplay (this includes the online gameplay part), 40% Storyline (this aspect also includes a great selection in the roster), 10% -alitys, and the rest with other things (like TYM) or to upgrade one or the to main things, like another characters (good tied in the storyline), another scenario (this is also important to be related in the storyline of the games/characters) or more gameplay modes (offline and/or online).

And for the Armageddon:

Without the bios:

Gameplay: Great offline but not online = 8 (3.2)
Storyline: Worse (Innecesary (for me) largest roster ever, and lack of the big part of the storylines) = 3 (1.2)
-Alitys: Good concept, but without a great implentation: 5 (0.5)
Other Things: Good Konquest and KAK, decent minigame: 6 (0.6)

Note: 5.5 (No more than a decent game...)

But, with the bios:

Gameplay: Great offline but not online = 8 (3.2)
Storyline: Good (Still innecessary largest roster ever, and not the best plot ever, but with a good explanation of the appeareance of all of them, and without the best endings, but acceptables) = 7 (2.8)
-Alitys: Good concept, but without a great implentation: 5 (0.5)
Other Things: Good Konquest (better with the bios that make more compresible) and KAK, decent minigame: 7 (0.7)

Note: 7.2 (Not the best MK, but a notable game).

And for the hope/hype of the MK fans in MK8:

-Great game (MKDA) to bad game (MKAr without all bios) = Betrayed and with less interest in the next game in the entire saga...

-Great game (MKDA) to notables games (MKD and MKAr w/ all bios) = Thrilled and waiting for a new MKDA or better...

Maybe MK8 will be the best MK in the entire saga, and I will be very happy... but also maybe this can't be enough to "cure" this big injury, because is more hard to fix a betray in the fans than fix any other problem in a game...

I don't know if the main culprit it's Ed Boon or a Midway member with more power than Ed, but both Midway and MKTeam have now his biggest challenge, and isn't clean up the accounts or make the best MK fighting game ever, but recover the confidence of the MK Community, the people that was together with them in this last 15 years, the ones that did that the MK was big and was still alive all these years...

They should have made the bios during making of MKA, damn

My 2 cents...

I think the main reason so many people are disappointed is because most all of the endings in MKA were... severely lacking. The bios told the actual story while the endings were all just random possibilities.

In a way I'm glad though. It was fairly obvious that they weren't going to finish all the bios. At least they finally made the official announcement, so we can all stop anticipating any more.

My main Annoyance about all this is how Unimportant Characters like Jarek (Even though i like him) Got Bios more Important Characters like Shao Kahn, Scorps and Subs never got theirs.


My main annoyance is that Stryker never got his, That was the one i was most anticipating.

At the same time though im not going to start a Riot outside the MK Office or hang myself for the Bios that never were.

I'll wait and see what MK8 is like before i consider giving Midway my hard earned Cash again :D

Uh.. no continuance on MKA's story? MKA HAD a story?

I am not surprised

They already do that in the past

Remember MKDA website? It never was completed

So we got Deception, but again was not completed (Liu Kang was not in there when everyone already knew that he was in the game).

Now Armageddon. The Bio of MKA is Taven. Konquest mode is really good in storyline IMO. So Taven win the quest. The power pass through him and make all characters more powerfull than ever.

Everyone should return in MK8, with a complete game, with bios, endings, specific fatalities, new fighting system, weapons, combos, special moves, air special moves.

His Konquest ending is different from his regular ending.

Not really, it's just explained from two different points of view. His Konquest ending is told from His POV, while his regular ending is told(with further detail) from Argus' point of view

Come on guys and tell me...why are we helping support this company anymore? I love MK, and love some of what they have done with the series, but come on....how bad ARE things when you EXPECT to be let down by your favorite video game franchise? Like as soon as they say something, you have to keep your excitement down to a bare minimum because, deep down, you know that most of it will never happen. Why do we put up with that?
Any more it's like being a fan of a really sucky sports home team. You know they suck, and they are not nearly as good as they might have been "back in the day", but you hang on, because you have some glimmer of hope that someday, maybe someday, they will bring back the glory days and they will be what they used to be. It doesn't help matters when you see steps taken in the right direction to keep that hope alive either. I swear that most of the time, they give you just enough to hang on, hoping for the next one to be "the one".
We all have our favorites. For instance, I thought Deception's Konquest was near flawless and, with a few improvements and tweaks, I would love to see it in MK8, while others like Armageddons beat em up konquest. But I think if we are all honest with ourselves, we can say that as a company, heck as a team, the MK guys SUCK at coming through with promises.
They need to take some tips from Blizzard. THERE is a company that delivers. They love their fans, and they show it in their games. They keep them updated, they don't let them die. They also KEEP THEIR MOUTHS SHUT when it comes to making games, showing only what they have done, so that when it DOES hit the shelves, people are seldom disappointed. Oh,another reason they are not disappointed when a game is releaed? They take their freakin TIME with it and playtest, playtest, playtest. Guys, go sit with Blizzard for a month or two. Learn a thing or two about playtesting, about quality, and about treating your fanbase correctly. Then maybe some more of the jaded fans (including myself now) will come back.



Heck, they couldn't even keep the promise that MKA would tie up loose ends...they created a buttload of new loose ends and are going to scrap it all and create a new MK with new characters to screw up. Wonderful guys...just wonderful. You can't even get the old characters, storyline, and heck, even gameplay right. Why should we go for all new ones?

Well that will always be the dream =P. At least buy it from Midway so our guys can spend all the time they want on it to make sure its flawless.

$10 million dollars buying Boon off
$0 giving him the finger as he walks out the door
$1 million dollars to each member of staff guaranteed even if the game is never finished or flops
$1-3 million dollars on software, hardware, and renting out a building to make the game.
$0 on marketing =P and just advertise it for free here!

*sigh* if only it were that easy. But at least we know we have all the talent needed right here on this site

It’s sad to see how completely blinded and immature you can be when you become this “loyal” fan you claim yourself to be.

I love you mkf, but if you hadn’t made so many erroneous assumptions that even come off as lies and hypocrisy due to your contradictory posts and make you look as an arrogant person, then I wouldn’t be addressing to you the way I will, and trust me: I will elaborate.

MKF said:***Ok, you know what I was almost hoping someone would address me so I'll address this eagerly. First of all those people I got into "fights" with are now banned, what does that tell you?

That some of them were probably too honest with you but maybe addressed their thoughts in a rather stupid and immature way that got them banned...*SOME* of them disserved it.

MKF said:***People that come here just to "rip" MK not for nothing is utterly retarded when the site is an ummm Mortal Kombat site to begin with. I'm here for MK, because I enjoy it. NOT to bash it...

I agree with this, and I joined the site because I enjoy Mk as well, and though there was a minority that enjoyed “ripping the game”, they had their good reasons, as stupid as they might be to you, and look at MKA, they were right.

Just so we have this clear: I LOVE MK as well. And I'm a real fan, I have been since the start, but when something is wrong, I will say it, because it’s my opinion and disserves to be heard, and with luck, help others see their mistakes and improve...no matter how “trivial” it sounds to you. You should learn to respect that.

MKF said:***Will I criticize or say here and there I'm a bit disappointed with something? yes I will and make suggestions of actual USEFUL improvements MK should make, such as gameplay, new online modes, better online play etc as oppose to say someones bio that should be longer or someones alternate costume...

Please, don’t be a hypocrite. Before you got into any of the “gameplay” discussions you pretty much defended and still defend everything about MK, including those “trivial” things you mentioned.

MKF said:***these things are trivial and you must realize MOST fans that play MK want it for a fighting game. A lot don't care about "just storyline" or costumes...I care but I'm happy with what I got, I didn't expect the bios to be as deep as they were IMO but I know to you they're "half assed" or sub-par...

Like I said earlier in the first post: THINK before you post, specially when it concerns to addressing other people and putting words they never said into their mouths/minds.

Have I ever said or used the words “half assed” when referring to a bio? Did I ever said I found them to be “sub-par”??? Don’t start making things up to get your point across because it will do you no good, for I have never said that in any post. “Half assed” sounds exceptionally stupid, yet strong. As if I ever posted incoherent stuff without backing up my opinions and views and the facts. That’s what you are implying I do?

So, just because I didn’t like one or two or three or four or five or *who cares* what number of bios and gave MY honest opinion (and it was never a surprise to see you loving all of them) about all of them and in a constructive way explaining and elaborating why some “sucked” or “failed to feel great”, I think all of Vogels works are “sub-par” and I'm not saying anything that’s (in your words) USEFUL???

For your information, and please re-read all of my posts if you must, I happen to like and love most of the bios that were released, for your information, I was very happy with the way they were being worked and elaborated, most of them were amazing and greatly written, but others failed. So, I'm not “loyal” because I say one bio sucked because of X reason?

Would it be correct if I called you a hypocrite then? How loyal can you be if you are not even posting your honest thoughts, just finding a way to “pass by” (as if they didn’t mattered) those facts?

And rewrite or think your words because it sounds like you are saying that all who complain are immediately stupid and ONLY care about “just storyline” or “costumes”. What’s wrong with you?

Why the hell did you even bring up costumes? As if that was something I specifically “complained excessively” about!

It’s almost like you are saying: “don’t say what you really think!” “Be positive and ignore everything that’s bad in the game or the many times we were lied to because we have a kind of good and improved gameplay, etc”.

MKF said:***Well, what can I say? I'm am an actual LOYAL and true MK fan unlike some others in here that are "front runners" and only like the series when they give them what THEY want. Fuck that...

So, please enlighten all of us: are you the only LOYAL mk fan in this planet? Have you got any idea of how egocentric your words are when you refer to people (indirectly or directly) who give their opinions as if they were stupid, less then you, and know zero about Mk when compared to you?

Also, are you saying *I'm* a “front runner”? Are you saying *I* ONLY like the series when they give me what I want? Are you basically referring to me? I'm just not sure if you are insulting me because in your fist part of the post you already did by making erroneous assumptions of my views and thoughts and stating them here as if they were true. So for once, please be clear.

Again, I have nothing against you, but I will if you are insulting me by making assumptions of things you know nothing about, and you should know them because I post them here. So I don’t see how my opinions have made me (and others I think I know you are referring to that should not be mentioned) a “front runner”.

MKF said:***I stick with MK thru the ups and the downs, NOT just the ups...I hate fans like that and always will. The point of being a fan of something, team, person or game is to support them/it during the ups and downs, enough said.

Do I stick with MK just in the ups? Is that what you are saying? Or are you referring to the idiots that came here just to bash MK and insult the game because they never had anything better to do?

BTW, the point of being a fan, a loyal and real fan includes all of what you said, but you are forgetting that when there's something wrong, if you let them know in a constructive way then its useful and will always help to make the game better.

The point of being a loyal fan is to say when things are not right as well, not just ignore all that’s bad because one or two things are good. THAT’S a real fan, that’s a loyal fan, and I wonder, are you a real fan?

There's a big difference.

MKF said:***Even if Midway/MK team DID give us everyones bio there's always someone to bitch about it or say "not good enough" like you did with some of the bios...

I wasn’t going to be as harsh with my post as I am, but when I start reading this stuff you wrote without thinking, then that’s what really annoys me MKF.

You don’t seem to grasp the fact that even if there's someone who will “bitch” (according to you) about the bios or anything, there will always be someone who will like it, so, for that part of the people who will like it, and for the fact that the bios were a must in this game, they should had made all of them available from day one.

What do you care if there's people who wont like the bios as much as you? Do you actually live and feed of others opinions and thoughts? You have said it yourself, we all have different opinions, so even if there is someone who will bitch, there will be someone who will not.

So, in your opinion all I did was bitch in my posts when I didn’t like a bio? Are you once again making assumptions? I actually wrote constructive criticism, and just because YOU happen to be in love with everything they deliver, doesn’t mean we all have to. Just because YOU are happy with “what you got” doesn’t mean you are more loyal then the rest of us who actually care.

Would it be fair if I called you a “conformist” then? That’s what you are basically saying you are.

MKF said:***well let me ask you something man, do you think you can honestly do a better job? Let's see the fans like you write and come up with a better then what we already have, please do. Because I seriously doubt no offense that you can write something or anyone else on here that "hates the MK bios" then John Vogel.

Is this your immature way of saying “shut up about the bios and the mk team”? Challenging me and everyone who doesn’t think like you to “come up” with something better then what Vogel does?

My God....grow up!!!

For your information, MKF, I always thanked Vogel for his job in my posts and said how wonderful his bios were, but also, how some needed more work because they failed to be decent, and never implied with my posts *I* could do something better.

Just because you take it offensively that anyone writes something bad about MK, doesn’t mean WE are the bad guys. We just happen to have an opinion, whether you like it or not! So just deal with it. Learn from it. Grow.

The “fans like me”???? Now I know you are insulting me. So, what you wrote up there is all about me, or was it just a misunderstanding from my part because you fail to elaborate in your posts? You say “some fans”, then you say “fans like you” (referring to me), then you say something else. It’s never clear what you are trying to say because it comes up as an attack, but then one wonders if you really are referring to the one or someone else.

What makes you so perfect and wise and intelligent to state that you: “seriously doubt no offense that you can write something or anyone else on here that "hates the MK bios" then John Vogel”? Huh? I'm dying to know.

Do you have any idea how arrogant you sound? How self-centered you sound when you speak to people as if they were a big pile of nothing, not better then you and your opinions but definitely inferior by a mile?

I want to think that’s not your intention, but its becoming (gradually) difficult because with your erroneous assumptions, accusations and why not, “challenges”, it sounds all like the attack of a “loyal” fan who once again will say anything to support the “victim”.

What makes you so perfect to think there's no one here that can write or do a decent job when it comes to “Writing” and the “art of words/literature/lyrics/etc.”? So, just because YOU cant, and because you FAIL to be good at literature and other subjects that connect to modern and cult language in order to know and learn how to write and create a decent plot and expand the visions and ideas of this plot in a matter minutes or hours to elaborate something fantastic, no one else can?

Is Vogel your ultimate god of literature now? There's no one in this forum that has any artistic qualities that actually make them a good writer just because “YOU seriously doubt it”?

I can brag about my awards and the career I'm currently studying that is actually making me a great writer and helps me to learn even more and improve in order to grow in many ways, but I don’t have to prove you or anyone anything. So stop being disrespectful.

Many like me have actually liked and loved Vogels amazing job in the storyline and supported him with the awesome stuff he has written (for me, specially in MKDA), so just because we analyze these stuff with different eyes then yours about how and what decent writing is, doesn’t make any of us the “bad guys”, nor people who dislike Vogel and his work. If anything, I have seen excellent writers give their opinion without bashing Vogels job when they could had bashed it, but they didn’t, we didn’t, because one isnt demanding perfection from him or anyone.

You constantly speak as if everyone who “complains” about a bio is instantly the “bad guy” who is crucifying Vogel for his “lame work”. WRONG!

If I'm speaking like this is because of your attacks. Maybe you didn’t mean them to sound the way they sound, but you should learn to think carefully before you post. This is something I have told you in the past, so there must be a reason, don’t you think?

MKF said:***I seriously doubt anyone here that "rips MK and midway" all the time saying OMG, once again a let down, blah, blah...wouldn't be able to write anything the least bit creative, yet are very demanding about it. Easy to judge someones elses writing yet most likely wouldn't be able to come with anything good themselves I'd bet.

How arrogant. Just read above because that part is basically the same.

And yes, you would loose that bet to others whose writing qualities are actually amazing and quite impressive. Again, just because Vogel seems to be, to you, the god of literature, and again, just because you seriously doubt anyone here can write anything that’s even half as good as his job: doesn’t mean its true.

Analyze your words. Its frustrating to discuss this stuff with you because I like you, but then you, out of no where, take out the knifes and start striking when there isn’t any reason to strike for.

MKF said:***First of all, I DON'T ignore facts, what some fans call "facts" are indeed nothing more but their own opinion ok.

I wont even bother to make a list because I don’t have the time nor do I have to, all real fans know what I'm talking about, but you don’t seem to realize *what* facts we are talking about.

FACT:

- We were promised many important things for the conclusion of this game (you know all of them since you “know everything about MK”), but once again most were not delivered.

- We were lied/screwed to...again. Or if you want to be nicer, they simply “didn’t deliver their promises”.

MKF said:***That's not fact, that's opinion there's a fact for ya.

The mentioned above are not opinions, they are, indeed, nothing more then: Facts. Ok?

So don’t talk to me as if I were stupid or don’t know what I'm talking about. Think before you post!

MKF said:***Also, I see the ignorance of gameplay views on here as well it makes me sick but I won't even go there because unless you play MK at a higher level or spend more then a few weeks/days with each game understanding the fundamentals, properties and such, a player won't understand fully unless he does one of the above. The 3D MK's might not be "perfect" but they're FAR from what a lot of fans say how bad they are.

Yeah, I know that. Just because I don’t play at a “higher level” like you do doesn’t make me stupid or a complete ignorant of the facts. I too have defended Mk from the constant bitching about how sucky and dreadful its gameplay is because many of the comments were biased and unconstructive, even if they were correct in many ways, they weren’t useful.

Why do you even bring this subject to the conversation when it’s not relevant unless you are trying to say I'm “one of those fans” who bitch about the gameplay, etc?

Have I ever “bashed” the gameplay? If anything, I have been very constructive with my posts and views, specially because I don’t commit suicide by talking and talking about stuff I don’t fully know or understand, unlike you, I don’t do that, nor do I brag, nor do I take others opinions as if they were wrong and inferior to mine, when they are just what you say they are: opinions.

MKF said:***Second, I know what the MK team told us, I know everything about MK.

Oh!...Please, forgive me Sr.

How very arrogant of you Mkf.

MKF said:***You must realize that I know every MK game isn't perfect,

That’s great, but I have never said the contrary. And yes, I also dislike the annoying bashing about Mks gameplay when it’s not constructive.

MKF said:***no game is however and I've been following this series before most on here ok.

I'm sure you have, as I'm also sure there are many others who have also fallowed these series before you or as much as you. Does that make them better then you? I think not, so your statement above is unnecessary unless you are trying to prove something. Are you trying to prove you are better???

Being in love with the game since day one before other people doesn’t make you a better fan, nor does it make you more loyal, nor does it make you a better person. Ok?

MKF said:***I never said on here "MK is perfect" there are "no flaws" that's what you're saying I've said. I never said that so please stop saying I have.

Really? Because if I’m not mistaking, what I have said is that you always find a way to defend the game and its team. So why do you ask me to “please stop saying I have” when I have never phrased those words? I never said you said the game is perfect and that is has no flaws. You create assumptions everywhere!

But for that part, I apologize for the misunderstanding. Perhaps you felt attacked and maybe that’s why you wrote what you wrote with the erroneous stated thoughts (that you even made them sound as a fact about things I have never said) , and it wasn’t my intention. I apologize for that.

I never said nor will say you think “Mk is perfect” and that “is has no flaws”, unlike you in many things you said above about me, I don’t hurry to judge before I know the facts.

What I did say and will say is that even though you agree the game has its flaws, you just ignore them, and you are always bashing on people who think different then you and talk about this flaws. Just because someone doesn’t like something about MK, you seem to immediately react offended and write crap such as “ungrateful fans” and later play with words making assumptions and stuff that isn’t correct and it’s not fair.

You ask for respect and that people learn to accept others opinions, you should learn to do the same. What do you care if there are some who bash the game when there are many others who like it, love it and give constructive criticism if necessary?

Are you aware that you have come to generalize everyone into two groups of people, the ones who never complain about a thing, and the ones who always complain about everything? You are completely wrong, and you have mistaken into taking this offensive attitude.

You generalize. You have divided fans into the extreme, into what in your mind seems to be correct. You don’t seem to be aware that even though there are some people who go to those “extremes”: not EVERYONE is like that.

So, instead, I ask you to please stop doing that. This post proves what I say. You have taken me into that generalized group, deformed my words, and hell, you even said I said stuff I never did.

MKF said:***I know there's some things to be answered and things some fans want but you know what? MK team could put out a near to perfect game and have actually, yet always someone bitching about it.

SO WHAT!!!!!!!!!!

Stop caring to that extreme about what other people think and say about the game!!! Stop living from our opinions!!!! For once, care about your own and defend it with justice and fairness, and stop moaning about this making everyone feel unpleasant, inferior and even annoyed.

Like I said, even if there is someone who will bitch about it, there will be many of us in front and behind loving what they did, so its worth to do it for the fans! For the ones who actually care even if there’s a group who doesn’t.

The only thing you do with your post above is come off as a conformist, with a silly excuse to why “it’s not bad” the bad things they have done.

MKF said:***Example, most here aren't even aware that UMK3 is factually the best MK game gameplay wise yet some people say well MKD or MK:DA or MK 2....no, it's UMK3.

Yeah, extremely old news. Tell me something I don’t know.

MKF said:***Not only do I follow the series but I also play all at high level, I'm more then aware of what needs to be fixed and not.

There you go again....with that arrogance...Is that your intention?

MKF said:***Here's another fact for you, balance wise and gameplay wise best 3D MK is MK:DA. MK:A though is a lot better then MKD easily since MKD is just an offensive fest, MKA you have the wake up and parry system to help out(well when used correctly anyway)

Well, that’s another fact for you as well, isn’t it?

Does it make you better then me to brag about that, when you were the one who in the past, constantly said MKA was THE best of the 3D games gameplay wise and that it was vastly improved compared to MKDA AND MKD?

You also had to learn that didn’t you? So I don’t see any relevance in your post at all. It was not necessary to brag about that nor to “educate” me about the matter in such way. Its funny but very sad to see you talk like that when months ago you were saying something completely different concerning the gameplay of the 3D games.

Saying MKA was better then MKDA and MKD.

Its no news to most of us that MKA is a better game then MKD (that you also defended and rarely said anything against it until MKA came along) , as for MKDA being better then MKA gameplaywise, well: I don’t know. But if you say it is, then you might be correct. I don’t have any reason to discuss this, disagree or say different, because its just not relevant. You just sound completely arrogant!

MKF said:***Another thing that I've noticed, no offense but I've seen people like you dude post about the most trivial things such as "someones bio not good enough" yet others will say it's awesome....come on? What the hell do you want already?

What the hell do I want? Hmmm, lets see, *gasp!* I know!: Read above and you WILL understand ONLY IF you analyze the post correctly before posting offensive and erroneous assumptions.

And again, don’t be a hypocrite about those “trivial” things you talk about.

And again, stop generalizing and stop talking as if others opinions are less then yours and are all wrong.

You CARE WAYYYYY too much about what other people have to say about MK, about their opinions specifically, specially when talking about something that’s bad about the game.

If my posts are trivial to you, that’s fine with me and I couldn’t care less because that’s your opinion, so very different from the opinion of many many others who happen to agree. So I respect it. Forgive the arrogance, and please, no offense.

MKF said:***If every fan got what they wanted the storyline would be extremely fucked up and beyond, you do know that right?..who wants this guy to live, that guy to die etc. ha, ha...right

*sigh*

You can’t please everyone, we know that. You speak as if everyone who talks something “bad” about the storyline is demanding perfection or demanding things to be done the way they want it to be done. If you pay close attention, there are people like that, but there are also MANY others who just ask for a decent storyline.

And we are in our right to demand for that storyline. To demand for a decent storyline.

Come on mkf, its really not THAT hard to understand. It’s quite easy. Just learn and swallow a little respect for others and you might be on the right track. Its not that hard.

MKF said:***Or say someones "costume" not good enough. Are you kidding me?

God you are so full of excuses and annoying assumptions!

Why do you keep mentioning the annoying costume thing to me as if that was the most important thing for me ever in an MK game? I have the right to say I don’t like a costume or wanted a new costume if I want to, but that doesn’t make me a MK hater or whiner does it? It’s even been ages since last I talked about a costume so I don’t know why the hell you keep talking about that.

Is it necessary to use it to prove a point that cant be proven? What is it that you are trying to prove by bringing up stuff like this that has no relevance to me and use it as a “weapon” in order to prove a point that’s being build in your mind eye by lies or twisted confusion??? Stop being such a hypocrite!

Actually, you should think about stop kidding yourself.

MKF said:***Try focusing on the important things for a change instead of someones bio not being long enough or short enough or good enough.

*sigh*

Try learning to accept others opinions and respect them for a change, for just because you feel everything one “complains” about MK is unimportant, doesn’t mean you are correct.

There's no point in discussing this with you because the ONLY thing you have done is put fake words in and made extremely wrong assumptions to prove your points, when you didn’t have to take that unfair strategy...at all.

MKF said:***MK still EASILY has the best storyline out of any other fighting game. Just read it for yourself and if you can't see that then you're just blind, what can I say?

*Yawn*...tell me something I don’t know for a change.

Just because it still has the best storyline doesn’t mean I have to become a conformist such as yourself, and think the way you do.

MKF said:***I suggest you try to be more open minded

LOL, mkf, you have no idea what you are talking about!

By the mere fact that you suggested that, I can easily say that you are just full of assumptions. So maybe, most of your post above isn’t as bad as you make it sound because it’s not your intention...or is it?

MKF said:***and try to look at things from the MK teams point of view, if you have Midway over your shoulders telling you "your job is to do this, not that" and they say nahh I think I'll do what I want because the bios aren't finished...guess what? You won't have ANY MK because that's a good way to lose your job all together...


Yes. This is something many many fans have done constantly for the team ever since the annoying lies or “unfulfilled” promises, but that just sounds like another excuse from you...as if you were working for them...Dont you get we are sick of the "lies" or "unfulfilled promises"?. First think, then post or even better, ask me before you do to get your facts straight.

MKF said:***I'm sure Vogel wants to finish up the bios, but if he's told by his superiors "work on MK8 bios" to answer MKA's conclusion, then what do you expect him and the MK team to do? Think about that.

Yeah, no one has said “its all Vogels fault!” etc, so most of us are all aware of that, we don’t need you to tell us to “think about that” when its pretty obvious. But even so, the mistakes have been so continuous and the lies or “not kept promises” so constant that the same annoying excuses aren’t serving them well, and they disserve it, even if you don’t like it.

I'm sorry but with your attack in this post, unless you say to me otherwise and that it wasn’t your intention, you came off as an arrogant egocentric kid who relies on fake assumptions in order to prove a point. You insulted me by saying I said things I never did, generalizing, erroneous assumptions, etc. And you even made funny suggestions that simply suggest you don’t know me and should have thought carefully before posting what you did.

Think before you post, that’s just something you don’t do.

And with or without the attack in this post, like you have been told by others, I'm sorry, but you just came off as a disrespectful fanboy.

You might not be a fanboy, but you sure sounded like one.

Shame on you! Learn some respect for yourself AND other people!

MKF said:***I am an MK fan, yes I'm not denying this but my point is. Part of being an authentic" true MK fan is sticking with it thru the ups and downs. Not just the ups or when most people sway the way the wind's blowing...

And WHY the hell do you keep assuming everyone who says something against something about Mk is a bad guy and not loyal?

MKF said:***But you see, ignorant people will say" you're a fan boy" whatever you like can do no wrong.

Kingjolly is not an ignorant. If you are not a fanboy, is not his fault that your post above, and this one, makes you look otherwise.

It sucks when people make “this” sort of erroneous assumptions, doesn’t it? But in this case, its your fault for not being clear and the unfair strategy you used to prove your points. You could had done so without the fake assumptions that even look like lies!

MKF said:***That's not what I'm saying so please try to understand where I'm going with this. I said clear as day I'll criticise(but in a mature fashion) instead of posting something like " Midway sucks ass, once again let down" with no facts or reasonable explanation to back that up.

You are such a hypocrite!

If this is true, what was all your bashing against me about? Am I one of those individuals who just say “Midway sucks” and don’t elaborate, give facts, reasons, etc.?

Sorry if it sounds arrogant but I'm well known for posting well detailed and reasonable explanations to back up my thoughts, ideas, views and opinions, as well as the fact that I do it always in “a mature fashion” and constructive way.

If you really feel like this, then most of the stuff you said above was unnecessary, specially your constant assumptions to attack. Why did you do that if you really knew what you were talking about?

Why did you have to go to that erroneous level?

MKF said:***If Midway/MK honestly let "so many fans" down as some say KJ, do you really think MK would still exist to this day? No way.

You addressed to him but I will respond anyways: You have no idea what you are talking about.

Many fans are displeased with how they were let down by Midway, the team or whatever, but that doesn’t mean the game wont sell, does it? And even if this is just one of a million billon websites, the vast majority here is displeased with MK, and its team (that SHOULD tell you something), and many do post in very mature ways and have facts to back up their thoughts. And that goes without even saying that this is probably considered by many THE mk site, including the mkteam/midway, etc.

If you are so sick of this people, then you should start looking into those other boards were a majority don’t complain, but just love the games. If you stay here is because you like Mk and know of the big importance of this site in terms of Mk among other things. Now, all you need to learn is to RESPECT others opinions, that are in no way, inferior to yours, or wrong.

MKF said:***Think of it like this King Jolly, since I'm a sports fan as well. I love the Yankees, some people hate em. Now, if you're a fan of the Yankees and become a Met fan when the Yankees are doing badly..that's not a true Yankee fan, that's a fake fanatic/poser/fair weather fan....

You have seriously made this ridiculous...a big deal out of no where.

Stop generalizing. Not everyone who says one tiny bad thing about Mk is like that. LEARN THAT! You are seriously wrong!

We are NOT divided into what seems to be two extremely opposite groups you have created inside your mind.

Sure there are people like that, but NOT EVERYONE!

MKF said:***I just laugh at people like that because they have no clear view of what a fanatic is.

Yeah, me too. Those types of people are ridiculous.

(not being sarcastic nor attacking you, I'm just agreeing with your post)

MKF said:***A true Yankee fan, such as myself for example will root for them regardless if they have a shitty year or a great one. Another example of this is this man,

Wait...MKF...nevermind...though we do understand your point, one thing has nothing to do with the other. I get your point, but your example serves badly, no offense.

MKF said:***example some ignorant Yankee fans say A-rod shouldn't come back, he can't handle the pressure yet that's bs. Why? well, for one most Yankee fans this year FORGET that he was the key reason why they even made it to the playoffs....he's the MVP and won 7 games alone by himself with walk off homers...they got in as the wild card(meaning the team with the best second place record in the league out of all the divisions, and was 2 out of first place. I rest my case. MK won't be dead for a while.

Yankees and Mk...just read above.

MKF said:***As long as the fans/or fighting enthusiasts keep buying the games Midway/MK team will continue to make them.

Very true. But this isn’t supposed to be good concerning the facts, yet it really exhilarates you!

Don’t get me wrong, I don’t want MK to die either, and I love the series...but many of us are seriously tired of excuses and seeing that some people don’t learn from their mistakes.

MKF said:***If MK was soo hated and soo bad we wouldn't have gotten MK:DA after a 5 year absense since MK 4......

True. And thank God for that! MKDA was fantastic despite its flaws! My favorite game of all.

But just because the game continues and is being bought by fans, fanboys and other people, it doesn’t mean its not bad in the areas that is sooo bad, and that its not hated in the areas that are sooo hated. Just because it sells, it doesn’t mean is overall a positive product.

This things can fool people gravely.

MKF said:***Where ever there's a negative fanbase, there's also a positive one. That's the way I see it for any game really,

No offense, but in your post above, as I explained lengthily, you imply something else and you rely in conformism, assumptions and excuses. Above, you said that even if they deliver an almost perfect game, someone will always bitch, MKF, you seem to not care that for that very reason, its all OK, that the bad things can be “forgiven”.

You practically implied/said that it doesn’t matter, because there will always be fans who “bitch”. So, because of that people (and while you generalized, I'm just referring to the ones who don’t give constructive criticism) it doesn’t matter that the rest of the fans are screwed? Its contradictory, and sorry, I know I used this word a lot, it sounds like hypocrisy.

MKF said:***but seriously...these bios should not be Midway's # 1 objective, don't care what anyone says at this point..the story will go on,

Now that’s true. It shouldn’t be their current #1 priority since Mk8 is on the works, but it should had been among their main priorities back then. So, it’s not our fault they failed to delivered the product they promised and “sold us” through “lies” or “unfulfilled promises”, it’s not our fault.

MKF said:***it's still good for a fighting game and that's what counts.

Conformist. Shame on you!

And you call yourself a real fan? What the hell is wrong with you? Shame on you, it sure as hell isn’t enough that: “that’s what counts”. How very predictable.

Conformism is NOT a good thing, specially when you just feel conformist and contended with mediocrity. And because we disagree with your conformism, you consider our opinions trivial and less then yours, you considered us ignorant or stupid, and of course, “mk haters”.

MKF said:***I'm positive MK 8 will address what happened after MKA and before MK8 obviously...

*sigh*...Obviously.

That’s no secret, it’s what should be done anyways.

MKF said:***As for the story was never "stellar" well that argument can be said about most video games stories except for a select few, but come on. You'd be lying to yourself if you honestly believe MK's story isn't superior to other fighting games at least.

I agree.

But again, you seem to be full of contradictory thoughts, maybe you are just not clear enough, but since you are very conscious that the story is important and that it has been part of MK since the very beginning and what caught the attention of many fans (not all obviously) even before the blood and violence and controversy, then you should know better then to say we complain about “trivial” things.

MKF said:***No story to me is "perfect" but MK's does have a very appealing and interesting story easily if you ask me, when compared to SF or Tekken....how many video game stories are "fantastic"? like none, they're either good or bad I never heard of a "fantastic" storyline for a game. That's a bit of a strong word if you think about it, don't ya think?

No.

There are fantastic storylines out there, and guess what, just because you have “never heard of a fantastic” storyline for a game doesn’t mean him, me, or anyone else hasn’t. STOP generalizing.

I consider MKs story to be fantastic!

Does that make me a fanboy? No, it doesn’t it.

Does it make me a fan? It sure does.

Will I “complain” if there is something wrong without insulting Vogel, the team etc. and be constructive in the process? I sure as hell will.

Will I shut up just because someone considers my thoughts inferior or trivial? No, I sure as hell wont. Specially if that person is making erroneous assumptions and contradicting himself in two posts at the same time.

MKF said:***I'd definitely want Vogel and perhaps some new writers also if I had Midway.

So, all of the sudden you think that there are capable artists equal, or maybe superior to Vogel?

You were egotistically saying you doubted me or anyone here could do a better job. So, it has to be someone who doesn’t belong to mkonline.com?

I'm sorry, but the contradictory posts just amuse me.

You insult me by easily assuming I cant write nor will ever write as good as Vogel, saying in between lines I have bitched (when I NEVER have) about his job, and much more nonsense among many many things.

Really dude: I love you, but, you were definitely biased with your response, even if it wasn’t your intention, and you said plenty of crappy “lies” or assumptions to prove your points, and that was not necessary.

For the last time: think before you post, and learn to respect others opinions. Arrogance, ego and coming off as a disrespectful (which you were) fanboy (though I know you are not) will get you nowhere.

That’s something you severely lack. You can’t expect people to respect you if that’s the very thing you don’t do with the rest.

Don’t contradict yourself and write elaborated and clearer lines for the future. Learn to express yourself without coming off as immature or disrespectful. Post without generalizing, stop doing that, you insult people without wanting to do so by generalizing, and stop the ego and arrogance you showed with your post implying that you alone know more MK then the rest of us, that just because you seem to not be able to do certain things such as write beautifully, etc. no one else can, and that just because you don’t agree with our opinions, then we are wrong, trivial and insignificant...less then you.

Being mediocre or a conformist is also something that you should learn not to be, for that’s what you practically said in your entire post while defending the game/team etc. I apologize for anything I could had said that offended you, but sorry man, you are being a hypocrite.

And finally, just because I don’t feel contented with an specific MK game because of X reasons that doesn’t make me a hater or a whiner, specially considering the case that the final installment was a big slap on the face to the real fans. Many people feel this way and you know it. If soooo many people feel like this, there's got to be an accurate reason, its not just our imagination or simple “trivial” complains. Read Skavens last post btw, he said it nicely.

Also, please don’t quote this huge post as it will look horrible in the thread, if you want to say something, say it, but please, don’t quote unless its extremely necessary to do so for some certain words.

Loads of love MKF.

2 reasons why I'm not surprised...

#1 They were taking forever to release the bios. I mean wasn't there like a 1 - 3 month gap period between each release? There's no way all the 63 bios would have been released before MK8 on time at that rate.

#2 They aren't making any money off of the MKA bios. To me, it seemed rather generous of them to release at least some. Without making profit, it was all free entertainment, so of course, pulling the plug on the bios isn't a major concern for them as it is for us.

I'm pissed cuz now I'll never know what the genius Vogel would have come up with for characters like Sindel, Jade, Reptile, and other favs of mine. Even Scorpion and Sub-Zero didn't get bios, surprisingly.

If they just would have released the bios faster, it wouldn't have turned out this way. Since they're surely well into MK8's development by now, of course they'd rather focus their complete attention on that.

Another thing that bugs me though is that stories aren't that hard to come up with, especially for someone as talented as Vogel. Why did it take them so damn long to release the bios in the first place? It's been over a year since MKA's release and we didn't even get half of the bios.

Anyway, hopefully MK8 will compensate for MKA's miserable disappointments. And on the good news, the damn game is only one year away from release now.

Again, I think you completely missed most of what I was saying honestly.

I'm not putting words into anyones mouths, nor am I arrogant. I hate arrogance especially when it's blind and misguided.

All I'm saying is that people should try to develop a more constructive, mature way of criticism instead of just posting "Midway fails again, Midway sucks or MK team sucks" yet do you know how incredibly arrogant and ignorant that sounds Queve? Honestly, I don't think you do. First of all when I see posts like "MK team lied" ummm, hello...Midway is in charge NOT the MK team, as I said earlier they don't call the shots, Midway does. MK team WORKS for Midway. So, when I see comments like MK team lies, or MK team shouldn't start something they can't finish umm I just have to laugh seriously. The MK team has say on the MK games to a point, but they're not in charge of everything. Even the "MK team" has a boss, just want to point that out to you.


I will be honest though, I hate fake fans no matter what the topic is. Could be sports, politics or games. If you say you support something or are a fan of it, then go back on your word like a lot of people have done it really makes you look silly.


Most people on here either now or in the past have ripped MK for dumb, silly reasons then infact contradict themselves later on when they do see something they like saying" there is hope, or MK delivers" yet prior to that will talk about it as if Midway did something to them personally...

Second off, umm I never said "shut up" so again, you're misunderstanding me completely. If I said, shut up I'd would be direct and literally tell you just that. I didn't so please, don't put words in my mouth nor assume.

All I said was merely pointing out the fact that for the people that "rip MK's writing" constantly is this, it's easy to do when you're from the sidelines but I'd bet anything those people wouldn't be able to cook up anything remotely that good. That's what I said and what I meant.

The fact that you took it as "shut up and like the MK bios" shows immaturity because that's not what I said.

Actually, on gameplay the only game I wasn't sure of at first or might have been wrong was MKD at first but I learned really fast what the problems were and what not. Since I do afterall play them all at high level, it's not arrogance it's fact from experience.

Reasons why you've listed or others are simply not true at times or misguided. MKA is not worse then MKD is gameplay wise, MKD is nothing but an offensive game with no wake up game, no counter game, good tech roll game. MKA does have it's own issues but they did address these problems which does in fact make it playable.

I mean not to insult you, but I could easily say the same about your accusations against me with "ohh because I'm a huge MK fan I know nothing, so I'll show bias"

Dude, that's way off no offense. I've criticized them for things, but all I'm saying is that it's the "important" things really important as oppose to trivial things like costumes, a characters bio disappointing or someons weapon....

Trivial, trivial, trivial.


I might have said something about someones costume for a second but I won't make it my #1 priority when a new MK game comes out. Storyline is opinion ok, some people like it now, others don't and some don't even care about it. I for on am pleased with MK's overall storyline compared to the other fighting games. No story is perfect, I understand this but it's still very appealing to me and feel personally at times "certain fans" can get a bit too testy with it. All I'm saying.

Gameplay is what people should be concerned with first, then graphics, then online play. These things are much more important then someones bio, costume or weapon easily. Agreed?


Now onto a few other things which I'll try my best make short, for one you took a lot of what I said personally. I A.never called you stupid B. never said that Vogel is the only writer in the world who can write. However, in general a lot of people on here or elsewhere that are quick to judge in a few sentences without an actual reasonable explanation is seriously a joke to me. That's why I said that.

Umm, ok let's just agree to disagree with "MK being an enjoyable fighting game or not" I like it, some don't, some like some of them. Whatever, that's their personal preference but at the same time I'm very aware of which MK games are better then others from a gameplay point of view.

As for being comfortable with everything, I'm not but at the same time understand that Midway and the MK team won't be able to possibly please every single fan.

Hell, this isn't even just about MK. I've seen it with various games, Halo series even. I mean Halo 2 and Halo 3 really aren't that "drastically" different, yes they made some tweaks and it's online play is great(the main reason people buy it) but if you play Halo 2 then play Halo 3, the difference isn't really "extreme" I know people on other sites if not this one that hate Halo and love Half Life. Yet, I'll see posts about MK and midway as if they're the only company that "never delivers" while there's other games out there as well that are just as bitched about if not more.

Very similar case with MKD and MKA. There are SOME differences, but not many.

Look at KI 3, you want to talk about lying to fans, misleading them? ha, ha, ha. For years RARE has been teasing, lying to the fans saying" We'd like to see a KI 3 some day" yet...funny, last time I checked no KI 3...

Capcom, ok FINALLY they're making a SF 4...took them long enough though.

And Namco finally going online with Tekken and most likely SC as well.

Now, I'm merely pointing out some flaws in other fighting games Queve, my point is as good as all fighters might be(whichever game) they can't be PERFECT.

That's what I see on here sometimes, some fans that require perfection yet are ignorant to the fact that no matter which game you like, that's not happening.

I want improvements too, questions answered as well but will it make me say "Ok, this guys bio wasn't made or this costume is too rebel looking" so screw MK, I'm done with it. Not at all, yet if you read some posts on here dude you'd see for yourself exactly what I'm talking about.

So, again my post is addressing the typical, general same people who always post the same shit about MK in a negative fashion. You must realize again, those people I used to "fight" with on here are all banned, were assholes to MKO in general and spammed the general, MKD forums...and knew nothing of MK because they were fans of other series and were doing more boasting about those games then seeing the light in MK games. Understand what I'm saying? At any case, as I said they all got banned a long time ago and I'm still here, that's gotta tell you something.

Some of which might even think MK 4 is the best or UMK3 is the worst or MK1 is the best gameplay wise...

Also, another thing Queve that I want you to be aware of. Most fans on here now days I've noticed grew up on the the mid MK era, say from MK4-present. I've for one started from the beginning so I suppose I shouldn't be TOO surprised with ignorant comments but I'll still address the issue if I feel I must or if I see something way off. Or I'll see comments like MKT should be online, NOT UMK3 arcade....if you know anything of the two games you'll surely understand why I shake my head of that concept. I'm sure you do understand and see where I'm going with this.

I respect your views and understand you and at the same time I might disagree with some things pertaining to MK, that's fine all I ask is the same in return man. One thing you should know about me by now is this dude, I'm often "firm" with my views when I need to be, it doesn't mean I'm an ass or arrogant. That was people like 1tru king way back, ok that's NOT me.

I'm not insulting you, that's not my intention and would be pointless but at the same time I'm not jumping on the "anti-MK bandwagon" either because they can't finish the bios....

I'm merely posting my point of view on this topic like I do with any other topic so if you disagree, that's fine dude just respect my views as I respect yours. Only thing I ask for.

Seriously, I don't think anyone said that this was the end of the world; merely stating their disappointment with this announcement, as am I. It stinks that Midway allowed Boon/Vogel to put out a few of those bios and then stop them before even half of them are done.

I'm glad that the team is devoting their attentions to the next game, hopefully it'll be the best thing since MK II, but, this news does say a lot about what Midway thinks of the supporters of one of their more successful sseries.

Yes, Midway is a business and at the end of the day they're out to make a buck, but part of being a businiess is also satisfying the customers. Way to go on that front, Midway.

Well, perhaps you're not, queve isn't and I'm not making out to be "the end of the world" dude but some fans are and with MK8 being worked on, I just find that ridiculous to go ape over bios from MKA...

I also understand it's a business run buy Midway, that's why I mentioned Midway is the company, not the MK team. Obviously they told the MK team to "work on some bios" then stop to concentrate on MK8, I totally understand that because as many fans that there are disappointed with the incomplete bios, I'm positive there's MUCH more out there that are more concerned with MK 8 being an awesome, improved game. Wouldn't you say?

Pleasing the customer well, that's something that is opinion. Some fans are pleased, others not and some in between. That concept goes for all companies, which is why I mentioned RARE, Capcom etc. It's not just Midway.

EA is another company that's disappointed at times, online servers are crap at times, Acclaim went out of business and disappointed EVERY time just about with Turok and now it's finally being remade by another company after all these years...

Let's hope they can use the cutting edge technology of the next gen consoles to include the relevant character and story information in the game itself, this time.

I think advances in text technology have sufficiently caught up.
Maybe some pictures, too. It'll be great.

Sad. Very, very sad.

Know what? I think I'm gonna just flush every single bit of MK continuity post MKGold down the shitter. It's best to just forget everything that's led up to this.

Can't believe I used to love the series as much as I did, and now, all I want is wait for SF4 to come around and bury it for another 10 years.

the MK team has to much stuff in ther plates, i think that the best idea whould be to just forget the bios and write an ending to the whole mk legacy on a bookjust give it a proper sendoff instead of a huge gaping crater in to plot.

Yeah! a good would be a very good idea!

I wish they released that book instead of more sketches books...