tgrant Wrote: Now going back to the possession theory and the thought of no soul being able to exist in Raidens body, what if it was another gods soul within Raidens body. Namely, Shinnok. Shinnok is mentioned on Raidens bio as one of his foes. What if Shinnok were to have been released from the Netherealm and his soul transferred into Raidens body or what if it took it over somehow. Raiden, after releasing his essence would have been powerless to stop this. Shinnok, as a god would have been able to withstand Raidens good essence, despite being evil. In this way, he may have been powerful enough to take over Raidens body and merge with Raidens essence. This would give Shinnok Raidens powers and complete control over Raidens body. Crow mentioned that Shang Tsung could have assisted here. He would give Shinnok his amulet back if he has it and Shinnok could give Shang eternal life. However, again this probably couldn’t happen as Shinnok would exist in the Netherealm in his own body. I doubt anyone would want to free him other than Noob Saibot.

As many have stated, I think it is more likely that Raiden's story isn't as complex as many of the theories being created regarding his presence. However, it is always interesting to imagine complex scenarios such as this one. Shinnok most likely could inhabit Raiden's body, perhaps even existing with Raiden in the same body. Thus, it would account for Raiden retaining his powers, but it could explain his darker attributes. If Shinnok is ever to return, he will obviously be seeking his amulet from Quan Chi. If the Quan Chi's alliance with Shang Tsung still exists in this game, Shang Tsung would most likely be willing to steal the amulet for Shinnok in exchange for eternal life. The Soulnado may have been affected by the Dragon King's arrival, or Quan Chi may have severed it himself for other reasons. Shang Tsung's main goal is preserving his youth, whereas others as the Dragon King are obsessed with dominating all realms. He would be the only person of any use to Shinnok, as his goals are the same.

Anyhow, I have a feeling Raiden is simply Raiden, just slightly weakened.

TemperaryUserName Wrote: Good theories, but I think Raiden's condition is less complex then we think. To me, Raiden doesn't appear to be dead or possessed, but really war-torn. Like he just got out of a brutal battle with a even-matched foe. I believe the reason his eyes are red are because when he's in full health and strong, his eyes glow white. When he's weakened and damaged on both physically and spiritually(from the ethereal sacrafice), it reflects in his eye color. Just my theory.

Your probably right, in which case the eye colour is a sign of weakness and pain. This being MK, I still think there will be slightly more to the situation than that. We're dealing with an incredibly powerful being. We know he released his essence, possibly hurting him physically or spiritually. Hopefully the damage to him didn't extend beyond that.

And thanks to everyone who kept this thread the way I wanted it to be.

~Crow~ Wrote: tgrant Wrote: Now going back to the possession theory and the thought of no soul being able to exist in Raidens body, what if it was another gods soul within Raidens body. Namely, Shinnok. Shinnok is mentioned on Raidens bio as one of his foes. What if Shinnok were to have been released from the Netherealm and his soul transferred into Raidens body or what if it took it over somehow. Raiden, after releasing his essence would have been powerless to stop this. Shinnok, as a god would have been able to withstand Raidens good essence, despite being evil. In this way, he may have been powerful enough to take over Raidens body and merge with Raidens essence. This would give Shinnok Raidens powers and complete control over Raidens body. Crow mentioned that Shang Tsung could have assisted here. He would give Shinnok his amulet back if he has it and Shinnok could give Shang eternal life. However, again this probably couldn’t happen as Shinnok would exist in the Netherealm in his own body. I doubt anyone would want to free him other than Noob Saibot. As many have stated, I think it is more likely that Raiden's story isn't as complex as many of the theories being created regarding his presence. However, it is always interesting to imagine complex scenarios such as this one. Shinnok most likely could inhabit Raiden's body, perhaps even existing with Raiden in the same body. Thus, it would account for Raiden retaining his powers, but it could explain his darker attributes. If Shinnok is ever to return, he will obviously be seeking his amulet from Quan Chi. If the Quan Chi's alliance with Shang Tsung still exists in this game, Shang Tsung would most likely be willing to steal the amulet for Shinnok in exchange for eternal life. The Soulnado may have been affected by the Dragon King's arrival, or Quan Chi may have severed it himself for other reasons. Shang Tsung's main goal is preserving his youth, whereas others as the Dragon King are obsessed with dominating all realms. He would be the only person of any use to Shinnok, as his goals are the same. Anyhow, I have a feeling Raiden is simply Raiden, just slightly weakened.

Great theory Crow. Shang helping Shinnok would be agreat story and is quite possible. How he'd get the amulet from Quan is a different matter and maybe Kano could help out there just like in their endings.

As for Shinnok getting the amulet, I'm not too sure if he would actually help Shang and give him youth. Although he would owe him a great deal. If Shang did get his youth back, then maybe Shinnok could rise to power in Raidens body and gain the help of the Earth warriors and try to stop the Dragon King. Shang Tsung can meanwhile sit back and watch or help out, or even kill Quan.

Hyukan: Great pic of Raiden!

FLSTYLE Wrote: DMitch Wrote: Great theory. Mods, give him some Dragon Points. He deserves them... If other people's ideas in threads that have a lot of people posting in don't get DP's but these ideas do because they were made in a separate thread I'll be making a complaint or 2 about the DP system

If that were the case...it would not be tgrant's fault. He, or anyone else other than mods, does not dictate how DP are given. It's not his choice. If he recieves them it's because a MOD liked what he read. tgrant has no control over that at all.

As to the thread. You bring up some interesting theories Ty...I particularly liked the Shinnok theory. And another interesting thing is your theory of Raiden's eye color. Nice theories...though I know you're hoping he hasn't changed at all!

TomTaz Wrote: FLSTYLE Wrote: DMitch Wrote: Great theory. Mods, give him some Dragon Points. He deserves them... If other people's ideas in threads that have a lot of people posting in don't get DP's but these ideas do because they were made in a separate thread I'll be making a complaint or 2 about the DP system If that were the case...it would not be tgrant's fault. He, or anyone else other than mods, does not dictate how DP are given. It's not his choice. If he recieves them it's because a MOD liked what he read. tgrant has no control over that at all. As to the thread. You bring up some interesting theories Ty...I particularly liked the Shinnok theory. And another interesting thing is your theory of Raiden's eye color. Nice theories...though I know you're hoping he hasn't changed at all!

I am hoping he is still good underneath the evil looking appearance. Hopefully hes retained his goodness and is still himself. The eye colour could be to do with almost anything. Whether it be his mood, a sign of possession or just a sign of evil.

And thanks!

Interesting theories for sure.

As I said in another thread, I think it's as simple as him being weakened. He did sacrifice his god-like essence, which I believe is the reason for his appearence. If you notice, he prettu much looks the exact opposite of what he used to. Instead of light blue eyes, he has red eyes. Instead of a mostly white uniform, it's mostly grey. And of course, the war torn cape he wears from the explosion of when he sacrificed his powers.

Interesting Tgrant. I agree with most, but my personal fave theory is Rayden evil.

Even though he is all dark, red eyes and looks almost as deadly as Shang tsung, I think he is still one the side of good, but I really want him evil.

It would be a perfect deception for earth warriors, a perfect ambush, a perfect atrocity! It could evolve his story and it would lead to many potential endings.

Rayden looks badass, that’s all I have to say.

Hmm, I really like that Scorpion Idea. It's a twist on both Scorpion's "I want to get revenge" and Raiden's "I want to save earth and am not going to listen to my bosses" plotlines both have had since MK1.

queve Wrote: Interesting Tgrant. I agree with most, but my personal fave theory is Rayden evil. Even though he is all dark, red eyes and looks almost as deadly as Shang tsung, I think he is still one the side of good, but I really want him evil. It would be a perfect deception for earth warriors, a perfect ambush, a perfect atrocity! It could evolve his story and it would lead to many potential endings. Rayden looks badass, that’s all I have to say.

You say all that and it just seems like that theory would be too obvious for some reason. It would be a great Deception, but it would be risky. Pissed off Earth warriors aren't exactly going to be easy to take down.

I wouldn't want Raiden evil, but if they could pull it off well with a good enough story and reason, I'd be all for it.

Greenroom Wrote: Raiden has always been the same old same old. In hearing his Bio I was hoping to shake up his story and give him a new direction, DEATH. But no, here he is, just Like Kang and Johnny Cage not dead. Irritated beyond belief I am. So Raiden does this huge power blast that per his bio was him "Sacrificing himself". Sacrific being to give something up. It didn't specify Sacrificing his godly powers it said himself which to me and many others meant his life. Damn that it didn't mean that. So to my dissmay we now have a "rough" looking Raiden in the game that has all his same powers as some have now said. If he has all his same powers then what has he given up? His Elder God Status? A cute costume? pretty skin? nice hair? Who Care's? If he has all his same old powers he's given up NOTHING. It's never made a difference in the game whether Raiden was an Elder god or a Thunder god. He had the same powers and was still almost always in the game with no real significant change in his story or powers. The only thing they ever change is his "Status"....WHOOPIE! He is one of the greatest characters who, to me, has become a bore. I was hoping that this storyline does really change the Raiden story and that he isn't just a really worn out Raiden that still has his powers. Because again what would be the point. It's about as significant as the costume change in MK: Annihilation. And the red eyes? Is he sleepy? Take a damn nap grandpa. A dirt nap. Thanks for letting me vent everybody. Sorry for being so pissy I'm just sick of some charaters being brought back just cause. They didn't bring back Rain or Sheeva and I like them better. Ok I promise I'm done......for now.

I see what your saying and understand completely. Regardless, he will still be my fave character. I think MKD is the MK game where everyone is taken in a new direction. Look at the revamps of the returning characters and their stories. I think all the repetive stuff is about to change and be replaced with new, fresh stories. And Raiden looks like he is getting the same treament.

In the trailer it says, "Using the trust and loyalty of an ally to take it all through Deception."

It's clearly stating that one of the characters in Mortal Kombat Deception has been posessed, turned through persuasion, or just allied with another to get more or less of what he/she wanted.

My theory is that it's Rayden.

WAIT HOLD IT HOLD IT! I've got a very good theory.

Raiden released his essence, and it weakened him. Perhaps the Dragon King told Raiden he'd make a deal, since Raiden wishes to protect Earthrealm. He says if you join me, I'll spare your realm. Raiden simply says, "No." so the Dragon King threatens to kill Raiden. But since Raiden thinks Liu Kang is dead, he believes that only he himself can help Earthrealm. So Raiden therefore says, "Ok."
Raiden might later in Deception relize Liu Kang is back, he may turn good if my theory is correct. Although theories are correct about 1/100000000 of the time so I doubt any of the theories on this topic are correct (sorry to put some people down... maybe.)

Hyukan Wrote: WAIT HOLD IT HOLD IT! I've got a very good theory. Raiden released his essence, and it weakened him. Perhaps the Dragon King told Raiden he'd make a deal, since Raiden wishes to protect Earthrealm. He says if you join me, I'll spare your realm. Raiden simply says, "No." so the Dragon King threatens to kill Raiden. But since Raiden thinks Liu Kang is dead, he believes that only he himself can help Earthrealm. So Raiden therefore says, "Ok." Raiden might later in Deception relize Liu Kang is back, he may turn good if my theory is correct. Although theories are correct about 1/100000000 of the time so I doubt any of the theories on this topic are correct (sorry to put some people down... maybe.)

Raiden making a deal with the Dragon King would not be in his nature. I'm sure Raiden would rather die than agree to be enslaved by the Dragon King. As you said however, he might agree to it in order to help save Earth, but the Dragon King would not be true to his word. I'm sure Raiden would only agree if there were some chance of breaking free and turning on the Dragon King.

I have to start gathering information from all thread like Tgrant!

Maybe Raiden sensed some hope that Liu Kang is still alive :)

lol.. man siduu u really dont like tgrant. y???

Siduu101 Wrote: I have to start gathering information from all thread like Tgrant!

Siduu101 Wrote: I have to start gathering information from all thread like Tgrant!

There you go again. Whatever your problem is with me I suggest you just let it out and say it to me rather than making comments like the one above.

I would put money down that Raiden, Liu Kang, and Li Mei have all been possessed or are somehow being controlled by the DK.

Raiden's profile says he sacrificed himself, and failed. I'd say the DK probably took his mortal corpse or whatever was left of him, and brought him back.

Liu Kang was dead, buried, and all the earthrealm warriors knew about it. I can't imagine any of them resurrecting him for the hell of it, so it was probably the DK.

Li Mei was prbably the only one the DA succeeded in truly making a soldier, hence the armor and what not.

It's interesting that Baraka and Mileena are enemies this time around, but they are both working for DK. Baraka leading Tarakan army, and Mileena leading Kitana's army in his name. Who do you think will try to back stab him in the end?

-F.

Fenix Wrote: I would put money down that Raiden, Liu Kang, and Li Mei have all been possessed or are somehow being controlled by the DK. Raiden's profile says he sacrificed himself, and failed. I'd say the DK probably took his mortal corpse or whatever was left of him, and brought him back. Liu Kang was dead, buried, and all the earthrealm warriors knew about it. I can't imagine any of them resurrecting him for the hell of it, so it was probably the DK. Li Mei was prbably the only one the DA succeeded in truly making a soldier, hence the armor and what not. It's interesting that Baraka and Mileena are enemies this time around, but they are both working for DK. Baraka leading Tarakan army, and Mileena leading Kitana's army in his name. Who do you think will try to back stab him in the end? -F.

The only reason for the Dragon King bringing Raiden back would be as a a means to use him. But that in itself is a dangerous game if Raiden escapes.

Liu Kang isn't fully alive as far as we know. They just told us he'd be in a zombie and spirit form. We can only assume that someone brought him back for now.

Mileena will most likely backstab Baraka and Li Mei most likely did become a soldier.

I have nothing against you Tgrant,I just like making fun of people's thread when I have my personal problems at home.

Dude, please stop using www.uploadit.org
Can't yo usee the 404 error? Is the 404 error some esctor that is damaged in your brain?

Siduu101 Wrote: I have nothing against you Tgrant,I just like making fun of people's thread when I have my personal problems at home.

Siduu101 Wrote: I have nothing against you Tgrant,I just like making fun of people's thread when I have my personal problems at home.

Really? I suggest you refrain from posting your nonsense in my threads and take your useless negativity and problems elsewhere. They're not wanted here in my thread or anyone elses!

If you have problems, talk to someone about them!

I post where I want to,this site is for every mkfan so no one can tell me where to post get that!

Siduu101 Wrote: I post where I want to,this site is for every mkfan so no one can tell me where to post get that!

I'm telling you to stop posting in my threads unless you have something worthwhile and on topic to contribute to it. The same goes for other threads. No one here wants spam replies such as the ones your posting in this thread!