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Subzero_5th
06/02/2004 04:13 AM (UTC)
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Seraph? the younger Subby is more powerful now.

Oh and Part of Scorpion's MK2 ending did happen.
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ZeroJinKui
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06/02/2004 04:23 AM (UTC)
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fashion- Scorpion wins! flawless victory!

depth- Scorpion wins! flawless victory!

kombat- Scorpion wins! FATALITY

pretty obvious who my favorite is...
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ErmacMk5
06/02/2004 04:27 AM (UTC)
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Sub-Zero looks bad ass with his Shredder outfit. And Sub-Zero could kick Scorpion's ass. Sub-Zero's amulet gives him God-like powers. Scorpion just can't hang with Sub-Zero.
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MajinTsung
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06/02/2004 05:17 AM (UTC)
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They didn't undo Scorpion's story, he knew that the new Sub-Zero was the younger Sub-Zero, but Quan Chi in MK4 said not only did Sub-Zero dismember your clan, but he killed your family, which I assume is his wife and child... was it mentioned that his wife and child were killed in the other MKs, no, so this might of been new news to scorpion so he went after the new Sub-Zero, because whatever vow he made to protect Sub-Zero meant nothing in the wake of his family being murdered. After defeating Sub-Zero he finds out Quan Chi killed his family...
I think expanding Scorpion's story about his emotions dealing with his family, he is after Quan Chi for manipulating him, lying to him, and killing his family. Whereever Quan is in MKdeception, I wonder what Scorpion's motivation is in MKD...
Score:
Scorpion(living) vs. Older Sub-Zero:Older Sub-Zero
Scorpion(Spectre) vs. Older Sub-Zero in Netherrealm: Older Sub-Zero
Scorpion vs. Sub-Zero MKI: Scorpion
Scorpion vs. Younger Sub-Zero MKII: Supposedly they might of met and Scorpion spared his life, but to spare his life they would of had to fight, but the fight wasn't confirmed I think...
Scorpion vs. Younger Sub-Zero in MK4: Scorpion wins, but Sub-Zero lives obviously, but finds out the truth about Quan Chi killing his family and they are teleported to Netherrealm due to Quan Chi botching his spell up when Scorpion charges him "NEVER!!!"

So the younger Sub-Zero hasn't beat Scorpion once in the confirmed storylines. The older one did, but to say the Younger one would win hands down probally isn't so... later
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06/02/2004 05:23 AM (UTC)
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Sub-Zero and Scorpion won't fight each other, so neither would win.

So I suggest who will win in a Test Your Might competition?
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34_ThaTruth_34
06/02/2004 05:44 AM (UTC)
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Sub Zero looks like Shredder... my choice in gear is Scorp


and who would win in a fight? um... whoever isnt being controlled by the cpu
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06/02/2004 11:45 AM (UTC)
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XiahouDun84 Wrote:

PsychoFight Wrote:
I swear, are your heads up your asses!? In STATES in no uncertain terms in MK:DA that "For many years, Scorpion had assumed that Sub-Zero murdered his family and clan." Meaning, that Scorpion never found out that Sub-Zero was the younger brother, and assumes to this day that the younger brother is the spirit of the older brother.

Which means they HAD to have met in MK2, therefore Sub-Zero kicking Scorpion's ass, since he's still alive now.

Sub-Zero dealt with alot of stress in MK3. The Outworld forces, the Cyborgs, and Scorpion all wanting him dead. No doubt he and Scorpion came into contact. Sub-Zero walked away from Scorpion's bruised up carcass cause he's still alive.

Sub-Zero can kick Scorpion's lilly ass any day of the week. PERIOD.

I dislike repeating myself, but I'll do so anyway in this case.

Scorpion finding out the current Sub-Zero is not the same one that killed him is backed up by Scorpion AND Sub-Zero's MK2 endings, Scorpion's MK3 bio and ending and we get no mention of Scorpion in Sub-Zero's bio or ending. And to say this all didn't happen because of a vague line MK:DA's Konquest?

So you ask, if Scorpion knows it's the wrong Sub-Zero, why was he after him in MK4? You said yourself: in return for killing the original Sub-Zero, Scorpion had to forget about his family and clan. Fast forward to MK4. Shinnok and Quan Chi are about to invade Edenia and they want Scorpion as a soldier. In order to convince Scorpion to help, Quan Chi offers Scorpion his life back, and a chance to kill Sub-Zero. Scorpion says he protects the new Sub-Zero now, he has no grudge against him. So Quan Chi, being the helpful guy that he is, triggers the memory of Scorpion's family and clan. Scorpion's priority to avenge his family overrides his priority to protect Sub-Zero.
But why would Quan Chi care about Scorpion's grudge? One, he wants Scorpion as an ally. And two, Quan Chi hates the Sub-Zero family. He says it himself in Scorpion's MK4 ending which is confirmed to be true in MK:DA: "In order to defeat my nemisis Sub-Zero, I needed the power of a spectre." Quan Chi created Scorpion to be his ultimate fighter.
Another key thing is what exactly Scorpion is avenging. In MK1, Scorpion was after the original Sub-Zero to avange his OWN death. In MK4, he never mentions his own death. He only talks about avenging the death of his family and clan. The original Sub-Zero killed Scorpion; but he beleved the Lin Kuei clan killed his family.

Now this makes much more sense to me than to say after almost ten years of believing it, Scorpion and Sub-Zero's MK2 endings never happened and Scorpion's MK3 bio was wrong....



I totally agree with you man,every word, couldnt say it better myself...

and if someone cares i think subs look is cooler
but in a fight....a tie :)
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ReptileHumpedU
06/02/2004 08:05 PM (UTC)
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Outfit: Scorpion
Fight: Scorpion
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X_S(oRpIoN_X
06/02/2004 10:14 PM (UTC)
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lmao you people are retarded.

Sub-Zero has God like powers?

My ass he does!

The medallion does enhance his powers but NEVER was it stated that it it gives him God like powers.

And Scorpion could whip Sub-Zero's ass using one move.

His Teleport.

That move alone counters ANYTHING Sub-Zero can throw at him.

Sub-Zero attempts an Ice attack of some sort, Scorpion avoids it, teleports behind him and quickly puts the Spear through the back of his head.

End of Story
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Subzero_5th
06/03/2004 02:13 AM (UTC)
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Scorpion and Subby didn't fight in MK2.

And now that Subby has the Dragon Amulet I believe that he would prove to be a formidable foe to Scorpion, leading it to a tie.
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PsychoFight
06/03/2004 02:51 AM (UTC)
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Sorry, Xiaohu, but until I see a CANON storyline stating Quan-Chi told Scorpion that Sub-Zero murdered his family, my opinion stays that Scorpion was always after Sub-Zero from MKM:SZ-MK4, and always believed that he was the older brother.

I mean, why didn't his memories disappear of his family when he killed Sub-Zero, like it says in MK1? Because he didn't know it at the time, but he only completed HALF of his mission. He only avenged his own death. I'm sure he must've been confused about it, but vengeance is blind. But he believed Sub-Zero was responsible for all of his hurt and suffering, and let's not forget he assumed it was OLder brother that had his clan and family murdered in MKM:SZ.

Sorry, Xiaohu, but I believe I have alot of evidence supporting the fact that Scorpion and Sub-Zero's MK2 endings never happened and Scorpion WAS, in fact, after Sub in MK3.....and that to this day, Scorpion believes that Sub-Zero is the same one, and not two brothers.
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firesnake
06/03/2004 04:01 AM (UTC)
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everybody should already no that scorpion can kill sub-zero anytime anywhere because even if sub-zero kills scorpion,scorpion will just come back and kill him and when he seems to come he is more powerful and looks better
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XiahouDun84
06/03/2004 04:14 AM (UTC)
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PsychoFight Wrote:
Sorry, Xiaohu, but until I see a CANON storyline stating Quan-Chi told Scorpion that Sub-Zero murdered his family, my opinion stays that Scorpion was always after Sub-Zero from MKM:SZ-MK4, and always believed that he was the older brother.

I mean, why didn't his memories disappear of his family when he killed Sub-Zero, like it says in MK1? Because he didn't know it at the time, but he only completed HALF of his mission. He only avenged his own death. I'm sure he must've been confused about it, but vengeance is blind. But he believed Sub-Zero was responsible for all of his hurt and suffering, and let's not forget he assumed it was OLder brother that had his clan and family murdered in MKM:SZ.

Sorry, Xiaohu, but I believe I have alot of evidence supporting the fact that Scorpion and Sub-Zero's MK2 endings never happened and Scorpion WAS, in fact, after Sub in MK3.....and that to this day, Scorpion believes that Sub-Zero is the same one, and not two brothers.


Fair enough. And until I see canon proof that states Scorpion was trying to kill Sub-Zero in MK3, I'll stick to my theory.
One vague sentence in Konquest isn't enough. As of now I see one little line vs. 10 years of continuity, three endings, a character bio, and it's just come to my attention that it's mentioned in the official MK2 comic which is canon.

And on a side note, am I the only one who thinks the theory that Scorpion still believes the current Sub-Zero is the original does absolutly nothing but make Scorpion look like a fucking imbecile?
If Ed Boon were to officially confirm this was true, I would have to ask him: "Why are you ruining Scorpion?"
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06/03/2004 08:45 AM (UTC)
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In Scorpion's UMK3 ending he thwarts Shao Kahn due to the fact he vowed to protect Sub-Zero, being a chosen warrior. Scorpion would of had to have his MKII ending happen for his UMK3 ending to have mention of him protecting Sub-Zero. He knew that it was the younger Sub-Zero because h figured out it was a different Sub-Zero and thats why he protected him... he goes after Sub-Zero in MK4/Gold only because he thought that Sub-Zero kill his family and throws his vow to the side to take on his family's killer... So, Scorpion has to know that there are two Sub-Zeros, or there would of been no vow in UMK3, therefore his ending would of been completely different...
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Seraph
06/03/2004 09:50 AM (UTC)
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And on a side note, am I the only one who thinks the theory that Scorpion still believes the current Sub-Zero is the original does absolutly nothing but make Scorpion look like a fucking imbecile?
If Ed Boon were to officially confirm this was true, I would have to ask him: "Why are you ruining Scorpion?"

Yes, it most certainly would. Either Scorp knows that Sub is not the original, or he is a complete f*cking imbecile. There's just no other way to look at it. ROFLMFAO grin

That move alone counters ANYTHING Sub-Zero can throw at him. Sub-Zero attempts an Ice attack of some sort, Scorpion avoids it, teleports behind him and quickly puts the Spear through the back of his head. End of story.

Scorp teleports right into an ice clone. Sub concentrates and... FLASH FREEZE. Sub sells his genuin Scorpion ice sculpture on e-bay, and while being transported it falls off the back of a truck... ***CRASH***

Sub-Zero wins.

Fatality.

Fin. wink
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subzero_fl1p
06/03/2004 08:06 PM (UTC)
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sub-zero shouldnt even be fighting scorpion anymore cuz he already killed him anyways, and if scorpion killed sub-zero u never know if hez going to become a spectre 2 and hunt down scorpion.
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SmokeYa
06/03/2004 08:15 PM (UTC)
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"Scorp teleports right into an ice clone. Sub concentrates and... FLASH FREEZE. Sub sells his genuin Scorpion ice sculpture on e-bay, and while being transported it falls off of the back of a truck. ***CRASH*** Sub-Zero wins."


LMAO, that was great.
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X_S(oRpIoN_X
06/03/2004 08:33 PM (UTC)
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subzero_fl1p Wrote:
sub-zero shouldnt even be fighting scorpion anymore cuz he already killed him anyways, and if scorpion killed sub-zero u never know if hez going to become a spectre 2 and hunt down scorpion.


What a moron.

Sub-Zero NEVER EVER killed Scorpion you ASS!!!!

Where the hell do you stupid fucks get this info?!?!

The Orginal Sub-Zero (5th) ONLY killed Hanzo Hasashi which was Scorpion in his former life as a normal human with no powers what so ever.

His soul was sent to hell because he was a criminal.

He was then given a chance by the demons of hell to avenge his death.

He was sent back as Scorpion, he confronted Sub-Zero at the first MK tournament and Scorpion killed Sub-Zero.

THATS WHAT HAPPENED YOU JACKASSES!!!

Neither Sub-Zero the 5th OR the 6th EVER EEEEEVVVVVEEEERRRRRRR killed Scorpion!!!

GET THAT THOUGH YOUR DAMN HEADS!!!!!
Dude chill.....and yes thats all true but dont start cussing. Scorpion would win in a fight. And i think its a tie with the outfit they are both super sweet
X_S(oRpIoN_X Wrote:
subzero_fl1p Wrote:
sub-zero shouldnt even be fighting scorpion anymore cuz he already killed him anyways, and if scorpion killed sub-zero u never know if hez going to become a spectre 2 and hunt down scorpion.

What a moron.

Sub-Zero NEVER EVER killed Scorpion you ASS!!!!

Where the hell do you stupid fucks get this info?!?!

The Orginal Sub-Zero (5th) ONLY killed Hanzo Hasashi which was Scorpion in his former life as a normal human with no powers what so ever.

His soul was sent to hell because he was a criminal.

He was then given a chance by the demons of hell to avenge his death.

He was sent back as Scorpion, he confronted Sub-Zero at the first MK tournament and Scorpion killed Sub-Zero.

THATS WHAT HAPPENED YOU JACKASSES!!!

Neither Sub-Zero the 5th OR the 6th EVER EEEEEVVVVVEEEERRRRRRR killed Scorpion!!!

GET THAT THOUGH YOUR DAMN HEADS!!!!!

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X_S(oRpIoN_X
06/03/2004 08:40 PM (UTC)
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Your right, sorry about the cursing.

But it just angers me how people completely make things up like that JUST to make the character they like best look good.
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Seraph
06/03/2004 08:52 PM (UTC)
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Win what?

Scorpion couldn't hack it when he was alive, and he can't step up to the plate like a man now.

They are still sweeping poor Scorps little cry baby ice chips off of the street. Sub has decided to keep them in his freezers ice tray just for grins.

I wonder if he'll end up in a glass of Coke accidentally. wow
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X_S(oRpIoN_X
06/03/2004 08:59 PM (UTC)
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Seraph Wrote:
Win what?

Scorpion couldn't hack it when he was alive, and he can't step up to the plate like a man now.

They are still sweeping poor Scorps little cry baby ice chips off of the street. Sub has decided to keep them in his freezers ice tray just for grins.

I wonder if he'll end up in a glass of Coke accidentally.


It seems a new jackass has emerged.

You say Scorpion couldn't hack it when he was alive?

So your basically saying that Hanzo Hasashi should have beat Sub-Zero with his hands and feet while Sub had his powers?

Hanzo couldn't beat Sub because he was a normal person.

He became Scorpion and kicked the ever loving shit out of Sub-Zero.

Are you sure Scorpion was the one who couldn't hack it?



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LnkinPrk777
06/03/2004 08:59 PM (UTC)
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X_S(oRpIoN_X Wrote:
Your right, sorry about the cursing.

But it just angers me how people completely make things up like that JUST to make the character they like best look good.




Are you serious? Because that seems to be exactly what you are doing, pulling out anything from anywhere just to try and make Scorpion look good.



Anyways, Sub-Zero wins all around. Depth, appearance, kombat, all of it.
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X_S(oRpIoN_X
06/03/2004 09:03 PM (UTC)
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lnkinprk777 Wrote:

X_S(oRpIoN_X Wrote:
Your right, sorry about the cursing.

But it just angers me how people completely make things up like that JUST to make the character they like best look good.



Are you serious? Because that seems to be exactly what you are doing, pulling out anything from anywhere just to try and make Scorpion look good.



Anyways, Sub-Zero wins all around. Depth, appearance, kombat, all of it.


Jeez how many jackasses do I have to set straight today?

Listen you n00b, you can go anywhere to find out the story between Scorp and Sub and it will tell you exactly what I just said you dumb prick.

As far as I'm concerned, Scorpion will annihilate Sub-Zero and toast his ass to a crisp.

He's already proven that.

Owned
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LnkinPrk777
06/03/2004 09:08 PM (UTC)
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X_S(oRpIoN_X Wrote:

lnkinprk777 Wrote:

X_S(oRpIoN_X Wrote:
Your right, sorry about the cursing.

But it just angers me how people completely make things up like that JUST to make the character they like best look good.



Are you serious? Because that seems to be exactly what you are doing, pulling out anything from anywhere just to try and make Scorpion look good.



Anyways, Sub-Zero wins all around. Depth, appearance, kombat, all of it.

Jeez how many jackasses do I have to set straight today?

Listen you n00b, you can go anywhere to find out the story between Scorp and Sub and it will tell you exactly what I just said you dumb prick.

As far as I'm concerned, Scorpion will annihilate Sub-Zero and toast his ass to a crisp.

He's already proven that.

Owned




Oh please, continue. You are so enlightening and seem so mature. Using words like "n00b", "jackass", "prick", etc. really show how intelligent you are.


The entire purpose of this thread is to get everyone's OPINION on who is better. There is no right answer. Just because someone doesn't agree with your viewpoint, you don't have to flaunt your immaturity by cussing at people and acting like you know everything. A little tip: there is something in this world known as tact, and I would highly suggest you look for it.
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