Sub zero vs scorpion
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Who do you think would win younger sub zero with dragon amulet or scorpion.

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04/18/2004 06:19 PM (UTC)
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the sub zero with dragon amulet is young? in mkda he had gray hair and now he is bald with a little pony tail. the amulet makes him old.
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04/18/2004 06:24 PM (UTC)
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Welll seeing as though scorpion beat him down twice...im going to say the scorpion..even though subs got the thing..the way things are going and scorpion is presented, id say he has the better chance..but sub zero is very strong.
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04/18/2004 06:57 PM (UTC)
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It would be an awesome fight, but I say Scorpion would be the victor.

(Please don't look at my name and assume I'm a Scorpion fanboy because I'll state my reasons)

Sub-Zero has become significantly stronger with the medallion, but all it does is enhance his power of ice.

Now against someone like Scorpion, who is fueled by the power of hell, he has a lot more at his disposal than Sub-Zero does.

Sub-Zero can get pretty creative with ice, but Scorpion can LITERALLY raise Hell on Earth.

Plus other things like his Spear, Fire Breathing, and his ability to Teleport.

His Teleport alone overpowers Sub-Zero's medallion because Scorpion can easily avoid any types of projectiles.

He can disappear from Sub-Zero's sight, than reappear right behind him leaving him open for and attack at Scorpion's disposal.

That is why I think Scorpion would be the victor in that fight.
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04/18/2004 08:27 PM (UTC)
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I'd have to say Sub-Zero. The Dragon Medallion did not increase his powers slightly, but made them honourable of an Elder God's. Scorpion doesn't really have that much power. He's just back looking for revenge against Quan Chi. He can spray some of the Hellfire that basically lives in him (as he came form the Netherrealm), and has some ghost like powers (being a spectre and all).

Sub-Zero seems completely different now. Almost darker. I think Scorpion would expect a little sparring session, not an all-out fight. I think he's also become more of a master in recent years, too.
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04/18/2004 08:35 PM (UTC)
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scorpion is just as strong as sub even with his medalion

scorp only gets stronger

plus teleport is good to
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04/18/2004 09:34 PM (UTC)
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You-Know-Who Wrote:
I'd have to say Sub-Zero. The Dragon Medallion did not increase his powers slightly, but made them honourable of an Elder God's. Scorpion doesn't really have that much power. He's just back looking for revenge against Quan Chi. He can spray some of the Hellfire that basically lives in him (as he came form the Netherrealm), and has some ghost like powers (being a spectre and all).

Sub-Zero seems completely different now. Almost darker. I think Scorpion would expect a little sparring session, not an all-out fight. I think he's also become more of a master in recent years, too.


His medallion makes his powers hounorable of an elder god?

And Scorpion doesn't have that much power?

wow...br>
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04/18/2004 09:45 PM (UTC)
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Compared to someone who originates from the Netherealm, like lets say... Noob Saibot, Scorpion does not have the much power. Scorpion went to the Netherealm after death, he was never a race spawned from hell. His powers have limitation. Hes his strongest when he's in the Netherealm. When he's away from the Netherealm, he has alot less potential power wise. Sub-Zero's Dragon Medallion has almost made him god-like, not to mention he is the Grandmaster of the Lin Kuei... the only downfall is that the medallion makes him physically older. Yet out of the two Sub-Zero's, he is the 6th generation warrior from the Lin Kuei, while the original Sub-Zero from MK1 was a 5th generation warrior making the Grandmaster Zero the younger out of the two.

As to who would win... Scorpion can kick Zero's ass all over the place without the medallion, but the way Zero is now and the level of power he has achieved since MKDA, id say Scorpion would go down.
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04/18/2004 09:45 PM (UTC)
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I think that Scorpion would win, but not against the classic Sub. Even though Scorpion killed him, I think that fight would have been more of a surprise attack on the classic. I've never looked at Scorpion and Sub-Zero as a classic fued. Only Scorpion and Classic Sub-Zero. Those two literally killed each other. Scorp and present Sub, they had a little mishap, and now they don't acknowledge eachother, while Scorp and classic Sub were enemies.
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04/18/2004 09:46 PM (UTC)
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Scorpion and the Original Sub-Zero were from rival clans. By alligence they were enemies. Sub-Zero didnt want to kill Scorpion, he had to... for the Lin Kuei and to succeed in his mission to secure the Map of Elements from MK:Mythologies. Scorpion made it a personal vendetta to kill Sub-Zero in revenge for his death, and the death of his family and clan. Only it was Quan Chi who did the deeds (the family and clan part) and set Sub-Zero up... if Scorpion knew this before he killed the original Sub-Zero, things might have been different between the two... keyword, MIGHT.
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04/18/2004 09:54 PM (UTC)
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I think that scorpion would win just to turn the tables, even though I would rather see sub-zero win
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04/18/2004 09:59 PM (UTC)
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They are evenly matched on Earth.

Sub-Zero kicked Scorpion's ass twice in MK2 and MK3 (contrary to popular belief, Scorpion never knew that Sub-Zero was the younger brother of the other one. He ALWAYS believed that the Sub-Zero he chased after was the same one he hated. Scorpion and the young Sub-Zero were NEVER friends. Scorpion's only goal in MK2 and MK3 was the death of Sub-Zero. He NEVER joined up with Shao Kahn either). However, Scorpion defeated Sub-Zero in MK4.

In the Netherealm, Scorpion would own Sub-Zero, but now that he has the Dragon Medallion....ah, they're actually pretty evenly matched. It all depends on the circumstances, really, cause they're evenly matched.
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04/19/2004 04:48 AM (UTC)
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Please Johnny Cage would beat both of them at the same time an still have enuff time to take care of Sonya's needs.Long Live johnny Cage.
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04/19/2004 04:59 AM (UTC)
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Sub-Zero has powers comparible to a God now. I don't think Scorpion would have a chance.
Scorpion would kill Sub Zero easily.

All he has to do is telleport the spear by it self behind sub-zero.

Scorpion would be totally safe from harm, and sub zero would have no place to hide.

If he catches sub zero with the spear through the little portal, all he would have to do is pull Sub's head and trap it in a tiny portal so he would be stuck, with no way out.


Another thing he could do is to simply make a portal that covers half of sub-zero's body, and close it, cutting Sub in half with almost no effort.

This would take less than 1 second. Almost like a flash of light.

Scorpion wins, no contest.
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04/19/2004 05:08 AM (UTC)
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I think Subzero would have lost in MK3 and MK4, but I have no doubt that he would shred Scorpion now. And this has nothing to do with the medallion, I'm simply saying that he's come a long way in experience, and probably is ten times the fighter now than he was previously.

Scorpion hasn't really accomplished much. He was supposedly defeated by the Oni's, and never even came close to killing Quan.
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04/19/2004 05:17 AM (UTC)
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TemperaryUserName Wrote:
I think Subzero would have lost in MK3 and MK4, but I have no doubt that he would shred Scorpion now. And this has nothing to do with the medallion, I'm simply saying that he's come a long way in experience, and probably is ten times the fighter now than he was previously.

Scorpion hasn't really accomplished much. He was supposedly defeated by the Oni's, and never even came close to killing Quan.


Exactly. Scorpion is all bark and little bite. He's not invincible. He's failed almost every mission. Sub-Zero is constantly successful, eluding and defeating the cyber ninjas, reforming the Lin Keui etc. Sub-Zero also seems posed to become the new big character, with his Dragon Medalion. Scorpion gets smoked like a cigar.
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04/19/2004 05:25 AM (UTC)
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S(oRpIoN Wrote:His medallion makes his powers hounorable of an elder god?

And Scorpion doesn't have that much power?

wow...br>


Yes, it was stated that the Medallion does that. And yes Scorpion doesn't have that much power. If he had extraordinary powers, he'd have used them to kill Quan Chi, Moloch and Drahmin. I don't know where everyone gets this idea that Scorpion gets stronger and stronger and controls Hell and has all these wacky mega powers. He's a ninja that can teleport and make a bit of fire. That's about it.
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04/19/2004 05:32 AM (UTC)
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Actually, scorpion does get stronger and stronger the longer he stays in the neatherealm.

As for who would win, damn, i dont know. This is a VERY hard one, and both subby and scorpion are great fighters.

I'm really tempted to say subzero because of his medalion which makes him alot stronger. Not only does subzero train alot, but he weilds that things 24/7. The medalion is making him more god-like.

However, scorpion is also very strong. With punches and kicks that hurt you like knives even when you block, you should never underestimate him. Each time scorpion goes back to hell it makes him stronger.

I'm gonna have to really think about this one.
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04/19/2004 05:44 AM (UTC)
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There's no doubt that Sub-Zero and Scorpion would tear each other apart on different circumstances.I don't think that Sub-Zero would be able to kill Scorpion. Only for the fact that Scorpion is fueled by hate and his soul will never die until he gets his revenge. But Scorpion would have just as hard a time killing Sub-Zero. The Dragon Medallion makes Sub-Zero inconcievebly strong.It's true that Scorpion can avoid Sub-Zero's ice missile by teleportation. But I wonder if his hell fire inferno can stand up to Sub-Zeros Ice planet attack.(That is if he learned it.) What if Scorpion found a second part of the Dragon Medalion that augmented his hell powers? I think that Scorpion could've taken Sub-Zero from MK4 down but now that Sub-Zero has the D.M. I don't think Scorpion is the biggest concern on Sub-Zero's mind.
As for Scorpion wielding the powers of hell, the only person that can do that is Spawn, and his not part of the MK universe.(Althought that I'd like to see, Spawn vs Scorpion. A demon Spectre vs a demon Soldier.
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04/19/2004 06:58 AM (UTC)
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The bottem line is...

SCORPION IS ED BOON'S FAVORITE CHARACTER!

...so Ed is obviously gonna make sure Scorpion wins the fight.Scorpion dies and then comes back at you.He will just keep coming at you untill you die.Also,the reason Scorpion didn't kill Quan Chi is because he wanted Quan Chi to suffer.It says in MK:DA,Scorpion "tortured" Quan Chi in the Netherealm.But because he didn't actually kill Quan,he escaped.
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04/19/2004 07:01 AM (UTC)
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SmokeNc-017 Wrote:
There's no doubt that Sub-Zero and Scorpion would tear each other apart on different circumstances.I don't think that Sub-Zero would be able to kill Scorpion. Only for the fact that Scorpion is fueled by hate and his soul will never die until he gets his revenge. But Scorpion would have just as hard a time killing Sub-Zero. The Dragon Medallion makes Sub-Zero inconcievebly strong.It's true that Scorpion can avoid Sub-Zero's ice missile by teleportation. But I wonder if his hell fire inferno can stand up to Sub-Zeros Ice planet attack.(That is if he learned it.) What if Scorpion found a second part of the Dragon Medalion that augmented his hell powers? I think that Scorpion could've taken Sub-Zero from MK4 down but now that Sub-Zero has the D.M. I don't think Scorpion is the biggest concern on Sub-Zero's mind.
As for Scorpion wielding the powers of hell, the only person that can do that is Spawn, and his not part of the MK universe.(Althought that I'd like to see, Spawn vs Scorpion. A demon Spectre vs a demon Soldier.


Spawn vs. Scorpion?


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ErmacMk5
04/19/2004 07:47 AM (UTC)
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You-Know-Who Wrote:
S(oRpIoN Wrote:His medallion makes his powers hounorable of an elder god?

And Scorpion doesn't have that much power?

wow...br>

Yes, it was stated that the Medallion does that. And yes Scorpion doesn't have that much power. If he had extraordinary powers, he'd have used them to kill Quan Chi, Moloch and Drahmin. I don't know where everyone gets this idea that Scorpion gets stronger and stronger and controls Hell and has all these wacky mega powers. He's a ninja that can teleport and make a bit of fire. That's about it.


Scorpion does get stronger, but to fend of the new God-like Powers of Sub-Zero? I have my doubts.
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04/19/2004 10:07 AM (UTC)
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Whoa!!! dude, is that Spawn/Scorpion thing for real, or is that just a VERY awesome cover someone made? I think that kicks ass!!!

As for the topic... honestly, I think it'd be a neverending battle... seriously, how many times would Scorpion come back? I mean, look at is MK:DA ending, wasn't he supposedly thrown into the pillar of souls and his physical body torn to shreds, and his soul absorbed by them or something... yet here he is again in MK-D, still kickin' butt like no tomorrow.

As for Sub-Zero, he's pretty much been confirmed to be God-like with his powers and abilities.

Here's my thought on it... they'd fight, and then they'd literally fight until their bodies gave in, and they'd both die.

Obviously, we know Scorpion comes back over and over, and until Quan Chi is destroyed, we know he's always going to come back.

As for Sub-Zero, with all of his powers and accomplishments, IF he were to ever die, wouldn't it be suspected that MAYBE his soul may be granted into an 'elder-god' status, and he'd return as well?

The only way I think Sub-Zero would have the upper hand, is if he killed Quan-Chi, which is the reason Scoprion keeps being re-spawned. If Scoprions' got no reason to return because his vendetta to see Quan Chi die is done by someone else, if Scorpions' body is destroyed then his sould would probably just go into an eternal rest, with no reason to come back. (unless the arguement of "but Subby killed him! He'd want revenge!" would come up, then at that point they'd just fight eternally again.) Yet at the same time.. if you think about it, Scorpion has been a Neutral fighter, never for or against one side or the other, he just wanted to make sure Quan Chi suffered. If before fighting, Sub-Zero said "I've destroyed Quan Chi, you will have no reason to return.." I would think that Scorpion would accept that and he'd walk away.. why? He has nothing against Sub-Zero, all the past issues between him and Subby were revealed to be false, and didn't at the end of MK4, Scorpion told Subby that he would no longer give chase after him, since he did nothing to his family and clan, since it was Quan Chi?

Ugh.. my head hurts from the ideas or possibilites... Personally I'd rather see Scorpion and Sub-Zero fight together, but that's just me. tongue
Oh pleaaaase.

We all (should) know, that they were evenly matched. (Just watch MK:Konquest, MK:1), eventhough I do have to say that that was the original Sub-Zero.
Scorpion doesn't (literally) have a chance in hell to defeat Sub-Zero, if he's NOT a spectre. I mean come on: He doesn't have ANY powers at all (if he's not a spectre) and Sub-Zero has god-like powers. Now, with the medaillon, even Elder god-like powers (eventhough most people should take it 100% serious..).

Don't forget that Sub-Zero also defeated Scorpion in MK4 (only depends who's ending you watch, like duh...).

And Scorpion didn't kill the original Sub-Zero, not in the movie he didn't. Besides, the endings in the games are always either partly true (or rather untrue) and not to forget... various.

I'ld say, that they (were) are even (Scorpion VS. original Sub-Zero). You shouldn't forget to mention, that the original Sub-Zero is DAMN powerfull (compared to the MK3 Sub-Zero, or MK4 Sub-Zero). So in other words, I think that the Sub-Zero from MK3 diesn't have much if a chance. The MK4 Sub-Zero: MAYBE, but even if; not really 100% much of a chance, maybe they would be just even.

Sub-Zero with the Dragon medaillion: Scorpion doesn't have a chance in the Netherealm *lol*!
Serious now! I mean, he's much more powerful with the medaillon; sorry Scorpion: no chance at all.

Oh, and before I forget it, about the teleport strategy: Don't forget that Scorpion can't actually teleport. Just a bit. Maybe he can (in the game) but don't forget, that during the WHOLE movie, he's unable to do that. Beside, Sub-Zero does have an Ice-shield...

Don't think that I'm a Sub-Zero freak (cause of my name, eventhough I really am). No, honestly, I really like Scorpion and even said (earlier), that he has a really good chance of winning (against the MK3 or MK4 Sub-Zero) or even being even (with the original Sub-Zero), but against the MKDA and MKD Sub-Zero: there's no helping Scorpion...
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