we haven't seen all his moves jetzt, so maybe he has up to 6, but we don't know yet

If that's true, then that is messed up.
Hey Boomstick, are you german?

Boomstick Wrote: we haven't seen all his moves jetzt, so maybe he has up to 6, but we don't know yet

I know how you feel. I'm rather disappointed myself. His Cold Shoulder and Ice Shaker can be a big help to him in this game and I really hope that they put it in this game. Either way, I'm sure he'll still be great.

That would be pretty lame to have ONLY 2 moves. Not because those moves aren't good enough... but because he could and SHOULD have so many more. It makes no sense. When someone says they're trying to bring back ALL the sig moves... you start thinking "WOW there will be a lot for Sub." I can see not giving him EVERY move he's ever had because he'd have Regular ice, Ice clone, Ice shower, Ice Shaker, Ground Freeze, Slide, and Cold Shoulder... BUT he should have at least 4 moves. What's got me concerned too is Baraka. I've only seen his Spark and his move where he does a stab with both blades. WHERE'S HIS SIGNATURE MOVE. Baraka's defining move is his B,B,B, LP move. It wouldn't make sense at all... that's why I think other moves will be put into the game before it's shipped. If not, then it was pointless to make such a statment about bring back special moves.

^^Rest assured, anything that can be done with Subby's Ice Shaker can also be done with his Ice Clone, I'm pretty sure.
^OT: Supposedly Baraka does have his Blade Fury. I haven't seen it for myself yet but some other forum user claims it's there.

Ed Boon said that every characters would have at least 4 special moves...
I hope that Sub-Zero could have frost low freeze move, but that it would make his opponent slide instead of freezing him.
Have his original slide would be really cool too.
I'm pretty confident that he will have more then 2 moves

Boon said that every charcter in DA would keep there moves from it, so Sub-Zero will have at least four moves, unless Boon lied to us, which is still a possibility, but not a big one. As for Baraka's moves, they might have just been incorperated into his weapon stance, since this is the only game ever that you can have his blades out whenever you want.

I was upset that Sub Zero and Baraka only had 2 special moves aswell (I played MKD at Gamestars Live). After a while though, I realised that Subby was fast and powerful and that you can perform the ice clone as close to the opponent as you can get.
BTW,Baraka doesn't have his blade fury.

I see absolutely no reason to remove the cold shoulder. Ice shaker, yea, we got clone now which is better and can be pretty much used everywhere ice shaker did. Shaker was also pretty useless in juggles...so no Shaker I understand being removed. And lets say they were super lazy and added no other new moves...so no other freezes(which I expected) but also no slide(which I expected cause Sub is 2 moves classic...freeze and slide) But I can not see why they would remove Cold shoulder. The move isnt all that great or damaging to warrant a nerf like totally removing it. I think he might still have it...I hope so..at least 3 moves. Gotta admit its sweet clone is back and that its not the nerfed one. Maybe the cold shoulder was easy to abuse to toss ppl in DTs?

MobiusakaBorat Wrote: Maybe the cold shoulder was easy to abuse to toss ppl in DTs?

Nah.Pretty much any move will knock you into a DT.Even a powerful punch/kick.They just gave it to Nightwolf instead.

if its true big deal...those 2 moves are hot..lol

I would say that I'm pissed. But there is no use in doing that it wont change anything. But i am rather dissapointed i mean i would at least like him to have The Ground Freeze, Freeze, Ice Clone, Ice Shower, and Cold Shoulder. At least five. If not four wouldnt be bad eithe. But i wont complain theres alot more things to look forward to in the game.

Sub-zero has the following:
Ice Clone
Freeze Projectile
Cold Shoulder

I have the same perspective as sub-zero315 I'm pissed but there's really nothing I can do about it.

sorry for my question, but what is the cold shoulder? do you mean the cold shower from MK3?

Cold shoulder was one of Sub-Zero's special moves in MK:DA. It was a pretty good move that could be used to finish off some nice combos, but I think it was just a replacement for slide since they gave that to Frost.
Also, I don't think they would give Sub more that two freeze moves. Imagine him having his ice blast, ice clone, and some type of ground freeze. No doubt in my mind that some skilled player would manage to find an infinite with all that to work off of.

RasAlGhul Wrote: sorry for my question, but what is the cold shoulder? do you mean the cold shower from MK3?

cold shoulder is one of his DA moves - he slides along on some ice and rams into you with his shoulder.
Doesn't matter though,it's not in Deception.

looktotheluna Wrote: Sub-zero has the following: Ice Clone Freeze Projectile Cold Shoulder

If this is true I will be more than happy with it because this is what I was expecting. I also see this happening, but Ive seen videos where ppl goto the moves menu and all you see are freeze and clone. That worries me.
I would give up normal freeze and have clone and cold shoulder also. Normal freeze is almost useless in MKDA. Shoulder made for some nice combo s as a finisher.

It's his new move in MKDA where he kneels down like the statue called the "thinker". He slides forward in this stance and hit's you very hard.
It's a knock down move.
It's one of my favorite attacks in MKDA.
If he only has 2 moves, which to this point is all I've seen, then that's kid of a let down.
He should keep the moves from MKDA and add more, new and old.
He could have like 6 or more special moves.
Why do they limit it to 2 - 5 specials?
Some can and IMO should have all the specials they can use.
Baraka needs some rush in lunging attacks.
I'm really not feeling his double blade rush move. I think it needs more flavor, it just looks weird to me.
Some moves I'd give him are.
1= A roll forward, left or right then slash
2= Jump forward and slash, sort of like Talim's >>+V in SC2.
3= A spin slash attack, like a variation of the old blade spin, but he hops forward and does a back ward spin. One claw cuts Horizontally at a slight vertical angle, and the second slash is Downward. Like when you throw a baseball.
It would look a lot like Cassandra's attack in SC2 = H+V.
Then you would be able to link an extra tumble and slash to this move. He would land, tumble sideways and do a downward vertical slash with the left blade. He would then stand up like in Tekken, so you can do a stand up attack afterward if your quick.
4= Shredder
5= Med height spark = He does a different animation from MKD. He just leans forward and spreads his arms to the sides to rub the blades together.
6= Rage = Baraka roars and powers up. This allows him to take hit's and have them not faze him. For example, if he is running towards you and he gets hit by a fireball, it it will slow him down for a sec. but it won't stop him. He'll just roar like he's crazy.
7= Dive slash in to a roll = He dives forward with his blades out, then as he lands, he does a forward tumble that links to another attack.
8= Tackle then punch face = He lunges forward and tackles the opponent. Then he starts to "punch" their face Like Brian Fury does in his Tekken 4 win animation.
The last attack, he takes his right blade out, puts his arm back and tries to stab the opponent in the face, but the opponent moves their head and rolls out of the hold.
9= Step forward "Left" uppercut slash= He does an MKDA style quick step then a strong pop up slash that can be used while in any style.
10= Long range Step forward "Right" Uppercut slash= Almost the same as above, but he takes a step with the right then left foot and uses the right arm instead. Like he's about to run. This would be good for a combo ender because of the long range.
I believe that the characters special attacks should be as well thought out or as useful as the martial art they use.
So IMO there should be many ways for 1 fighter to use their special moves, not just a straight fireball and a slide kick.
This is 3D now, I think they need to push the envelope on the specials as much as the martial arts.

I still say that sub-zero will have more than 2 moves when the game ships on 10/4.
I see him having, Ice Blast, Ice Clone, Slide, Ground Freeze, and possibly a new one.... For those saying all these moves could lead to massive combo's they could offset the moves... so the ground freeze could be slower than usual ect... if the characters were given more speicals, with different types of pay-offs, and how safe of a move certain ones would be, it would deepen gameplay IMO.

ya kano fan I believe you but I think you played a test version
especially if it's at some demo-place I think it was just sortofa demo-dont give everything away to the internet kinda deal

Sub Zero will NOT have anymore freezes than what we have seen. He becomes way too powerful. In the characters history, he has only had more than 2 freezes on one occasion. Mk3. And in UMK3 they toned him down tenfold because he was THE MOST powerful character by far in MK3. All ppl did in the arcades were Sub v Sub matches. MK team has learned and never repeated this. MK4 he had 2 ...mk5 he had 2...mk6 he will have 2.
A slide or the return of the cold shoulder is unlikely, but the only moves possible to be added. Lets be a little more realistic fellas. 6 moves? na I dont think so...as much as I would love it.

I'm not asking for 6, but at least 4. I mean, it's Sub-Zero for Christ's sake. Excuse my language. He does need more than 2 moves. Well, I guess he doesn't need them, but he sure as hell should have them. This is what he should have, in my opinion:
Freeze projectile
Slide
Ice Clone
Ground Ice
If Bo Rai Cho can puke and make someone slip on it, then obviously the animation of slipping is in the game so give Sub-Zero the ground freeze. Now this is just what I think he should have, but note that I know that what's done is done and won't be changed so, this isn't me complaining.

Like i said. He's my favorite Character but even i dont want him to have to many freezes. He'd be a bitch to fight but i think he should at least have:
Freeze
Ice Clone
Cold Shoulder
Ground freeze
And the one where he shoots it in the air.
Only two actual freezing moves and the ice clone is so easy to avoid as is the upper freeze and ground freeze. Especially now that you can side step.