Boon also said they'll have all their classic moves back. Which means theres still:
Slide
Ground Freeze
Upward Freeze(maybe not cause Ashra has it)

Someone mentioned MKDA on master difficulty....that was VERY VERY VERY EASY...I hope he doesnt think someone who can beat that is good...or thinks highly of himself for beating it. ALL fighting game AI's on highest lvl are still pushovers.
About Sub...yea he has lost a move while scorp and pretty much everyone else has gained. If not boon, then there is someone in the office that doesnt like sub. Someone said he is slow but has damaging combos....his combos are not as damaging as other characters in the game. He is getting even weaker than what he was in DA. I wish I was a scorp fan boy cause I would then be be happy...alas..I am not :(

Ok, here we go. This is what i saw.
Kobra
1. fireball up
2. fireball down
3. flash kick ( it reminds me on guile ST2 )
4. flash roundhouse
5. flame punch
6. teleport punch
Ashrah
1. lightball forward
2. lightball up
3. vertical spin
4. horizontal spin
I know that this is not the final version, but it was the fact from the videos i saw. All of this could change in this time. We will see in the final version.
I still hope that sub zero became more specials than just two

Though i don't want Sub-Zero (Or any people for that matter) to have only two moves, all you people who are saying that it's probably bs, and that it's unheard of better check your history.
In the last game Nitara and Kitana (And maybe othere I don't remember) each had two moves each. Last I checked Kitana was a pretty popular character taht didn't used to have two moves. And after you impailed with her fans, Kitana would only have 1 move! So I would consider this an extreme possibility, but until it's confirmed, I'll ride it out and wait.

it's weird as hell that they didn't show any other moves except those two. it wouldn't piss me off that much if subzero had just 2, if his combos were easier to get or faster - like kung lao's. he has the exact same fighting style and i guess they also took away the cold shoulder. honestly i hope they bring the cold shoulder back instead of the ground freeze. that one is easy to go around and it's pretty slow. except if when the ice hits the ground some kind of stalagmites ( ice spikes) would come out and stab you, sort of like hotaru's fireball. anyway, if some1 finds out about anything new about subzero just PM or make a thread about it.
it would still be gay as hell if other characters had 5 and zero had 2. still, maybe his fighting style will have new combos. eithe way he's still my fav character. just have to work harder to beat people i guess. anyway thanks for sharing the info u know and all that.

I wouldn't worry yet since miday has been changing move s and fatalitys alot,And since MKD went gold we should find out soon enough:)

Dark_MK Wrote: I wouldn't worry yet since miday has been changing move s and fatalitys alot,And since MKD went gold we should find out soon enough:)

i'll keep my fingers crossed. heard something about the official site being updated tomorrow. subzero didn't get on the cover of the premium pack for nothing.......hopefully

My penis is green, I wouldnt worry about it till the game is realeased

I'm beginning to wish I never said anything about the number of special moves characters had in the build I played.........
But I have seen his movelist with my own eyes.
most chars have 3 or 4 moves
Kobra has 5 (the flaming sumersault is not a special - its one of his up + attack in his shorin ryu stance)
subby and baraka only had 2 moves
Add that to the fact that in all the vids we've seen,Sub Zero has only ever performed those 2 special moves,I find it hard to believe that people are not excepting this.

subby is a grandmaster now, he will have a super freeze move probaly, watch....

Kano_Fan Wrote: I'm beginning to wish I never said anything about the number of special moves characters had in the build I played......... But I have seen his movelist with my own eyes. most chars have 3 or 4 moves Kobra has 5 (the flaming sumersault is not a special - its one of his up + attack in his shorin ryu stance) subby and baraka only had 2 moves Add that to the fact that in all the vids we've seen,Sub Zero has only ever performed those 2 special moves,I find it hard to believe that people are not excepting this.

where did you see the entire movelist? and the reason i believe most people find it hard to believe is because sub only had 2 in DA and not adding anymore would be seemingly for lack of a better word lazy. He can freeze things at will?!?!?! The potential for ideas is limitless... Give Him all the moves from previous MK`s and your up to umm lemme count...
Straight Freeze
Slide
OverHead Freeze
Ground Greeze
Ice Shake
Ice Clone
maybe more, so that is why everyone wouldnt be able to accept a 2 specail move list for a classic mk character...

viSion25 Wrote: where did you see the entire movelist? and the reason i believe most people find it hard to believe is because sub only had 2 in DA and not adding anymore would be seemingly for lack of a better word lazy. He can freeze things at will?!?!?! The potential for ideas is limitless... Give Him all the moves from previous MK`s and your up to umm lemme count... Straight Freeze Slide OverHead Freeze Ground Greeze Ice Shake Ice Clone maybe more, so that is why everyone wouldnt be able to accept a 2 specail move list for a classic mk character...

I played it at Gamestars Live.
And yeah - give him umm lemme count......
5 different ways to incapacitate you and make him uber cheap.

So far nobody's played the final version of the game besides the makers themselves, so I'm sure he's got at least 3, in fact someone said they did add his Cold Shoulder move in it already (don't know if that's true but I wouldn't doubt it) plus hidden moves have been mentioned which were highly rumored in the last game so for our suprise I'm sure he'll get at least something else! Don't give up hope on his cold-hearted ass yet!!!

You guys act like special moves are so useful in MKDA and MKD's system, lol. Only a handful were great, and out of the ones that I think they could have given Sub-Zero (based on his old moves), it wouldn't have mattered much.
Let's look at it more closely.
Clone = Man, now Sub-Zero can attack nd defend himself and be extremely safe. Clone, forward dash, attack. If opponent blocks corrently and retaliates, he will get frozen by the clone when he continues his combo. Or how about clone, forward dash, throw? Clone, stand behind the clone and poke with Kori Blade b+2 and other moves? Man Clone has endless possibilities and will ammend Sub-Zero's styles, even if they weren't touched on at all.
Freeze = Man this is well.. crap, rarely does it work unless your opponent doesn't play fighting games and has problems with basic blocking and spacing.
Frozen Shaker = Clone can do anything it can do, but better. Frozen Shaker was generally only good for when your opponent is down and you use it as a wakeup (they get frozen or just pushed back), almost never worked. The other use for it was in juggles to powerup, but even then, Clone can do that now.
Ice Rain = Considering the amount of time it takes for Subby to do it and how it'd come down slow and will be easily stepped, I don't think it'd have any real use besides putting some pressure on the guy after you knock them down, and 95% of the time, they won't fall for it.
Ground Freeze = I think Frost demonstrated how it wasn't really extremely useful in it's 3d incarnation. Due to its lack of safety, being able to easily sidestep it, and it's speed.. well it wasn't that great. Except for Frost's infinite.
Slide = Again, Frost demonstrated how bad it was. Successfully do it and you get a low that does somewhat okay damage. Get blocked and you eat a full combo. Suppose we give it to Sub-Zero, hmmm hmmm... do I do Sub-Zero's chains that start with low for big damage or a launch... or poke with Dragon d+3 and be entire safe and do more damage than the slide or do I do the slide and eat a full chain, decisions decisions.
Cold Shoulder = The use for it was RARE, it was unsafe and the only thing it could be used for most of the time was out-prioritizing a few things. It was crap in juggles since you could get much better damage off of fully finishing chains. Although it was useful in punishing some of the safer stuff because of it's speed/reach, but overall, not a loss worth talking about.
Therefore, Sub-Zero, even if he only had ONE move, that being clone... he'd still be better than his MKDA version.
Also remember that Sub-Zero has a launcher throw now. =)

Continuity and Story wise, I really doubt he'll have the slide. It just wouldn't jive for those of us who nitpick the details.
If you'll remember in Deadly Alliance, in Frost's Konquest missions, when you 1st learn the slide, something along the lines of, "Sifu Sub-Zero has advanced beyond such novice moves, but he's sure it will be very useful for you to learn" or something like that is said.
So yeah. If they wanted to remain true to the story, it wouldn't fly. Why would he go back to using a move that was novice in the last game?

Even if Sub Zero only had two special moves,have you morons not thought of the notion that if this were truth,there would be a significance behind in strategy/balance/power-wise?
*shakes head*
what if Sub Zero having only two moves is because he's more powerful than say Kobra w/ 6 moves.....more powerful in the area of combo strings and the damage caused from such
Also,ever think of the possibility that some players may have to earn special moves in the krypt?

This was discussed in another thread, Sub Zero has the following moves:-
Cold Shoulder
Ice Blast
Ice Clone

Cold shoulder was never confirmed.Stop making up shit.

Darrius has the cold shoulder move,not subby

baraka, sub and hotaru had 2 moves in the 80% version. whether they have more than this in the final version remains to be seen. sub's cold sholder move has not been confirmed for mk6; it is speculation. for sub to not have his classic ice slide would be a travesty. it is already a travesty that baraka does not have the blade fury move or blade spin.

why dont u guys stop acting like you know and dont state ur opinions as fact.. "i played it at gamewhatever" u sound like an ass. Games go through so many changes and if u were so "close" to the production process why are u posting in a forum and not playing with a beta version and or sucking ed boon`s saibot right now

Sub-zero has a sweep kick, in the kori blade stance.
In shotokan He has <4 (a kick to the knees)
in Dragon: 4. A wuzzy kick...
and <2 in Kori is a low swipe attack.

HDTran Wrote: Cold Shoulder = The use for it was RARE, it was unsafe and the only thing it could be used for most of the time was out-prioritizing a few things. It was crap in juggles since you could get much better damage off of fully finishing chains. Although it was useful in punishing some of the safer stuff because of it's speed/reach, but overall, not a loss worth talking about. font>

Personally, i thought the cold shoulder was great.. Yea, its true if you finish the chain you get comparable/better damage, but you wouldnt get the spacing that you would get if you did say Dragon d3/d4 then cold shoulder (after the pop up), considering the fact that a cold shoulder out of juggle would give you a full screens distance from a character. This may not have been as important in DA, but in MKD....
Now with the death traps in MKD, i think the cold shoulder wouldve been one of the most deadly moves in MKD.. All you would have to do to ring out someone would be to UT in dragon and 1,1,2, cold shoulder(keep BDC'n until you get one to connect).
Oh wait.. is this an actual conscience effort to balance the game?
(INsert Noobs name here that wants more moves for sub), its ok, you dont know any better.

Deadhead Wrote: 2 moves? was this confirmed? I'm betting he'll have his ice clone, freeze and slide at the least. Besides, what use are more moves if you can hardly use them? (i.e Hsu Hao's jump)

Hsu Hao jump was useful in combos, you could use his throw and his jump after for some mega damage, as far as Sub-Zero goes, give him his cold shouder, the ground freeze, the ice shower or the slide would not be useless at all.
Same thing for Baraka he need his shredder back

First of all you are an idiot for thinking subby will have only 2 moves, second the ice clone WAs the shit but this is 3d you can sidestep walk downwards, upwards, you dont have to walk str8 like in the 2d games, so the ice clone will suck in this game and wont be as useful.
Also, no BOon can nothave time toput more moves in if he did ineed give sub 2 special moves because the game has alreasy been completed dude.
(someone said he had time thats why i said that)
No he wont have 2 moves if anything I dont think he has his ground freeze or slide, but i am 90% sure he has freeze, ice clone, cold shoulder, and the other freeze move i forgot the name from MKDA where if you run into sub when he is standing there u would freeze.
that is 4 moves right there.
And no shuginko WILL be the best figter in the game, someone said since shuginko has raidens torpedo dive, kangs bike kick, a throw special, subs ice blast, scorps spear, ermacs slam, that he would be weaker and have little combos.
That is not true shuginko will be the best fighter and thats actually a fact, because he is use ANYBODYS fighting style, and anybodys special moves, so its up to you if you want a shuginko with little combos or big combos, and hid special moves will take the same amount of damage as the special moves that belong to that fighter have, meaning shuginkos bike kick, torpedo, ermac slam, will do the same damage as kang doing his kick, raiden doing his torpedo.
everybody got there classic moves back, kabal got his spin, fireball and chainsaw thing i seen kabals movelist he has 3 special moves, raiden has his torpedo move back, smoke has invinsiblity, that special move is back and scorp has his teleport punch, Maybe sub will even have his ground freeze and stuff trust me sub WILL have more then 2 specials dont worry dude.