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posted07/24/2007 01:42 AM (UTC)by
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redsaleen02
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ok here it is im on the right check is on the left. this is what is on our screens at the exact same frame acording to the clock. nice "skillfull" game. its the biggest handicap game out there.

FRAME ADVANTAGE PROOF

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redsaleen02
07/19/2007 10:31 PM (UTC)
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easiest way to see, it by looking at the parry word.


i forgot mav contributes way more than me. :)
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07/19/2007 11:06 PM (UTC)
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Doesn't surprise me one bit. Nice to actually SEE the difference. People might bitch, but I'm glad you did this.
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B0bbYBLaZe
07/19/2007 11:28 PM (UTC)
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good shit red... no one can say shit now the truth has been shown.
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07/19/2007 11:46 PM (UTC)
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OmertaC Wrote:
Doesn't surprise me one bit. Nice to actually SEE the difference. People might bitch, but I'm glad you did this.


Me too. I feel in the same boat as Red, not to his extent, of course. I mean, don't get me wrong. I don't think lag should be blamed for everything. But, I don't get when people (in certain situations) just say, "Adapt".

Well, I agree. But you can only "adapt" so much. If somebody can block later and counter faster than you... how do you "adapt" to that? I don't think they'd be saying that if they had less time to react and block and their opponent had more recovery time.

Ah well. I guess we all knew this, though. This is why I've said this before and will say it again:

There is a small handful of guys that are pretty much the best. Then there's most of everybody else. And then there's the weak players. Whatever "class" you're in.. that's as far as your "rank" goes in this game.

I mean, guys like Eazy, Alexei09, and G_Roy are way ahead of guys like myself. When they consistently beat guys in my "class" 20-10 or so, you can say that they're the elite. But can you say definitely who's the best of the elite? I don't think so. Just like you can't say who's the best of the rest. There's just too many variables online to make a consistent judgment of players' skills.
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B0bbYBLaZe
07/20/2007 12:37 AM (UTC)
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i know this game blows...i fucking wish the next mk would come out.
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Maverick3176
07/20/2007 01:26 AM (UTC)
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wow, Red has shown us that lag exists....whoop-tee-doo.
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07/20/2007 04:03 AM (UTC)
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ChaosTheory Wrote:
OmertaC Wrote:

I mean, guys like Eazy, Alexei09, and G_Roy are way ahead of guys like myself. When they consistently beat guys in my "class" 20-10 or so, you can say that they're the elite. But can you say definitely who's the best of the elite? I don't think so. Just like you can't say who's the best of the rest. There's just too many variables online to make a consistent judgment of players' skills.
Versatile is the best of the "ELITES".


nice job w/ the pictures RED.



i wish Groy had his old internet connection. i could show you guys what a perfect online connection looked like.
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07/20/2007 04:29 AM (UTC)
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Yeah? Well that's just cuz of his connection grin See? Can't be done.
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07/20/2007 04:54 AM (UTC)
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i know this game blows...i fucking wish the next mk would come out.


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07/20/2007 05:06 AM (UTC)
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redsaleen02 Wrote:
ok here it is im on the right check is on the left. this is what is on our screens at the exact same frame acording to the clock. nice "skillfull" game. its the biggest handicap game out there.

FRAME ADVANTAGE PROOF



dude just stop it already. IT IS NEVER GOING TO CHANGE.
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PumkinKing93
07/20/2007 06:43 AM (UTC)
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oh just deal with it red and play
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07/20/2007 07:12 AM (UTC)
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What's the point of this evidence you've presented, Red? Another excuse why some of us suck and why some don't? It's not like we can get an update to make it better. You can still use the term 'skill' when it comes to MKA and there's no doubt about that. Your skill level depends on how well you can adapt to all challenges MKA bad programming throws at you.

Therefore, we all have 2 choices:

1. Adapt to all the anomalies and get on with it
2. Quit playing MKA

I'll go with the first and my bet is if you're reading this, you're already down with the first.

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redsaleen02
07/20/2007 11:12 AM (UTC)
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theres that word again "adapt"

there is no adapting, to someone having the normal recovery and someone haveing half the recovery.

please trax i wish u could cap, the differnce would be 3 times worse than those pics.


ur conn is as bad as ps2, the glitch throw is near impossible on xbox, yet there are 2 people it will work on everytime, u and blaze. hmmmmm wonder why.
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07/20/2007 11:22 AM (UTC)
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Yes Red! 'Adaptability' and 'Skill level' go hand in hand. If you can't adapt, you won't get any better.

It's just like life, Red. It sucks for some and rocks for others. Usually the people it sucks for usually start making excuses about how unfair life is instead of readapting their style to be as competitive as possible.

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Anyways, this all sounds like you're making excuses for your inability to compete. Like I said, if you're interested in online play, you have no choice but to get on with the damn thing whenever you're able to connect because we're not going to get an update. Adapt or be killed!

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07/20/2007 07:43 PM (UTC)
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Perfect connection...online? .........

The only perfect connection you'll ever find is playing someone else LIVE via arcade, someones house whatever...

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07/20/2007 08:58 PM (UTC)
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GTrax Wrote:
Yes Red! 'Adaptability' and 'Skill level' go hand in hand. If you can't adapt, you won't get any better.
Trax


You can only adapt to a certain point.

If player "A" has a bigger window to block/counter/parry/jump than player "B". How does player "B" adapt?

I agree, in a consistent situation that's equal for both players; adaptablility and skill go hand in hand. But in this case ^^; player "B" would have to use more skill, more patience, and more effort than player "A", only to lose the match by one hit. But who moves up the tier list?

That's why I don't think tier lists are accurate aside from separating Elite from High/Mid from Low. Most of us are in the High/Mid category and can't really say they're better than whoever else.
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redsaleen02
07/20/2007 09:41 PM (UTC)
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only people with perfect connections online are

groy
strech
atari

they can air cancel like offline, thats why theres connections are pefect online connections.
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07/20/2007 09:56 PM (UTC)
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OMG

MKD came out in 2004.

It's 2007 now and you're still crying over this shit.

Get over it, you're playing online, you get lag.



jesus....
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07/20/2007 10:13 PM (UTC)
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Red, knock off the whole effect connection talk. There is no perfect connection. There is perfect condition which is compatibility issues with users at two ends.

All these talk takes credit away from people who actually play based on their skill level. If you find out the other guy has some sort of advantage then it's your job to adapt to it according my the third match. That's what I have to do when I play you guys. You live so close to the server that I'm automatically at the other end of the stick. And I notice this more when I come off PAL PS2 and jump directly on the XBOX. I literally have to re-tune my game. That's the challenge!
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07/21/2007 04:44 AM (UTC)
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i cant see what ur side looka likes, but on my end, ur conn sux. u cant be juggled, u are stupidly safe, only thing i like about playing u, is u are the easiest person to 33, and glitch throw. there requires no timming with any charatcer to 33 you, cause ur lag is that bad.

with anyone i play when i 33 with the hard charatecters it reqiures doing something more than just hitting 33. with u 33 is no different with any charater than like it is with lao, kira, noob etc. when i can perform 33 with scorp, kabal, brc, shinnok with ease, than that persons conn is a joke.

you dont use these tatics , i do, i no what works, and what doesnt, and how to time them. you and blaze take the least skill to 33, cause your lag is horrible. ypu are also the only 2 people on xbox that the glitch throw work on with consistancy.
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07/21/2007 09:21 AM (UTC)
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redsaleen02 Wrote:
i cant see what ur side looka likes, but on my end, ur conn sux. u cant be juggled, u are stupidly safe, only thing i like about playing u, is u are the easiest person to 33, and glitch throw. there requires no timming with any charatcer to 33 you, cause ur lag is that bad.

with anyone i play when i 33 with the hard charatecters it reqiures doing something more than just hitting 33. with u 33 is no different with any charater than like it is with lao, kira, noob etc. when i can perform 33 with scorp, kabal, brc, shinnok with ease, than that persons conn is a joke.

you dont use these tatics , i do, i no what works, and what doesnt, and how to time them. you and blaze take the least skill to 33, cause your lag is horrible. ypu are also the only 2 people on xbox that the glitch throw work on with consistancy.

So who's more impaired during gameplay? Because according to that statement above, if I'm reading it correctly, it means you're able to try so much shit with me because I lag so badly. So what's your beef?
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redsaleen02
07/21/2007 01:27 PM (UTC)
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i can 33 you, but blocking and countering is not easy cause your safe, and also u land attacks from distances out of range, cause u are closer on ur screen. so u start random moves that i should be able to sidestep, but the connect.
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07/21/2007 02:40 PM (UTC)
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redsaleen02 Wrote:
only people with perfect connections online are

groy
strech
atari

they can air cancel like offline, thats why theres connections are pefect online connections.



Red, you and one other person are the ONLY people I can do certain A/C's online. I can do anything I want once you are in the air. Like Baraka and Darious in weapon 1,1,CS,2 and jump up into another Air Combo. Easy offline....impossible online....except vs. you.

The A/C I do with Sindel 3,3,2,CS is probably the easiest to do as long as I can keep them in the air long enough to hit them.

But.....

I cant even do the most basic A/C vs. 75% of the community.
50% of the poeple I play, I will miss them in the air after a pop up.
50% can block mid combo in the air and they drop down.

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07/21/2007 02:58 PM (UTC)
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One more thing....I dont have any pictures but I will thell you this...


I use a PROGRAMMABLE controller.

Offline, I program a basic combo. Then go online.

99% of the people I play I have to "stretch" the programming. Meaning in order for the timing to work, I have to add spaces between inputs.

The fucked up part is, I have to "stretch" differently vs. almost everyone I play to obtain the desired results..


I can get REALLY technical on how I program down to the exact frame but you guys would get bored.

Bottom line is, understand, this is how I KNOW when Im playing behind you or not. Im not guessing or losing so I feel you have the advantage.

NO....The programmed moves/combo reflect whats happening with the connection.


Vs. Red, 90% of the things I can program offline dont require for me to "stretch".

****Thats why I tell him its like practice mode when we play*****

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