I think more people asume it is the Younger Sub-Zero than you think. I think it is the younger one, but I hope it is the Original Sub-Zero.

VainQueur Wrote: Greetings all, I hesitated if I should post it in the official character story speculation thread but I thought, since so many n00bs post ahead anyway and since I think it's something many people might want to discuss about, I'd create a different topic. Many people seem to think that Sub-Zero may in fact be the older Sub-Zero coming back from the dead to explain why there is no scar, in either of Sub-Zero's costumes. While MK has a reputation for raising the dead or semi-dead frequently (Scorpion, Kano, Classic Sub-Zero, Johnny Cage, Kung Lao...), I don't think the 5th Sub-Zero will ever return. If you read his story in UMK3/MKT, even there, there is confusion about his real identity. It's confusing enough as it is. But what if this Sub-Zero is actually... the 7th Sub-Zero? There are very few characters from DA returning, right? And nearly all of them don't belong to the familiar faces (so far no Kung Lao, Sonya, Jax, Cage, Raiden...), right? Nobody knows how many recruits the Lin Kuei has in training but we do know "Sub-Zero" is actually more of a title or codename than it is an actual name. Now (huge hypothesis here) we know that DE takes off right after the end of DA. A calamity could have occurred that made many of the classic kombatants disappear. In my own fan project, MK Legacies, I guessed that Frost might turn her back on the Lin Kuei and join the Red Dragon to betray Sub-Zero... what if she, in fact, did this and betrayed the 6th Sub-Zero? His loyal clanmembers would come looking for him, wouldn't they? Hence... Sub-Zero the 7th! It would also explain why his haircut changed so dramatically ;). Let me know what you think. Cheers, VQ

ok for one kano and kung lao were not ever dead to my knowledge. kano was defeated but not killed. just cuz they may seem to of been killed well i know some out thats fallen around 50 feet high and survived. hell didnt even go to the hosital or any thing but thats cuz he landed in sand. any ways, u also didnt mention sub- zeros eyes. he has the specter eyes like scorpion. and how could it be the younger sub zero? he didnt die and hes frozen. frost froze him and took the medallion. plus if it was the younger sub-zero he would be out of place in deception. there isnt gonna be that many good guys in the game. just a few probably just wanting revenge is all like kabal on mavado. and the older brother sub zero comeing back as a specter has a reason to. that is to get revenge on quan chi for setting him up. i wouldnt be surprised if sub-zero and scorpion team up in deception to take out chi for setting them up and useing them. i know id be hella pissed if that happened to me.

ok for one kano and kung lao were not ever dead to my knowledge. kano was defeated but not killed. just cuz they may seem to of been killed well i know some out thats fallen around 50 feet high and survived. hell didnt even go to the hosital or any thing but thats cuz he landed in sand. any ways, u also didnt mention sub- zeros eyes. he has the specter eyes like scorpion. and how could it be the younger sub zero? he didnt die and hes frozen. frost froze him and took the medallion. plus if it was the younger sub-zero he would be out of place in deception. there isnt gonna be that many good guys in the game. just a few probably just wanting revenge is all like kabal on mavado. and the older brother sub zero comeing back as a specter has a reason to. that is to get revenge on quan chi for setting him up. i wouldnt be surprised if sub-zero and scorpion team up in deception to take out chi for setting them up and useing them. i know id be hella pissed if that happened to me.

I agree. I've always kinda wanted those two to team up. (Not that the fued between them wasn't great too.) I've always liked the original Sub Zero over his bro. Don't know why...Maybe cuz he's evil and what not. He's just cooler to me.

Whoa. First things first mate. Learn how to spell... your spelling and grammar are awful, bordering on the unintelligible. Now, anyway...

Icy-X Wrote: ok for one kano and kung lao were not ever dead to my knowledge. kano was defeated but not killed. just cuz they may seem to of been killed well i know some out thats fallen around 50 feet high and survived. hell didnt even go to the hosital or any thing but thats cuz he landed in sand.

Kano was thought to have been killed (says so in MK3). Kung Lao was also presumed dead (says so in MKG). I wrote 'semi-dead' not just 'dead'.

Icy-X Wrote: any ways, u also didnt mention sub- zeros eyes. he has the specter eyes like scorpion.

For the umpteenth time: he had these in MK:DA as well. Select his alt outfit and see for yourself.

Icy-X Wrote: and how could it be the younger sub zero? he didnt die and hes frozen. frost froze him and took the medallion.

Not all endings happen...

About Sub-Zero and Scorpion teaming up; they might, it would be cool.

Cheers,
VQ

i can spell so stfu. its not my falt its fucking around 5 30 here when i posted that and still fucking tired i couldnt type completly right. so fuck u man. y u dont gotta be a mofo on a homo bitch.

I rarely see you spell right and your latest contribution didn't really make me change my mind. Poor insults, too, btw...

And now back on topic please.

VQ

what u mean u rarely see me spell right? i dont try to fucking spell u like "you" or r like "are". i type how i type. y da fuk use proper grammer?¿ this isnt fuking school. and maybe we should get back to the topic. and i dont try to insult ppl. it juss hapens. and yes i dont mean just i mean juss so stfu

I still think it's the younger brother, the same SZ who was in MKDA. As said before, in the pictures of Subbie released before both MKDA and MK4. So, having him without a scar at this early scar doesn't mean a whole lot, especially since he seems to have the dragon medallion in his more monk-like ensemble.
Nonetheless, it could be the S-Z of Mk1 lore.

Farfetched but imaginable storyline:
S-Z is either a spectre or has been revived somehow. Maintaining the stealth he had mastered as a Lin Keui ninja, he searched for a person able but foolish enough to do his dirty work for him. S-Z still has allegiance to the LK, but not the LK of his brother. He also despises the lack of hostility between his younger brother and Scorpion). He wants to return the dragon medallion to the Lin Keui, his Lin Kuei. In order to do this, he taught a young woman, a capable fighter in her own rights, the lower arts of his freezing ability. She agreed to retrieve the dragon medallion in exchange for his services.

This storyline's possible relevence to MKD:
It would hint at either Frost's death or a stronger version of Frost. Frost turns on the younger Sub-Zero, but if she takes the d. medallion, does she keep it? If so, then both Sub-Zeros have been double crossed, probably wanting revenge. Possibly, she kills the younger SZ (very farfetched) and gives it to the older Sz. This wouldn't work as well, story-wise.

If the older Sub-Zero is in MKD, his younger brother should be, as well. SZ of MK1 forms his own Lin Kuei, which he would consider the "real" LK. Perhaps he tries to enlist Sektor. (Which would reveal the relationship of MK1 Subbie and the cyberninjas before they were automated). All this ensues while trying to destroy The Dragon King, who is a threat to all.

Dude, are you ever going to leave an intellegable post that doesn't insult someone when you think they are wrong.. anyway... didn't Kano die in MK3 and Kahn brought him back after Motaro found him or healed him or something... I'll have to play through conquest again.. Kano was thought to be dead anyway in MK4 being that Jarek was the 'last' of the black dragon... If they have the older Sub-Zero return I think he should look slightly more demonic or something if he was in Netherealm... but he could be alive somehow, though I doubt Scorpion would of left him alive... but why would scorpion think that the younger Sub-Zero was the Older one in MKII? speculation?

Dude you need to seriously calm down. He was trying to be polite about ur grammar and flaming tendencies. He has a valid point. He isn't trying to pick a fight with you or insult you on a personal level.... he is just trying to have a civil debate with you. Telling people to "stfu" all the time is not a good way to present a strong argument.

Icy-X Wrote: what u mean u rarely see me spell right? i dont try to fucking spell u like "you" or r like "are". i type how i type. y da fuk use proper grammer?¿ this isnt fuking school. and maybe we should get back to the topic. and i dont try to insult ppl. it juss hapens. and yes i dont mean just i mean juss so stfu

wow, icy-X needs his skeleton ripped.

but i think its the same subbie from mkda, they just didnt put the scar on him yet, they have months before the game is released anway. i'm actually disappointed with his look tho.

maybe they still deciding whether to make his scar red or frosty blue like in mkda. just my opinion

Well i actually agree that is the same subbie from MKDA, the fact of not putting the scar was just to start the bitchin around it, i think its just to give us fans gossip and speculation to talk about. Anyway i think VanQueer must also calm down we're not here to criticize the grammar and spelling of anyone, Pobody's Nerfect.SuCh Is LiFe..........

There have only been 2 subzero's, not 6 or even a 7th.

Subzero from MK1 was in UMK3 and that's it - if I remember correctly? The other games had the same Sub from MK2.

Kano as far as we know is not dead.
Kung Lao hasn't been killed either.

Subzero is not frozen from Frost either. He was wounded, and that only happened if Frost's ending from MKDA actually did happen itself which I highly doubt.


We don't know who's endings in MKDA actually happened until Deception is released. So the only thing we KNOW about this thread is that there are 2 subzero's

mk_freak Wrote: Well i actually agree that is the same subbie from MKDA, the fact of not putting the scar was just to start the bitchin around it, i think its just to give us fans gossip and speculation to talk about.

Possibly, yes. But then again Midway has made mistakes before, like forgetting Scorpion's white eyes in UMK3...

mk_freak Wrote: Anyway i think VanQueer must also calm down we're not here to criticize the grammar and spelling of anyone, Pobody's Nerfect.SuCh Is LiFe..........

Nobody's perfect indeed. I don't expect perfect spelling from everyone, but some basic intelligibility could do. Besides, your pun on my nickname has been made before... Actually my nickname means "conqueror" and has nothing at all to do with gay people.

Cheers,
VQ

Actually the whole topic is moot. The Dragon medallion ages Subby fast right? Hence is why everyone else in the MK franchise still looks young and he looks like he's pushing 60. So even if it was his older brother he still would look younger than the current Sub-Zero. And we can all see by the balding pony-tail outfit that he is, infact, old a grey.

MethMaker Wrote: I still think it's the younger brother, the same SZ who was in MKDA.

Midway sure is known for adding that MK3 scar on Sub-Zero at the last minute. In fact, according to mortalkombatbible.com, Sub-Zero did not have that scar in MK4 until Version 1.72. I even remember playing as him without the scar on the MK4 Road Tour.

well i think that since midway already released the image of the scarless subzero they wont even bother to make the scar

Just a thought; what if he is the older Sub-Zero, whose spirit was released into Outworld because of the Soulnado? There's nothing that said that it was ever closed, so maybe some of the spirits escaped.

i also thought about that but most people kept saying it was the younger one

Jerrod Wrote: Just a thought; what if he is the older Sub-Zero, whose spirit was released into Outworld because of the Soulnado? There's nothing that said that it was ever closed, so maybe some of the spirits escaped.

Possibility. While i do really beleiev it is the younger SZ, im not ruling out the possibility of the original coming back. His return is unlikey, but this is MK. Anything can happen.....

It is the sub-zero from mkda. Reliable sources state this. They just haven't put it in yet. It will be put in at the last minute. It's the same sub from mkda so sorry.

So new what do you know?

cek12345 Wrote: It is the sub-zero from mkda. Reliable sources state this. They just haven't put it in yet. It will be put in at the last minute. It's the same sub from mkda so sorry.

Ill make this as simple as possible. If you know the story of the Sub-Zero brothers, you'll know that Sub-Zero the 4th (the father of Sub-Zero the 5th and 6th, never seen in the games) was a Lin Kuei ninja who lived in America as a cover for his true identity. Married, he had two sons and one daughter. Conflict arose within the marriage, with Sub-Zero the 4th's wife wanting a normal upbringing for her children. Despite desperately trying to hide the children, Sub-Zero found them and took them back to Lin Kuei headquarters in China. The mother and sister were never seen or heard from again. The older son was to inherit the name of Sub-Zero. The first Zero in MKI was the 5th person to claim the title, the older of the two sons, so thats why we refer to him as Sub-Zero the 5th. After his death, the younger brother from MKII-MK:DA stepped in and is Sub-Zero the 6th.

The Sub-Zero from UMK3 that resembled SubZero the 5th, wasnt SZ the 5th (from MKI) nor the 6th...

This is his story: A warrior who fought against Kahn's invasion. He wore the uniform of the Lin Kuei and possessed powers similar to the real Sub-Zero. Thought to be the one who was killed during the last official tournament, he revealed himself to be another warrior missing from a previous tournament. He is associated with the realm of Scislac Busorez, which might have been either his home or, more likely, his base of operations during the invasion.

So the Sub-Zero in UMK3-MKT who looked like the 5th had no relation to neither the 5th or 6th. He was a different similar looking warrior altogether.

Just thought Id clear some of that up... As for Zero in MK:D I believe its the 6th, just unfinished (the scar)... its still early, guys. I wouldnt look into it so hard.

DoomBringer Wrote: Ill make this as simple as possible. If you know the story of the Sub-Zero brothers, you'll know that Sub-Zero the 4th (the father of Sub-Zero the 5th and 6th, never seen in the games) was a Lin Kuei ninja who lived in America as a cover for his true identity. Married, he had two sons and one daughter. Conflict arose within the marriage, with Sub-Zero the 4th's wife wanting a normal upbringing for her children. Despite desperately trying to hide the children, Sub-Zero found them and took them back to Lin Kuei headquarters in China. The mother and sister were never seen or heard from again. The older son was to inherit the name of Sub-Zero. The first Zero in MKI was the 5th person to claim the title, the older of the two sons, so thats why we refer to him as Sub-Zero the 5th. After his death, the younger brother from MKII-MK:DA stepped in and is Sub-Zero the 6th. The Sub-Zero from UMK3 that resembled SubZero the 5th, wasnt SZ the 5th (from MKI) nor the 6th... This is his story: A warrior who fought against Kahn's invasion. He wore the uniform of the Lin Kuei and possessed powers similar to the real Sub-Zero. Thought to be the one who was killed during the last official tournament, he revealed himself to be another warrior missing from a previous tournament. He is associated with the realm of Scislac Busorez, which might have been either his home or, more likely, his base of operations during the invasion. So the Sub-Zero in UMK3-MKT who looked like the 5th had no relation to neither the 5th or 6th. He was a different similar looking warrior altogether. Just thought Id clear some of that up... As for Zero in MK:D I believe its the 6th, just unfinished (the scar)... its still early, guys. I wouldnt look into it so hard.

This may be way too obvious, but since the 2 Subs had a sister, anyone think theres a chance it could be Frost?