Tournament Rules Discussion - Banning Of MOB(Moloch/Onaga/Blaze)
Tournament Rules Discussion - Banning Of MOB(Moloch/Onaga/Blaze)
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posted10/27/2006 08:45 PM (UTC)byI personally believe for future clan tournaments, regular tournaments, player tier fights, etc that these characters should not be allowed to be used. I'm all for playing to win, and you should know that if you fight me, but this game is actually pretty fucking balanced without them. I think it would be more fun and more skilled if these guys are not used for special events.
For casual fights? Sure. I'm becoming better with both Moloch and Blaze, and I feel I can give anybody a good fight with either, but it doesn't change the fact that they're so overly powered that they should be banned. This shouldn't even be a discussion. They can't be thrown,juggled OR projectiled. What about any of that is legit?
I know what you're thinking. If MBO is banned, then shouldn't Kintaro and Goro be too? Well, that's up to you to decide. I'll be down with whatever you guys want. It's obvious to me that neither characters are anywhere near MBO, and it's also obvious to me that both are inferior to top tier normal characters such as Sareena,Sub-Zero,Mavado,Scorpion,Quan Chi,Noob,etc. And that's even with their boss abilities(immune to throws,juggles and projectiles).
So lets discuss this. I'd like to get a big tournament with proper rules(double elim,losers bracket,etc) poppin off by November, but before that, I want to get this out of the way. Post whether you agree or not with what I've said. The majority will win, and you will not hear a complaint out of me if it's decided that MBO is fine, but I will argue it to death until then.
So YAY if you're down with legit, high level fights and NAY if you know damn well you can't win without the lamest shit since MK3 Sub-Zero(jk).
For casual fights? Sure. I'm becoming better with both Moloch and Blaze, and I feel I can give anybody a good fight with either, but it doesn't change the fact that they're so overly powered that they should be banned. This shouldn't even be a discussion. They can't be thrown,juggled OR projectiled. What about any of that is legit?
I know what you're thinking. If MBO is banned, then shouldn't Kintaro and Goro be too? Well, that's up to you to decide. I'll be down with whatever you guys want. It's obvious to me that neither characters are anywhere near MBO, and it's also obvious to me that both are inferior to top tier normal characters such as Sareena,Sub-Zero,Mavado,Scorpion,Quan Chi,Noob,etc. And that's even with their boss abilities(immune to throws,juggles and projectiles).
So lets discuss this. I'd like to get a big tournament with proper rules(double elim,losers bracket,etc) poppin off by November, but before that, I want to get this out of the way. Post whether you agree or not with what I've said. The majority will win, and you will not hear a complaint out of me if it's decided that MBO is fine, but I will argue it to death until then.
So YAY if you're down with legit, high level fights and NAY if you know damn well you can't win without the lamest shit since MK3 Sub-Zero(jk).

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Versatile Wrote:
I personally believe for future clan tournaments, regular tournaments, player tier fights, etc that these characters should not be allowed to be used. I'm all for playing to win, and you should know that if you fight me, but this game is actually pretty fucking balanced without them. I think it would be more fun and more skilled if these guys are not used for special events.
For casual fights? Sure. I'm becoming better with both Moloch and Blaze, and I feel I can give anybody a good fight with either, but it doesn't change the fact that they're so overly powered that they should be banned. This shouldn't even be a discussion. They can't be thrown,juggled OR projectiled. What about any of that is legit?
I know what you're thinking. If MBO is banned, then shouldn't Kintaro and Goro be too? Well, that's up to you to decide. I'll be down with whatever you guys want. It's obvious to me that neither characters are anywhere near MBO, and it's also obvious to me that both are inferior to top tier normal characters such as Sareena,Sub-Zero,Mavado,Scorpion,Quan Chi,Noob,etc. And that's even with their boss abilities(immune to throws,juggles and projectiles).
So lets discuss this. I'd like to get a big tournament with proper rules(double elim,losers bracket,etc) poppin off by November, but before that, I want to get this out of the way. Post whether you agree or not with what I've said. The majority will win, and you will not hear a complaint out of me if it's decided that MBO is fine, but I will argue it to death until then.
So YAY if you're down with legit, high level fights and NAY if you know damn well you can't win without the lamest shit since MK3 Sub-Zero(jk).
I personally believe for future clan tournaments, regular tournaments, player tier fights, etc that these characters should not be allowed to be used. I'm all for playing to win, and you should know that if you fight me, but this game is actually pretty fucking balanced without them. I think it would be more fun and more skilled if these guys are not used for special events.
For casual fights? Sure. I'm becoming better with both Moloch and Blaze, and I feel I can give anybody a good fight with either, but it doesn't change the fact that they're so overly powered that they should be banned. This shouldn't even be a discussion. They can't be thrown,juggled OR projectiled. What about any of that is legit?
I know what you're thinking. If MBO is banned, then shouldn't Kintaro and Goro be too? Well, that's up to you to decide. I'll be down with whatever you guys want. It's obvious to me that neither characters are anywhere near MBO, and it's also obvious to me that both are inferior to top tier normal characters such as Sareena,Sub-Zero,Mavado,Scorpion,Quan Chi,Noob,etc. And that's even with their boss abilities(immune to throws,juggles and projectiles).
So lets discuss this. I'd like to get a big tournament with proper rules(double elim,losers bracket,etc) poppin off by November, but before that, I want to get this out of the way. Post whether you agree or not with what I've said. The majority will win, and you will not hear a complaint out of me if it's decided that MBO is fine, but I will argue it to death until then.
So YAY if you're down with legit, high level fights and NAY if you know damn well you can't win without the lamest shit since MK3 Sub-Zero(jk).
TKO will use whoever is necessary to win.....
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So you're saying without MBO you can't win, huh?
You do realize, and this is not directed to you Shaun, but everyone, that players all over the world play to win and still have boundaries through banning characters right?
in CVS2 people play in tournaments for thousands of dollars all the time. The two best characters: Ultra Rugal and Shin Akuma, are both banned in any serious tournament. Why? Because while playing to win is fine, those guys are so much better than everyone else and have such vast advantages that they make the game a joke.
In KOF games certain characters are also banned at times. I know Rugal was banned in KOF2k2.
The ultimate example is Akuma from SSFT2. He was also banned due to being so much better than everyone else.
When are we going to play? You pussied out yesterday and acted like you couldn't see me challeging you three times, so I decided to fight Quik instead. You were busy talking shit to scrubs(nothing new).
You do realize, and this is not directed to you Shaun, but everyone, that players all over the world play to win and still have boundaries through banning characters right?
in CVS2 people play in tournaments for thousands of dollars all the time. The two best characters: Ultra Rugal and Shin Akuma, are both banned in any serious tournament. Why? Because while playing to win is fine, those guys are so much better than everyone else and have such vast advantages that they make the game a joke.
In KOF games certain characters are also banned at times. I know Rugal was banned in KOF2k2.
The ultimate example is Akuma from SSFT2. He was also banned due to being so much better than everyone else.
When are we going to play? You pussied out yesterday and acted like you couldn't see me challeging you three times, so I decided to fight Quik instead. You were busy talking shit to scrubs(nothing new).
YAY
also if folks think just the 3 should be banned then ill allow goro and kintaro. but if theres more nays im banning all 5 from the tiers.
i hate not being able to throw when i want to.
or having to play a totally new game vs them, its a joke.
also if folks think just the 3 should be banned then ill allow goro and kintaro. but if theres more nays im banning all 5 from the tiers.
i hate not being able to throw when i want to.
or having to play a totally new game vs them, its a joke.
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I agree and when is the tourney?
danadbab Wrote:
YAY
also if folks think just the 3 should be banned then ill allow goro and kintaro. but if theres more nays im banning all 5 from the tiers.
i hate not being able to throw when i want to.
or having to play a totally new game vs them, its a joke.
YAY
also if folks think just the 3 should be banned then ill allow goro and kintaro. but if theres more nays im banning all 5 from the tiers.
i hate not being able to throw when i want to.
or having to play a totally new game vs them, its a joke.
I disagree. If you were able to throw Kintaro and Goro, they would be the 2 worst ppl in the game. They are slow, Very Slow. They are not super powerful neither. They are powerful but not as powerful as Noob Saibot for instance.
Kintaro and Goro are fine for tournamet play imo. M,B and O on the other hand are just too strong. They got speed and power. Kintaro and Goro don't.
Also, I think Sheeva is better then Kintaro and Goro.
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^^^^^I agree with him.


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Thus far, I agree with BOTH Chris and Shaun, I think that a) Yes, they ARE too powerful to use legitimately against anyone else, because it destroys whatever level of skill you have built yourself up to, and overpowers that with their strengths, but b) I also believe in the "play to win" thought strategy, and think that if someone picks MBO (aka BRC this time around) that there shouldnt be any bitching or complaining, because its in the game.
Yes, there are tournaments, where characters are banned because they are too powerful. but these are NOT those tournaments. Do I HATE playing against these characters? Yes, absolutely. They have so far ruined my online experience, and made me want to put down the game for good. Will I bitch about it when I lose to them? Only in private, to myself, or in discussion with my clanmates.
The plain and simple truth, is that we have not yet figured out a successful strategy against these characters, but it IS out there.
Frankly, I think there should be a rule - Don't BAN these characters, but if your opponent chooses either M/B/O, then you should be allowed to infinate them until they choose someone else, at which time infinates shall be banned.
If they cant break the infinate, tech roll the infinate, wake-up the infinate, or parry the infinate... then that shits on them, and they should go back into practice mode.
This game has WAY too many "ways out" of infinates this time around.
Like the old MK:D Hotaru infinate (Throw, popup, walk under, repeat) if your stupid ass runs out of breakers, thats my problem how?
I just think this method should be employed.
Yes, there are tournaments, where characters are banned because they are too powerful. but these are NOT those tournaments. Do I HATE playing against these characters? Yes, absolutely. They have so far ruined my online experience, and made me want to put down the game for good. Will I bitch about it when I lose to them? Only in private, to myself, or in discussion with my clanmates.
The plain and simple truth, is that we have not yet figured out a successful strategy against these characters, but it IS out there.
Frankly, I think there should be a rule - Don't BAN these characters, but if your opponent chooses either M/B/O, then you should be allowed to infinate them until they choose someone else, at which time infinates shall be banned.
If they cant break the infinate, tech roll the infinate, wake-up the infinate, or parry the infinate... then that shits on them, and they should go back into practice mode.
This game has WAY too many "ways out" of infinates this time around.
Like the old MK:D Hotaru infinate (Throw, popup, walk under, repeat) if your stupid ass runs out of breakers, thats my problem how?
I just think this method should be employed.
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Doom..homie...You can't infinite MOB. None of them. I commend for trying to accomodate both sides, but it's obvious the easiest way to handle this is to simply ban them. If MOB is the only way you can win, you need to sell this game and go learn how to play Power Stone or something.
Dave doesn't need them either. I've fought his Jax and it's fucking beastly. So if allowing MOB is a way of protecting dave or something, he's an elite and knows how to play no matter what fences are built.
The more I think about it the more Goro and Kintaro being banned seems silly to me. They don't even do big damage. I mean, they're not weak, but compared to Noob,Sub,Quan,Scorp,etc they don't deal that much of a punch considering how slow they are. I play Kintaro and I have to work my ass off to win games with him. I don't know much about Goro, but I assume its pretty much the same story.
Dave doesn't need them either. I've fought his Jax and it's fucking beastly. So if allowing MOB is a way of protecting dave or something, he's an elite and knows how to play no matter what fences are built.
The more I think about it the more Goro and Kintaro being banned seems silly to me. They don't even do big damage. I mean, they're not weak, but compared to Noob,Sub,Quan,Scorp,etc they don't deal that much of a punch considering how slow they are. I play Kintaro and I have to work my ass off to win games with him. I don't know much about Goro, but I assume its pretty much the same story.
I say let the game develop a little more.It's only been about a week.Some characters and matches need to be exploited further.Or maybe something else will be found that will have a huge impact on the gameplay.
But you can always argue to keep them in.Who's to decide to keep these guys out of serious competition?We've been playing the other shitty game for two damn years and it was mostly revolved around two characters (Dairou and Bo).Or should I say just Bo because most players sucked with Dairou?
Anyway,ban them or not.I don't care.However,if there's a non-boss character that becomes too good as well as times goes on,what will we do then?Ban him or her as well?Keep banning characters until everyone is satisfied?
It's why it's pointless especially when people will use whoever they want in the first place.Furthermore, you'll be spending most of your time playing casually online,and not in clan tournaments and whatnot.
But you can always argue to keep them in.Who's to decide to keep these guys out of serious competition?We've been playing the other shitty game for two damn years and it was mostly revolved around two characters (Dairou and Bo).Or should I say just Bo because most players sucked with Dairou?
Anyway,ban them or not.I don't care.However,if there's a non-boss character that becomes too good as well as times goes on,what will we do then?Ban him or her as well?Keep banning characters until everyone is satisfied?
It's why it's pointless especially when people will use whoever they want in the first place.Furthermore, you'll be spending most of your time playing casually online,and not in clan tournaments and whatnot.


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You know what?
I've heard at least three people refer to Noob as a high-tier character... I'm just wondering - what the fuck are you all talking about?
I've tried to play with Noob, and they slowed him down TREMENDOUSLY from his MK:D days. They also changed some of his movesets, and removed some of his best special moves.
His combos have gone to crap, and his weapon stance isnt even that good (though slightly faster).
Can someone explain to me what exactly is so "elite" about Noob? Is it his speed, or something? Fill me in, seriously, because I can't seem to figure this one out.
I've heard at least three people refer to Noob as a high-tier character... I'm just wondering - what the fuck are you all talking about?
I've tried to play with Noob, and they slowed him down TREMENDOUSLY from his MK:D days. They also changed some of his movesets, and removed some of his best special moves.
His combos have gone to crap, and his weapon stance isnt even that good (though slightly faster).
Can someone explain to me what exactly is so "elite" about Noob? Is it his speed, or something? Fill me in, seriously, because I can't seem to figure this one out.

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lets just play this game no matter who ....we all have been waiting for a mk with all fighters so use em all...boss or no boss i dont care anymore. i see mor molochs than anything online now since dave has used him. i see now that this community does not have a mind of its own. even my kak has been cloned. JUST FIGHT.
good idea matches like this are stupidNoob V. Blaze

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Doohoo man, sorry but that is THE WORST display of Blaze I've ever seen! Whoever that was is beyond helping, or needs a boost in ai hehehe....
At this point in time, I would not argue against prohibiting these three from tournament play. There's so much difference between them and the rest of the cast it's like they're from a totally different game.
Dai Vs Bo were challanging matches... These three are just fucking recockulous IMO
At this point in time, I would not argue against prohibiting these three from tournament play. There's so much difference between them and the rest of the cast it's like they're from a totally different game.
Dai Vs Bo were challanging matches... These three are just fucking recockulous IMO
m2dave Wrote:
I say let the game develop a little more.It's only been about a week.Some characters and matches need to be exploited further.Or maybe something else will be found that will have a huge impact on the gameplay.
But you can always argue to keep them in.Who's to decide to keep these guys out of serious competition?We've been playing the other shitty game for two damn years and it was mostly revolved around two characters (Dairou and Bo).Or should I say just Bo because most players sucked with Dairou?
Anyway,ban them or not.I don't care.However,if there's a non-boss character that becomes too good as well as times goes on,what will we do then?Ban him or her as well?Keep banning characters until everyone is satisfied?
It's why it's pointless especially when people will use whoever they want in the first place.Furthermore, you'll be spending most of your time playing casually online,and not in clan tournaments and whatnot.
other characters wont be banned. bo and dai never were. its the fact that playing MOB is like playing a new game. theres 60 other characters to choose from, banning 3 isnt a major issue. I say let the game develop a little more.It's only been about a week.Some characters and matches need to be exploited further.Or maybe something else will be found that will have a huge impact on the gameplay.
But you can always argue to keep them in.Who's to decide to keep these guys out of serious competition?We've been playing the other shitty game for two damn years and it was mostly revolved around two characters (Dairou and Bo).Or should I say just Bo because most players sucked with Dairou?
Anyway,ban them or not.I don't care.However,if there's a non-boss character that becomes too good as well as times goes on,what will we do then?Ban him or her as well?Keep banning characters until everyone is satisfied?
It's why it's pointless especially when people will use whoever they want in the first place.Furthermore, you'll be spending most of your time playing casually online,and not in clan tournaments and whatnot.
Kintaro users~kintaro is a fast moving boss, try just holding up down or foward and back. he moves slower if you tap, but if up hold up, down foward and back he moves faster.
DOOM~ noob is high tier because all of his attacks are safe on block. a bunch of characters are like this on and offline.
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Dave, Bo and Dai would be thrown, juggled and were affected by projectiles. Yes they were broken, but they had natural properties. These guys do not. Not only that, but Dai and Bo a hell of a lot more to win with then MOB do.
We should ban them because of their enhanced properties, not because of brokenness. If we banned broken characters then Sareena and a shit load of others would be banned too.
If you look through fighting game history, characters with obscene,superior and/or game changing properties have been banned from serious play.
We should ban them because of their enhanced properties, not because of brokenness. If we banned broken characters then Sareena and a shit load of others would be banned too.
If you look through fighting game history, characters with obscene,superior and/or game changing properties have been banned from serious play.
i dont mind playing bosses . in fact if your down go ahead and pick blaze . ive beeten like a million blazes with my bruce lee . and he doesnt even have powers . lol . i dont like bosses but if you pick a boss you are nothing more than weak . picking a boss gives you the option of ether picking a boss yourself and if you didnt now boss fights are the most lamest fights
.or you could pick a regular carachter and beat the shit out the boss they pick and make theyr game even more pathetic . hahahaha .
its ok to pick a boss . just as long as you assept you are nothing but pathetic . lol .


.or you could pick a regular carachter and beat the shit out the boss they pick and make theyr game even more pathetic . hahahaha .
its ok to pick a boss . just as long as you assept you are nothing but pathetic . lol .
OC-BONE Wrote:
.or you could pick a regular carachter and beat the shit out the boss they pick and make theyr game even more pathetic . hahahaha .
its ok to pick a boss . just as long as you assept you are nothing but pathetic .
.or you could pick a regular carachter and beat the shit out the boss they pick and make theyr game even more pathetic . hahahaha .
its ok to pick a boss . just as long as you assept you are nothing but pathetic .
This only goes for MOB
Kintaro and Goro unlike thoses three actually take skill to get good with. They can be hit by projectiles and are very slow. Also, they can't jump for shit. I say Motaro is better then Kintaro and Goro Imo.
Sareena is better then Motaro, Goro, And Kintaro.
Versatile Wrote:
Dave, Bo and Dai would be thrown, juggled and were affected by projectiles. Yes they were broken, but they had natural properties. These guys do not. Not only that, but Dai and Bo a hell of a lot more to win with then MOB do.
We should ban them because of their enhanced properties, not because of brokenness. If we banned broken characters then Sareena and a shit load of others would be banned too.
If you look through fighting game history, characters with obscene,superior and/or game changing properties have been banned from serious play.
Dave, Bo and Dai would be thrown, juggled and were affected by projectiles. Yes they were broken, but they had natural properties. These guys do not. Not only that, but Dai and Bo a hell of a lot more to win with then MOB do.
We should ban them because of their enhanced properties, not because of brokenness. If we banned broken characters then Sareena and a shit load of others would be banned too.
If you look through fighting game history, characters with obscene,superior and/or game changing properties have been banned from serious play.
I go by broken,and not by "advanced properties".Goro and Onaga have these properties as well but they're nowhere near as good as Moloch or Blaze.
Give Moloch's 1,1,u+3 or Blaze's d+1 to my Jax and I'll be unbeatable.I don't need their properties.
If you're going to ban the bosses,then ban Sareena and Noob,for example.I'm just as tired of Knives and random-ass safe 2,4 into half a life just as you are tired of dealing with the bosses' special properties.
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I think you're being silly. You are highly underrating their properties to strengthen your point it seems. If Moloch,Blaze and Onaga could be juggled, projectiled and thrown, there would be no need for them to be banned.
Some of you should read my posts above. I'm not trying to shelter people from high level play, but like I said, in plenty of fighters certain characters are banned. Sareena nor Noob should be banned because they can both be beat by Sub,Quan,Scorp,Jax and Mav to name a few. They also shouldn't be banned because they have normal properties outside of extremely good moves.
and with either of those moves you mentioned Jax would still be beatable by a great deal.
Some of you should read my posts above. I'm not trying to shelter people from high level play, but like I said, in plenty of fighters certain characters are banned. Sareena nor Noob should be banned because they can both be beat by Sub,Quan,Scorp,Jax and Mav to name a few. They also shouldn't be banned because they have normal properties outside of extremely good moves.
and with either of those moves you mentioned Jax would still be beatable by a great deal.
goro kintaro and motaro do have potential in learning to play with em . but then again they arent that good . they do damage but all i have to do is dissapear in back of those big shokons or centars . lol . and they will never now i was there . in fact they will never now who hit them . lol . honestly i dont like em and have no intention on picking anybody from the bottom .
but go head and pick blaze onaga and moloc . i dont mind . more wins for me . HAHAHA . LOL .
and as for MOB .
- i dont know about moloc but hes wack , really eazy .
- onaga . slow and dumb
- Blaze , i dont know how many of you know this but he is the worst player in the game . lol . he sucks more than anybody in the entire mortal kombat history . it takes blaze 1 hour to deliver a punch . you really have to be good with these guys to win cuz they take a lot of life . but if you do learn how to play with em you are pathetic . unless you just learn for fun or just to learn but then why would you play online with em . hmmm.... something to think about . . . . . . . lol.
i think the caracter is cool but in fighting he is weak .


but go head and pick blaze onaga and moloc . i dont mind . more wins for me . HAHAHA . LOL .
and as for MOB .
- i dont know about moloc but hes wack , really eazy .
- onaga . slow and dumb
- Blaze , i dont know how many of you know this but he is the worst player in the game . lol . he sucks more than anybody in the entire mortal kombat history . it takes blaze 1 hour to deliver a punch . you really have to be good with these guys to win cuz they take a lot of life . but if you do learn how to play with em you are pathetic . unless you just learn for fun or just to learn but then why would you play online with em . hmmm.... something to think about . . . . . . . lol.
i think the caracter is cool but in fighting he is weak .
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