If Ursula was the sub boss in MK:D , and she talked trash and all , I would instantly love this MK more than any other MK. Ursula ROCKS ! She's the best character Disney has ever created !!! You better believe she'd kick ass !! A female sub boss would be sooooooooo cool. I love this idea a lot.

i have to disagree here

my reasons:

first of all when somebody mentions a female subboss i think: final fantasy or a shoujo anime

mk doesnt need a female sub boss it needs ass kicking subbosses it doesnt matter the genre.

whats the diference between a woman and a man almost nothing so i dont thing the change its necesary.

is almost a rule that females in videogames are good looking so its almost sure that she will given with a lot of mystical abilities. and that doesnt fit in mk cuz the subbosses always fight without much technique and thats what make em special.

about the octopus thing i dont like it, for one reason: Ursula, the char has to be extremly bad ass to erase from the gamers mind that there is a character like that one in the little mermaid. or maybe she can have the tentacles instead of hands cuz instead of feets is really stupid.(because i've seen ursula before maybe).

gorbak Wrote: Let me break it down its either Gorbak or Kintaro for sub bosses......but keep trucking with your ideas.Who knows?

Kintaro's dead, he was killed by Raiden in MKII, and I seriously doubt a Shokan would ally with the DK anyway, so no Gorbak.

Tetra_Vega Wrote: The last thing we need is some Outworld Kraken. The movement wouldn't look right or may pose programming problems. Besides what's her stoty ,trying to free the aquatic realm from the Outworld conglomerate? ^_^^_^InuYasha^_^^_^

Dude, if you really cant think of any original story for this kind of character then you really must hate imagination. As for the programming, MK7 is coming out for next gen consoles, and it’s not for nothing. My guess is that this kind of animation will be outstanding and possible.

Greenroom Wrote: Can I say how much I love you for this post?!?!?!? I have wanted and evil Female Boss or Sub-Boss for the longest time. Ursula is my all time FAVORITE Disney Villain and although it would be difficult to have that type of Battle I really like the idea. My other idea was a Medusa type character. LOVE THIS IDEA!!!

I’m glad Greenroom!!! Ursula is also my favorite villain. I feel happy you managed to picture the incredible battle this ultimate monster could produce! I’m glad you liked my idea. I always kept mentioning this in billions of other threads, but I never made one till today.

ghostdragon Wrote: With some of the responses here, it seem like you people are saying that a female can't be a good sub or main boss. Well... aren't we a bunch of male chauvinists? Of course the female characters have their 'place' in the games, but not in the prominent roles, right?! *laughs* Guess it's still the 1920's. GD

I know isn’t it sad???

Wisdom324 Wrote: I down with having a female sub boss, but Ursula, no way. It would be cool to have a female sub boss with something along those lines, but please keep all Disney characters out of it.

That’s what I actally ment. God .NOT Urusla, but a monster similar to her.

travelingwilbury Wrote: OMFG! LOL! another (chuckles) great brainchild from queve. (burst into histarical laughfater) actually great cocept but not that octupus from disney. a female sub-boss would be kool but wouldnt fit into mk's story right now. great idea. you got tgrant to comment on it and give you some concepts. just get temp to help and you 3 can make a working female boss. maybe nitara in a later mk game. raiden did say in mkda that the vampires could pose a threat. a bigger badder nitara. kool. i have my own brainchild!

LOL. Thanks dude! I’m glad you liked it. I have already the sketch of the female octopus but for some reason, my pic host wont load it!!!

Black_Dragon Wrote: HAAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!! ITS ABOUT TIME SOMEONE MADE ME LAUGH!!!!!!!!!! WOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!! HAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!! good times....good times....But seriously, I dont like the Idea Quevyboy, How Bout having yours Truly, Black_Dragon as Sub-Boss? My Pic is the little guy in my sig!

I just hope you are not one the many who thought I ment add Ursula to the game.

Bad_Girl_Love Wrote: Well Queve, i think it's a great idea! Have you heard of the Greek Mythological creature Scylla? She would be a good blue print for this. Why the hell do we still have the idiots who think women can't fight? When we get online I cant wait to kick your asses with Mileena and Tanya, then we'll see who cant fight! hahahahahahahhaha(evil laugh) By the way, the little Mermaid rocks!

Hey bro! Nope I have never heard of Scylla, but Im glad you liked the idea. Whats that creature like? About the second part .sad but true.

anitabath118 Wrote: Hmmm. Not really an original idea but what about something along the lines of Bloody Mary or something horrid like that? Who knows, it could work somehow, just like the Ursula/Kraken idea. Or maybe even a little demon child. I can see it now, a little kid defeating all the MK warriors. But who knows what Boon has planned, he's got something nasty up his sleeve... or not.

I like the demonic child idea. Glad you liked the octo idea btw.

CMETH Wrote: Lmao, Hell no. I'm happy with the male sub-bosses and bosses. They just give off a sense of power that no female monster could.

That my friend, you don’t know. Since Mk has never had a female Sub-boss you cant actually compare the past males with anything new.

Sub-Zero_7th Wrote: Female Sub-boss? Sure. I think that'd be cool as long as it's some kind of mythological type thing and stuff like that. Giant Sea Octopus? Well...just plain no... Interesting ideas queve, my friend, but I wouldn't want MK to have some kind of giant sea octopus type sub-boss, especially for MK Deception.

Thanks! But hey, in no way the octopus is a plain creature. Picturing this monster in the game, actually makes her one of the most detailed and powerful things that could ever be done.

RasAlGhul Wrote: please no, a boss like that would be an enough good reason for me not to buy the game

Really??? That’s too bad

EvilGranny Wrote: If Ursula was the sub boss in MK:D , and she talked trash and all , I would instantly love this MK more than any other MK. Ursula ROCKS ! She's the best character Disney has ever created !!! You better believe she'd kick ass !! A female sub boss would be sooooooooo cool. I love this idea a lot.

Excellent. Im glad you liked this idea too. Just picture that deadly bitch revamped in Mk style in a so powerful and deadly way.

salbeinit Wrote: i have to disagree here my reasons: first of all when somebody mentions a female subboss i think: final fantasy or a shoujo anime mk doesnt need a female sub boss it needs ass kicking subbosses it doesnt matter the genre. whats the diference between a woman and a man almost nothing so i dont thing the change its necesary. is almost a rule that females in videogames are good looking so its almost sure that she will given with a lot of mystical abilities. and that doesnt fit in mk cuz the subbosses always fight without much technique and thats what make em special. about the octopus thing i dont like it, for one reason: Ursula, the char has to be extremly bad ass to erase from the gamers mind that there is a character like that one in the little mermaid. or maybe she can have the tentacles instead of hands cuz instead of feets is really stupid.(because i've seen ursula before maybe).

Omg :

1o Its not a good reason not to have a female just because those 2 games make you think about it.

2o Yeah, it needs an ass kicking subboss, the genre doesn’t matter much but the change would be excellent.

3o It is. The change would be something new and fresh. Something Excellent and amazing that we need.

4o And that rule was poorly invented by who??? Excuse me but there is no rule in what concerns characters, and specially no rule about females having to be pretty and using mystical abilities.

The sub.boss has “the right” to look like one ugly evil bitch and even more right to have its own set of moves, magical, mystique, or just plain and simple. There is no rule.

5o Ah now it makes sense you gave all those reasons. Anyway, something along the lines of Ursula can be easily changed and improved greatly if you have imagination.

I'm sorry, I still say no, just plain no.

I really hope that the MK team doesn't take your idea of having a Fish broad for a sub-boss. I don't think it would ruin the game by any means but it would definitely be a shit stain on it.

Nothing personal against you, I just hate the idea.

TheTinMan2005 Wrote: I'm sorry, I still say no, just plain no. I really hope that the MK team doesn't take your idea of having a Fish broad for a sub-boss. I don't think it would ruin the game by any means but it would definitely be a shit stain on it. Nothing personal against you, I just hate the idea.

I respect that.

well mileena is already ugly.. maybe when u face her before the dragon king the infused power makes her grow tenticles and what not.. she might have 1 long tenticle already..

queve Wrote: The sub.boss has “the right” to look like one ugly evil bitch and even more right to have its own set of moves, magical, mystique, or just plain and simple.

You guys like women with tentacles too much :X
*shivers*

First, I'll say that I have absolutely NO problem with having a female sub-boss. That being said:

I'm going to say no to a Giant Octopus creature (Though, Ty, you made a very kickass Concept!! Props for that!)

The thing is..I love the SHOKANS..they have ever been a staple in MK as sub-bosses. I would like to see a BRAND NEW one for the the new game....One bigger than Kintaro. And if she is female, so much the better. I wouldn't mind at all.

I finally updated the sketch of the Octopus monster.

It was done fast, I know its not my best work. Notice her 2 style of WEAPONS in 4 tentacles.

2 style of metal-spiked balls.
2 Style of knifes
4 normalwhip tentacles.

Thanks to danadbab for helping me with the upload issues.

any time q.. nice drawing.. thats alot better then that disney lady..

queve Wrote: I finally updated the sketch of the Octopus monster. It was done fast, I know its not my best work. Notice her 2 style of WEAPONS in 4 tentacles. 2 style of metal-spiked balls. 2 Style of knifes 4 normalwhip tentacles. Thanks to danadbab for helping me with the upload issues.

Awesome new pic! I like the spiked balls you added. you added knives, like the blades I mentioned in my design. Nice!

That is a much better image of how this character would look. Now remove the Ursula pics!

This thread seems to be getting a lot of responses, so heres my take..

First off, an octopus. How the h...i mean...it's an octopus! I'm sorry, but no matter how evil, an octopus is just a terrible terrible idea for a MK game. I'd rather a giant tree gnome...really, i would.

As far as a female sub-boss goes. It sounds like a bad idea. Theres no need to call anybody chauvinist or sexist or anything like that just because we're males, and don't think females should own us.
Theres just no way i could take a female sub-boss seriously. I want my sub-boss to be an emotionless killer, a profile that fits males more than females. Men just have more generic qualities than woman, because woman are stereotypically more compassionate than men.
I'd much rather have rice than noodles, does this make me a noodle-ist? or maybe a rice chauvinist? No, it just means i prefer rice.

Females are pretty much always portrayed in fighting games as sexy or cutsey anyway. Even Sheeva was given a skimpy outfit which she was almost falling out of. I don't want to be wondering whether the sub-boss i'm fighting is going to kick my ass or offer me oral sex.

Bottom line: Men are more intimidating, and naturally stronger than woman. Thats just how it is. If the only way you can deal with those facts is by calling me sexist or a "male chuavinist", then so be it.

Wow thats way better then those other pics. Nice sketch.

Just one thing I highly doubt a Octopus Demon would fit in MK. I just find it stupid. Maybe a strong female but octopus no!!!

I was a little wary there, with just the Ursula pics, but after seeing your illustration, I like the idea!

I definately think there should me a female sub-boss. The updated female octopus sub-boss looks great, but I dont know if it would fit with MK. But the idea of a female sub-boss is good though.

That female octupus sub boss drawing is awesome Queve! As I said before, I love this idea. You should submit it to the MKO fan art section.

well tell me how many ugly females characters have you found in a videogame?

salbeinit Wrote: well tell me how many ugly females characters have you found in a videogame?

well theres that fat,ugly, goblin lady from Onimusha 2 (the one with the Umbralla), and theres Lisa from Resident Evil remake, and theres the final boss from Silent Hill 3, oh and also theres the "Woman in the Box" from fatal frame 2

There is something nasty sticking out her @$$... *cough dildo *

krackerjack Wrote: This thread seems to be getting a lot of responses, so heres my take.. First off, an octopus. How the h...i mean...it's an octopus! I'm sorry, but no matter how evil, an octopus is just a terrible terrible idea for a MK game. I'd rather a giant tree gnome...really, i would. As far as a female sub-boss goes. It sounds like a bad idea. Theres no need to call anybody chauvinist or sexist or anything like that just because we're males, and don't think females should own us. Theres just no way i could take a female sub-boss seriously. I want my sub-boss to be an emotionless killer, a profile that fits males more than females. Men just have more generic qualities than woman, because woman are stereotypically more compassionate than men. I'd much rather have rice than noodles, does this make me a noodle-ist? or maybe a rice chauvinist? No, it just means i prefer rice. Females are pretty much always portrayed in fighting games as sexy or cutsey anyway. Even Sheeva was given a skimpy outfit which she was almost falling out of. I don't want to be wondering whether the sub-boss i'm fighting is going to kick my ass or offer me oral sex. Bottom line: Men are more intimidating, and naturally stronger than woman. Thats just how it is. If the only way you can deal with those facts is by calling me sexist or a "male chuavinist", then so be it.

Since your response was actually explained well with maturity, I won’t take your words in the wrong direction.

However, you can’t actually say that a female Sub-boss would never be as strong or intimidating then a male until we get one, and THAT is a fact.

You say you can’t take a female sub-boss seriously, but you can take a male with the qualities you listed. Well, what if the next female sub-boss managed to impress you with even greater power and qualities then any male would? Exactly. You can’t reply with a certain and accurate response since you have never seen one as brutal, but you can take the possibility.

I bet if they managed to come up with something huge and really powerful you would change your mind about the whole situation of males being stronger/better then females. But of course, you cant view this from my perspective.

Females don’t have to be pretty in everything to be accepted in a video game. Libra gave perfect examples.

Raiden_is_god Wrote: Wow thats way better then those other pics. Nice sketch. Just one thing I highly doubt a Octopus Demon would fit in MK. I just find it stupid. Maybe a strong female but octopus no!!!

Thank you bro! I’m glad you liked it. But hey, after vampires, anything can fit Mk.

danadbab Wrote: any time q.. nice drawing.. thats alot better then that disney lady..

Thanks !

tgrant Wrote: Awesome new pick! I like the spiked balls you added. you added knives, like the blades I mentioned in my design. Nice! That is a much better image of how this character would look. Now remove the Ursula pics!

Thank you Tgrant ! I’m glad you liked the drawing picture. Yes, I thought of Gogo when I added those awesome spike balls in her tentacles, the knifes I had also already planned, but I give you props for the ideas you gave! They were excellent.

Kahn91 Wrote: I was a little wary there, with just the Ursula pics, but after seeing your illustration, I like the idea!

I’m glad!!! Thank you.

buterbals113085 Wrote: I definately think there should me a female sub-boss. The updated female octopus sub-boss looks great, but I dont know if it would fit with MK. But the idea of a female sub-boss is good though.

Thanks buter, and trust me, it fits well the game. Just think about an extinct race of onis/sea creatures/mutants that survived in a very low number in the depths of Outworld. The Dragon king has called her for assistance, promising her people a homeland where to reside and spread their evil.

ultimateryu Wrote: That female octupus sub boss drawing is awesome Queve! As I said before, I love this idea. You should submit it to the MKO fan art section.

Thank you dude! Im very glad you liked it!

Xtreme Wrote: There is something nasty sticking out her @$$... *cough dildo *

A gigantic black penis? No. Its actually the bird-like thing the octopus uses to eat its prey. You will have to wait for a future move-list of pics I made for this character.

Actually Queve, that I do know, based on Sheeva and other fighting games/games in general.

Sorry but Sheeva never gave off as much power as Goro or Kintaro. Yes Goro and Kintaro were sub-bosses while Sheeva wasn't, but they were both four armed beast and she could have easily been a sub-boss. But Goro and Kintaro are both bigger and meaner looking than Sheeva ever was, and sorry but the titts and ass take away from that power feel. Females have a more sex appeal no matter what.

Also other female sub-bosses/bosses never gave me any sense of power like male sub-bosses/bosses have. Cause whatever you make the sub-boss/boss look like, it would look bigger and meaner as a male. A male's chest is wider then a females, the arms are bigger, the overall body mass is bigger, females have two bigger things(titts and asses) which do not have anything to do with raw power/strength.

Trust me, I don't say stuff without reasoning. I know what I'm taking about.

CMETH Wrote: Actually Queve, that I do know, based on Sheeva and other fighting games/games in general. Sorry but Sheeva never gave off as much power as Goro or Kintaro. Yes Goro and Kintaro were sub-bosses while Sheeva wasn't, but they were both four armed beast and she could have easily been a sub-boss. But Goro and Kintaro are both bigger and meaner looking than Sheeva ever was, and sorry but the titts and ass take away from that power feel. Females have a more sex appeal no matter what. Also other female sub-bosses/bosses never gave me any sense of power like male sub-bosses/bosses have. Cause whatever you make the sub-boss/boss look like, it would look bigger and meaner as a male. A male's chest is wider then a females, the arms are bigger, the overall body mass is bigger, females have two bigger things(titts and asses) which do not have anything to do with raw power/strength. Trust me, I don't say stuff without reasoning. I know what I'm taking about.

Sheeva is not the best example you could use. There are simply TOO many differences between her character and the ones of Goro and Kintaro.

And the most important one is: She was never planned as a SUB-BOSS. If she would had been planned, she would had been incredibly different, bigger, larger, etc.

You cant compare her to the other shokans who were actually planned as big sub-bosses of great power, while Sheeva is nothing but a playable normal character.

And if we are talking about a monstrous female here, she can very well have all those male attributes you just gave.

Body mass can easily be given to any female, big muscle, etc.

You see?

queve Wrote: CMETH Wrote: Actually Queve, that I do know, based on Sheeva and other fighting games/games in general. Sorry but Sheeva never gave off as much power as Goro or Kintaro. Yes Goro and Kintaro were sub-bosses while Sheeva wasn't, but they were both four armed beast and she could have easily been a sub-boss. But Goro and Kintaro are both bigger and meaner looking than Sheeva ever was, and sorry but the titts and ass take away from that power feel. Females have a more sex appeal no matter what. Also other female sub-bosses/bosses never gave me any sense of power like male sub-bosses/bosses have. Cause whatever you make the sub-boss/boss look like, it would look bigger and meaner as a male. A male's chest is wider then a females, the arms are bigger, the overall body mass is bigger, females have two bigger things(titts and asses) which do not have anything to do with raw power/strength. Trust me, I don't say stuff without reasoning. I know what I'm taking about. Sheeva is not the best example you could use. There are simply TOO many differences between her character and the ones of Goro and Kintaro. And the most important one is: She was never planned as a SUB-BOSS. If she would had been planned, she would had been incredibly different, bigger, larger, etc. You cant compare her to the other shokans who were actually planned as big sub-bosses of great power, while Sheeva is nothing but a playable normal character. And if we are talking about a monstrous female here, she can very well have all those male attributes you just gave. Body mass can easily be given to any female, big muscle, etc. You see?

Dude, Sheeva was big and was sub-boss material, just her moves weren't. I can clearly use her as an example, it's whether you want to believe it or not.

Also adding to much muscles to a female is just taking away what you want, a female. Sheeva had everything right for a female sub-boss. She had the right amount of muscles, was mean looking, looked just like Goro, except she was a bit thiner since females are.

Hey, it's kool you want a female sub-boss, but a male could always give off more power look/sense whether you like it or not.

CMETH Wrote: Dude, Sheeva was big and was sub-boss material, just her moves weren't. I can clearly use her as an example, it's whether you want to believe it or not. Also adding to much muscles to a female is just taking away what you want, a female. Sheeva had everything right for a female sub-boss. She had the right amount of muscles, was mean looking, looked just like Goro, except she was a bit thiner since females are. Hey, it's kool you want a female sub-boss, but a male could always give off more power look/sense whether you like it or not.

Chill, don’t get upset.

Sheeva is by no means a good example, at all. Weather you want to believe it or not. She didn’t have the aspect of someone powerful enough to be considered a monstrous sub-boss.

She was just another one of the normal characters. Not even tall enough! Her aspect was that of the little people of Shokans, not one warrior like Goro. Now, revamp Sheeva and turn her into a gigantic monstrous creature and add incredibly powerful moves and size snd you will see.

But as for now, Sheeva cant seriously be taken as an example in this discussion. Basically, you are just saying males will always be better and have more potential then females, when we have never seen a perfect example of sub-boss female to actually compare the 2.

I will respect that opinion then, because I don’t want my thread to turn into any kind of war. Peace.