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lastfighter89 Wrote:
first of for what i Know batman does not have definite personaloty troughout the passage between comics and media:for what i remember(i might be wrong tough) in some stuff Batman is showed like a martial artitsist,which can kill if pushed to extreme limits,is dark,a bit mad(not a psycho,but almost).In other media he seems less dark and more kind-hearted,solar,classic hero attitude and most imporant he seems less a fighter and more a gadget guy.
He have a dark appearance,dark attitude but it's not very different from the "classic hero" aka Superman.
Instead look at V...
he is hero and anti-hero,he is always the same:a poet,a magician,a philosopher,lover of freedom and anarchy but he is also a martial artist,a fighter at 360 degrees,he seems to be determinated,he have only a goal in his mission.He s not the generic hero guy"FIGHT AGAINST CRIME",V FIGHTS AGAINST POLITICS!
This is the huge difference:Batman in is way is stereotypical(maybe because he is one of the older heroes of the comic book history) V is the originality personification.
He also refers to an ancient historical fact,the Guy Fawks plot,Batman is merely created by fantasy(which there is nothing worng).
also the universe of V is mature,darker even more than the batman one.
of course i think you don't get the point:we just want V,ì in the game and he fits better than a lot of other DC heroes guys(like aquaman...bleah,green arrow,etc).Of course Btaman is the most iconic character,so Batman presence is out of discussion.
but with all the respect DC is plenty of idiotical heroes,and V would fit better than them in the game.
of course,being realistical,i doubt V will make the cut,even tough it will be a huge add to the game and it could improve the sellings of the game,which i doubt,right now,are expected to be high.
Mick-Lucifer Wrote:
Out of interest, what makes people think V is such a great fit for Mortal Kombat, other than seeing him twirl knives in a movie?
He's a very insular character to his own story. Is specifically motivated by events derived from that story, even if there is a much broader message, and he has far fewer connections with the fantastic qualities of MK universe than the DC heroes and villains.
As simple a response as issues of ownership an branding distinctions are; I'd put the isolation of the character and story down to good writing and common sense, more than branding.
Martial artists are a dime-a-dozen in the DC Universe; killers, good and bad, are on hand for selection, with a variety of methods and weapons; and for a Shadow-inspired anti-establishment figure, one need look no further than Batman, martial arts and urban warfare included.
With the conceptual argument weighted in favour of not soiling the V character; what exactly makes him so much better a choice than the pantheon of actual DC Universe properties?...
DarklenElveren Wrote:
Yeah, its too bad about V, because he would definately fit well.
Yeah, its too bad about V, because he would definately fit well.
Out of interest, what makes people think V is such a great fit for Mortal Kombat, other than seeing him twirl knives in a movie?
He's a very insular character to his own story. Is specifically motivated by events derived from that story, even if there is a much broader message, and he has far fewer connections with the fantastic qualities of MK universe than the DC heroes and villains.
As simple a response as issues of ownership an branding distinctions are; I'd put the isolation of the character and story down to good writing and common sense, more than branding.
Martial artists are a dime-a-dozen in the DC Universe; killers, good and bad, are on hand for selection, with a variety of methods and weapons; and for a Shadow-inspired anti-establishment figure, one need look no further than Batman, martial arts and urban warfare included.
With the conceptual argument weighted in favour of not soiling the V character; what exactly makes him so much better a choice than the pantheon of actual DC Universe properties?...
first of for what i Know batman does not have definite personaloty troughout the passage between comics and media:for what i remember(i might be wrong tough) in some stuff Batman is showed like a martial artitsist,which can kill if pushed to extreme limits,is dark,a bit mad(not a psycho,but almost).In other media he seems less dark and more kind-hearted,solar,classic hero attitude and most imporant he seems less a fighter and more a gadget guy.
He have a dark appearance,dark attitude but it's not very different from the "classic hero" aka Superman.
Instead look at V...
he is hero and anti-hero,he is always the same:a poet,a magician,a philosopher,lover of freedom and anarchy but he is also a martial artist,a fighter at 360 degrees,he seems to be determinated,he have only a goal in his mission.He s not the generic hero guy"FIGHT AGAINST CRIME",V FIGHTS AGAINST POLITICS!
This is the huge difference:Batman in is way is stereotypical(maybe because he is one of the older heroes of the comic book history) V is the originality personification.
He also refers to an ancient historical fact,the Guy Fawks plot,Batman is merely created by fantasy(which there is nothing worng).
also the universe of V is mature,darker even more than the batman one.
of course i think you don't get the point:we just want V,ì in the game and he fits better than a lot of other DC heroes guys(like aquaman...bleah,green arrow,etc).Of course Btaman is the most iconic character,so Batman presence is out of discussion.
but with all the respect DC is plenty of idiotical heroes,and V would fit better than them in the game.
of course,being realistical,i doubt V will make the cut,even tough it will be a huge add to the game and it could improve the sellings of the game,which i doubt,right now,are expected to be high.
Yes, thank you ^ and to add to that V would just be a cool character in MK. I mean, first of all even though I disagree with the "MK fans that hate DC's JL" I'm sure or would bet anything that someone like V would appeal more to "those fans" as oppose to DC JL characters..
Secondly, V can actually fight very well via martial arts where some JL people are more "rely on their powers" and can't fight in a martial arts fashion, there are exceptions like the more human characters Batman, Azrael, Robin, GA, Question etc but let's face it, most if not all JL have super powers and use that as their main way of fighting someone.
Although, I disagree with last on the idiotic heroes view, I see his view as far as V is concerned.
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i have to be more specific:with the word idiotic character i didn't want to be offensive i just used the term IDIOTICAL in the good meaning of thw word.
it's from ancient greek and means "common citizen"(read:mediocre guy).
with the word idiot so i mean the common super hero,not a idiot in the true meaning of the word.
so the only idiot heroes out there are Super Man and Aquaman,i respect infinitely Batman & co.
V would be more useful in terms of selling and appeal,but again he have 1% of making the cut.
it's from ancient greek and means "common citizen"(read:mediocre guy).
with the word idiot so i mean the common super hero,not a idiot in the true meaning of the word.
so the only idiot heroes out there are Super Man and Aquaman,i respect infinitely Batman & co.
V would be more useful in terms of selling and appeal,but again he have 1% of making the cut.
SlapnutsV1 Wrote:
V's creator wasn't too happy a V For Vendetta movie was made, if I recall correctly.
I doubt he allows his character to be entered in a video game.
V's creator wasn't too happy a V For Vendetta movie was made, if I recall correctly.
I doubt he allows his character to be entered in a video game.
Alan Moore isn't happy with any adaptation of anything he does... EVER. It's just what he does.
They actually asked him to work on the movie with them before it was made, and he refused.
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Wow...what an idea man. that would be sick
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lastfighter89 Wrote:
i have to be more specific:with the word idiotic character i didn't want to be offensive i just used the term IDIOTICAL in the good meaning of thw word.
it's from ancient greek and means "common citizen"(read:mediocre guy).
with the word idiot so i mean the common super hero,not a idiot in the true meaning of the word.
so the only idiot heroes out there are Super Man and Aquaman,i respect infinitely Batman & co.
V would be more useful in terms of selling and appeal,but again he have 1% of making the cut.
i have to be more specific:with the word idiotic character i didn't want to be offensive i just used the term IDIOTICAL in the good meaning of thw word.
it's from ancient greek and means "common citizen"(read:mediocre guy).
with the word idiot so i mean the common super hero,not a idiot in the true meaning of the word.
so the only idiot heroes out there are Super Man and Aquaman,i respect infinitely Batman & co.
V would be more useful in terms of selling and appeal,but again he have 1% of making the cut.
Ohh it's no problem man, lol. I don't feel Superman is an idiot or bad though but I respect your view. Most people usually feel one way or the other when it comes to Superman. You either love him, or hate him. lol there's no middleground with Superman.
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"Out of interest, what makes people think V is such a great fit for Mortal Kombat, other than seeing him twirl knives in a movie?"
Well, I know when I say he fits in well, I'm talking about in comparison to the project. He fits better with MK than a great deal of the other DC characters.
Well, I know when I say he fits in well, I'm talking about in comparison to the project. He fits better with MK than a great deal of the other DC characters.
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lastfighter89 Wrote:
first of for what i Know batman does not have definite personaloty troughout the passage between comics and media:for what i remember(i might be wrong tough) in some stuff Batman is showed like a martial artitsist,which can kill if pushed to extreme limits,is dark,a bit mad(not a psycho,but almost).In other media he seems less dark and more kind-hearted,solar,classic hero attitude and most imporant he seems less a fighter and more a gadget guy.
He have a dark appearance,dark attitude but it's not very different from the "classic hero" aka Superman.
first of for what i Know batman does not have definite personaloty troughout the passage between comics and media:for what i remember(i might be wrong tough) in some stuff Batman is showed like a martial artitsist,which can kill if pushed to extreme limits,is dark,a bit mad(not a psycho,but almost).In other media he seems less dark and more kind-hearted,solar,classic hero attitude and most imporant he seems less a fighter and more a gadget guy.
He have a dark appearance,dark attitude but it's not very different from the "classic hero" aka Superman.
Ah, I guess I don't always appreciate the longevity of that mainstream exposure. I might be taking the success of Batman Begins for granted a bit too much, yeah.
Because you're definitely right.
Killing's almost universally off the table, but he's definitely as strong a personality as he is a fighter (in the comics, and arguably at the best distillation of the character).
Although, I think 'darkness' as a concept is distracting, and bandied about without any real substance. Which, ironically, is probably suitable anyway, given the shallow qualities of MK's "darkness," but I digress...
lastfighter89 Wrote:
he is hero and anti-hero,he is always the same:a poet,a magician,a philosopher,lover of freedom and anarchy but he is also a martial artist,a fighter at 360 degrees,he seems to be determinated,he have only a goal in his mission.He s not the generic hero guy"FIGHT AGAINST CRIME",V FIGHTS AGAINST POLITICS!
he is hero and anti-hero,he is always the same:a poet,a magician,a philosopher,lover of freedom and anarchy but he is also a martial artist,a fighter at 360 degrees,he seems to be determinated,he have only a goal in his mission.He s not the generic hero guy"FIGHT AGAINST CRIME",V FIGHTS AGAINST POLITICS!
With the exception of specifics of motivation, you can find a lot of that in superheroes. Particularly DC who are well recognised, accurately or not, for their prominent superheroes without super powers... Batman, Nightwing, Green Arrow, Blue Beetle, The Question, Catwoman, etc...
I wouldn't like to undermine the philosophy of Batman's motivation, either.
The weight and meaning of his origin is lost over most translations, but he's a very classically tragic figure, whose beginning never fades.
The murder of his parents is regularly repeated in stories because it's constantly relevant to the character. This is the moment where Bruce Wayne becomes dedicated to an ideal that he will never see realised.
He's much less about stopping colourful supervillains, although that does work fine if that's where the character has to go, but at it's heart, Batman is a similarly emotionally broken individual (to V) whose goals are just much less specific.
V can specifically take his war to those who wronged him and rest when the message is spread, but Batman is denied that. So his quest goes indefinitely, without satisfaction, and every disappointment and responsibility beyond his parents' deaths snowballs that tragedy.
lastfighter89 Wrote:
This is the huge difference:Batman in is way is stereotypical(maybe because he is one of the older heroes of the comic book history) V is the originality personification.
He also refers to an ancient historical fact,the Guy Fawks plot,Batman is merely created by fantasy(which there is nothing worng).
also the universe of V is mature,darker even more than the batman one.
This is the huge difference:Batman in is way is stereotypical(maybe because he is one of the older heroes of the comic book history) V is the originality personification.
He also refers to an ancient historical fact,the Guy Fawks plot,Batman is merely created by fantasy(which there is nothing worng).
also the universe of V is mature,darker even more than the batman one.
Batman and V, as characters, are both very specifically inspired by their prominent pulp predecessor, The Shadow. So while they're both representations of the modern superhero form, they come from very similar points in history.
Within the fiction, depending on your incarnation, Bruce Wayne's Guy Fawkes could be Zorro... Another political revolutionary who directly inspires the personification of a new character with a new message.
I suppose it's a crutch in this example, but I would strongly object to the notion that V for Vendetta is exclusively more mature than Batman's universe. Seventy years of Batman stories have just managed to encompass far more subject material than twelve serialized issues of V's adventures.
Of course, this is arguably another point against V.
That maturity is exactly why V shouldn't be a part of the MK universe, because MK is anything but mature, and licensing very specifically undermines the solidarity of V for Vendetta and it's concept and literature.
Batman, as clearly described here, has spent seven decades readily crossing over into other mediums and interpretations. He is ripe for a Mortal Kombat crossover and is such a force of fiction that he cannot be compromised by such a decision. (Not that that really matters from the perspective we're talking about...)
lastfighter89 Wrote:
of course,being realistical,i doubt V will make the cut,even tough it will be a huge add to the game and it could improve the sellings of the game,which i doubt,right now,are expected to be high.
of course,being realistical,i doubt V will make the cut,even tough it will be a huge add to the game and it could improve the sellings of the game,which i doubt,right now,are expected to be high.
Brightly coloured characters with silly names and gimmick powers... MK seems right at home to me with Aquaman, Green Arrow, and a variety of other heroes who might be up against Reptile, Scorpion, and Sub-Zero...
I suppose I can understand the asthetic appeal of the character, but it still strikes me that the weight of argument is strongly opposed to V appearing in the game. Even some of your points support that.
This definitely turned into an interesting conversation, but it's hard not to come out of it feeling cynical about the appeal of a character most people have probably seen in a movie that appealed as edgy or a little bit rebellious to an adolsecent audience.
Which is probably not very fair of me, but it strikes me as a very sophmoric logic to believe V has any validity in an MK game, let alone over the DC heroes.
mkflegend Wrote:Secondly, V can actually fight very well via martial arts where some JL people are more "rely on their powers" and...
Characters who are differentiated by super powers more than their fighting abilities. Hmmm, if this were 1997, I'd laugh very hard at you for, oh, say... five games worth?
TheAdder Wrote:
Alan Moore isn't happy with any adaptation of anything he does... EVER. It's just what he does.
They actually asked him to work on the movie with them before it was made, and he refused.
Alan Moore isn't happy with any adaptation of anything he does... EVER. It's just what he does.
They actually asked him to work on the movie with them before it was made, and he refused.
And object and distance as he may, he always signs off on them.
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This is 2008 and You seem to laugh at everyone anyway lol.
I don't think you understood what I meant, but whatever...lol

I don't think you understood what I meant, but whatever...lol
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mkflegend Wrote:
This is 2008 and You seem to laugh at everyone anyway lol.
I don't think you understood what I meant, but whatever...
This is 2008 and You seem to laugh at everyone anyway lol.
I don't think you understood what I meant, but whatever...
... You have absolutely no scope for context...
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Mick-Lucifer Wrote:
... You have absolutely no scope for context...
mkflegend Wrote:
This is 2008 and You seem to laugh at everyone anyway lol.
I don't think you understood what I meant, but whatever...
This is 2008 and You seem to laugh at everyone anyway lol.
I don't think you understood what I meant, but whatever...
... You have absolutely no scope for context...
You have no openmind....
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mkflegend Wrote:
You have no openmind....
You have no openmind....

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The treated wax is denser than cool water, but not warm, so it bounces back and forth between the top and bottom. If it cooled it would float to the top, and if it accepted it was warm, and should do as warm does, it would sink unnoticed to the bottom.
I suppose it wouldn't be nearly as colourful, but it would be a risk I'd be willing to take. Floating globs bouncing incessently have a way of getting boring, bordering on downright annoying.
I imagine V came across his share of lava lamps... For his Shadow Gallery, I mean.
I suppose it wouldn't be nearly as colourful, but it would be a risk I'd be willing to take. Floating globs bouncing incessently have a way of getting boring, bordering on downright annoying.

I imagine V came across his share of lava lamps... For his Shadow Gallery, I mean.
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That was a cool movie, looked just like Gothworld
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