XiahouDun84 Wrote: Looking back, I notice a lot of people say Sonya's story the best because she's so original. But I read comics, and characters like Sonya, the "tough sarcastic women who don't take shit from anybody," are a dime a dozen. Many of which, came before Sonya and have much more depth. And I think that's why I never got into Sonya's character. She's just a cliche to me. Kitana on the other hand; sure there have been plenty of "renegade princesses trying to save the world," but few to none of them are like Kitana. IMO, the characters with the most depth are Kitana and Mileena.

I couldn't agree more!

wyndrain Wrote: I think I'll have some sympathy for Kitana when Mileena eats her up. Or maybe when Sindel betrays her!

Sympathy?

I highly doubt an animated character needs your sympathy .. lol

queve Wrote: Sonya’s attitude is bad-ass! It’s awesome to see her like that and its fun to read the comic. It makes you feel her character. She has a true personality. Kitana kind a bores you with her personality, she is just a princess that talks nice with modest words...typical.

I agree!!! If I had to choose, my pick would be Sonya. She is like...better in everything! Kitana is just another female character with nothing special anymore.

JoRdAnMaN Wrote: Wow i feel like i just read a book lol. U made sum really good points thought and i do think though u make sum incorrect ones to. Like how u said that Kitanas costume looked like Sindels, Tanyas, and Li Meis. The only other char she really looked like was Jade and Mileena. And u said summtin about her and the other females going around half naked, well i dont know about u but i love seeing them half naked, but hey thats just my option. As for Sonya u said everything that anyone has ever had to say about her. But still i couldnt really choose who i would want to come back. Real good job though

Hey dude!

Actually, Kitanas costume is just like Tanyas, Mileenas and Jades. Also, my POINT was that all those females wear exactly the same style. Half naked, nothing original. Like in swimsuits.

Ashrah looks like finally we will see someone different, like Sonya, and not half naked.

BTW, Sonya has been voted Favorite again. There were more Sonya fans here then Kitanas.

BTW, thanks to everyone that told me I did a good job or nice thread!!!

Thanks!

Kitana's always been my favorite character, so comparing her to Sonya's hardly fair. Sonya is a product of her time - the special forces, butch and tough chick that was all the rage in the early 90s, with the 'bad-girl' fad hitting everything from video games to comic books.

Sonya's a special forces officer, which in itself is ludicrous, as there are no women in any special forces (with the possible exception of Delta Force, and the gov't ain't sayin :). So what?

Kitana's a Princess from another world. She's thousands of years old, has a rich backstory of politics and birthright, and fights for causes much more varied than "missing a member of my team."

Seriously, how can you compare the two??

Sonya's fine, but she ain't nothing compared to the mystique that is Kitana. Where Sonya is hard, Kitana is soft; where Sonya is impulsive, Kitana is calculating. Kitana is so much richer a character than Sonya it's a joke to compare the two.

Granted, Kitana has been somewhat squandered as of late, but Deception looks set to change that in a big way; with both Mileena and Sindel returning to the center stage, I can't imagine Kitana being far off... and you can bet she's returning with a vengeance.

Oh, right... Sonya's got to rescue somebody again or fight *yet again* for Earthrealm... yadda yadda ;)

OmegaSupreme Wrote: Kitana's always been my favorite character, so comparing her to Sonya's hardly fair. Sonya is a product of her time - the special forces, butch and tough chick that was all the rage in the early 90s, with the 'bad-girl' fad hitting everything from video games to comic books. Sonya's a special forces officer, which in itself is ludicrous, as there are no women in any special forces (with the possible exception of Delta Force, and the gov't ain't sayin :). So what? Kitana's a Princess from another world. She's thousands of years old, has a rich backstory of politics and birthright, and fights for causes much more varied than "missing a member of my team." Seriously, how can you compare the two?? Sonya's fine, but she ain't nothing compared to the mystique that is Kitana. Where Sonya is hard, Kitana is soft; where Sonya is impulsive, Kitana is calculating. Kitana is so much richer a character than Sonya it's a joke to compare the two. Granted, Kitana has been somewhat squandered as of late, but Deception looks set to change that in a big way; with both Mileena and Sindel returning to the center stage, I can't imagine Kitana being far off... and you can bet she's returning with a vengeance. Oh, right... Sonya's got to rescue somebody again or fight *yet again* for Earthrealm... yadda yadda ;)

I agree!!! It’s hardly fair and almost stupid to compare these characters. Isn’t it obvious Kitana has nothing special to compete against Sonya?? And this comes from someone who was once a Kitana fan!

You are saying Sonya’s story is the same thing. Well, tell me, what has been Kitanas SO WONDERFUL story??? Oh!! I remember!!!, Kitana DOES fight for MORE VARIED Causes

-MK2, Kill Mileena.
-MKU, She’s back??? Kill Mileena and warn my mother.
-MKG, WHAT? You are still here! Kill Mileena.
-MKDA, omg, save my people and....what else??

WOW!!!!!! I mean, isn’t that just .WOW. Look, I loved Kitana, her steel fans are awesome, but like you said it is not fair to compare them. Kitana is not original, the typical princess who fights in war, etc.

Sonya tough attitude is awesome! And actually, the fact that she is in the SF forces makes her character feel stronger and full of power. And for you to know, there are many teams that include woman, like the ones you mentioned, and besides, many great woman have fought for their countries in war, so what makes you think its silly for Sonya to be in the SF??

Politics???....okkk.

BTW, the mystique of Kitana was lost 10,000 years ago (lol). What mystique can you tell me? She was cool as an assassin back in Mk2, but that was it.

And yes, Kitana might be back for vengeance in MkD, maybe she will kill Mileena or fight her again....who knows!!?

Sonya fighting to save the world and rescuing her team is so much better then the typical boring princess. But hey, this is just MY opinion.

Both of their stories are quite lacking actually but I feel that Kitana's storyline is more on the bland side than Sonya's storyline is.

Maybe there should be some sort of storyline development where Kitana slowly goes over to....the dark side (plays dramatic, shocking music)

I think that in terms of gameplay, Sonya is probably the superior character. But when it comes to storyline, you have to hand it to Kitana.

Hers is a rich story that sort of makes you root for her, as she's constantly overcoming things- defeating Mileena, escaping Jade and Reptile, regaining Edenia and defending it. She's honourable, but brave, and not at all a pushover.

Though the same can be said about Sonya, the same of the storyline cannot. People are still confused about who Kano killed- was it her partner? Her brother? Her parents? And sure, she's strong, but that can be said of any kombatant. Basically, Sonya is more of a "character" than Kitana. I think she needs to show a softer side to humanize her a bit more.

Quack-Wabbit Wrote: I think that in terms of gameplay, Sonya is probably the superior character. But when it comes to storyline, you have to hand it to Kitana. Hers is a rich story that sort of makes you root for her, as she's constantly overcoming things- defeating Mileena, escaping Jade and Reptile, regaining Edenia and defending it. She's honourable, but brave, and not at all a pushover. Though the same can be said about Sonya, the same of the storyline cannot. People are still confused about who Kano killed- was it her partner? Her brother? Her parents? And sure, she's strong, but that can be said of any kombatant. Basically, Sonya is more of a "character" than Kitana. I think she needs to show a softer side to humanize her a bit more.

I really liked your post. You talked like a human, not like some around.

Anyway, I think Sonya as a "person" is just fine. She does not need to show any "soft" side, or at least, she does not NEED to. SHe is fine the way she is.

yingtwinyang Wrote: You are saying Sonya’s story is the same thing. Well, tell me, what has been Kitanas SO WONDERFUL story??? Oh!! I remember!!!, Kitana DOES fight for MORE VARIED Causes -MK2, Kill Mileena. -MKU, She’s back??? Kill Mileena and warn my mother. -MKG, WHAT? You are still here! Kill Mileena. -MKDA, omg, save my people and....what else?? WOW!!!!!! I mean, isn’t that just .WOW. Look, I loved Kitana, her steel fans are awesome, but like you said it is not fair to compare them.

...as opposed to Sonya's compelling storylines:

MK1- catch Kano and save her team
MK3- still trying to catch Kano and save the world
MK4- trying to catch Jarek (aka Kano-lite)
MK:DA- find Kenshi and Cyrax and guess what, Kano's still around

Thrilling.

yingtwinyang Wrote: Kitana is not original, the typical princess who fights in war, etc.

She's a bit more than that. I thought I made that fairly clear in my posts.
And seriously, it's not like Sonya is not the most original character in the world.

XiahouDun84 Wrote: yingtwinyang Wrote: You are saying Sonya’s story is the same thing. Well, tell me, what has been Kitanas SO WONDERFUL story??? Oh!! I remember!!!, Kitana DOES fight for MORE VARIED Causes -MK2, Kill Mileena. -MKU, She’s back??? Kill Mileena and warn my mother. -MKG, WHAT? You are still here! Kill Mileena. -MKDA, omg, save my people and....what else?? WOW!!!!!! I mean, isn’t that just .WOW. Look, I loved Kitana, her steel fans are awesome, but like you said it is not fair to compare them. ...as opposed to Sonya's compelling storylines: MK1- catch Kano and save her team MK3- still trying to catch Kano and save the world MK4- trying to catch Jarek (aka Kano-lite) MK:DA- find Kenshi and Cyrax and guess what, Kano's still around Thrilling. yingtwinyang Wrote: Kitana is not original, the typical princess who fights in war, etc. She's a bit more than that. I thought I made that fairly clear in my posts. And seriously, it's not like Sonya is not the most original character in the world.

I agree with you XiahouDun84. Thats why I said the 2 negative things about them were their stories.

I think people should stop fighting cause of this.

LOL, BTW, on Mk4 her interest was not Jarek, she was saving the world. She was allied with Jarek to defeat Shinnok, ONLY at the end they ha dthat battle.

In MKDA she was also saving the world, and Kano had nothing to do with her story in that game, it was Mavado, even though none of those were the main element in her story in this game.

Peace

queve Wrote: I agree with you XiahouDun84. Thats why I said the 2 negative things about them were their stories. I think people should stop fighting cause of this. LOL, BTW, on Mk4 her interest was not Jarek, she was saving the world. She was allied with Jarek to defeat Shinnok, ONLY at the end they ha dthat battle. In MKDA she was also saving the world, and Kano had nothing to do with her story in that game, it was Mavado, even though none of those were the main element in her story in this game. Peace

True true.
But I also just want to make a point that there was more to Kitana's stories than what he said too.

I'm not trying to fight anyone. If we're having a debate about charcaters I'm just trying to keep it fair.

XiahouDun84 Wrote: yingtwinyang Wrote: You are saying Sonya’s story is the same thing. Well, tell me, what has been Kitanas SO WONDERFUL story??? Oh!! I remember!!!, Kitana DOES fight for MORE VARIED Causes -MK2, Kill Mileena. -MKU, She’s back??? Kill Mileena and warn my mother. -MKG, WHAT? You are still here! Kill Mileena. -MKDA, omg, save my people and....what else?? WOW!!!!!! I mean, isn’t that just .WOW. Look, I loved Kitana, her steel fans are awesome, but like you said it is not fair to compare them. ...as opposed to Sonya's compelling storylines: MK1- catch Kano and save her team MK3- still trying to catch Kano and save the world MK4- trying to catch Jarek (aka Kano-lite) MK:DA- find Kenshi and Cyrax and guess what, Kano's still around Thrilling. yingtwinyang Wrote: Kitana is not original, the typical princess who fights in war, etc. She's a bit more than that. I thought I made that fairly clear in my posts. And seriously, it's not like Sonya is not the most original character in the world.

I know that. My intention was not to offend but to point out something. I only replied with all those points since what he/she said was kind a false. How can Kitana have more valid causes??? That was my point.

Also, some of the Sonya things you said were wrong, but someone already explained them.

Ok. With Li Mei, Sindel and Mileena back, I actually think Kitana has 1 out of 100 chances to return.

I dont think we will see her in this game.

Oh, Sonya is better BTW, she has more votes.

I agree Sonya is the best of all. But I think Kitana is better then Li Mei.

Sonya's been around longer and is way better than kitana in defending herself.
My Vote goes to Sonya
just hope she's in Deception.

queve Wrote: Both of these characters have only 1 negative thing in common: Old stories that need improvement. I have lately seen many diverse opinions of the fans around here, so I wanted to know your thoughts about these 2 characters with potential. I had made a similar thread about this a long time ago were Sonya was voted as the fans favorite female character, and Frost took the second place. If I had to choose the return of one, I think you know Sonya would definitely be my choice, but first lest analyze why: THE REASONS! ------- ------ SONYA: ------ ------- She is the original chick of the Mk world. She has been around since the first tournament and is by far, the only female to have appeared in all the series (except Mk2, but she still played an important role in the story), and one of the very few characters to actually be in the majority of the games. She is probably the most important earth warrior character after Liu Kang. She is a classic. Sonya’s first appearance was outstanding, she showed her self as a tough female that managed to become the No1 character of that game. Top Tier. She has always returned better then ever, improved in every single way. Her MKDA appearance would mark a very important fate in her character. We had seen the posts of many members who said they had been very disappointed to see her return, but completely changed their minds after playing with her. They realized her potential and how extremely powerful she was, which in fact, marked her character (again) as a Top Tier and the fans fave. Sonya became more popular then before. -------------- HER SPECIAL MOVES are some of the most powerful and unique ones: --------------- MK1: -We have the infamous “Leg Grab” which is clearly a fans favorite, one of the most powerful moves around, very original. -We have her “Ring Toss” which was very cool, nicely done. -We have her “Wave Punch” that was extremely useful in air attacks. MK3: -All the ones mentioned above. (Her Ring Toss was improved with awesome effects) -We have her “Vertical Bicycle Kick” which was an outstanding add! Perfect for air attacks, even better then Liu Kang’s! MK4: -All the ones mentioned above. -We have her “Cartwheel kicks” that were perfect to perform excellent combos. -We have her “Air Leg Grab” which was also good for air attacks and combos. MKDA: Sadly, her best moves were out, but all of us were more then pleased with: -The “Kiss of Death”. This move is simply one of the most powerful specials in this game. Perfect for brutal combos, fast and very original. -Her Fly kick was just good, great for far distance attacks but NOTHING really special. ---------- FATALITIES: ---------- Sonya’s Trade Mark Fatality is definitely her “Kiss of Death”, each Mk game brought it improved in everyway, making it look deadlier then before. What better way to show some sarcasm then killing your victim with a kiss?: MK1: -A fire kiss that was nicely done. The fire and skeleton effect was very cool. MK3: -Again, another Fire kiss that was even better then the first! -But we also had the “Energy Kiss” which was awesome! Imagine that thing in 3D. The effect was very cool. MK4: -A new “Kiss of Death” that made her opponents torso explode. It was good, but NOT her best. -A change, we have a “Leg Grab” fatality that was wicked! Perfectly done. One of my faves. MKDA: -Probably her best “Kiss of Death” fatality. The puking effect of blood and stuff was just awesome. The head smash was not special but fitted ok in the fatality. It was voted as one of the fans favorite fatality, in the game that managed to have the worst fatalities of all time. ------------ HER CONCEPT DESIGN: ------------ Not in one game has she looked the same. She is the only blond, and just like her power, her looks kept getting better and better. She is by far the only female to actually stay “with her pants on” and not walk around half naked. She looks sexy, but decent. -------- ------- KITANA: ------- -------- Kitana made an outstanding appearance in Mk2, many agree that was simply her best game. She came with the look of a mysterious female dressed as an awesome blue ninja. Probably the thing that caught more our attention was her steel fans powers. Simply awesome. Now, Kitana’s true appearances have to be Mk2 and MkDA. Sadly, she was added as a “second choice” character in the other games such as MkU, and MKG. Even though she lacked of power in MKU, she proved her strength in MKG, she was a Top Tier in that game, VERY string. Unfortunately, she was one of the worst in MKDA. ----------- HER SPECIAL MOVES: ----------- MK2: Even though Jade also had her steel fans, Kitana managed to take them as her trademark. -We have her “Fan Throw”, which was simply awesome and deadly. It was even done in air which was perfect for air attacks! One of the best moves. -We have her “Fan Swipe” which was very cool! -We have her “Fan Lift” which was perfect for brutal attacks, especially against Kintaro. -We have her “Wave Punch” I can’t really say anything nice about it since it was just like Sonya’s. MKU: -She only returned with the fan throw, wave punch and fan lift. Nothing new. MKG: -The same. Nothing New. MKDA: Sadly, her best moves were out. -The “Pretty Kick” was actually pretty good. -Her “Fan Lift” was not really useful. --------- FATALITIES: --------- Well, I'm not taking sides, this is just how I see it. Kitana not only took the “wave punch” and “neck brake” grab from Sonya, she also took the “Kiss of Death” name, but still, this is how I see it: MK2: -Definitely her best “Kiss of Death” fatality. A fans favorite. The way the victim exploded and started to grow was perfectly done! The meat, guts and bones were awesome. -“Decapitation”, it was simple but very cool. MKU: -Now, her “Kiss of Death” was not good. It was bad. The way the head started to grow was copied from Kabal (and it didn’t work, even though it made more sense) and she took it. -All “Decapitations” in this game were bad. MKTRILOGY: -Her “Kiss of Death” fatality was changed, it was not as shocking or cool as it was in MK2, but much better then before. -Again, ALL “Decapitations” were bad in this game. MKG: -Now, even though her “Decapitation” was simple and the same as before, it was much better because of the winning pose. It added a cool touch to it. -The “Kiss of Death” was well, the way they made the people look like balloons was bad. MKDA: -Probably her worst fatality. One of the worst in that game, but hey, almost all the fatalities sucked anyway. --------------- HER CONECPT DESIGN LOOK: --------------- Kitana has always looked the same, and even though many dislike that, I LOVE her looks, and in MKDA I was more then happy to see the Long Hair, which was probably the best thing about her. I love her ninja look, but I have to admit it lost its mysterious feeling since MKU. Her best look was Mk2. I have always said this: Kitana has one of the most original looks ever. Sadly though, many disagree with me since, we have the whole “clone” ninja family. Kitana, Jade, Mileena and Tanya all look the same. They wear the same. Probably that’s the negative thing about her look, with so many characters looking just like her, I guess there is nothing really original. And even cool characters that don’t look like her, seem to be just like her cause of the repetitive costumes. Sindel, Sheeva, Sareena, Nitara, Li Mei (alt) and the others mentioned before are just alike, walking around half naked. ------------------------------ --------------------- ------------- So, this is a COMPLETE analysis on these 2 characters. Give your opinion about them, we know both need a story twist, a change there, so, if you have any ideas feel free to share them. If you want to give out your opinion about their special moves, fatalities, looks post here. I also want to point out I love them both, and even though I prefer Sonya, I was fair on the analysis. The things I pointed out about Kitana being almost a “clone” (she has copied many things from many characters) are true and not a reason to start a war.

WOW! This is a really awesome thread!

I agree with just about everything that was said here, but really, can we make comparisons? I hate making comparisons between characters anyway, because they are unique in their own way--stroylines, moves, fatalities, etc. I WILL say, however, that each individual character has his/her own strengths and weaknesses....

I just think both Kitana and Sonya should get all of their classic moves back because isn't it those moves that made them want to play with them in the first place? I hate when characters' moves are removed with each new Mortal Kombat instead of just piling them on and making them more powerful. I mean, imagine playing Kitana with these moves at her disposal: Fan Throw, Fan Swipe, Fan Lift, Square Wave Punch, Pretty Kick. And Sonya with these: Leg Grab, Rings, Square Wave Punch, Bicycle Kick, Cartwheel Kick, Kiss of Death, Flying Kick.

I wish they could somehow implement jumping attacks again so that their air-counter moves would be more useful. Perhaps this is why some feel is weak because 3 of her 4 original moves back in MK2 (Fan Throw in mid-air, Square Wave Punch, Fan Lift) stopped people jumping through the air. And Sonya also had 3 moves MK4 (Air Throw, Bicycle Kick, Square Wave Punch) in that stopped people from jumping. But if there is no jumping, Kitana should definitely have the Fan Throw as a REGULAR MOVE and not just as a weapon-based attack only, and Sonya MUST have the Leg Grab and the Rings!

Space8999

space3999 Wrote: WOW! This is a really awesome thread! I agree with just about everything that was said here, but really, can we make comparisons? I hate making comparisons between characters anyway, because they are unique in their own way--stroylines, moves, fatalities, etc. I WILL say, however, that each individual character has his/her own strengths and weaknesses.... I just think both Kitana and Sonya should get all of their classic moves back because isn't it those moves that made them want to play with them in the first place? I hate when characters' moves are removed with each new Mortal Kombat instead of just piling them on and making them more powerful. I mean, imagine playing Kitana with these moves at her disposal: Fan Throw, Fan Swipe, Fan Lift, Square Wave Punch, Pretty Kick. And Sonya with these: Leg Grab, Rings, Square Wave Punch, Bicycle Kick, Cartwheel Kick, Kiss of Death, Flying Kick. I wish they could somehow implement jumping attacks again so that their air-counter moves would be more useful. Perhaps this is why some feel is weak because 3 of her 4 original moves back in MK2 (Fan Throw in mid-air, Square Wave Punch, Fan Lift) stopped people jumping through the air. And Sonya also had 3 moves MK4 (Air Throw, Bicycle Kick, Square Wave Punch) in that stopped people from jumping. But if there is no jumping, Kitana should definitely have the Fan Throw as a REGULAR MOVE and not just as a weapon-based attack only, and Sonya MUST have the Leg Grab and the Rings! Space8999

I agree with you! They need to have their classic moves back, but Kitana seriously needs new moves. And I dont want her to have the same as Sonyas or someone else.

But something tells me Sonya and Kitana wont be in deception.

zaggot I agree with you! They need to have their classic moves back, but Kitana seriously needs new moves. And I dont want her to have the same as Sonyas or someone else. But something tells me Sonya and Kitana wont be in deception.

Kitana's Pretty Kick is a start, and I liked that little crouching claw-scratching attack in her "Eagle Claw" stlye. She needs lots more moves with her fans! But no Square Wave for her, because it's onya's move. Sonya should have all of her classic moves plus her Kiss of Death move and her Rolling Kick in the Tae Kwon Doe style from Deadly Alliance, which was AWESOME. The Flying Kick should go to another character or just go away altogether.

As far as them being in Deception.....I think with the Red Dragon storyline BEGINNING, Kenshi's return, and evem Kabal's return, Sonya will come back.

As far as Kitana, I would say no because Sindel's back with her Scream move, and if you think about it, Sindel's Scream move is just like what Kitana's Fan Lift move was back in Deadly Alliance. Also, with Mileena back also, it would seem that there would be too many female characters involved in storylines related to each other--Kitana, Mileena, AND Sindel. (And this hasn't happened since UMK3 when Kitana, Mileena, Sindel, and Jade were ALL involved together in some way.) I say this because the female cast never dominates like the male cast does anyway (there were 5 in Deadly Alliance compared to the other 16 male characters--19 counting Moloch, Blaze, and Mokap).

What do you think?

Space3999

I also like Li Mei, but i dont think she is better then Kitana. She probnably has a BETTER story and special moves and styles but still, I seem to like Kitana more.

I always loved the fans.

We've spent all this time debating Sonya and Kitana and now we find out most likely neither will be in it, but Li Mei will.

I can't tell if that's really ironic or really sad.

It's sad! Two of MKs best females gone! It's a bad thing!

XiahouDun84 Wrote: We've spent all this time debating Sonya and Kitana and now we find out most likely neither will be in it, but Li Mei will. I can't tell if that's really ironic or really sad.

yeah, it sucks really bad!!!! I hate that!!

Both.

Rumors are flying now that lamers Li Mei AND Tanya are both in - both maligned by series fans - instead of favorites like Kitana and Sonya.

Sad, sad day.