He doesn't care. He's too busy rolling around in the cash he's going to use for his next eyebrow waxing.

Sorry Vainqeer i have to disagree with you man,Deception is not crap unless you play it like Styles,Awesome O people who just master infinites and move before the round,but you know you can't let a few bad apples spoil the whole barrel man.
I'm guessing you can't play the game correctly or with all of due respect aren't very good at it,because so far everyone i faced online says that shit over the mic,this game sucks mean while they are horrible at the game.

MKF, I've seen you have this discussion with other players as well on the Deception forum and I didn't get entangled in it because I thought it was pretty useless. I have to point out one thing, however. While it can be proven, for a fact, that MKD's engine is severely lacking to make it a fighting game worthy of serious consideration, you have consequently said that is just an opinion. Fine, but now you present what is clearly your opinion... as a fact.
Don't you think that the mere fact that people are ABLE to dish out infinites so easily, or move (and even fight) before the round is already indicative of the rest of the game? Also, I have a feeling you don't really know what I meant by a 50/50 or 33/33/33 game. It would be like I held out two or three different cards to you, and you would need to guess which one I would pick. You'll never now for sure, because I whip out each card just as quickly and with the same frame rate. That's how MKD is. Luckily, most players are scrubs who are so bad that they even manage to fuck it up in that department and lose anyway... but as soon as somehow figures out the obvious flaws and glitches in this game (and it doesn't take rocket science to do so), all he needs to do is sit back and repeat the same three moves over and over in unpredictable patterns.
You may think I'm not good at this game (actually I'm pretty good at it), but that doesn't make the game any better.
VQ

LOL! I knew I had heard that name somewhere before... played that assclown the other night. As soon as I had a 1st rd win, "Oh, you're cheap." Let him win the 2nd, no comment. I win the 3rd, disconnect.
GRIN... will this ever get old?

Well,Vain i never said that my opinion was a fact,unless i actually say "This is a FACT and not my opinion,i never ever said and don't have to unless i must depending on the topic at hand.
I'm didn't mean to assume anything about your game play,i'm just telling you through all of my experience with this game,and it's alot trust me man,the only people who have ever said stuff like that has seriously sucked.If you're a good player then more power to you,and yes i know what 50/50's are the whole high game low game guessing and so forth it's old personally,i can see with certain characters how that can get tedious after a while,but does the 50/50 make me think the game is crap,no,you counter it.The only thing in this game imo that you can't get out of are infinites as far as i'm concerned.Play a guy named StylesIV on live and you will know what i mean.He's an absolute loser with no skill,he's a master of infinites,Just about everyone else that i played before plays the game right.Granted you will get your losers here and there that do nothing but abuse infinites,but just because a few players a scrubs doesn't mean i'm turning my back on MK.
If you have a passion for MK,then you will play it regardless.I can name you so many guys on this forum that have serious skill in this game it's insane man.I'm one of them.
Also like i said before man,every fighter has it's glitches it's like kiler said earlier i believe,he said that if a game has a glitch,infinite or whatever,people will exploit them.I have seen glitches in SF,tekken,VF,SC,so what,if the game is popular and fun to play,then you pass the glitches up,ignore them unless you're facing a guy that all he does is infinites like StylesIV.
Also you were saying that players use the same move over and over again.So what,Alexei,myslef and many others on here i'm sure can all agree that if the move doesn't lead into an infinite then there should be no problem.The 50/50's are fine by me honestly,they are tough sometimes i'll admit,but think about it,without the high low game in Deception,it would get boring after a while i feel.

I told you.The game is bad EVEN without the infinite combos.Infinite combos do not necessarily make an awful game,but in MK:D's case,they do of course.
I say this game is shit and I'm one of the best players out there.Everyone knows it.Besides that,if your opponent is not using free throws,effective 50/50 mix ups,and some other over-powered and appropriate moves,you're NOT playing the game at its most effective level.Whether you think that's "cheap" or not doesn't even matter.
Also like i said before man,every fighter has it's glitches it's like kiler said earlier i believe,he said that if a game has a glitch,infinite or whatever,people will exploit them.I have seen glitches in SF,tekken,VF,SC,so what,if the game is popular and fun to play,then you pass the glitches up,ignore them unless you're facing a guy that all he does is infinites like StylesIV.
Compare the glitches of any of the latest games you mentioned to MK:D's glitches.The glitches in every one of those games are used (unless it's a hardcore glitch that freezes the game or something).The glitches are part of the game and usually so are the infinite combos.However,MK:D's infinite combos MUST be banned in real tournaments because they are so damn pathetic.It's one of the worst things I've ever seen in fighting game.

I guess this game want tested enough before it came out. I hope the people at midway read these forums so they can learn from their mistakes so it never happens again. This way people like Black Horrible and a hundred others will have nothing to do buy play fair or fing the next game with the most glitches.

Ok in a nut shell,the 50/50s can stay just as long as it's fair game like a poke then a jab and so forth,i'm totally down with,however the infinites can go for good.I won't disagree over the infinites i can't stand them in any game.

Not this discussion again! As I stated in a post months ago, all MKD needs are throw escapes(to stop infinites), a more precise counter system with a better risk/reward, and a wake up game to thwart some of the 50/50's. But even with these the 50/50's will still exist just like they do in all other fighters that I religeously play. Take for example 3rd Strike, say I've been a throw whore the whole match and I constantly mix in the universal overheads on you, of course you can perform a wake up on me but what if I feint my next move and you bust out with a super or a dragon punch that leaves you wide open for my next attack and you better believe it's going to be painful! In a nutshell I just made you guess wrong just like you are saying is the basis of MKD's gameplay...HELLO!!! Thats the basis of all fighting game strategy. If you can predict your opponents every move neither of you would ever win and that does not old true in any fighter that I have ever played.
When was the last time you played Tekken and you KNEW what move your opponent was going to use next? Unless you are the "Ms Cleo" of fighting games you probably didn't. I know what you're saying about the overall speed of both the high and low attacks making for some difficult times but in reality it's not too much different for the other fighters with the exception of the missing components that I mentioned above. Please cease all this MKD is no more than a guessing game......guess what people, they all are.
Peace

If MK 7 has throw escapes they should make a limit with them like the breakers in Deception,because then there would be no point in throwing somebody.You might as well have no throws at all.Know what i mean.
I have no probelm with the throw escapes personally even though it's not an MK thing,but if they must,then please midway limit it,after all a person has to do something if his opponent is making love to the block button the whole match.

I very rarely get thrown. Once in awhile, but not as much as most. People try a lot so I expect it. Maybe that's why I lose to all those low attackers!

When was the last time you played Tekken and you KNEW what move your opponent was going to use next? Unless you are the "Ms Cleo" of fighting games you probably didn't. I know what you're saying about the overall speed of both the high and low attacks making for some difficult times but in reality it's not too much different for the other fighters with the exception of the missing components that I mentioned above. Please cease all this MKD is no more than a guessing game......guess what people, they all are.
I can't speak for SF:3rd Strike,but I can speak for Tekken.Yes,by the way,ALL fighting games have mix ups;that's how you win.However,MK:D's mix ups are just 50/50 mix ups.That's what the game comes down to.In Tekken (and VF,too) it's more than that.In these games you can actually side step throws and moves,use your parries (low,mid,high) and sometimes even interrupt some mix ups.This makes a huge difference as far as mind games are concerned.
In MK:D,all you really need is a throw,a mid move,and a good low if your character has one.That's why playing the top tiers in MK:D is just like playing rock/paper/scissors.So,if you want to claim that Tekken is just much of a guessing game as MK:D,you're very wrong,man.

I've never played Tekken... Do they have high and low moves and high/low blocking? Or is there just block and that blocks every move? How does it work? Why is skill more important than luck? I'm curious about the differences.

this is all im saying My Personal Opinion, this game is all about flow, how smooth u can be, when im playin at 110% smoothness and just totally in the zone, i can anticipate every t/s drop, every throw, every low poke, every high, mid, low attacks, every teleport, and the capitolize on that situtation. being in this zone is rare like 1/30 games lets just say.
yea sometimes im not in the zone and thats when the game sucks and im only in the zone so many times of the day, and sometimes i just will suck somedays at this game. But this game does take skill, its just how smooth u can play with a certain character for example whos gonna win. Champion tigers jade VS. Redsaleens bo rai cho, of course redsaleen, this game is all about matchups and smoothness, for a match up like doomsdays dairou VS. my liu kang, doomsday won that match unless i got lucky as fuck or was just at my 110% zoneage see what im saying? its all bout how smooth u can be and the matchup between two different characters, and like a matchup against my "cheapest" liu kang VS. the best and "cheapest" BRC i feel that my liu kang has destoyed everybody whos used BRC. just my opinion.

It's like in MK:D except that there is no block button,so high and mid moves can be blocked standing while lows must be blocked crouching.In Tekken,lows are usually slower and can be low-parried (every character has a low parry in Tekken 5 which is done by tapping d/f while timing it with your opponent's low move;after low-parrying,you get free damage) on reaction.Note that this doesn't mean that all lows are useless (some lows are even unparriable),it just means that the lows that juggle or give huge advantage are slower while the ones that do not fall in this category are faster,but give less advantage and do not act as juggle starters.In MK:D this is non-existant as low moves are too fast and create big advantages that ultimately lead into 50/50 mix ups.Big mistake on Boon's part.
Anyway,so in Tekken you must be careful while doing your low moves,but the opponent must be careful as well because you can delay your low and this might result in your opponent mis-timing his or her low parry.Obviously you can also add mid moves and throws into your game to create mind games meaning that this doesn't end up being a 50/50 mix up fest as MK:D is.
As for "skill" and "luck".It's true as Malone said that fighting games are all guessing games,but the responsiblity lies within the developers to give the game depth and more options,so the game doesn't become about guessing a mid move and an unblockable throw.MK:D can easily fix these problems by simply applying a wake up game,some kind of throw escapes,and the correct risk/reward ratio to moves.

Exactly M2dave, those are the same elements that I listed above in my earlier post. You see, the place where you and I differ on opinions is that I am more adept to playing 2D fighters whereareas you are more of a Tekken player than I'll ever be or even want to be at this point. The 2D fighter relies on quick move sets for both the highs and lows as well as the mids, and that's how MKD plays to a degree. Maybe that's why I'm not so hard on it for it's missing gameplay elements. To me the game is still evolving just like all the other series in the past. None of the games ever got it right on the first or second try, and some not even on the third. Yes the other series had better gameplay options but there were still a few glaring faults.
Enough of this topic, I've spoken my peace so I'll leave it at that. I'm not here to make any of you into 3rd Strike and MKD believers. Play this game if it makes you happy regardless of it's faults and if it's too faulty then make request for improvements on the "Future MK games" thread like I did and maybe you'll get them.....maybe.
Peace

EXACTLY... That's where the topic should be. These guys that love to badmouth MKD just lovvvve doing it in every forum. I don't go to many of them, but they've done it here and even on the EVO forum board. They're dorks with way too much time on their hands and when you point out to them that no one here wants to hear about their hate for the game because we like it and that this isn't the right place for such things, they say "Oh we're not trying to annnnnnnoy anyone, we're trying to make the next game betterrrrrr." Ummm yeah, I'm pretty sure Ed Boon and his posse don't go to the "FUTURE MK GAMES" thread, they go to the Xbox live forum and check out the "WHAT'S WITH THIS SCORPION SHIT" thread... Or maybe he tells his research consultants for MK7, "Okay gentlemen, we've received 3,538 letters from MKD players, 205,322 letters and emails with suggestions for the new game as well... We have people on the various MK boards collecting data from the future MK games boards just in case also, but ya know what... I honestly think we might get more info if we go to the EVO tournament page board! Their just might be some smart cookie dissing MKD on there that could really give us insight on what we can do better! Mikey! Johnston! Investigate that board stat!!!"
LOLOL!!!! I can't believe how much time people that hate MKD waste and how OFTEN they visit these boards. If I rented Tekken and didn't like it and hoped the next one was better, I'd be damned if I went to the Tekken EVO board and all the Tekken forums and waste my time dissing the game in hopes that someone sees my post at the game corp! 1 letter or email directly to them would be 100 times more effective. These people just love a debate. They want to prove that their game is better. Meanwhile they don't realize they're barking up a tree with MK fans in it that love the game the way it is and don't want to hear a word they have to say. We'll just put it in the right place and hope for the best. Anyway, you guys are Lahoooo saherrrrs! I love it...

The "dorks" who bash the game don't just do it to convince the developers.I remember when your ignorant-ass claimed that this game doesn't have any practical infinite combos and whoever gets caught in them "has no skill".Of course you never admitted you were wrong because some of your previous posts in some of those old threads were one of the stupidest things I've ever read.
You can buy Tekken 5 and bash it on a Tekken site.You can say that T5 Steve is too over-powered and only idiots will try to argue back because this is a fact.It's the same with infinite combos and 50/50 mix ups in MK:D,but yet some people think they can justify those.

I think you may have misinterpreted what I was saying. I said "I've never been caught in an infinite and after 6000+ games of playing and never having been caught in one, the people that are complaining about infinites either have to be pretty unskilled to get caught in one (Since I had played so much and never had been at that point,) or infinites must not exist." I not only mentioned that in the EVO board where you and 1 or 2 others decided would be your new MKD bashing grounds, but I also mentioned it here amongst the guys that I play all the time. RedSaleen told me to sign on and he'll show me what they are. I did, and he infinited me. From that point on I NEVER said there was no such thing. As a matter of fact, I said right here in this forum that I was wrong and that I had been infinited a couple times by Red. Before that happened, I said on the EVO board many times "I believe you that there are infinites, but I've never been, so they must not be THAT HUGE of a problem after so many games of playing." I still believe this statement is true. I still play a lot and I still have not been infinited during regular gameplay once. Damn man, for someone that hates this game or thinks it's so broken, you sure do check this board real often. I wasn't calling you a dork direclty, but it is a bit weird that you're on 24/7... Anyway, we all have our opinions, and like I said to you and truking in the past, I'm always down to debate about it, but you guys (like you did above) always have to try and insult someone's intelligence... I was dumb because i had never been infinited and doubted it happened much after so much gameplay of not getting it done to me? I'm stupid because I like the game and don't think it's as broken as you guys? If that's being unintelligent, then i'd rather be stupid, than be someone spending so much time on a forum board about a game that I don't like. Talk about intelligence!

I would not have insulted you if you hadn't called me a dork.I felt as if I had been spoken to.
Anyway,for the 1000000th time,I do NOT hate the game;I just think it needs some major improvements.Don't you agree?I'll bash anything if it sucks whether that be MK or Tekken doesn't make a difference to me.
You've never been infinite combo'ed on the X-Box?Man,just come to the PS2 and you'll see how many glitches and infinite combos this game has.Also,if your opponents don't do 50/50 mix ups and free throws,then your competition sucks.

Yeah, i was referring to the times you insulted my intelligence on the other board before this, not here... But it's cool. I hope they do make MK7 with less glitches. I know they can't make it glitchless because with so many moves and characters it's just so complex... There will always be something that will piss people off. Even if it's not as major, it will seem major since it's glitchIER than other moves. So no one will ever be 100% happy, but if they can work out the major bugs that would be cool. I still enjoy MKD though. People say it's a guessing game when you're one of the highest skilled players and that might be somewhat true, but I do disagree with that statement because of this... I play a lot, and it's not very often that I meet someone that I play and win 50% of the games. It's usually me winning almost all of them and when I play someone like BNR, Alexi09, or DomDizzle, it's pretty much the opposite. So, if the 50/50 guessing game/paper rock scissor theory was correct, i would be playing a lot of people that I beat, and that beat me around the same percentage of the time, and I honestly don't run into that... So I do think there is a lot of strategy and skill involved in this game. People find some flaws in it, and there always will be flaws in a game, and just rip it to shreds... It might not be as good as some people make it out to be, but it's definitely not as bad as many people make it out to be either.

No game is perfect ok!!!I don't give a shit if it's MK,Tekken,SF,SC,GG,VF,DOA,KI,or any other fighter.They all have glitches,flaws and so forth.I have played all of them.If you are a true fan of the series you love,you will play it and enjoy it regardless.
I agree with what kiler said referring to certain players that bash Deception CONSTANTLY,it's getting a little tideous quite frankly,now before anyone takes what i'm saying the wrong way,let me just say that i'm not insulting anybody,i'm just saying anyone on this site in general who feels that Deception is the only fighter with flaws,they are WRONG.Let me play the game that you like,Tekken,SC,KI,VF,DOA whatever.I'll find something wrong with it,just like you can find something wrong with MK.
As i said earlier,NO GAME IS PERFECT,and you know what sometimes is a good thing,like Malone said,some of these things make a game interesting and NOT boring.Just think about it,if every fighter was perfect like so many perfectionists on MKonline want it to be,it would get boring after a while,know what i mean??Hopefully somebody does.A perfect game would =less to NO disagreements and therefore having dull opinions of things.Everyone would agree all the time pretty much.
A game would get talked about for about a month or two then die,unlike most games that are close to perfect but not,therefore leading to disagreements,like this topic for example.Deception is a great game,Deception sucks,Deception broken,Deception is slower,Deception is too hard with combos,players play cheesy and so on.Well this is what i have to say to that,for everyone of those things that i listed above,i can say that about Tekken,SF,DOA,SC,and KI.Why can i say this,because i have played them all and everyone also has something called an opinion of something.If doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure that out.I have a friend at work that loves SF as much as i love MK,guess what,he tells me that he would do this infinite with Ryu,of coarse i had no fucking clue as to what infinite,but this kid knows his SF man.SC is a pure button masher bottom line,Tekken,you can't block...=huh???IMO thats dumb,i'm sorry for the tekken fans that read this but it is.If you want to make it realistic,then have the option to block.I also played it the other day at the movie theater before seeing The War of the Worlds,and guess what i could'nt block,couldn't side step.BTW,it was tekken tag just so you know.I didn't like it at all.
Also M2dave,i have side stepped throws in Deception,the only person that i can't seem to SS is Subby.
Honestly i feel that all of the fighters listed above are great games in their own right even with some of their flaws.
Also MK didn't take three times to get something right,MK 2 to MK 3 was a drastic change for some people,combos,run,(really tough infinites to pull off)increased speed.UMK3 was one of the best fighting games ever IMO.Really well balanced as a whole game,unless you bring up certain characters,then you might have disagreements,and if you could pull off any of the infinites,you were pretty much considered really talented.Unlike Deceptions infinites,UMK3 have some that are really,really tough to pull off.Where as in Deception you can master them in one day flat like scrubs like StylesIV and Awesome O among a few others.So Malone i agree with you in every aspect except for the part about MK taking 3 times to get something right,just my opinion man.

Dude,MK:D is the only 3D fighter with 20+ infinite combos.Does Tekken,VF,DoA,etc. have that many?Of course not.Do I need to go into wake up games,Okizeme,throw breakers,just frames,advanced movements,etc.I don't think so because MK:D hasn't even touched on these things.
Yes,every game has flaws and this and that,but MK:D has the most out of the recent 3D fighting games.That's why it's not played real competitively as other fighting games and this shows you how much the MK community is behind from other fighting game communities.
And trust me,man,your reasons as to why some of those games have as much flaws as MK:D is ridiculous.Don't judge these games if you don't play them competitively.SC a button masher?Tekken has no block?Excuse me,but what the fuck are you talking about?
I could go on and on criticising your post,but I'm tired of repeating myself.MK:D is just a bad game and its inferior to Tekken,VF,DoA,etc. GAMEPLAY wise.How could you know,though?You think Tekken has no block and SC is button masher...

MK offers more IMO man.MK is not behind man,10 years ago it started and yet here it is again,no other fighter can vouch for that.