Whoever keeps saying we are abusing iraqi's in those photos and we reap what we sew can please shut the hell up now.

It's ok for Iraqi's to dance in the street while dragging our dead soldiers? It's ok to burn our soldiers and hang them from a bridge and take pictures?? It's ok for them to kill a journalist and now a construction worker on film???

And quit calling it 'abuse'. There is no proof of any abuse, in any of the pictures. Notice the one with the electrical cords, they aren't even plugged in.

Shut the hell up

blade-tsung Wrote: Whoever keeps saying we are abusing iraqi's in those photos and we reap what we sew can please shut the hell up now. It's ok for Iraqi's to dance in the street while dragging our dead soldiers? It's ok to burn our soldiers and hang them from a bridge and take pictures?? It's ok for them to kill a journalist and now a construction worker on film??? And quit calling it 'abuse'. There is no proof of any abuse, in any of the pictures. Notice the one with the electrical cords, they aren't even plugged in. Shut the hell up

Of course none of that shit is OK, it's horrific and shouldn't have happened.

It has nothing to do with reaping what they sew (obviously the way they reacted was very wrong), but it's common sense that treating the Iraqi prisoners in the way they were treated would piss off a majority of the Arab world (atleast it should've been common sense). There was no point to it, and look at the result - An innocent man trying to help rebuild Iraq was killed. Was humiliating a few prisoners worth a human life? Of course not, but they (the US soldiers involved) should've known damned well that the Iraqi's would've seen it as worth it. No matter which way you look at it, the blood is on the hands of the American soldiers in that prison. If they hadn't of done what they did, this wouldn't have happened. And abuse doesn't have to mean physical abuse, either. Degrading them in the worst way possible (atleast to them) is very much a form of abuse.

Now... I'm not some Iraq loving extremist. I find the treatment of women in their culture absolutely disgraceful, and almost everything they believe in goes against virtually everything I believe in. I'm not picking sides here, but try to see it this way - The US soldiers shouldn't have done what they did. Not because the prisoners didn't deserve it, if I was being perfectly honest I think they did deserve that sort of treatment (just for their treatment of women alone, not to mention all the killing). They shouldn't have done it because the reprocussions were bound to be horrible and do nothing but cause even more problems in a place that sure like hell doesn't need any more problems. Making things worse isn't helping any, not that I needed to point out such an obvious fact or anything...

I don't really want to be getting into a huge debate on my 2nd day back, so I'll leave it at that.

REPTILEWINS Wrote: $anitariuM Wrote: I don't see how you could preach that Tao shit after watching this video. That is one of the most unsettling things I have ever watched... words can't describe what i'm feeling righ tnow. Maybe its because i'm just a patriot, but i DARE you to watch that video and say you don't feel the slightest inkling to make them pay for the atrocities that they have committed. This man was a NON COMBATANT. He wan't even a government employed citizen. He was simply a free roaming entrepeneur that was brutally slaughtered. Are you retarded? Do you know how many Iraqi people Americans killed over there. Not defending these actions by far but the Americans are no better when it comes to what they do over in Iraq. The only difference is they don't videotape it. Instead they get high and take photo's of *NON COMBATANTS* being tortured. Don't think they're so innocent simply because of what you read or see on CNN. They do alot of worser things over there. Now don't get me wrong, I'm all for "liberation" (As Bush likes to call it) but what Americans are doing over there doesen't even come close. Unless killing innocents and pumping their country's oil is your definition of liberation. In both cases, the ends don't justify the means. But I'm sorry to say that you cannot defend America's actions over these when they're just as bad...if not worse.

You're absolutely right, cold kombatant and blade tsung do you really believe this is all just one sided? Americans do this kind of crap over there aswell, you may not see it, but that's simply because stations like CNN do not report on it(rather biased if you ask me)

D_B errrrr should I say Forevergrey ;), I was referring to that other goon, not u buddy. Hope u didn't take that personal. You brought up some good points tho.

Manny I understand it's not one sided, and that was my point. We are too tolerent as it is with this whole mess. We let them do whatever they want on film but the minute we put something on film we're animals. And ours might not even be real.

I see NO end to this hot mess in site, and I have no idea what we need to do to end it, but something must be done.

blade-tsung Wrote: D_B errrrr should I say Forevergrey ;), I was referring to that other goon, not u buddy. Hope u didn't take that personal. You brought up some good points tho. Manny I understand it's not one sided, and that was my point. We are too tolerent as it is with this whole mess. We let them do whatever they want on film but the minute we put something on film we're animals. And ours might not even be real. I see NO end to this hot mess in site, and I have no idea what we need to do to end it, but something must be done.

Oh, don't worry about that man, I didn't think the comments were directed at me, but I commented anyways because I had my $0.02 to put in. You know me by now dude, if I have something to say I always say it, lol.

No harm done, the day that we can't have a mature discussion without it turning into a flamewar is the day I shoot myself

Edit - And I'm afraid I agree with you on the last point, I can't see an end to this either. If it does end, it will be generations from now and we wont be alive to see it. I have no idea what it will take either, but something has to be figured out before more innocent lives are lost... Unfortunately though, there's no hope of that.

I am sickened. This was ridiculous. I see no way that would be considered equal. To kill a non-combatant to get back at us was uncalled for. As for the prisoners being non-combatants that's not true. How are they non-combatants when they are PRISONERS OF FUCKING WAR!!!!! I kust can''t understand how people can feel bad for them when worse is done to us! I DO NOT condone what went on in the prisons over in Iraq but I sure as hell don't condone what was done to someone who was trying to help the people over there!

marine_warrior Wrote: I am sickened. This was ridiculous. I see no way that would be considered equal. To kill a non-combatant to get back at us was uncalled for. As for the prisoners being non-combatants that's not true. How are they non-combatants when they are PRISONERS OF FUCKING WAR!!!!! I kust can''t understand how people can feel bad for them when worse is done to us! I DO NOT condone what went on in the prisons over in Iraq but I sure as hell don't condone what was done to someone who was trying to help the people over there!

I agree 100% I feel those who were responsible for the treatment of these prisoners deserve to be punished as the military sees fit. With the pictures that have been shown so far, I see the prisoners being humiliated severely, but I didn't see any war crimes. What they did was wrong and we should fall on our sword for that, but until further pictures are shown, that should be the extent of our copability. Those solders did wrong and they should be punished and measures should be taken to see to it that such lack of discipline never occurs again.

There's is no way what happened to that man was equal to what happened to those prisoners!

The problem I see is that when this whole thing started, in regards to people taking extreme measures to express their distain for the U.S., we didn't put our foot down and say enough right off the bat. It was and is fine as I see it to ask of the populus to help with finding those who would de-rail the effort to reconstruct the country, but with some not entirly trustfull of us, that isn't happening as much as we'd like.

We know who the one's that are causing trouble are and the one's who aren't. We should encourage those who want to help us to help us and go hard after the one's who want to kill us. It's obvious that we can't negotiate with those who killed than guy, so I really have no simpathy for those people. But we can't blow up an entire country to get to them.

C'est tout!

Le Dragon Fantome

I believe in eye for an eye, not arm for an eye. Simply find the ones who did the killing, and slit their throats for it.

Out of curiosity, and the fact that I am unwilling to watch the video myself...how long did it take?

Shadaloo Wrote: I believe in eye for an eye, not arm for an eye. Simply find the ones who did the killing, and slit their throats for it. Out of curiosity, and the fact that I am unwilling to watch the video myself...how long did it take?

I just saw the video and it's quite disturbing. The video I saw lasts +5mins, but the actual beheading takes 1-2mins with about 3mins of talking before it happens. I have now seen both the US treatment of the Iraqi prisoners, and the Iraqi's retaliation. Both sicken me, but to respond by cutting off person's head while their alive is too much - and somethng should be done. I don't know what, but knowing the US this conflict is only going to get worse before it gets better.

marine_warrior Wrote: I am sickened. This was ridiculous. I see no way that would be considered equal. To kill a non-combatant to get back at us was uncalled for. As for the prisoners being non-combatants that's not true. How are they non-combatants when they are PRISONERS OF FUCKING WAR!!!!! I kust can''t understand how people can feel bad for them when worse is done to us! I DO NOT condone what went on in the prisons over in Iraq but I sure as hell don't condone what was done to someone who was trying to help the people over there!

No, only SOME were prisoners of war. Many of them were civilians arrested by accident.

I can't even see the video because of my 14.4 modem, but I've had it described to me on other boards in great detal.

All you liberal pussies who were bitching about us making Iraqi prisoners walk about nude can offically shut the hell up. We wish that's all those fuckheads were doing to our guys.

Any Americans over in Iraq, wether they're fighting or rebuilding need to be in large groups and armed to the teeth. And just for good measure and instant gratification we also need to sniff out some of the enemy and do likewise to them. I'm all for public burnings on tape OUR prisoners.

I'd enlist right now if I had the guarentee that I'd get to go over there right now with my gun and fuck those assholes up.

You gotta admit that looks like something straight out of mortal kombat. He even held the seperated head up in the end heh. FATALITY!

Man thats fucked up for you to joke about it.

phantomdeath Wrote: You gotta admit that looks like something straight out of mortal kombat. He even held the seperated head up in the end heh. FATALITY!

sub-zeromasta Wrote: Man thats fucked up for you to joke about it. phantomdeath Wrote: You gotta admit that looks like something straight out of mortal kombat. He even held the seperated head up in the end heh. FATALITY!

i agree you really should think before you post

Who me? Im just a koopa kid. Heh. Smirks:::

Firstly I'd like to get this off my chest, phatomdeath,..( frankly, i know you were seeking negative attention with your disgusting comparisons, but none the less...) you are a sick, and heartless little piece of shit!!! Your disreguard for human life is appauling and not the least bit amusing. Someone needs to video tape your head being chopped off so some dumbass piece of shit (much like yourself) can watch it and make some sick comments/jokes about it... do everyone a favor and just die, so tax payers are spared in the future from paying for your padded room, or jail ceil.

Secondly, let me explain something to you guys on here. I am by all means not justifying what happend to the Iraq prisoners or nick berg, but I dont think most of you are aware that over 10 (so far) of those prisoners (the iraqs) were beaten to death by american soliders, I saw the pics of it (thier bodies wrapped in cling film, black and blue, it was horrible), it was'nt just simple acts of sex and humaliation it was violent and murderous. Violence creates violence.. I was just waiting for the other side to react after I heard about the sex photo's being taken, which they did and in a most sickly mind blistering way possible. It did'nt matter weither Nick berg was a solider or civilian, he became a symbal, his death was a means to show us americans, the hate and disrespect they (terriost and whomever) feel for our country, much like the respect shown to them from our side. violence will contiue until man has either made peace or destroyed himself. Weither it be a regilous war or for profit (cough cough *oil* cough cough).. everyone is quick to say kill those bastards in Iraq, and in Iraq they are saying the samething about the usa, Our dear president bush and many other Officals from both sides , have opened a doorway, and much like a break out of some lethal diease, alot more people (on both sides) are going to die because of this.

phantomdeath Wrote: Who me? Im just a koopa kid. Heh. Smirks:::

Bakayarou!

GD

RIP. My deepest condolences for his family.

oolada77 Wrote: Secondly, let me explain something to you guys on here. I am by all means not justifying what happend to the Iraq prisoners or nick berg, but I dont think most of you are aware that over 10 (so far) of those prisoners (the iraqs) were beaten to death by american soliders, I saw the pics of it (thier bodies wrapped in cling film, black and blue, it was horrible), it was'nt just simple acts of sex and humaliation it was violent and murderous. Violence creates violence.. I was just waiting for the other side to react after I heard about the sex photo's being taken, which they did and in a most sickly mind blistering way possible. It did'nt matter weither Nick berg was a solider or civilian, he became a symbal, his death was a means to show us americans, the hate and disrespect they (terriost and whomever) feel for our country, much like the respect shown to them from our side. violence will contiue until man has either made peace or destroyed himself. Weither it be a regilous war or for profit (cough cough *oil* cough cough).. everyone is quick to say kill those bastards in Iraq, and in Iraq they are saying the samething about the usa, Our dear president bush and many other Officals from both sides , have opened a doorway, and much like a break out of some lethal diease, alot more people (on both sides) are going to die because of this.

The most sensible post I've read here so far.

Better be heartless then headless.

"Better be heartless than headless"?

Please. *Shaking my head*...your stupidity is not even worth my time and effort to post.

phantomdeath Wrote: Better be heartless then headless.

phantomdeath, I am not against you, but still, shut the hell up. As others have said, don't make jokes about this. It is a serious matter.

Sheesh don't lose your heads... Faggots. LOL.

phantomdeath Wrote: Better be heartless then headless.

Words cannot describe the level of stupidity you have reached.... as for the Berg family I give them my blessings

Yeah, man. Don't joke about this stuff. It's no laughing matter. How would you feel if that were your family member?

Not so funny, huh?