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DrCube
05/26/2006 07:05 PM (UTC)
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1. McKellen > all.

2. Grow the fuck up.
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majindragon
05/26/2006 07:07 PM (UTC)
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DrCube Wrote:
1. McKellen > all.

2. Grow the fuck up.


1. Your opinion.

2. Ease the fuck up.
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foahchon
05/26/2006 07:41 PM (UTC)
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DrCube Wrote:
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Really though, what's the big deal? It's all just sex.


Unfortunately, this is the sort of attitude is one of the reasons why there are so many venereal epidemics, not to mention people being unable to forge stable relationships.


Unless you're saying there's a connection between homosexuality and vd, your reply makes no sense. All I was saying was that the difference between straight and gay sex is purely mechanical. As long as the emotions are the same and all parties involved want to participate, hetero and homo sex are virtually the same thing.

Also, stable relationships are boring.


It seemed to me you were trivializing sex into something that's "no big deal."

Plus, boring though they may be, they're also necessary.
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nobrainer
05/26/2006 07:45 PM (UTC)
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Sex sucks. Don't listen to the demons in your crotch! Repent! Repent!tongue
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Orionspentagram
05/26/2006 08:12 PM (UTC)
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Im very appreciative that many of you took the time to address this topic. I'm just intrigued by the way people think about the homosexual population (myslef included) as for you who people who many call "bigots" I really dont care what you think, you dont have to like homosexuality and you may totally disagree with it but if the person is really cool, that shouldn't stop you from liking him or her. Anywho just interesting to hear peoples opinions. Most people at first meeting me think I'm str8. I suppsoe thats why I have so many friends. Because I have alot of friends and im not steryotyped as the typical "gay". W/e jsut be who you are I dont act any different because I'm gay. But yep thats what I got to say. See ya later peoples.tongue
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05/26/2006 09:16 PM (UTC)
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The problem with your argument is that supposedly, homosexuality is caused by a "mixup" of sorts on a biological level...a naturally-occuring biological level.


To me that theory is just an assumption to allow for tolerance.

About the 'it doesn't affect you' posts, well I don't like homosexuality being thrust in my face. I think it is wrong and immoral, and having it paraded around the media and society in an attempt to get me to 'accept' it is an infringment on my freedom of choice.
Don't force your beliefs on me trying to justify your choice. That in itself is a measure of your insecurity, meaning you yourself know it's wrong, and are trying to kid yourself into making it right. If you knew it was right, you wouldn't care about making it appear right in societal consiousness, you wouldn't care.

I also don't like double standards in today's world. The t-shirts was a prime example of this. It's ok for one to profess their beliefs, but it's come to the point where those against it are belittled as bigots.
And please don't bring up racial notions of old, how they were incorrect even though they were believed. Differing race is naturaly occuring and part of human genetics, it is natural and right - have you seen the children of parents of differing racial backgrounds? Their offspring often turn out to be the best looking people.

And majindragon, I agree with you on every level.
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Makes you wonder if people hadn't thrust the "gays are wrong" message in the homosexual communitie's face, said community wouldn't HAVE to parade their belief that it is right.

Quite hypocritical, actually. If everyone would leave everyone BE, there wouldn't be an issue either way.
what shingo said and

how long has hetrosexuals thrown their "straightness" in my face?

watch every tv show, go to the movies, park, resturants, mall and so many other places and see hetro folks kissing, gropping, holding hands and stuff like that.
the media talking about how billy bob and mary sue got married today.
Now thats throwing it in my face, every day for all 27 years of my life.

how is the media shoving "gayness" in your face?

there was but one tv show that had gay leads (even tho the actors themselves are str8, and the show has run its course).

1 big time movie. not much else.

now are you saying because you were walking in the mall and you seen 2 guys holding hands, is that throwing it in your face? WTF?? what about those 500 str8 couples to that ONE gay couple.


my point is, their is no parading of gayness. its just an issuse that most evolved human beings are getting over w/.
which is why your seeing more of it on public.



you know what, my bad i should have stop paying attention after reading this

"have you seen the children of parents of differing racial backgrounds? Their offspring often turn out to be the best looking people."

your full of sterotypes and postulation myself along w/ many others are wasting their time even reading your posts.


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I think it's kind of irritating when people feel the need to be so flamboyantly over-expressive with their sexuality and just shove it in your face. Well, guess what; my left thumbnail is slightly longer than my right.
I dislike it when gay people actually announce that they are gay in such random ways and treat it like a big issue, of course it's nowhere near as bad as the intolerance itself, but I feel it only helps harbour it.

I don't go around telling people "Hi, my name's Roger, and I'm straight."* If I did, people would be giving me funny looks.



*I don't call myself straight anyway, because I feel it implies that gays are "bent". Nor am I called "Roger", but you get the point.


kinda funny, i have yet to meet a gay guy that has ever done that. i myself have never done that. BUT its assumed that every one is str8. THIS IS WHY SOME FOLKS FEEL THE NEED TO SHARE IT. if we werent assumed "str8" then no one would ever feel compelled to do so. understand now?




nobrainer Wrote:
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Not all gay people are like that.


Dan seems to be (no offence, correct me if you want, but is it really necessary to put "Male - Gay" in your profile?)
why is my being funny being compared to being flamboyant?

i stated that im gay so others who may be gay themselves would go "oh how kool hes gay like myself". kinda like saying

"hi my name is dan and i like Mortal kombat"

dude "no way"
dan "way"
dude "i love mortal kombat too"
dan "fucking awesome, lets discuss"



understand?

again we are all assumed straight. that why i felt compelled to share that i was gay. if i didnt do that i prolly wouldnt have gotten to know a bunch of folks on this site.



wouldnt you be just a little pissed if, you met this girl and she was so pretty in your eyes.
well you talk w/ her often, see her every day. she enjoys your company, she enjoys yours. your main purpose to get close to this girl was to ask her out and possibly start dating.
you have fallen in love, you then ask if she'd go on a date w/ you, she says "omg, i dont see you like that, im gay".
your crushed, you just wasted a month of your life trying to get w/ this girl and shes gay. you could have been spared of heart ache if she had just let you know she was gay.

if only every one wasnt assumed straight. we wouldnt feel the need to share it.
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05/27/2006 12:01 AM (UTC)
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"wouldnt you be just a little pissed if, you met this girl and she was so pretty in your eyes.
well you talk w/ her often, see her every day. she enjoys your company, she enjoys yours. your main purpose to get close to this girl was to ask her out and possibly start dating.
you have fallen in love, you then ask if she'd go on a date w/ you, she says "omg, i dont see you like that, im gay".
your crushed, you just wasted a month of your life trying to get w/ this girl and shes gay. you could have been spared of heart ache if she had just let you know she was gay."
I don't date. I'm an asexual, antisocial, autistic recluse, but your point is made.
Glad you were civil about it, everything you said makes sense.
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05/27/2006 12:36 AM (UTC)
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wouldnt you be just a little pissed if, you met this girl and she was so pretty in your eyes.
well you talk w/ her often, see her every day. she enjoys your company, she enjoys yours. your main purpose to get close to this girl was to ask her out and possibly start dating.
you have fallen in love, you then ask if she'd go on a date w/ you, she says "omg, i dont see you like that, im gay".
your crushed, you just wasted a month of your life trying to get w/ this girl and shes gay. you could have been spared of heart ache if she had just let you know she was gay.

That atcually did happen to a female friend of mine, except that she invested three months into getting the courage to ask him out on a date; when she finally got him alone and asked him to go with her for a cup of coffee, he replied "only if we go as friends because I'm gay."
I know she kicked herself really hard (a. k. a. got smashed after that).
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05/27/2006 12:47 AM (UTC)
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foahchon Wrote:

It seemed to me you were trivializing sex into something that's "no big deal."


You thought wrong. Frankly, that didn't suprise me.




foahchon Wrote:

Plus, boring though they may be, they're also necessary.


Not really. Were just led to believe they are.
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Kyobu
05/27/2006 01:08 AM (UTC)
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6 pages in just over a day. Damn.
Discrimination and prejudice against anyone is pathetic. That should pretty much explain my views.
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05/27/2006 01:26 AM (UTC)
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Kyobu Wrote:
6 pages in just over a day. Damn.


Discrimination and prejudice against anyone is pathetic. That should pretty much explain my views.



But we've got to discriminate against the cannibals.
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Kyobu
05/27/2006 01:28 AM (UTC)
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Soz cannibal.
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krsx66
05/27/2006 02:40 AM (UTC)
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Orionspentagram Wrote:
you dont have to like homosexuality and you may totally disagree with it but if the person is really cool, that shouldn't stop you from liking him or her.


See, you are confusing the issue, this is the misconception the majority who preach advocacy of homosexuality have.
I have nothing against individuals, the people themselves. I have contempt for the choice they've made, and the fact that they cannot see it is not right, on both moral and physical grounds.
No one bar Shingo has bothered to address majin and myself's argument that same-sex sex is not biologically correct. That male and female genitalia are designed specificaly to work together, and together only - there is no contesting that fact.
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05/27/2006 03:05 AM (UTC)
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majindragon Wrote:
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I've never understood why the hell anyone would be against it. Two homosexual people going out and doing there thing has absoultely no effect on you and it shouldn't. Let them be


Possibly one of the smartest posts in the whole damn thread.


It couldn't be the whole thread, it had to be the whole 'damn' thread...nice emphasis, guess you really did like it.

The thread didn't ask about the effects it has on a person, just whether they're for or against it. Even then, if I was in a club dancing and sipping my Jesus Juice(TM) and some random homo came and tapped me on the ass, then it would affect me. Likely? Maybe, maybe not. Possible? Yes.



That's no different then if some girl who you thought was the fugliest person ever tapped you in the ass. You're not attracted to them. And I dont see how you could be against something that has no effect on you whatsoever.
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foahchon
05/27/2006 03:13 AM (UTC)
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DrCube Wrote:
You thought wrong. Frankly, that didn't suprise me.


Well, I confess I'm 50/50 with people who speak ambiguously.

DrCube Wrote:
Not really. Were just led to believe they are.


Stable relationships are necessary for stable families. Unless, of course, you want to live with a miserable spouse and miserable children, I guess that's your prerogative.
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majindragon
05/27/2006 03:21 AM (UTC)
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It's not gay people I dislike so strongly, but the 'gayness' itself.


krsx66 Wrote:
I have nothing against individuals, the people themselves. I have contempt for the choice they've made, and the fact that they cannot see it is not right, on both moral and physical grounds.


Exactly.

krsx66 Wrote:<
No one bar Shingo has bothered to address majin and myself's argument that same-sex sex is not biologically correct. That male and female genitalia are designed specificaly to work together, and together only - there is no contesting that fact.


It's useless. We keep providing proof and reasons to justify our standpoints, and yet all the homosexuals have to say is (on a basic, blunt level) "If it feels good, go ahead and do it." Whether it does or doesn't bother me (and it does) isn't the issue, but the thread question that was asked. Just about no homos have provided any clear and concise reasons beyond that.
Morons and hedonists. I'm done, I'll respond if needed.
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05/27/2006 03:28 AM (UTC)
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Against!


Are you one of the twelve-year old homophobes I was talking about or do you have another reason?
It is wrong men marry women, women marry men. Two men should not fornicate together and neither should women. If every one did that the human race would go extinct, like reptiletongue
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05/27/2006 03:38 AM (UTC)
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krsx66 Wrote:
Orionspentagram Wrote:
you dont have to like homosexuality and you may totally disagree with it but if the person is really cool, that shouldn't stop you from liking him or her.


See, you are confusing the issue, this is the misconception the majority who preach advocacy of homosexuality have.
I have nothing against individuals, the people themselves. I have contempt for the choice they've made, and the fact that they cannot see it is not right, on both moral and physical grounds. .

Please explain why you think homosexuality is a choice. I honestly find it dispicable that anyone who isn't gay--and thus would have no way of really knowing first-hand--would make such an assumption.

I don't know if people are actually born gay, but there's no doubt in my mind that calling homosexuality a choice is at best a grievous oversimplification. Why would any rational person make such a choice when so much stigma is attached to it?

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No one bar Shingo has bothered to address majin and myself's argument that same-sex sex is not biologically correct. That male and female genitalia are designed specificaly to work together, and together only - there is no contesting that fact.

Why does it matter whether or not it's "biologically correct"? Oral sex between a straight couple certainly isn't biologically correct, but I don't know many straight people who haven't either given or received it. Even in traditional sex, the penis wasn't designed to be covered by a condom; do you have an objection to the use of condoms? Suppose I never want to have children, but my girlfriend and I have an overwhelming desire to express our love sexually. Would you find it morally wrong for us to use a condom? If not, how is that any different from homosexuality? Granted, the parts are naturally designed to fit, but it's still subverting nature by preventing conception.
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05/27/2006 03:43 AM (UTC)
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Morons and hedonists. I'm done, I'll respond if needed.

That line just wasted your whole argument and wasn't needed for you to state your opinion.
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05/27/2006 03:45 AM (UTC)
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I get a skull for saying moron, yet you have people like Nikodemus getting away with intentional antagonism.
Goddamn Jerrod, you were just waiting for a chance eh? Whatever helps you sleep at night. wink
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05/27/2006 03:47 AM (UTC)
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Look up one post above the one you just made. In case you forgot, name-calling is not tolerated here and gets skulls for it.
Antagonism happens, get over it; he's not flaming you, you shouldn't flame him. You shouldn't even let the antagonising get to you the way it does.
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05/27/2006 03:52 AM (UTC)
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Look up one post above the one you just made. In case you forgot, name-calling is not tolerated here and gets skulls for it.
Antagonism happens, get over it; he's not flaming you, you shouldn't flame him. You shouldn't even let the antagonising get to you the way it does.

Look up partisan in the dictionary, and I swear it'll have a nice headshot of you.

The skulls don't bother me, this website isn't life or death to me. It's the principles of why that do. At least you said why. Delete this if you wish(that's what you do), I'll know you read it. I'm done.
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05/27/2006 04:12 AM (UTC)
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coltess Wrote:
Two men should not fornicate together and neither should women. If every one did that the human race would go extinct, like reptiletongue

People should be more concerned about the opposite scenario. At its current growth rate, the earth can't sustain can't sustain the human population for more than another century. Personally, I've decided never to have children on ethical grounds: I don't believe the creation of another human being--especially in America, with our gluttonous per capita consumption rates--can be justified. If you honestly think such a decision is going to contribute to the extinction of the human race, you are seriously deluded; if anything, a moderately large number of people refraining from procreation will make the human population more sustainable, and improve the overall quality of life.
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05/27/2006 04:14 AM (UTC)
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majindragon Wrote:
Jerrod Wrote:
Look up one post above the one you just made. In case you forgot, name-calling is not tolerated here and gets skulls for it.
Antagonism happens, get over it; he's not flaming you, you shouldn't flame him. You shouldn't even let the antagonising get to you the way it does.

Look up partisan in the dictionary, and I swear it'll have a nice headshot of you.

The skulls don't bother me, this website isn't life or death to me. It's the principles of why that do. At least you said why. Delete this if you wish(that's what you do), I'll know you read it. I'm done.


Drop it Majin, the skull was deserved. Anymore side conversations will be skulled. Keep this respectful, and on topic.
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05/27/2006 04:28 AM (UTC)
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Drop it Majin, the skull was deserved. Anymore side conversations will be skulled. Keep this respectful, and on topic.




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